Wild Animal Fights

Cool video! The gorillas are big but they seem kind of lazy.

i love siberian tigers but in a real fight a gorilla would win. even though i like tigers i know gorilla could own them anyday

I love 50 cent and gorillas but a tiger would be able to kill a gorilla easy since gorillas cant even bite things. Tigerlover is a lier!!1!

wow nice racial slur there gorilla king... your mother must be really proud you noob

its not a racial slur im balck you homo stop hating and admit defeat

Then don't hate a brother for thinking that a tiger would win (Scientists did a test and it was proven true!!!)

Tigers would win your all dumbasses

wow stop fighting guys, we all know that a gorilla would own a tiger. The gorilla's incredible strength and large teeth, not to mention it's aggresiveness, would scare the tiger off before it could do anything. 
 
 
 
-Gorilla King (one and only)

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yeah yours* lol

LOOK AT THE WEBSITE A TIGER WINS NOW SUCK UP YOU STUPID KIDS

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The gorillas would win because the gorila would throw a punch at the tiger and the tiger would dodge the punch and go at the back of the gorilla.This gives the tiger a chance to pounce at the neck of the gorila.With the tiger on the gorilla`s neck the gorilla could grab the tiger with it`s arms and throw it to the ground.With the tiger not able to get up the gorilla would bite the tigers neck kill it.

If the Gorilla struck the Tiger it could easily crush its skull. The fight could go either way.

the gorilla would win because brains always beat bronze

ty J period, i agree. 
it could go either way. there is no one answer. 
the gorilla has enough strength and power to kill a tiger if it gets ahold of it or strikes it, while the tiger could easily kill the gorilla if it bit his neck. this is realistically possible b/c the tiger is so fast and agile. 
what i know for sure is the ape will not be the one doing the biting, LOL at anand. 
i could also see neither one of the animals wanting to get into a fight with the other.

The tiger is the obvious victor. However we must not forget both animals would probably have mortal wounds.

tiger ar so strong a flexible more then gorrillas

Ugh!! CamB and J Period are the only reasonable folks here.  
 
This fight has a good chance of going either way for sure.  
 
For one, gorilla's usually hang out in groups and an attacking Tiger would be gang raped in such a case.  
 
However, in a 1 on 1 fight to the death (Pit Battle style) -- I believe a Tiger's agility would allow it victory. A pouncing Tiger would gut the crap out of a poor gorilla's jugulars before it knew what hit it. IF the gorilla could get ahold of it, and crush it, before the Tiger could rip it to shreds, then the gorilla would win.  
 
Don't doubt that both of these animals would be equally ferocious and the actual fight (after gesturing and taunting) would last less than 3 seconds.

1st polar bear 
 
2nd siberian tiger,gryzlly bear 
 
4th Barbary Lion 
 

Yeah, there is no definitive anwser. If tigers prey on asian elephants some of the times I'm sure a sneak attack on the gorilla's back would end the fight right away. But the gorilla can flip a family sedan with its arms so I'm sure it could crush the tiger if it got a hold on it.

tiger, stronger, heavier, better armed, more aggressive, faster, more agile, with better night vision.

Easily the most fierce of all animal. Winner against any foe!

The Tiger that is...

A silverback gorilla would tear a tiger to shreds. Stronger arms, stronger jaw, heavier, smarter. Win.

Siberian Tiger can weight 900 pounds this kind of Tiger is able to kill a bear easily. So no question the Tiger would own a dumb ape.

Hey Al, 
 
Great Debate; however, I think you should know that your Animal facts are not consistent with the scientific community's.  
 
The link you have posted for the gorilla is to National Geographic's profile on the Lowland Gorilla. The Lowland subspecies is smaller, and does not mature into a Silverback. The African Silverback Mountain Gorilla is the largest subspecies, and its height and weight respectively are 4 to 6 ft and 300 to 485 lbs. In addition to grossly overestimating the size of the Silverback Gorilla, the Siberian Tiger's mean size is slightly larger than as you've described. 
 
The Tiger would destroy the Gorilla.

I would have to say a siberian tiger would win in most cases.I mean face it, they are trained killers. Silverbacks are vey strong but how would that play out when they have a feline the same size if not heavier in weight with deadly weapons (4in canines and 3in claws) charging with a bad temper? Lets not forget that tigers aren't weak either.

The tiger is a fucking coward! The gorilla would scare him away, the only time a tiger would stay and fight is if it was starving to death, and I doubt that he would find the gorilla as a valuable food source.

OWNAGE BY TIGERS!!!!!!!!!

"Siberian Tiger can weight 900 pounds this kind of Tiger is able to kill a bear easily. So no question the Tiger would own a dumb ape" 
 
 
 
Yeah..I've never seen or heard of a 900 lb Siberian Tiger that wasn't fat! A healthy Siberian Tiger tips the scale at 650 lbs, and I think it's funny as hell that you referred to the gorilla as a "Dumb Ape" they're one of the smartest animals in the animal kingdom, the tiger on the other hand is fucking stupid, simply because he's a cat. 
 
 
 
You can tell I'm a dog lover.

It wouldn't even be a fight. Once the posturing was over, the tiger would pounce on the gorilla and from then on it'd just be a mauling. Seriously, I can't believe how many idiots think that a gorilla would win or even that the fight would be close. A gorilla wouldn't even have a chance against a similarly sized tiger due to the agility and speed deficit. How the hell would it win against a tiger much larger than it? OK, maybe there's a one in a million chance that the gorilla would win because the tiger had a congenital heart defect or bit off the gorilla's hand and choked on it, something like that.

What about King Kong? He was a bad motherfucker. Aside from King Kong, I don't think any other gorilla could whip a siberian tiger. Gorilla's have insane strength and their bite force is actually about equal to a tiger's. It has to be because they can demolish a 4 inch diameter bamboo stalk like a twizzler. Their canine teeth are no joke. But the tiger's got those claws, same bite strenght, bigger mouth, longer canines. My money is on the tiger unless it's King Kong.

Yeah, but we're not talking about King Kong, we're talking about a gorilla. The tiger might win if he chose to fight, but the gorilla will show way more aggression and the tiger's gonna flee, unless the tiger was starving, that's how it would happen, how many times do I gotta say this shit?

Kenny, the whole idea of this site is to have a hyperthetical debate over animals fighting each other so your point is irrelevant. Therefore if they did fight there is not a single doubt that the Siberain Tiger would beat the Gorilla and any other land animal for that matter. Case closed. 
 
 
 
Put the Siberian against a Grizzly and that would be a challenge, but even so the Tiger still comes out on top.

Well pete, I guess you're right about the tiger being victorious in this fight, but I don't think he could beat a Grizzly, that's a little too far! Maybe a couple of tigers would win, but not just one! 
 
 
 
Siberian Tigers don't impress me at all, it's actually the Bengal Tigers who are the ultimate badasses of the jungle, because they're lighter and quicker, and they're just full of energy!

Not to mention, Bengal Tigers are the TRUE Man Killers!!

fuck off!! they are killing small chinesse women lions da fuck

Jo, shut the fuck up! What you said did not make one damn bit of sense to me. I'm sure a Tiger could also kill a chinese man as well as a chinese woman, or any man! Lions can do the same thing, but still, your statement was "pointless" , you can talk all the shit you want, I don't really care, somebody just had to tell you something.

people can tell me what ever the fuck they want  
 
 
 
it has been shown the bengal tiger attack and kill either small infants or women rarly men and who the fuck are you my fuckin dad i think not

I bet you that if a man were alone in the wild, a Bengal Tiger would fucking kill him, Jo you better watch it!

The tiger would bite the 'rilla's dick off.

To say a siberian tiger can take a grizzly is retarded. Kodiaks way up to 1500 pounds and have 6 inch claws so umm ya not a chance. The tiger and gorilla would be a good fight it basically comes down to if the tiger can get a quick bite to the neck. If it cant the gorilla is gonna get a hold of it and just rip it to shreds. I wouldnt be surprised if a gorilla could just snap a lions leg in half with its arms.

I LOVE 50 CENT TOOOO!! but unfortunately it's too small. how could you compare it to this tiger beast... You would need kobe bryants agility and speed and shaquille oneals strength but watch this silverback below and let me know what you think 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmQA1Iac7Xg 
 
 
 
he would match up maybe! 
 

Adam, a Kodiak bear is not a grizzly. Both are subspecies of brown bear but the Kodiak is much larger. I'd say a grizzly would usually beat a Siberian tiger, but if you had 1000 fights with a different bear and tiger each time, I expect that a tiger would win quite a few of them. It's interesting that you write that it's "retarded" to think that a Siberian tiger could beat a grizzly, then go on to quote the stats for the Kodiak bear, and then go on to state that a gorilla would put up a good fight against a tiger (far more retarded).

The Liger is the biggest cat on the earth.

Tigers are twice teh size of a gorrila and its a cat, man-it would swipe the gorrila and it would be a mauling-the big cat would easily win in my opinion-I just don't know how you could think other-wise. Ligers are not recognized as the worlds largest cat bc they were created by mans manipulations in genetic research by the germans.

kenny i have been absent for a matter of weeks and seen ur comments seeming to a threat to !watch it " well fuck ryt off you cock

Oh I'm the cock huh? I think this quarrel here was started by you, so I think you're the cock!

You're so illiterate that it's not even funny, Jo!

Jo, let me tell you something man! 
 
 
 
You've got a lot of nerve telling me to fuck off like you did earlier, you don't know who I am! 
 
 
 
And another thing, if you want to cuss me out over the gay ass fucking internet you go on ahead, if you were right here, I'd crack your fucking head in!! But you're not so....I'm not even gonna try to piss myself off thinking about you. 
 
 
 
Answer this question though... 
 
 
 
if a hungry tiger that weighed probably 500 lbs saw a lone un-armed man in the woods, would he attack him? And if you say no, you're a fucking idiot!

With all my respect for gorillas, I am of the opinion that the tiger would win. If the two animals are locked in combat, the gorilla may somehow crush the tiger's ribs (in which case the tiger would lose) but it is quite unlikely that it will try to do so purposefully. Instead, it would probably bite and pummel the tiger in a rather frantic and haphazard manner. In contrast, the tiger would do precisely what all cats do if they are grabbed by a strong opponent: it would kick and slash with its powerful hind legs, probably with devastating results. 
 
 
 
If they are not locked in combat but maneuver around each other and try to deliver blows from a distance and then jump aside(which cats often do), the tiger would once again have an advantage over the gorilla because of its greater speed and maneuverability. Such a method would not inflict mortal injuries on the gorilla, however, and eventually any of the two sides may decide to put an end to this unproductive battle. The gorilla may try to flee, but it may also become so angry that the tiger would find it advisable to seek an easier prey.

THANK YOU Balazs, somebody FINALLY said it!!

Finally said what?:)) Anyone with some experience in the medical treatment of cats would know that cats kick with their hind legs.:))

Ash, this subject is about gorrila vs tiger and the possible outcome, however on your topic of bears, Grizzly's are kodiak bears living on kodiak island, Alaska-there larger size is due to their proximity to an abundance of food, read this; Grizzly Bears can also be found on the southern Alaskan costal island of Kodiak, were they are called Kodiak Bears. Like the Florida Panther (also known as - Cougar, Catamount, Puma, & Mountain Lion), they have historically been given different names by the indigenous people sharing their Native Wild Habitat. Brown Bears are normally very dark brown, sometimes even black in appearance, but do vary considerably. The Brown Bears native to the Rocky Mountains seem to tend to have longer back and shoulder hairs that appear encrusted with gray and white color giving them a “Grizzly” appearance. Thus the name “Grizzly Bear” has been forever tagged to animals in that region. http://www.tigerhomes.org/animal/grizzly-bears.cfm

...The strength of a silverback gorilla has never been measured, but it should be sufficient to say that anecdotal evidence of animals observed almost casually bending and snapping objects such as tempered steel bars (2 inches thick) and giant bamboo stalks, suggest that the gorilla has the muscle power of between 8-15 men and possibly more. Jersey Zoos Jambo was observed to hang from one arm (he was over 400 lbs) while methodically ripping over 200 ft of inner ceiling planks from the roof of the new gorilla house with his other arm (the planks were securely screwed and nailed), simply because he didn't like them. No other animal outside of the great apes has such a combination of strength and dexterity. The fact that gorillas don't use their strength to attack other animals in the manner of chimpanzees or baboons means very little as they are by their very nature, peaceful animals. Gorillas also have one of the most powerful jaws of any animal, which they use to get to the piths of various trees and plants. They can also use them in defense, and can inflict serious wounds with their bites if they so wish. Stories of their ferocity are largely unfounded, and when left alone, gorillas will never attack humans. 
 
 
 
.. Any tiger would get raped with ease.. Not only Does the Gorilla have a much Stronger Jaw... it could literally pick the tiger up . or break any bone in its body with ease.

I still have doubts. It is undeniable that the gorilla would inflict serious injuries on the tiger, but the tiger has a more effective defensive strategy against the bites of an opponent. If the gorilla managed to pin it down and started to bite it here and there, the tiger would roll on its back and use all of its four powerful, clawed feet to injure the gorilla and keep it at arm's length. This is what bears also do if fighting with each other. The gorilla does not have a comparable tactic to defend its vulnerable belly. Thus the gorilla's best chance would be to break some bones with a few powerful blows. The tiger could not match that, since big cats use their paws more to grab prey or knock it down than to beat it to death. Nevertheless, it is far from sure whether the gorilla would attack the tiger's most vulnerable points with the same purposefulness and accuracy as a predator would do.

BTW, I am not sure whether the tiger would start its attack by jumping at the gorilla's throat (as the introduction suggested). If big cats attack humans or some strong prey, their first move is to knock it off its feet with their paws, and only after that will they seek a throat hold. If they fight with each other, they start with a swift exchange of strong blows aimed at the opponent's head. If the gorilla stands on its hind legs, it would be a relatively inviting target for both types of tiger attack, but if it kept moving fast on all fours, the tiger might indeed try to knock it down by a jump backed by the heavy weight of its massive body.

The tiger would knock that gorilla to the ground in atleast 50 seconds....

Probably it would, indeed. If tigers can knock down a 1.000-pound gaur (Indian wild cattle), they should be able to knock down a 500-pound gorilla.

lol at this fight! 
 
 
 
a Siberian Tiger against a gorilla? 
 
or in simple terms: a 600 lb cat against a 400 lb monkey? 
 
 
 
What's up with this? The tiger would just prey on the sorry ass ape!! You'd basically be feeding the tiger!! 
 
 
 
You can brag about how strong the gorilla is (bending bamboo stalks and shit) but how is that gonna help him win a fight against a Siberian Tiger? The tiger is way faster and they can endure a lot of pain too!! The Tiger would also overpower the sorry ass ape too. 
 
 
 
I'd place 200 million on the tiger, even if he's sick!!

If male baboons were as big as a silverback gorilla, I would be less sure of the tiger's victory. Baboons are far more skilled fighters than gorillas.

this fight is no match the tiger will maul the great ape...how ever if the gorrila is aloud to pick up a weapon or a large stone then the outcome becomes more even ( yes gorrilas r known to use weapons) theres a case in an american zoo where a teenage throw a rock at a caged gorrila the gorilla pick the rock back up and threw it back knocking out his attacker with the sheer force he threw it at....in any case im still going to back the tiger as more then likely its going to b hunting the ape and it wont have a chance to pick up a weapon anyway... stand off with a weapon the gorrila could hurt the tiger making the tiger flee or even kill it by breaking its skull 
 

There is not a single recorded case of a wild gorilla using any kind of a weapon against an opponent. It is not absolutely impossible, but it must be a rare occurrence, because such a behavior was often observed among chimps (they used big sticks to beat up a stuffed leopard) but not among gorillas.

it was a caged one not a wild one true.

and it was a gorrila. a fucking big one

seriously over wieght. and a poor excuse for a habitat

Captive apes throw stones and other objects, or poke with sticks, mainly in those cases when they cannot reach their opponent. On the other hand, the wild chimps which I mentioned before must have somehow realized that a six-feet-long stick is a more effective weapon against a leopard than their own canines, all the more so because wrestling with a big cat is extremely dangerous even for a big male chimp.

them chimps r very smart. and i am backing up the tiger thanks for sharing ur knolage of the great apes

was just puting out the weapon senario to make it a more fair fight the tiger will kill the gorrila with little resistance

water buffolo r large and have deadly weapons on there own and tigers do allright against them crocodiles too

Of course it is also true that although tigers do predate on bovines and occasionally even on bears, their preferred method of fighting is the surprise attack in which big cats are really excellent. They attack the buffalo or bear from behind, quickly grab its neck and pull it down to the ground before their opponent would be able to confront them with full strength. If this method fails, the chances will become more even. Jim Corbett described how a big male Himalayan bear carried out a surprise attack on a feeding male tiger and managed to chase it off its prey. The bear was also terribly wounded on its nose and head (presumably by the swift, repeated blows of the tiger's clawed paws), but the tiger obviously concluded that this battle was too risky to be continued.

agreed on that one too bears can b very feirce and commonly get much larger then tigers most single hunting predators tend to aviod fights unless the odds r more in there favour

An interesting case of a big cat starting a fight that it should have avoided was an attack on a full-grown hippo bull by two lions, both of which were not yet fully adult and hence inexperienced enough to pick a fight with such a formidable opponent. They managed to cause serious injuries to the hippo (mainly on the back and one of the forelegs), but finally the bull grabbed one of the lions and killed it with a single crushing bite. The story was recorded by George Adamson who had reared both lions.

This is the first fight I actually disagree with. My problem is this: When you're as big as a tiger there is no such thing as getting "inside" a gorilla's crushing arms. Gorilla thumps chest while facing Tiger, Tiger launches itself, grabbing Gorilla throat, Gorilla will then defend itself by bashing either the Tiger's skull or back (I think a direct hit on the back would literally cripple the Tiger). While the Tiger waits for the Gorilla to die from the throat wound, the Gorilla would just pummel the big cat's head and back. Maybe the Gorilla would be fatally wounded, but I can't imagine anything surviving such a flurry of punches from the world's greatest boxer.

The problem is that gorillas are neither professional wrestlers not boxers. Their preferred modus operandi is to bite, and even in biting, they do not go for a throat hold. Moreover, the tiger would probably try to knock the gorilla off its feet, attack it from behind, or weaken it by a swift series of slashing blows with its clawed paws.

Seriously people the tiger would just prey on the gorilla, its after all just a plant eater but then again these cats also prey on bears which are omnivores,not saying the tiger would win all the time it tries to eat the brown bear.

Yes, the tiger would be far more ready to attack the gorilla than the other way around. The gorilla would be perfectly happy if it could just scare the tiger away. But even the tiger would prefer to attack the gorilla by surprise. Tigers do attack even adult elephants, but they do not attack frontally unless they were shot at and wounded by the hunter riding the elephant.

yall got to be the dumbest people alive a male gorilla would damolish a tiger for 1 a gorilla is 10mes smarter and it also got tha advantage of fightin on 2 and 4 feet

The gorilla's intelligence would not play a great role in such a fight. Gorillas fight mostly instinctively, rather than creatively, and since tiger-sized big cats do not belong to their natural enemies, their defensive instincts do not prepare them well for such a battle. In tasks which require creative intelligence, gorillas perform quite well but their mental process appears to be slower than that of chimpanzees. With much patience, they usually figure out what the solution is for a problem, but there is no time for that if one faces such a fast and dynamic opponent as a tiger. In contrast, tigers are instinctively prepared for killing big opponents in a swift and effective way. The tiger would have a hard time in killing the gorilla, but the latter's intelligence would not help it too much.

Damn. I know gorillas are impressive, but I don't think some people realize what super killing machines big cats are.  
Gorilla will scare tiger away with agressive approach. But if the tiger MUST fight, the gorilla would not even get a chance to do serious damage. It's like a big untrained guy with boxing gloves fighting against a ninja with knives. No chance.

Very good metaphor. It is also very accurate to say that big cats are "killing machines." Not only because gorillas are definitely not programmed to kill as effectively as big cats but also because big cats are "killing machines," rather than "fighting machines." That is, they are better in inflicting injuries than in surviving them. They are not as massively built as bears, and thus a prolonged close-up fight with a strong and experienced opponent is disadvantageous for them. In contrast, bears are very good in such fights as well, with the possible exception of polar bears which can get dangerously overheated in such a situation. This difference between bears and big cats can be seen very clearly in hunting. Big cats are relatively "soft," i.e., much less resistant to the trauma of gunshot wounds than bears, boars, Cape buffaloes or most African antelopes. In contrast, bears are able to continue fighting even after several serious hits.

Well, you just repeat and embellish what was written before: "ersey Zoos Jambo was observed to hang from one arm (he was over 400 lbs) while methodically ripping over 200 ft of inner ceiling planks from the roof of the new gorilla house with his other arm (the planks were securely screwed and nailed), simply because he didn't like them." Tearing off wooden planks is not the same as tearing apart a steel roof. Let me also repeat that no European hunter armed with a rifle was ever seriously wounded, let alone killed, by a gorilla, whereas the number of persons killed by enraged bears and big cats is fairly high. If gorillas were really such super-monsters, they would have surely killed more of the hunters and poachers pestering them.

A gorilla could grab on to a tiger but tigers are generally big and not easy to hang on to when they start struggling. The tiger would get away easy and be flexible enough to do some serious damage to the gorrila. 
 
And even so be the case gorillas aren,t really suited for killing like how tigers can even though most tigers would rather not be seen by the gorilla when trying to kill a it.

Very much true. In fact, it is not particularly a wise thing to grab a big cat from the front. See this about leopards: 
 
“If he catches you, you’re in for a very interesting time. He will usually lead trump, fastening his teeth in your arm, shoulder, or face, itself a finesse since he’s really interested in unzipping you from adenoids to appendix. To manage this he uses his hind legs and the curved knives of his dewclaws, He is so good at doing what comes naturally that there are records of a single wounded leopard mauling five armed humans in one charge and melting back into the grass before sustaining so much as indigestion” (p. 137, Capstick, Death in the Long Grass).

Balazs  
 
That was the most uneducated remark I have ever seen someone say. You don't compare an animals ability to kill another animal based on how many humans it has killed. Statistically in N.America Deer have killed more humans then any other animal, yet bears, cougars, and wolves kill deer all the time. No human has ever been killed by a Orca yet a Orca would kick a Great whites as just because of it's sheer size advantage.  
 
Then you go on to compare how much damage a Amur tiger would do to a Gorilla if it grabbed the Tiger by comparing it to what a Leopard does to 5 humans.  
Well first that is a leopard not a Tiger so wrong cat, and second 5 adult male humans that is about a quarter the strength of a Silverback. Some scientists claim a Silver back can lift 4000lbs, which means that even if the Amur tiger weighed 600lbs which is quite rare, it would be like a rage doll for the Gorilla. Not to mention the Gorilla having hands which means it can easily grab the Tiger or throw objects at the Tiger or even through the Tiger itself, arms, and if it can lift 4000lbs and has the strength of 20 humans pack quite a hit when swinging it's fists. A hit to the head of the Tiger would surely kill it in one blow if not make the Tiger back off.  
Not to mention the Gorilla is far more intelligent then the Tiger. The superior brain the Gorilla has makes it be able to strategize during the battle, as well as make intelligent split second decisions. As soon as the Tiger is locked into the battle it will only be think one thing and that is kill or run. That is because of the carnivorous instinctive mindset of the tiger just thinking about one thing.  
 
You really have terrible comparisons.

Let me politely disagree (it is not my style to shout). First of all, my references to the rifle-armed hunters who were killed by bears and big cats (and not by gorillas) was aimed to highlight the relative resistance of the various animals to serious injuries and massive blood loss as well as their ability to launch a quick and deadly effective attack. Apparently gorillas are not as good in these respects as in brute strength, which is a disadvantage if one fights an opponent that is very agile and whose claws and canines cause massive blood loss. Your reference to the persons killed by white-tailed deer is quite mistaken, for the persons in question were killed mostly by supposedly "tame" captive deer which attacked them quite unexpectedly. 
 
Second, the reference to the leopard was aimed to highlight the fighting style of big cats (and of all felines in general). They instinctively attack the opponent's soft underbelly, or breast, with their powerful and clawed hind legs, and the gorilla would be quite vulnerable to such kicks unless it managed to kill the big cat almost immediately. Precisely because gorillas favor a close-up fight, the ape would suffer terrible laceration from the claws until it could win, or it would be forced to release its hold.  
 
I wrote about the gorilla's intelligence a bit before, and I am not going to repeat it. It is sufficient to say that gorillas do not fight in a particularly imaginative way. If you look at the statistical data I quoted on gorilla attacks on humans (in the bear-gorilla topic), you will see their modus operandi. 
 
Peace.

Let me add that I read a number of descriptions about gorilla attacks on humans, and I saw only a single case when the main mode of attack was to hit the opponent with a fist. This happened to a European zoologist named Deschryver who went a bit too close to a gorilla group, and a big male attacked him. The gorilla ran at him on two legs, with raised fist, and hit him with such a force that he literally flew a few meters. Interestingly enough, he did not suffer any serious injury, nor did the gorilla continue its attack. Deschryver concluded that the attack was aimed to scare him away, rather to kill him, and he was probably right. In contrast, in all those cases when someone was seriously attacked by a wounded or otherwise angry gorilla, the main injuries were caused by bites and sometimes by the ape's strong nails. Several people were maimed for life as a result, but the injuries were mostly on their legs and hands. I never saw a single description about a skull crashed, a scalp torn off, a spine broken or a neck twisted, though the gorilla could have easily done any of these. Apparently gorillas regard their jaws, rather than fist, as the ultimate weapon to be used once they are in really serious combat. And in a jaw-to-jaw and nail-to-claw fight, a tiger would have fairly good chance against a great ape.

Balazs  
 
You seem to think the Gorilla will just sit there and let the Tiger scratch and bite at it's chest. You also have to realize these are animals that take a beating from each other, animals which are 20 times stronger then the Average man, and some people claim can lift 4000lbs. Which means they are built like tanks. They got huge dense bones as well. These are animals that have been seen and documented using weapons on each other, as well as threats to the troop like an invading Leopard. Weapons would be rocks, logs, and fallen branches. Gorillas also exhibit Bipedalism which allows them to use there arms to protect there front, and flanks, the two major places where a Tiger would try to attack.  
The Gorilla also has allot more Stamina then a Amur tiger allowing it to keep up maximum energy output even when the Tiger quickly begins to tire. There is a reason why Tigers only chase prey for about 120ft before giving up.  
 
I only said the Deer killing more people in N.America to prove the point that how many kills a animal has on humans determines how aggressive and dangerous it must be. The reason why more people are killed by deer is not because of tame deer but because of collisions with cars. You see a deer in the forest and it will run away. Just because they will 10,000 people a year doesn't mean they are the biggest baddest most dangerous thing to run into in the forest. How many humans the animal has killed proves nothing but behavioral differences.  
A human gets to close to a Tiger and there is a good chance of an attack, they get to close to a Gorilla and the Gorilla will just intimidate them and scare them off rather then risking a fight. They know we generally mean them no harm. Although a predatory animal like a Leopard or Tiger and they know they are dangerous and will protect there troop.  
 
Look at this fight of a Silverback fight, they use there arms allot:  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZItE4FQU784  
 
and this one breaking a Banana tree like a toothpick.  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4amRA0jl0qI  
 
They aren't weak, they use there arms, and they would crush the Tiger quite easily. To get technical the Tiger would have to deal with a troop of Gorillas. In many cases blackback Gorillas have backed up the Silverback Gorilla. A silverback Gorilla is a mature Gorilla at least 11 years old. The blackbacks would be pretty close to maturity if they are backing up the Silverback.  
 
I am not saying the Tiger is a inferior animal. In there own right they are amazing powerful apex predators, I love Tigers allot but A Silverback Gorilla is just to much for a Tiger to handle.

Justin 
 
 
 
This isn't about a troop of gorilla vs a tiger, it's about one tiger and one gorilla. 
 
 
 
Just out of curiosity, would you have said the same thing if it were a lion fighting the gorilla? 
 
And can you prove that gorillas are as strong as 20 men, you did say that some people CLAIMED it was that strong, but did those persons do an actual examination? 
 
While it is safe for me to say a Bengal tiger is stronger than 13 men there is prove of that even though this is a Siberian tiger we are talking about.

Justin, I watched that video to the link you posted, those gorrilas fighting was very weak-they better bring more to the table when facing the biggest of the big cats, friend! Leopards kill gorrilas, much less a killer like a tiger would be able to do. People always talk about things being 20-30 times stronger than people, but I think people forget how strong some of us are, like alot of Scandinavians for example, like Magnus ver Magnusson or Magnus Samuelson etc. We just have a different kind than animals because the delivery of that strength is used differently, but I guess you're talking averages. 
 
It is my opinion that the Siberian tiger would be the champ in this overcomming the gorrila in short time as the gorrila would probably try to flee after a short encounter with the tiger which in turn would lead to the gorrilas death.

Yes, I know that video about the two silverbacks. It is quite obvious that this was not a serious fight but only a minor squabble between two big males belonging to the same family group. The relaxed attitude of the other, younger group members reveals that this was not a major confrontation. In serious territorial fights, which occasionally occur between males belonging to different groups, the main injuries are caused by biting. Read what Dian Fossey wrote about such inter-group fights, and you'll see that. In serious fights, gorillas grab their opponent and start biting it. This is why the gorilla's chest and abdomen would be inevitably exposed to the tiger's claws. Not because the gorilla would behave passively (as you asked) but precisely because its method of active fighting would bring it close to the tiger's claws. It would be logical if a fighting age took advantage of its long arm and rained blows at its opponent while keeping it at arm's length, yet gorillas, orangs and chimpanzees do the very opposite: they reach out, grab the opponent and drag it close enough to bite it.

Some more comments: 
1. The gorilla's bone density would be a good protection against mechanical trauma, but it does not help much against a ripping slash along the abdomen. 
2. No one ever observed a gorilla using a club or a big branch to hit an opponent. The only form of combative tool use was the throwing of some relative small objects at humans, as observed recently in Congo. This was more for intimidation than serious attack. 
3. Let me challenge you: please bring me ONE reliable and documented case of a gorilla attack on a human victim in which the main mode of attack was to crush the victim's skull, spine or bones by blows.

I guess the calculation about a tiger's strength being equal to 13 humans was based on cases when tigers (or other big cats) dragged the heavy carcass of some big animal for a few dozen, or even a few hundred, meters. Big cats also excel in jumping. In contrast, they are not as good in weight lifting as bears. A bear can easily turn over a big rock, but I guess a tiger would find it more difficult.

It was a case where a bengal tiger( unknown gender) draged a died adult guar for I guess a good distanse and it was said that 13 adult men couldn't even make the carcase budge. 
 
I'll look for the source and post it later.

Yep, I saw a story about that case. Gaurs are indeed very big and heavy animals, even bigger than Cape buffaloes.  
 
BTW, what about suggesting a fight between a gaur bull and an American bison bull?

To Justin: 
 
the problem with your approach is that your calculations and deductions are based on potentials and estimates, rather than actual and observed facts of gorilla behavior. If a gorilla fought in the style of a human boxer or a karate expert, it would be probably able to lick the tiger. But they simply do not fight in this style. This is why Peter Jackson's otherwise very fine King Kong movie was wrong. Gorillas are NOT humans with superhuman strength. They are apes with superhuman strength, and therefore they use different methods. Even chimpanzees, which are much more inclined to use tools in fighting than gorillas, prefer to bite their opponents once they get really angry. If I were you. I would do some comparative analysis on the bite power, canine length and biting techniques of gorillas and tigers. This would be far more realistic than King Kong fantasies.

Balazs  
 
At what point did I mention anything about Kingkong. Obviously that is fake. There is no such thing as a 50ft Gorilla that fights dinosaurs. What is the point of arguing with you if your just going to make up my side of the argument.  
I am simply saying that the much more evolved brain of the Gorilla, as well as being semi bipedal and ability to grab things and being extremely strong will triumph.  
You are bringing teeth into this argument allot. The Gorillas canines are 2 inches while the Tiger has 2.5-3 inch teeth. They aren't allot bigger. The Gorilla also has one of the highest bite pressures of any mammal. 2 inch teeth going into the Tiger is still going to effect the Tiger. Besides Tigers use there paws and claws allot more for fighting then there mouth.  
You obviously never watched my video. Clearly showing a fight with no biting. Yes they do bite, but that isn't all they can do. They can still quite easily hold back a Tiger, or hold one down. Just because a Chimp is known to use weapons allot more doesn't mean the Gorilla won't.  
 
You talk about fighting technique which means that the Gorilla troop also needs to be included. Blackbacks have been seen numerous times backing up silverbacks in a fight. Both animals would try intimidating each other first. It is very likely that the Tiger would be the first to back off simply because it lives alone and any injury would certainly mean death even if it did manage to kill or get away from the Gorilla. The Tiger knows this to.  
The Gorilla isn't as easily intimidated as it has an entire troop backing it up, and still provide it with food even if it is injured.  
So if you get serious on technique you would notice that the Tiger would back off before they even fought. Hell when male Tigers run into each other there is rarely a fight lots of times it is just intimidation until one backs down.

Balazs  
 
Why do you think the only important thing about which animal would win is based on how many humans they have killed. It is completely retarded to think that. It is Amur Tiger vs Silverback Gorilla not vs Human, get that through your head.  
 
Also I never said they would use any object as a weapon, I said they have the ability to, unlike the Tiger. They also have been observed using weapons such as sticks on each other.

Balazs  
 
Upon further research of the video I did find out it wasn't actually a territorial fight between two dominate Silverbacks of different troops.  
 
This still doesn't mean they wouldn't use there arms. They do bite yes, and it is a very powerful bite, but they will still use there arms in a fight.

I guess you somehow misunderstood me. I did see that video (actually two times, since I had known it before), and precisely because there was no serious attempt on the part of the involved males to grab and bite (and also because younger gorillas were hardly, if at all, disturbed by the event), I concluded that this was not the kind of serious fight that would occur between a silverback and a tiger. 
 
It is good that you brought info about the canines of tigers and gorillas. I will also look up what I can find. 
 
Concerning the human victims, I may say that this is important for two reasons:  
(1) Records on human-gorilla conflicts are obviously far more numerous, detailed and accurate than on leopard-gorilla or gorilla-gorilla conflicts. To date, no European ever observed a gorilla-leopard fight (they probably do occur, but rarely and are extremely difficult to observe), and thus we are left upon our imagination. In contrast, gorilla attacks on humans are extensively described, and thus they provide accurate info about the actual fighting techniques of the gorillas. 
 
(2) Reliable descriptions about hunters' conflicts with various species of big game are informative because they show an animal's fighting capabilities in their best, that is, under rather unfavorable circumstances. A big-caliber gun inflicts terrible wounds from a large distance, and if an animal is able to overcome that shock and kill the hunter, it must have immense stamina and very good tactical skills.

Yes, both gorillas and tigers know that intimidation is better than actual fight. This is particularly true for gorillas, but Indian tigers are also sufficiently satisfied if they can scare a bear away, and do not necessarily press the issue further. 
 
Of course an attacked silverback could expect assistance from other group members, but this fight, like all others, is only a one-to-one conflict.

Yes, of course gorillas do use their arms and fists quite powerfully in certain situations. For instance, David Attenborough once observed how a big silverback told a sitting female that it was time to get up and follow him. He rushed to her and dealt her a big slap across her back. Not particularly perturbed by this less-than-subtle prodding, the female got up, and trotted after the boss. She understood the message, but obviously did not take the issue seriously. This also seems to support the claim that if gorillas use their arms, it occurs usually in minor conflicts, rather than serious ones.

Scientists found out that the canine teeth of apes and monkeys are as strong as that of carnivores: 
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080626145058.htm 
 
Thus in this specific field the gorilla and the tiger are more or less evenly matched. I will try to kind some additional details about canine length, bite force and so on.

Justin, tigers have the largest canines of all the big cats and coupled with their aggressiveness and just being a good killer, would destroy a gorilla in a brutal fashion-gorilla's aren't as smart as people think-bears have out-thought them in regards to tracking where people are concerned, where as gorilla's haven't a clue, thats why they are easily tracked by african poachers and unfortunately hacked to death by machettes. The tiger would be the victor. Chimps have the brains in the ape world.

Well, I'd love to have a look at the guy who can hack an adult gorilla to death with a machete, but otherwise this is, sadly enough, very true. Poachers use mostly rifles, arrows and wire snares, and gorillas don't have a chance. It is quite remarkable that even after decades of relentless human persecution, gorillas still follow the "intimidation first" principle (i.e., they do a lot of bluffing and threatening before actually attacking anyone), which unfortunately makes them a perfect target for someone determined to kill. Other big game, such as elephants or Cape buffaloes, became deadly dangerous under similar circumstances, for they immediately fled if a human being approached, but if this was no longer possible, they launched a serious attack.

How could someone say a gorilla can kill a tiger when leopards have the ability to take the great ape down. A leopard is less than 1/3 on average the size of a tiger and though it is hunting the gorilla, it still as the ability to take him done. 
 
A tiger could clearly kill the ape too, not only that someone said tigers run from each other when they come in cantact. True/false imformation but seeing that the mortality rate for male tigers that fight is 25-30% I find that kind of hard to believe, don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's false, but the mortality rate is only those that die, what about others that survive the fight and make a full recovery? 
 
As for as it is concerned those surviving tigers fought too.  
 
 
 
Serious injury can often if ont always lead to death for the tiger.

Actually, no reliable European observer ever saw an open confrontation between a leopard and an adult gorilla, and thus it is difficult to know what a leopard would be able to do. Leopards usually prey on middle-sized animals, rather than big ones. Thus I am not sure whether a leopard could kill a silverback in a frontal confrontation. But tigers are much bigger than leopards.

I saw a show on man eating tigers. It was interesting that the tribesmen would wear mask on the back of their head to stop tigers from attacking they said that worked most of the time. So if a tiger had to stand face to face with a gorilla I don’t think it would attack however if it did I think the gorilla would be to strong they have the ability to flip large vehicles not to mention very powerful bites.

Yes, big cats prefer surprise attacks to a frontal confrontation, particularly if the prey is some big and strong animal, but also because they cannot run fast for a long distance. 
 
I wonder where the story about the car-flipping gorilla comes from. It must have been a captive one, since the terrain inhabited by wild gorillas is usually inaccessible to any kind of land vehicle. I read a few stories about escaped gorillas, such as Jabari's fatal outbreak in Dallas, but they did not make any reference to flipped cars. It may have happened, but I would be glad to see it properly documented.

It is of course difficult to generalize, but it is interesting to compare the attack of a big lowland silverback named Hercules on Dallas zoo keeper Jennifer McClurg with that of two male chimpanzees on St. James Davis: 
http://www.dallasobserver.com/1999-04-01/news/hercules-unchained/5 
http://www.esquire.com/features/chimpanzee-attack-0409-3 
 
My impression is that had Hercules mauled McClurg with the same ferocious persistence and concentration as the two chimps did to Davis, she would have had as much chance to survive the attack as a snowball in hell, taking into consideration that Hercules was over 300 pounds and he mauled her for some 40 minutes. Still, she was finally able to jump to her feet and escape for safety. For the two chimps, five minutes was far enough to cripple Davis for his life.

you guyz think the gorilla has brains,bronze and thumbs gorillas can pick up two family vans.which would you have the tiger who has speed but attacks with teeth and so do gorillas would you ever fight one of this animals and which one will you survive against. but the fight can go any how with any other type of gorilla or tiger it just depends

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Another very retarded battle. This is just like the Komodo dragon vs. Alligator one. The Alligator will always be victorious. The bacteria will take days to kill the alligator. Much more time than needed for the 5 meter, 1,200lb gator to crush the lizard 300lb with it's jaws. Plus, the only way the Komodo can kill the gator, is if it strikes the underbelly, which will still take days for the bacteria to kill the gator. The tiger wins this one all of the way. Siberian tigers are the largest cats on the planet. They are stronger than lions and larger, as well. An average male Siberian tiger can weigh 500-550lbs and stretch 8-9feet long, from head to rump, and has an additional four or so feet from the tail. Average male silverback gorillas weigh the same as an average Siberian tiger, but are smaller on the size scale. Yet, the tiger has faster and stronger muscle fibers. The Siberian tiger's and the gorilla's bite both match up to about the same; along with the Kodiak bear's. However, the tiger is more experience hunter, and is much more agile than the gorilla. The gorilla has very powerful arms; however a single swat from a Siberian tiger's arm is enough force to break an average human's ribcage. The tiger has retractable claws, which act like switch blades. He can get enough run-up speed and lunge at the gorilla toppling the ape and giving a famous throat bite. Even without a run-up on the speed, the tiger can still win in a head-to head combat. The tiger has stronger neck muscles than the gorilla and his fast twitch muscle fibers still allow the tiger to dodge the gorilla's powerful blows. Also, it's a proven fact that gorillas naturally bite at the limbs of other animals, when in combat. It would be very devastating if you were a human, but not so much if you were a tiger. Big cats naturally go for the throat which also gives them an advantage. Gorillas usually never do throat bites on attacking opponents; only on their limbs. I mean if the gorilla gets a hit on the tiger’s skull, he can cause a hemorrhage, but considering that all big cats are very agile predators, the tiger can easily dodge the gorilla’s slow attacks. Siberian tigers are now estimated to be between 11-13xs stronger than the average man. 
 
Male Silverback gorillas are estimated to be about 9-10xs stronger than the average man; however, the tiger is faster, along with being slightly stronger than the gorilla. 
 
 
 

I'm with you on this one, too-tiger woulld kill the gorilla if they clashed, but more likely the gorilla would avoid the tiger at all costs.

Very true. Silverbacks are powerful animals, but they usually prefer to avoid fights at all costs, even with much weaker human opponents. They always do some kind of warning signs, like rattlesnakes do, before they strike. But a massive cat like a lion or tiger, a gorilla may just move his troop, instead of standing his ground, like he would do with a leopard. A gorilla and a leopard is a 50/50 outcome. Despite the leopard usually weighing less than half of the gorilla's mass, they are the second strongest feline, pound for pound, after the jaguar. They can use their quicker reflexes to overcome the gorilla, however, if the gorilla gets a hit anywhere on the leopard with his massive arms or powerful jaw, (mountain gorillas, Siberian tigers, and Kodiak bears all share the same bite force power of 1300PSI) it could be the end of the battle. A gorilla vs. leopard would be a much more fair fight, and they have been known to happen in the wild. The leopard sometimes wins, and sometimes the gorilla wins (of course it has to be a Silverback, because the majority of the other troop members lack great fighting skills).

I'm just wondering; How do these fights come up? The majority of these fights are pretty simple to figure out the answers. Why not more fair fights? Gorilla vs. Spotted Hyena, Gorilla vs. Leopard, Gorilla vs. Chimpanzee; all of those would've been much more fair. Or maybe Leopard vs. Cougar, or Cougar vs. Spotted Hyena? Maybe even Chamaca Baboon vs. African Wild Dog? They are both the same weight on average. Spotted hyena females can get fairly large (averaging at 150lbs and some specimens have been found to weigh up to almost 200lbs) and have very powerful jaws, since many idiots think of hyenas as pathetic scavengers. Rogue spotted hyenas have been known to take prey items as large as wildebeest.

Chimpanzees are faster than gorillas, so it could go both ways. They are also more dexterous and have been known to use spears and weapons, when they hunt for prey like antelopes and other primates. Chimps are also very strong animals. They can be 4-6xs stronger than an average man. About the same as an average leopard.

To MrAlien: 
 
 
 
Actually, I suggested a fight between a big spotted hyena and a tundra wolf (the biggest subspecies of wolf), but to no avail. In fact, none of my suggested fights (e.g, jaguar vs. female lion, gaur bull vs. American bison bull, etc.) was ever accepted by the moderators. Unless we join forces and bombard them with a much-repeated suggestion, they will not get off their (word deleted:)).

I do not overrate gorillas, but an adult male gorilla would make chimpburger of any adult male chimpanzee in no time. Chimps are indeed faster, but their preferred fighting method is close-up combat (i.e., grabbing and biting), and in this field, the bigger bulk of the gorilla would quickly prevail.

Yeah, I guess so, but the chimp may be able to inflict some injuries on the gorilla. I have just sent two animal conflicts to the admins, with descriptions included. Spotted hyena vs. Chimpanzee and Marsupial lion vs. African lion. The second one may seem unfair at first, but the marsupial lion has many attributes that the true, African lion doesn't There's even an article on the net that is suggesting the smaller marsupial lion can still kill a large male lion. 
 
 
 
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080117093440.htm 
 
 
 
http://www.sciencecentric.com/news/article.php?q=08011779 
 
 
 
Even though it says, poudn for pound, it can slaughter a male lion, a large marsupial lion of 400lbs can kill a male lion of 500lbs. 
 
 
 

WOW-I didn't know of that suggestion Balazs! Thats what i was thnking about also-Spotted Hyena vs Timber or Grey Wolf, what a great one to vote for! Can we come up with one involving a Tasmanian Devil?? Maybe against a Badger?

Yes, an American badger is roughly of the same weight as a Tasmanian devil, and thus it would be a fair fight. European badgers are sometimes considerably bigger. 
 
 
 
I would be also interested in a fight between a full-grown male Kodiak bear and a skunk.:))

skunk wins :D

i loveeeeeeeeee gorillas bitchzzz

i love to fuckkkkkk

As much as i would like to give this to the gorilla, the tiger holds most of the advantages.

Gorilla would win, easily. 
 
 
 
Gorillas are faster, more agile and have more magic abilities.

LOL, you must be kidding me, Nick, right? A tiger could kill prey items as large as a gar buffalo. The tiger is more efficient at killing and is MUCH faster than any gorilla. Tigers are also quite a bit stronger than a gorilla. They just cannot use their digits to their advantage. A tigers' forelimbs can easily shatter an average human's ribcage. The tiger is also much more agile than the gorilla. The Tiger wins 99/100xs. A lion against a gorilla is 95/100xs.

<<A tiger could kill prey items as large as a gar buffalo.>> 
 
 
 
Wrong. A tiger would be never ever able to kill a gar buffalo. It would have zero chance to kill one. 
 
 
 
Why? 
 
 
 
Because there is no such an animal.  
 
 
 
There are gaurs (Bos gaurus) and Asian water buffaloes (Bubalus arnee), but gar buffaloes, no.:)

LOL, yes I'm sorry. I mispelled it, but you get my point. :P

The way I see it... this could go either way! (unless the tiger was allowed to stalk the gorilla) because it would only take one well placed (semi lucky) hit from the flurry of an attack that the enraged gorilla would bring to seriously hurt or stun the tiger (tigers dont have nearly the density of a gorilla) but a cat would use its strength and speed to slash and run (given the foe) forced into a hand to paw fight (cage fighting) the tiger would do a lot of damage but the gorilla is more resistant to the damage and would probably overwhelm the tiger if they went into extra innings, not to mention that well placed hit again and crushing of bones and internal organs, although the tigers unleashed furry would quite possibly gut the gorilla straight away! in either case I dont think there would be a clear winner as they would probably both suffer mortal wounds in the wild. which one would walk away? I believe it would depend on the luck of the draw, although the tiger would be a little luckier since he has been trained from birth to kill, and the gorilla is naturally peaceful.

The gorilla would quickly bight off the ear of the tiger, sending the tiger wimpering into the bushes. No, wait, that would be tiger vs Mike Tyson.  
 
How could anyone think a gorilla would win? The tiger is much faster, has piercing teeth AND claws. 
The only chance the gorilla would have is if, after the tiger sunk its teeth into the gorilla, Magila falls over and crushes the cat. 
 

First of all, I think both of these extremely strong specimens would be very leery of each other. Certainly, it won't be the gorilla picking the fight, unless the tiger gets too close to its turf.  
 
 
 
By the way, if you've never seen a silverback up close, then you are clearly underestimating its intimidating presence. It would have to be one hungry tiger to pick a fight with a silverback. Anyone who thinks this is going to be an easy 1-2-3 takedown for the tiger, is really underestimating the power and rage of a silverback. When they flip out, they are capable of knocking down everything in their path.  
 
 
 
The tiger would try to go for the neck, but I can guarantee you that the silverback is not just going to be sitting around doing nothing. He's going at that tiger like a tornado, arms swinging, teeth chomping, and raising all holy hell. I think, in a lot of scenarios, this would discourage the tiger from going any further and force it to find weaker prey. However, if the tiger is particularly hungry, and is feeling very ferocious, then it might be able to eventually wear out the gorilla and apply the fatal neck bite. No way will it be easy.

Um, Jeremy, I never underestimated the power of a Silverback. I think a fight against a leopard is a 55/100 chance, in favor of the gorilla, yet the leopard has agility on its side. A fight against a tiger is more li8ek a 95/100 in favor of the tiger. You REALLY don't understand how strong a Siberian tiger is, do you? A Siberian tiger has the ability to literally shatter an average man's ribcage in one swipe from its massive paw. And tigers have been known to kill Guars and crocodiles, a feat a Silverback would never accomplish, even if it tried. Maybe a small crocodile with a total length of about 7-9 feet long (a body length of only about 3.5 -4.5 feet), but that's really it. A tiger also has more agility on it’s side, which helps it manage to dodge the gorilla's powerful arms, and Siberian tigers average the same weight as an adult Silverback. Also, if you are referring to the movie King Kong, that movie was a load of bullshit; all three of them (including the remakes). This is because, first of all, a Tyrannosaurus rex has MASSIVELY built bones. A gorilla, even with his powerful arms, couldn’t open the mouth of a Tyrannosaurus with a bite force of about 20-25 thousand lbs of force. That would snake Kong’s hands right off. Also, a Tyrannosaurus’s skull was extremely durable, and there is almost no way Kong could snap a dinosaur’s skull, like T. rex’s like that. Also, just one bite form the T. rex would be enough to cripple Kong’s fighting abilities, but apparently, in the movie, that only left a couple of teeth marks. One bite to the shoulder blade, would shatter it.

I never said a word about "King Kong" and you can be sure that in a debate about a fight between a giant gorilla and a Tyrannasaurus Rex, I will firmly be on the side of the giant dinosaur. lol  
 
 
 
But, back to this debate. I know that a siberian tiger is a big, bad mofo. I never said that silverback would whoop the siberian's butt. I said that he would put up a hell of a fight, and maybe enough of a fight to make the tiger think twice about taking it any further. I think people on here are thinking about fights in human terms, but with animals, it's not like they always know who's got the advantage. If that were the case, then all the spots on many kinds of prey would never fool their predators into thinking those were eyes. Or, when certain kinds of prey puff up their chest. So, when a massive silverback starts throwing an atomic sh*tfit, it just might get into that tiger's head and psyche him out.  
 
 
 
But, if this tiger has his mind set on taking down that silverback, then he certainly has the edge.

Well, we have to take this fight into two perspectives. One kind is if the tiger ha the stalking advantage (he'll almost definitely win), but in a head on battle, yes, you are right; he will struggle to kill the gorilla. When tigers kill guars, they have a stalking advantage, and the same with crocodiles, but if the crocodile gets the lunge on the tiger in a head on battle, the tiger is almost certainly done. Just one bite form the croc could cripple to tiger. Gorillas and tigers do have both have matching bite pressures. Yes, in a head on battle, a tiger will struggle. You are right. Leopards are faster than tigers, and more agile, so they would have an advantage against a gorilla that the tiger doesn't. People always say leopards kill elands. But that is total bullshit. Elands are massive animals, and the only way a leopard could get a kill on an eland, is if it stalked it from a tree, landed on the animal’s back and gave him a throat bite. Otherwise, in a head- on battle, a leopard will get ZOMGWTFPWNED.

I'm not saying leopards DON'T kill elands, but elands are not normal prey items, like what many ignorant people say.

I don't know about the stalking perspective. Good luck trying to sneak up on a silverback. It's no coincidence that mountain gorillas are among the most elusive animals to track down. I don't think the tiger get anywhere near the silverback without him knowing about it. So, I think we can pretty much dismiss the "stalking" element of the fight. This is going to have to be a full-frontal collision between one hungry tiger and one pissed-off gorilla. Also, I wanted to point out that silverbacks have tree trunks for arms and practically no neck. Their movements are going to be much different than anything that tiger has seen before. The tiger is going to need all his strength and energy to earn his meal.

I'm sorry, but it would be a very bad day for the Gorilla. Any attempt the Gorilla could make at breaking a bone, or crushing a skull, would be intensely countered by the much faster (and larger) Tiger. Picture this: The Gorilla reaches to grab the large feline, but in an instant, the Tiger has the Gorillas arm in his mouth, and has sliced through the tendons and muscle. The arm is now useless, and spraying blood. Whether or not the big cat sticks around to complete the kill is debatable, but the outcome is not good for the Gorilla.  
No doubt though, the Gorilla is a massively powerful and scary animal when it needs to be. But.... 
The term 'cat-like reflexes' was created for a reason. Tigers have incredible reflexes, and it would be essentially impossible to get a hold of one without it's massive jaws and razor teeth doing fatal damage. At 600 lbs, this animal was built to rip flesh and quickly and the life of it's sometimes very large prey. To get an idea of the strength the tiger possesses: One adult male was witnessed dragging an adult cow over a 7 foot high stone wall, after dragging it nearly 100 yards through a swampy bog.

reflexes are great and fine! and they belong to the tiger! but, unless the tiger can strike and get away clean (which could happen, that's that luck thing again) at some point the tiger has to engage. the gorilla has enough strength to reach through the tigers body! I am not sure what part of that you are not understanding. (kinda like in the old kungfu movies where the guy reaches in and rips out the guys still beating heart!) all it would take is for either one of them to get a good hit in to take the advantage and I can guarantee that the gorilla is going to be bringing his A game swinging his arms like a windmill as he charges the tiger. and any one of those hits can win him the match! this match up is kinda like two people with guns! who ever get's there shot in first will most likely win! but they could be shot as the other is falling or on the ground. so is there really a winner if they both die? you said the tiger is going to bite the arm of the gorilla... what do you think the gorilla will be doing with the other arm?? that's right!! reaching in and tearing out the tigers heart! (kungfu style) LOL 
 
the tiger has the advantage but he might not walk away! that's all I am saying.

this is not necessarily true. its a "what if" scenario at best. Silverback's one blow on head of tiger is enough to fracture its skull.

If the guy who built the question knew anything about animals or gorillas, he would have knew that there is more than one type of gorilla, and would have wrotten for example Mountain Gorilla. 
 
And I after this firmly beleave that every one on this website is a hill billy. What the hell are you guys thinking voting for the tiger? 
 
Well I will tell you that Gorillas can lift a sedan and flip it over, their jaws are more powerful than ones of any cat or any bear. They can fight the whole battle on 2 hands. They are by far the most athletic. They have super thick skin. And they are the only animals that are smarter than the smartest of all predators, the African Lion. They are by far larger than any tiger. Now tell me one advantage the pussy tiger has.

Gorilla punches Tiger in the face, 4 hours later Tiger wakes up has headache, Gorilla enjoys a nice banana.... see you tomorrow kitty-kitty!

i pity the fool who gets punched in the face by a 600 lb gorilla

Although the tiger is the strongest cat and it is recorded that can kill large predators like bears and crocodiles, i vote for gorilla in the case that animals are the same size. With respect to the tigers I believe that the insane strength of gorilla would have a crucial role in this fight. Only way that tiger can kill gorilla is to bite his neck, but gorilla has very strong and short neck (because he has to sustain heavily punches from other gorilla), so for certain tiger could not do this instantly which gives gorilla chance to grab tiger and deliver lethal injuries. It is recorded that gorilla can easily break 4 inches thick bamboo trees (at least 600 kg pulling force is required for this action) and tiger has bite force up to 400 kg, so gorilla could easily break tiger jaws.

What Bojan said is true. Gorillas have been known to brake animals spines with one punch. They can punch with both hands at the same time with super fast speed and super strength.

lol at rrrick's comments.

rrrick,Jesse "LULZ" James, 
 
the African lion is not the smartest of all predators-cats are known NOT for their intelligence! 
 
another farce-show me ONE documented instance of a gorilla picking up OR flipping a sedan-I want to see it, because there is not one. Also, gorillas do not punch-you watch to much magilla gorilla, only chimps use things as weapons in the ape world, and are easily more aggressive than gorillas who avoid comflict or fights even going so far as to move the entire group to aviod a fight. Tigers are fighters, and experts at killing-the tiger would be having gorilla lunchmeat for dinner if the two would meet. Once again, gorillas do not punch!

Yeah, gorillas do not punch. 
Than check this out: 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FwviPz_g9U 
 
Probably there is a good reason for keeping them behind 2inch bullet proof glass. 
As for flipping a family sedan, yes there is no clip showing that because they live in the jungle, but the youtube is full of clips with gorilla breaking the whole tree. One fore example: 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2g5XwGrbtY

lol Jesse "LULZ" James do you read what you write to believe that a African lions are the smartess of all Predator.  
 
 
 
Ask yourself this, if lions were so smart don't you thing they would have a higher success rate in hunts instead of 30% when compared to the hunting dog which have a success rate of 60%? 
 
 
 
And where smarts are concerned you have quite a list of animals that are smarter than a gorilla for intanse Orangutans are very smart and if you check many websites big cats and gorillas don't make it in the top ten for smarts but rather strength. 
 
 
 
And size you say that a gorilla is larger than any tiger well let me prove you wrong the largest captive tiger(siberian) weight in at 1025 pounds when he died while the largest captive gorilla was only 638 pounds when he died by Guinness Book of Wolrd Records. 
 
 
 
Even in the wild tigers out weight gorillas. Adult males gorillas are 200 kg while male siberian tigers accroding to the Siberian tiger project are 221 kg and by Guinness Book of Wolrd Records 270 kg. 
 
 
 
Even Bengal tigers are larger 221 kg though by the Guinness Book of Wolrd Records the Bengal tigers weight was said to be 190 kg and those tigers that dwell in the Nepal areas are 236 kg so get your facts straight. 
 
Sure they are larger than the smaller tigers but that is not every tiger. 
 
 
 
If the tiger was hunting the gorilla without a doubt the tiger would see it as easy pickings but in head on matches before the tiger can kill the gorilla it will obtain some injuries but with its speed and strength the tiger would be the usual victor, in the end the gorilla would not be able to keep up with the tiger to give it a killing blow. 
 
But a tiger would like it so much more if the gorilla was not aware of his presence.

@ TLK 
 
As I said a million times before, stop measuring animals size by how fat they are. A gorilla would stand much taller than any Siberian or Bengal. As I also said another million times before, Siberians weigh a lot because they live in the harsh winter of Russia which means they have many layers of unprotective fat, which actually slows them down in combat. If you look at Siberians in captivity they are a lot more muscly. This is because captivity is warmer, although it does depend on where the captivity is located. So your argument is invalid, also according to the show "The Most Extreme" Gorillas can lift 2 family cars up and hold it above their head, while most sources say, they can lift 2 tons and hold it above their head, the average family car weighs around 1.6 tons. Which tiger can do that my friend?

TLK, you are right, Bengal tigers are much larger than a gorilla-a gorilla in th ewild is 375-400 lbs, while the muscular Bengal is much larger-even the male african lion is larger than a gorilla-both cats would tear it apart. Leopards have killed and eaten gorillas. Also, Jesse-no actual tests have been done to measure gorilla strength,and certainly they have never had a gorilla hold up two tons, but its agreed in the scientific community that it is been eggagerated quite a bit. =msg&f=14&t=1376&m=1 and http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1376&m=196) is a discussion forum. LudoRaphaim says that there may have been no study to determine a gorilla’s strength. One book(Primate Adaption and Evolution 2nd edition) says it is 4-8 times stronger than a man, while the "Animal face off" show says it is 20 times stronger and LudoRaphaim says it is 20 times stronger in its upper body. Nigel Marvin says it is 5 times stronger. "The Most Extreme" on Animal Planet suggested that a gorilla may be eight times as strong as an Olympic weight lifter although tests have not been done to prove this theory. A gorilla may deadlift twice as much as the world's strongest human, but that is also unproven as far as tests that have been done-it may well be the case that the strongest human is stronger than a Silverback, but this is 1 from billions, on average there is simply no contest.  
 
Thomas M. Greiner (http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-07/995155256.Zo.r.html) considers the problems of defining gorilla strength. He says that most human strength activities, such as weight lifting, involve a degree of skill as well as strength. It is possible that a human could bench press more weight than a gorilla, but that a could tear the arms off the human. Gorillas and humans have variable strengths. The gorilla has very strong arms, compared to a person, although some people do have bigger arms than a gorilla.African Wildlife Foundation (http://www.awf.org/content/wildlife/detail/mountaingorilla) says that a mountain gorilla is about 10 times stronger - than the biggest American football players. Looking at this conflicting information, it seems that a silverback gorilla is 5-10 times as strong as a human and that 7-8 times seems to be a fair estimate. A general principle in biology is that the basic unit of muscle activity (the sarcomere) is pretty much the same in all animals. That means that the muscle of any animal is just as powerful as the muscle of any other animal. What differs between animals is how the sarcomeres are arranged, and how many of them are dedicated to a particular action. This is a difference of biomechanics. By way of comparison, you could put a 500 horsepower engine in a race car and in a tractor. The engine in both vehicles is equally powerful. However, the tractor uses that power to pull heavy objects but not to go fast, while the race car uses that power to go fast but it cannot pull much weight. So, the two vehicles are just as powerful, even though there is no way to compare their performance. Your human and gorilla comparison would produce a similar result. The two creatures may be equally powerful, but they are completely unequal in their abilities.  
 
 
 
 
 

Jesse "LULZ" James  
 
 
 
First off I was just correcting you where the size of these animals are concerned. 
 
 
 
A tiger is considered fat when they reach sizes of 600 pounds are more but gorillas reach obesity at 500 pounds, so as you can see I was not measuring the animal fat but giving the actual size. 
 
 
 
The Strength facter is this: you use the Animal Planet the most Extreme to show the strength of the gorilla but at the same time that same program rank the tiger as the forth strongest animal and put the gorilla at 8 place. As you seem to be familiar with the show you must know that the lower the rank the stronger the animal and as I pionted out the tiger was given a lower rank. Are you so sure you still want to use that show as a reference. 
 
 
 
And yes weight lifting while there are no evidence to prove what you have stated about the family car lifting gorilla there are evidence to prove tigers can PULL more that one ton of animal. 
 
If a gorilla could hold a car over its head how long do you think it could stay like that for? 
 
As some one here stated before a Bengal tiger of unknown gender was reported pulling a died bull gaur for a distance of 12 meters. 
 
The average male gaur weigths around 1300 kg which is 1.4 ton. But guars can reach weights of 1500 kg which is 1.6 ton and weights of 2000 kg have been reported which is 2.2 ton. 
 
Though the size of the died gaur was not given it was said that 13 adult men could not budge the guar.  
 
 
 
This is the link of the tiger pulling the guar.  
 
http://lynx.uio.no/lynx/catsgportal/cat-website/catfolk/tiger-04.htm 
 
 
 
But in the end Attila is very much correct for there as been no real testing of both these animals strength but only estimations of how strong they are. 
 
And if you read my last comment I gave the size of Siberian tigers to be equal to the of the Bengals. 
 
 
 
 
 
I aslo re-checked the book of world records and according to it the average male Mountian gorilla weigths in at 157 kg and the low land gorillas are 163 kg. 
 
Compared to an Indonesian tiger which averages about 200 kg.  
 
And I doubt a gorilla could even take on a lion which on average are smaller than Bengal And Siberian tigers.

TLK you're absolutely right in your assertions about the tiger size/body fat and the ability of a lion to easily kill a placid weaker animal as a gorilla. Fact is, gorillas are not fighters as are Grizzly's, tigers and lions-all three would just overwhelm a gorilla. Also, the show "most extreme" puts Grizzlys and tigers well above gorillas. Grizzly's have been documented many times by field biologists carrying big moose up mountains or other such rugged terrain-moose sizes range from 6-7 feet tall and are 850-1580 lbs, no small feat. Also, its a well-known fact that tigers move guars that weigh 1.6 tons, while a gorilla has never been tested and has only been estimated-certainly has never been tested lifting cars or equal amounts of weight you describe overhead! Also what may be noted on the comment about TLK doubting a gorilla could kill a lion-a gorilla has too much to handle with a leopard, let alone a lion.

Hey what's the size of the heaviest gorilla found in the wild? and was it a mt gorilla or a lowland one?

The heaviest gorilla in the wild was a 6 foot tall 500+ pound silverback, that's now on display at the Academy of Natural Sciences, in Philadelphia, Pa. However, there were some individuals, like Gargantua, that reached over 550lbs (estimated weight was between 550-600lbs), but they were raised in captivity all or most of their lives. Most silverbacks top out at 440lbs in the wild. Very few reach the 500 mark.

The eastern lowland gorilla is the largest. Adult male gorillas have silvery white "saddles" that inspired the name "silverback" for these animals. They are smooth-haired compared with the long-haired shaggy mountain gorilla.  
 
On two legs, adult male gorillas stand about five a half feet tall (rarely a bit taller). They weigh between 300 and 400 pounds. Females are smaller, standing up to five feet tall and averaging about 200 pounds. Zoo animals are often heavier and are considered obese over 400 lbs. 
 

Can a Tiger play an Xbox? I dint think so. Can it ride a bike? Bingo! I dint think so.KONG RULES! 
 
KONG WINS!

Very interesting how you say that, mystery person with no name....... Because gorillas have never been recorded to EVER use weapons. King Kong........... that movie had many mistakes in it. A gorilla, like Kong would never use tree logs like a mace, in battle........ the only other animals that use weapons from their surroundings are elephants, crows, humans and chimpanzees. Gorillas can learn sign language, which chimpanzees have difficulty learning, but they do not have the capabilities to use weapons. They can't comprehend that. And please don't go on and say. "OMG they're so intelligent! They can so use weapons!" or something similar to that. Let me give you an example of a less intelligent animal beating a more intelligent one in a mental based test: Domestic dogs are the only other animal, besides humans, that could understand the jesters of your hand, when you point in a direction. Chimps did this same test, and failed miserably at it, but that doesn't mean they're less intelligent than dogs. They just cannot comprehend the pointing out of different directions, like dogs can. Even grey wolves, which were the proposed ancestors of domestic dogs, couldn't perform like domestic dogs did in the test.

I'm correcting a mistake I made earlier I gave the size of the indonesian tiger wrong its actually 180 kg on average. 
 
 
 
The wild tallest gorilla was a Mountain gorilla with a ht of 6ft 2in but his wt was not given, in captivity the tallest gorilla was one from the lowlands and he was the same ht as the one from the wild but he was 575 pounds which is lighter than the heaviest male gorilla in captivity which was 5ft 7in and weight 636 pounds. 
 
Surprisingly lowland gorilla do infact average more than mountian gorilla but the one from the mountains are usually the one that reach the unusual large sizes.

You may be surprised to learn that in fact dolphins are accepted as second only to humans in intelligence with a brain that is highly more developed than is a chimps and one that is our size as well.

I'm still wondering, how did this guy stay anonymous, and not have to put any sort of name through?

thanks you guys

Hey no problem,anytime!

just curious but who would win in a fight of a gray wolf vs cheetah

Cheetah is too slim and too sleek. The grey wolf would win 9/10xs, and if it were an alpha male wolf- 99/100. Wolves have stronger jaws than cheetahs (can crush a moose femur in 6-8 bites), have stronger neck muscles, have more stamina and are more aggressive. However, a cougar of that size would win about 6-7/10xs with a wolf.. Cougars are more agile, and can use their forelimbs more efficiently in combat.. But the wolf does have stronger jaws than the cougar, and more stamina as well. However, it does depend on the size of the animal. Cougars can range anywhere from 75lbs to as large as 250lbs; however, the average weight of an adult male cougar is around 140-160lbs, while females average about 100-120lbs.

Cheetah wouldn't fight-its not a fighter, they give up rather easily their kills rather than risk injury, which would mean slow death, or immediate death dealt by the animal trying to steal its kill. Also, they do not eat food unless they killed it, unlike most predators. Hyena often have zero resistance when taking food from a cheetah, same as the lion, however, it it did occur, which it wouldn't due to its nature, the cheetah isn't structurally built for fighting like the wolf, so my guess would be the wolf based on what I've learned about both marvelous species.

Animal Planet has a simulation of a leopard Vs. a Silverback Gorilla based off their strengths. Maybe the result will be if it were a tiger? 
You be the judge 
 
http://animal.discovery.com/videos/animal-face-off-gorilla-vs-leopard.html

thanks again 
 
but do you think animal face off is a good source to get information on animals because i think they make up half the stuff they use 
 
like the leopard vs gorilla one  
 
i have never see any animal not even a gorilla karate chap in my life so where do they get that from?

oh and i was watching somehting recently and it said that male cheetahs stick together, there was like 4 of them even if cheetahs didn't want to fight do you think a gray wolf would stll put up a good fight cuz in the same show a young hyena scared them from their kill but i was wondering what if it was a caged fight with alot of moveing space.

Oh no, I did say the wolf would defeat the cheetah almost every time. Cheetahs are poor exemplars of the general feline body form. They are too slim, they have small teeth, their jaws aren't very strong, and their muscle mass is pretty low. Wolves, again, have stronger necks, jaws, and a lot more stamina. Cheetahs have very low stamina, and can only keep up their speed for so long. Now, if it were up against a cougar, I'd expect the average cougar to win against the average wolf about 7/10xs. The wolf against a cheetah; I’d expect the result to be a 9/10 chance, in favor of the wolf. Now, about the Animal Face- Off inaccuracies. I do think many of the stuff in there is decent info to an extant. There is some stuff in there that is complete BS. Like the gorilla being 20xs stronger than a human, or the episode, where it showed a tiger gone unconscious from missing a lunge at the adversary (the lion). A tiger would just get right back up. IT just showed the tiger lying there, like it died, and then the lion just gives the throat bite. Again, I’d expect a tiger, especially a Bengal tiger (one of the most aggressive tiger subspecies) to get right back into the fight after missing a lunge at a lion. The Polar bear vs. walrus one was a little off, too. The walrus manages to kill the Polar bear, when the bear tries climbing out of the water; however, I’d expect that bear in the first place, to hold the walrus down (bears are very strong) while they were fighting on land for the first half of the battle, so the walrus wouldn’t even be able to retreat to the water, or the bear would just give a throat bite to the walrus (considering that the walrus’s back was turned towards the water). There is a video on YouTube, where a Polar bear massacres a male walrus (actual footage). Even though, on land a Polar bear would be triumphant probably 8/10 times, a walrus is still a fairly strong animal and a blow from it’s tusks to the underbelly of a Polar bear can gut the adversary. Now, about the gorilla thing…….. 
 
Even though leopards have been known to kill adult male silverback gorillas, this doesn’t mean they rely on pure strength to kill the animal. An average leopard is approximately 3-4xs stronger than the average human, but despite me in disbelief of the shows estimations of a gorilla being 20xs stronger than a man, I do believe that they are 8xs stronger than an average human. This is the mean (average) estimate of all of the sites Attila listed about gorillas, and me also looking up some facts about these apes in the past. Gorillas do have a powerful bite, however, they do not use throat bites on their adversaries. They go for the limbs, face and genitalia. And yes, gorillas do not punch. They use their arms In a smashing motion (up, down, side to side, not straight forward). A hit from a gorilla would be very devastating to an animal such as a leopard, and can kill the leopard if placed correctly, but leopards, again, don’t rely on strength alone, but agility. They can dodge many of the gorilla’s attacks, and it will be hard to grab the leopard, or lay a hit on the animal. However, since felines do have low stamina, there may be a point in the battle when the leopard finally tires out and the gorilla can finally land a killing blow on the animal. But if the leopard manages to sink his claws into the gorillas back or chest, he may be able to deliver a throat bite.

actually i did agree with you about the wolf vs cheetah but im just curious to how far a wolf can go 
 
correct me if im wrong but cougar are larger than both cheetahs and snow leopard so how much would a lone wolf have to deal with if he goes up against 4 cheetahs and another fight wolf vs snow leopard in an enclosed area. 
 

look guys this has been going on for way too long and by the looks of it both tiger and gorilla could win depending on the features of each animal

Yes, and tigers have features better apt for killing. They are more agile, have a bite just as strong as a gorilla's, with a stronger CANINE bite force, averages heavier in the wild, is more aggressive, and is more acclaimed to fighting large animals. When Gigantopithecus lived, a giant ape, closely related to orangutans, tigers were one of their main predators, despite the ape having a weight advantage of over 700lbs. And these massive apes only died out about 11,000 years ago, in addition to the first tigers that came onto planet Earth approximately 3-4mya, so it’s very believable. Scat samples would be very well preserved to see what the tigers ate at that time period, and since some Gigantopithecus species lived in Asia, along with the tigers, this theory is even more believable.  
 
 
 
So, in essence, what you just said didn't help the conversation at all, Dragonbane96.

The gorilla is my favorite animal. So, I really hate to admit that against a Siberian tiger, or even a Bengal tiger, the gorilla would have very little chance of winning. The tiger ( adult male ) is heavier, faster, and perhaps stronger. The gorilla has a more powerful bite ( equal to the bite force of a grizzly ) but the tiger's jaws are designed for killing. Sadly, my money is on the tiger.  
 
A better fight would be gorilla vs jaguar.

i was re-reading one of Jesse and he stated that tigers in zoos have more muscle that wild tiger that seems to be a little off for me.

I agree 2faces. A zoo tiger probably has more fat. I just hate it that anything has to live in a cage.

A zoo tiger indeed as more fat because it is not doing any activity to burn off its fat. 
 
Zoo tigers do not hunt nor do they need to check territory boundaries to ensure no young male is nearby. 
 
Not to mention wild tigers only have a success rate of 20% in hunts and cannot always find other animals to scavenge from so they would be hungry for days but zoo tiger have their meals hand delivered. 
 
 
 
Wild tigers have to put up with bears and other tigers all of these activity help burns fat so zoo tigers are indeed fatter than wild tigers.

If there were a planet, where all of the beasts lived on one great contenant, then it would be likely that a gorilla might face a Bengal tiger ( not Siberian ). I would say that, in probably 8 out of 10 matches, the tiger would have bull gorilla for lunch. But, if the gorilla gets in just one good hit, the tiger could go down with a broken neck.  
 
The gorilla is my favorite animal. But, he has very little chance against the top predators such as the lion, the tiger, or the grizzly bear.

i think even the suggestion of this fight is unfair to the gorilla! leave the poor gorilla alone! he's not looking for a fight. He's a defensive fighter. Let him be. On the other hand, I doubt a tiger would like the idea of having to deal with a big-ass gorilla. Still, i think you gotta go with the Tiger on this one, huh? (Interesting suggestion about a male baboon of the size of a gorilla, though)

You're right, except the gorilla wouldn't look all that huge to the tiger since the tiger is much larger. Tigers are actually very confident at killing things larger than themselves, and the gorilla wouldn't even intimidate the biggest feline on earth.

maybe a cougar vs gorilla?

The silverback gorilla could easily defeat a cougar or a leopard in a face-off. But, I believe that a jaguar or an American black bear could give the bull gorilla a good fight.

i like the idea of the gorilla vs black bear 
 
both can stand on there hind legs and reach ht of over 7 ft but the bear is bigger and i thnik he has more power 
 
idk

I am having a problem making a comment on the siberian tiger vs grizzly blog any idea why?

whoa. Silverback versus black bear. I think I'd almost have to go with the silverback on that one. of course, my opinion of the black bear fighting ability is not that high. depends on the bear. i guess depends on the gorilla too. How do gorilla's fight?

Black bears fight very well. They do not have a bad reputation because they cannot compete with a grizzly. A big boar might be 7 feet tall and weigh 700 pounds. A bull gorilla might be 6 feet tall and weigh 450 pounds. But, even with the size differance, it is a fairly even match.

but that's a heck of a big bear, right? 
well, I say let them fight it out. the world needs to know, and it will dispell any personal doubts they might have as well.

I'll give the fight to the black bear 
 
where strength is concerned while there are no evidence to prove how strong gorillas are, a black bear cub weighing only 55 kg was able to lift a rock back handed weighing 140-146 kg which is close to the weight of a sub-adult gorilla and that was only a black bear cub. 
 
 
 
I would hate to think what the adult black bear could do the gorilla.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVAP5qWnBek&feature=related 
 
I found this footage that answers our question to some extent

lol funny clip

Yeah, that clip is really cool. I agree with Je...Chr!$t on that one.

Who win win in a fight between a Gorilla and a Tiger? ... Chuck Norris

lol Toby Ross just to let you know my chr1$T is short for Christopher :D not Jesus Christ. lol

Comments which say that gorillas cant bite are pretty dumb they can crush human's skull with one bite... And obviosly people dont know that gorilla's muchles are incredly strong their hands are like hammers which would break spine with one hit. 
 
People who say gorillaz are lazy... how lazy you think it will be when life is threated? and I bet tigers sleep more than gorilla. 
 
And have this writer ever seen any documents about gorilla they arent any cautious to attack anyone at their terriotory and tiger would only manage bite to neck if it is waiting in bush and suprises gorilla like they do to prey.

Mystery person that just commented, with a long name that I won't even both copying on this message, you must not know much about felids. A tigers' mouth is larger than that of a gorillas. A human's skull is far too large for a gorilla to get it's jaws around. Tigers have more muscle mass than gorillas, and average larger in the wild. The largest captive gorilla was 638lbs. The largest captive tiger was over 800lbs. The average Amur tiger is 450lbs. The average Bengal tiger is 425lbs, and the average Eastern lowland gorilla (largest living primate) weighs 400lbs, on average. A tiger has the same bite force as a gorilla, and you also failed to acknowledge that the canine bite force in felids and bears is higher than those of apes. Also, you don't seem to understand that a tiger or lion paw can literally shatter a human male's ribcage in a single swat. And that is a total BS myth of gorillas being 20xs stronger than the average man. They are 7xs stronger than the average man, not 20xs stronger. The strongest human body builders are as strong as an average male leopard. Tigers have agility, strength, and weaponry over a gorilla. And if you were a true gorilla fan boy, you would know that gorillas would much rather back away from a fight than looking for blood, and would never even try to perform a neck bite on an animal of any species. Gorillas, and all other species of great ape have only been reported to attack these areas of the adversary: genitalia, limbs, and face. Now don’t even get me started on how the outcome would be against the majority of the bear species. 
 
 
 
Listings of animals compared to average humans: 
 
 
 
Chimpanzee: 2.5xs stronger 
 
Cougar/ Female spotted hyena: 3.5xs stronger 
 
Leopard/Sun bear: 4xs stronger 
 
Male orangutan: 4.5xs stronger 
 
Jaguar/Sloth bear: 6xs stronger 
 
Eastern lowland gorilla/Giant panda (giant pandas are immensely strong for their size): 7xs stronger 
 
American/Asiatic black bear: 8xs stronger 
 
Lion/Bengal tiger: 10xs stronger 
 
Amur (Siberian) tiger: 11xs stronger 
 
Grizzly bear: 12xs stronger 
 
Coastal/California grizzly: 13.5xs stronger 
 
Kodiak/Male Polar bear: 15xs stronger 
 
 
 
What felids have over bears of similar size is agility, not strength alone. A typical bear is about 1 human stronger, than a typical felid, of similar size, but the felid is much more agile than the bear, giving it some advantages in battle.

You are correct, MRALIEN gorillas(not gorillaz-don't know where you go to school, but yoiu obviously haven't grasped the concept of grammer, now you're trying to grapple with animal facts and insulting people when you can't even deliver a paragraph without butchering the english language, mrmad about idiotic ideas)Gorillas are not fighters, they're bluffers and will retreat when confronted by a large predator-give me one instance of a gorilla biting through a human skull. You can't because it hasn't been recorded as such, nor has a gorilla flipped over a car-I keep hearing that on here! Magnus Samuelson flips cars, benches over 260 kilos(573 lbs) deadlifts over 420 kilos(900 lbs) and other things-I would say he is capable of beating a gorilla in most lifting feats and other feats of strength, but gorillas are not any more than 7, maybe 8 at the most times stronger than are people-average people.

Have you ever heard about test where 80kg gorilla pulled thing and human did same test it was female gorilla and human was man same size but gorilla had 5 times more force in that pull you know why their muchle are very diffrent... or well no idea why but they are stronger even when they weight same. 
 
And my idea abot them biting humans comes from guy at jungle which skull was white from the part gorilla which had bited. 
 
And this isnt about mouth you know baboon can drive lion away seen that... they told that lion is afraid of Baboons teeth and bite... well gorilla has larger mouth you know...  
 
I think all these "would win" things are silly anyway there is no facts I could write a story of cat killing whale would make as much sense as tiger vs gorilla.

You fail when you say there is no proofs about people bited by gorilla that only proves your facts are your feelings nothing to with reality only research you know about this is internet and at jugnle where gorillas live people attacked by these creatures DONT HAVE THIS INTERNET MORON. They only have injury and stories about these creature if there would be like 30million gorillas in this world we would have all kind of stuff about them doing violence instead there is so little that how in the hell you think they could do lots of news stories. 
 
Your only weapon seems to be say about my grammar i know its bad but i know the toughts behind my words are something what you cant handle.

You are a weapon against yourself with ridiculous comments such as "gorillas biting through human skulls"-there hasn't been ONE case of this ever proven-show us your proof to substantiate your claims. Also, lions scare the hell out of baboons as do Hyenas-thats why baboons scurry off at the sight of either of these predators. The thoughts behind your words tell us you need ot study more before posting random musings and false claims. Gorillas ARE NOT violent, THATS why there's no evidence to support your erroneous claims of them biting through people's skulls-also, baboons teeth are weak for their size, another sudy you failed to learn.  
 
I think all these "would win" things are silly anyway there is no facts I could write a story of cat killing whale would make as much sense as tiger vs gorilla.~PM by failure  
 
Thats the silliest thing I've read in awhile!! A cat killing a whale is FAR different than the probability of a tiger killing a gorilla, which most likely would be the case if they ever met, and if you think this site is so silly, why the hell are you here?? We are basing our opinions as to the possible outcome based on FACTS about both animals and forming our own opinions based on those facts to deduce a winner-THATS what this site is for-if you choose to be an ignorant blatherskyte, go somewhere else-this is for fun and exploring possible outcomes using facts as a basis for a surmised conclusion.

Here is something you guys do not see: Distance, depending on the distance, and if both animals are aware of each other, the Silverback Gorilla has a chance to react to the attack, as even a Tiger needs time to fully accelerate. The Gorilla could counter the Tiger's pounce by bringing it's arms up to grab the cat by the neck. He will most likely roll backward with momentum (probably not intentionally) this would cause the Tiger to be disoriented. The Gorilla will then either flee to avoid further conflict, or he can stay and fight for territory. There is also the possibility of the Tiger being injured during the roll, or when it's back comes flying toward the ground. That would put the Tiger at an immediate disadvantage. 
 
Please consider the above. Thank you.

There is no doubt in my mind that a 600 pound tiger can kill a 450 pound gorilla. But, I am rethinking my opinion of a lion - gorilla fight. Although the strength of a gorilla has never been measured, there is no doubt that a gorilla is incredibly strong. I saw a gorilla snap a lengthy of bamboo as big around as a man's leg with no obvious effort.  
 
I believe ( based on merely my opinion ) that a 450 pound gorilla could defeat a 450 pound lion or a 450 pound American black bear. Against a 450 pound grizzly bear, which is a small grizzy, I believe that each animal has a 50-50 chance. They both have an equal bite-force, which has been measured in both animals.

Actually, Toby, I may have to disagree with you on the lion and black bear. Lions are very agile, and could dodge the blows of a gorilla, while the ape struggles to hit the felid. Lions and tigers have paws strong enough to shatter the ribcage of the average man, and can do some serious damage to a gorillas face, along with their extremely sharp, and retractable claws. Gorilla Silverbacks average 400lbs in the wild, anyhow, while male lions average the same as a Bengal tiger: 425lbs. Also, felids have a lot of muscle mass, and lions have as much muscle mass as a tiger; about 50% muscle. And considering gorillas have never been known to perform throat bites, the bites to the limbs won't be as severe, as they would be to a human. Lions also have the most stamina out of all of the felids, giving them another advantage that the 150lbs leopards did not have, which have been known to kill silverbacks. Black bears, even though their case is not as complicated as that of a grizzly's, the black bear still has a hump of muscle mass on their shoulders, which powers their forelimbs to do massive damage. There have been a few studies on the strength of black bears. One individual bear which was weighed at 120lbs, managed to move a 330lbs boulder with one paw, with ease, as I recall reading what a biologist reported in a field study done on bear strength. All bears are also characterized by having extremely dense bones, powerful jaws, thick hides, sharp, long claws (about 4 inches long in the average grizzly), a lot of muscle mass (ranging from each bear species from as low as 40% to as high as 55% of their total body weight). However, I do not think even the strongest man could stand up to a gorilla, considering the strongest men are about 3-3.5xs stronger than the average man, and gorillas are about 7xs stronger than the average man. Now grizzlies, even at the same size, have a very high chance of defeating a silverback. Their 4 inch long claws, powerful jaws, powerful forelimbs, with that massive hump of muscle on their backs to power them, thick bones, and a compact body all give advantages over that of a gorilla, since grizzlies actually use their jaws in a more efficient manner than a gorilla does; by biting more vital areas. 
 

The bite force of the gorilla is equal to that of a grizzly, which is stronger than that of a wolf and much stronger than that of a lion or a tiger.  
 
As for the actual physical strength of a gorilla, it has never been measured. Estimates are usually 8 to 10 times the strength of an Olympic weight-lifter. But, that is merely an educated guess. 
 
I believe that a gorilla is pound for pound equal to a bear, making him stronger pound for pound than any big cat. As for a gorilla's fighting ability, this too is guess-work, sinse nothing in the jungle has a habit of attacking gorillas. 
 
Dead gorillas have been found after being fed upon by leopards, but this is not proof that the leopard did the killing. More likely, the gorilla is killed by another gorilla after a fight for the harem of females.  
 
So, my opinion of a gorilla's fighting ability is strictly guess work. But, in a fight between a gorilla and a lion or a black bear, I would bet on the gorilla. 
 
I believe that gorillas are terribly underestimated. I have known very strong soft-spoken men that were better fighters than the local loud-mouths and trouble-makers.

Gorillas are about 7 maybe 8 times stronger than an AVERAGE human-now sometimes a powerlifter or worlds strongest man competitors could actually be STRONGER than a gorilla. 
 
In a fight, I would bet on all the afformentioned animals as the gorilla is not aggressive and would retreat as they do in the wild-they are not fighters and rarely ever do so-especially with other species-they specialize in bluffing, but when the other animal like a bear or lion doesn't buy the bluff, its big trouble for the surprised and soon-to-be-overwhelmed ape.

Although the strength of a gorilla has never been measured, I dare to say that for you to say a human weight lifter is stronger than a gorilla is a rediculous statement. A gorilla has huge arms! An armspan of 10 feet with arms and hands far bigger than any human.  
 
 
 
We tend to judge our athletes as super human, but an Olympic runner is slow next to a gazelle or a cheetah. An Olympic jumper cannot out jump a tiger or a kangaroo. A weightlifter is certainly much weaker than a bull gorilla or an American black bear.  
 
Years ago, at a zoo, a man ( a fairly large muscular man ) broke a piece of green bamboo with considerable effort. The bamboo was roughly as big around as a man's finger. The gorilla broke a piece of green bamboo roughly as big around as a man's leg with no apparent effert. 
 
I also saw, on "man vs Beast", a tug-of-war between a female Orangutang and a Sumo wrestler. The ape easily won. A bull gorilla is much stronger than a female Orangutang.

I can lift my bike over my head!

Golly Porkupine! All the way over your head? Golly Gee Whilikers! 
 
I hope that we can be friends. I wouldn't want you mad at me!

Attila...to say that a human weightlifter is stronger than a goirilla is REDICULOUS.  
 
Just as you have never actually seen a grizzly, you have never seen a gorilla. A 6 foot gorilla has a 10 foot armspan. Those arms are far bigger and certainly way stronger than the arms of any human. His ribcage is massive. In pure strength, I would line up our players like this: 
 
#1- polar bear / brown bears 
 
#2- American black bear / gorilla 
 
#3- Siberian tiger 
 
#4- Bengal tiger / lion 
 
#5- jaguar

Toby, I wasn't being rediculous, I was merely repeating what I had studied as it directly relates to gorilla strength, which has never been tested, only estimated and in alot of scientists and animal biologists, overestimated in most cases. I was referring to Worlds Strongest Man competitors, and below is an excerpt supporting this: 
 
Thomas M. Greiner (http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-07/995155256.Zo.r.html) considers the problems of defining gorilla strength. He says that most human strength activities, such as weight lifting, involve a degree of skill as well as strength. It is possible that a human could bench press more weight than a gorilla, but that a could tear the arms off the human. Gorillas and humans have variable strengths. The gorilla has very strong arms, compared to a person, although alot of people do have bigger arms than a gorilla.African Wildlife Foundation (http://www.awf.org/content/wildlife/detail/mountaingorilla) says that a mountain gorilla is about 10 times stronger - than the biggest American football players. Looking at this conflicting information, it seems that a silverback gorilla is 5-10 times as strong as a human and that 7-8 times seems to be a fair estimate. A general principle in biology is that the basic unit of muscle activity (the sarcomere) is pretty much the same in all animals. That means that the muscle of any animal is just as powerful as the muscle of any other animal. What differs between animals is how the sarcomeres are arranged, and how many of them are dedicated to a particular action. This is a difference of biomechanics. By way of comparison, you could put a 500 horsepower engine in a race car and in a tractor. The engine in both vehicles is equally powerful. However, the tractor uses that power to pull heavy objects but not to go fast, while the race car uses that power to go fast but it cannot pull much weight. So, the two vehicles are just as powerful, even though there is no way to compare their performance. Your human and gorilla comparison would produce a similar result. The two creatures may be equally powerful, but they are completely unequal in their abilities.  
 
I have actually seen a live Grizzly whilst visiting my best friend in WA and we went shooting, he brought me to a friend of his who has a Grizzly that he said weighs over 930 lbs-that was an absolutely giant of a predator and I remain in awe to this day of that magnificent animal.  
 

This is complete bullshit, first of the tiger would he hesitant about attacking the gorilla for it has never seen one before. And if the tiger would pounce on the gorille from the front the gorilla could throw it of with ease. The fight wouldn't really go anywhere since the tiger would attempt to leap on it again but the gorillas incredible strength would throw if of again and again and attempt to bite it which would fail due to the tiger's speed, eventually the tiger would catch a tired gorilla ofguard and win. 
 
 
 
My fight is better than yours, considering the abilities of the animals, and story-wise.

this fight is like Tige vs grizzly or Lion vs black bear. 
 
the cat will win every time!

Lemony, you will just have to excuse Mr. Animalia. He is delirious with cat fever. Whoever posted this particular fight was very unsure about the tiger or they would not have insisted on a Siberian tiger ( the biggest tiger ). Notice that they did not insist on a Eastern gorilla or a mountain gorilla, the 2 biggest of the great apes. This shows how nervous they were about this face-off. 
 
Just as a 600 pound grizzly could easily kill a 600 pound tiger / a 500 pound black bear could kill a 500 pound lion... a 450 pound gorilla could defeat a 450 pound tiger in 6 out of 10 fights. Even more often if the gorilla has any fighting experiance.  
 
The advantage of brute strength and powerful bite-force goes to the gorilla.

Toby, a 500 lb black bear could kill a 500 lb lion? O.M.G where did you get that from? a lion or jaguar could beat the living crap out of a black bear any day. A 600 lb tiger could easily kill a 600 lb grizzly and in this case: A tiger wins 8 out of 10. 
 
Out of big cat vs ape vs bear the big cat is clearly the most muscular, followed by an ape and then a bear.

Bear bones are denser than cat bones. Bear muscle is developed for strength while a cats muscle has evolved to be elastic. Pound for pound any bear is stronger than any cat. A 500 pound American black bear is stronger than a 500 pound lion.  
 
A 450 pound gorilla is probably on equal status with a 450 pound American black bear.  
 
But a grizzly is even stronger. After tens of thousands of years of digging in concrete-hard frozen ground, the grizzly ( Ursus arctos if you want to get picky ) is pound for pound stronger than all other bears, making him far stronger than any cat. 
 
To say that a lion or a tiger is pound for pound stronger than a grizzly is like putting a corvette against a Mack truck in a pulling contest. 
 
grizzly= Mack truck. 
 
tiger= corvette.

Toby a 450 pound gorilla is fat  
 
gorilla's average is 163kg & tigers 221 kg 
 
and even at eqaul size or smaller than a gorilla a tiger will kill the gorilla almost everytime 
 
Tigress have been known to take on male black bears head to head and scare the bears off in one case a mother tigress chased a full grown male black bear that was snooping around her den and the average tigress is smaller than the average male black bear so a (lion 190kg) will certainly defeat a black bear as well as the lion will kill the gorilla.  
 
The fight is not always about strength, and besides gorillas are too slow to keep up with tigers or lions. 
 
Brown bears kill tigers 60-75% of the time.

And when gorilla's are faces with a threat they usually retreat instead of fighting 
 
Mountian gorilla-163 kg 
 
Low Land gorilla-169 kg 
 
Siberian tiger-217 kg 
 
Bengal tiger-221 kg 
 
Nepal tiger-236 kg 
 
Indochinese tiger-177 kg 
 
African lion--190 kg 
 
all of which out weight the gorilla 
 
and most gorillas top out at 400 pound anything bigger is just fat or obessed.

ok

A gorilla can be anywhere from 400 to 600 pounds. Yes, a 600 pound gorilla is overweight. Not a 450 pound gorilla, which is a normal weight. 
 
Tigers are bigger than gorillas. Did you notice though, they say Siberian tiger. Why? 
 
 
 
Because the Siberian is your biggest tiger. These people wanted to give the tiger every advantage. Why? Because pound for pound, the gorilla is the stronger animal.  
 
The 450 pound gorilla could win 6 out of 10 fights against a 450 pound tiger, which is a small tiger.

Toby most full grown male gorillas max out at 400 pounds. 
 
a 450 pound gorilla is just fat a 500 pound gorilla is obessed ,The largest wild male gorilla only weighted 510 pounds and he was an obessed male.  
 
Siberian tigers are not the largest tigers according to the siberian tiger project the heaviest male was found to be 478 pounds making the bengal and tigers from the Nepal region bigger. 
 
the average male bengal is 487 pounds and the average male Nepal is 518 pounds. Though these cats can get bigger thats their average size. 
 
The heaviest captive gorilla was only 638 pounds and he was also an obessed male and the heaviest captive siberian tiger was 1025 pounds, heaviest captive lion was over 800 pounds and the heaviest wild lion was 690 pounds, both the heaviest wild bengal tiger and siberian tiger were over 800 pounds, the bengal tiger was a bit bigger but he was a cattle eater and was said to be just fat, all record weigths are larger than that of the gorilla. 
 
 
 
and the gorilla fighting style would proof very fatal for the gorilla when he is fighting a lion/tiger of equal size 
 
This fight is even a miss match, the thread creator is just cruel to the gorilla. 
 
A more even fight would be between a gorilla and a juguar even a black bear is too much for a gorilla. 
 
and the gorilla is not stronger, a tiger of unknown gender was able to pull a dead gaur that 13 adult men could not move,for all we care that could have been a tigress pulling the dead gaur so tiger's strenght is more than that of 13 adult men. 
 
What about the gorilla? 
 
And I say this once again a fight is not all about strenght the gorilla is too slow and not as aggresive nor is it a fighter of cats. 
 
In the wild even if a gorilla troop spots a leopard the leading male will move his family rather than face the leopard.

ATTILA, i would rather think a gorilla is as strong as about 10 full grown men. Some of the strongest power lifters and weight lifters, barely scrap 3 or 4.  
 
And also, Toby Ross, the siberian tiger is not your biggest tiger, and, despite the amount of times i`ve shown you the records, you continue with your ignorance. The average weight of 20 adult male amurs, weighed by scientists, was 182 kg, about the same size, or smaller than most lion populations. 
 
Smuts actually gave an average weight of 189.08 kg, for 116 adult male lions, from kruger, which is about an average weight of 420 lbs. 
 
Also, most gorilla`s (males, in fact) usually weigh between 300 - 350 lbs on average, and i have actual data for this, from schaller. While a lion or tiger can scarcely be said to be proportionately stronger than a gorilla, they are usually bigger, and most certainly the more agile specimens, with sharp claws to boot. 
 
Also, ace, bengal tigers, according to most reliable records (and indeed i have every modern document published upon the subject), they usually average about 420 lbs.  
 
And lions, of course, have been known to kill such animals as polar bears, and brown bears as well. 
 
And of course, a black bear is much smaller than a lion, and would most certainly lose. They usually average under 100 kg.

And ace, the heaviest wild lion was over 750 lbs, while a captive specimen, according to peter jackson, weighed 930 lbs. 
 
And, that story of that tiger pulling that carcass does not prove much, as it is very ackward for 13 men to move a carcass, not to mention the actual weight of the carcass should have been easy for them to pull, as it was about 600 - 700 kg, for 13 men. Note that they did manage to pull the carcass 40 ft, according to one source. 
 
And, of those nepal tigers, only 7 specimens were weighed, and they were baited, and there measurements not adjusted for food content. Likewise, most other records of bengals are limited, and still others indicate a figure similar to that of lions, at about 420 lbs.

Thats just one source most sources say that they could not even budge the carcass. 
 
heres one of which- 
 
 
 
http://lynx.uio.no/lynx/catsgportal/cat-website/catfolk/tiger-04.htm

Ace, that source is wrong, especially when you consider the fact that 13 men should easily be able to pull such a weight, as it would only be 120 lbs for each of them. However, all those men pulling that carcass was likely ackward for them. You can`t just believe it because you want to believe it.  
 
The men were able to pull the carcass.

Damon, you say that the Siberian tiger is not the biggest5 tiger. You say that the Amur tiger is bigger. 
 
Some animals go by more than just one common name. A good example is the mountain lion, cougar, or puma. The Siberian tiger is also known as the Amur tiger, Manchurian tiger, Altaic tiger, Korean tiger, or North China tiger.

Ace. Gorillas do not become obese in the wild. Eastern gorillas, which include the mountain gorilla, are bigger than the Western gorilla. A 450 pound silverback is not at all uncommon.

Toby, i NEVER stated the amur tiger (which is another name for the siberian) was the biggest. Indeed, in the wild state, the bengal tiger actually has the largest reported weights, in either considering averages, or the heaviest known. 
 
And, i know of the many different names the tigers go by. I actually think bengals and siberians are quite equal in mass. However, 20 adult male siberians (amurs) weighed by scientists, averaged but a stnit over 182 kg, about the same size, or smaller than most lion populations.

Also, Toby Ross, considering the data of these animals, a 450 lb gorilla would be a large specimen, though certainly not obese. They average much less than that, however.

The heaviest Gorilla was from the wild a 510 pound male was said to be obessed, I didn't weight the animal but the record said the gorilla was obessed and considering that they reach that size and are obessed a 450 male would be fat. 
 
Those wiegth of over 400 pounds are very uncommon its like 900 pound grizzly bear in the wild in other words rare. 
 
And on average the lowland gorilla is larger but the mountain gorilla as the record sizes.

Actually Damon, just because of that RECENT weigh-in of Amur tigers, does not indicate they average smaller than any of the subspecies of lion. Siberian tigers are VERY rare. Most lion subspecies are considered vulnerable, while the extant subspecies of tiger are endangered or above. I would say that before such overhutning occurred, African lions averaged 425lbs in weight, and Siberian tigers could've averaged about 450lbs. Bengal tigers, however, average the same weight as lions, even today. But are you sure about that record from Peter Jackson was correct. I recall that the heaviest lion in captivity was weighed in at 830lbs, who went by the name of Simba, while the heaviest wild lion was what you already answered. The largest wild tiger ever recorded was shot and weighed in at 857lbs. It was a Bengal tiger. The largest captive tiger was a 1025lb male, listed in the Guinness Book of World Records.

Heaviest records (Some are rounded a couple of pounds up, if they're close enough to the nearest multiple of ten): 
 
 
 
 
 
Gorilla (includes both species): 
 
 
 
Wild- 510lbs (the cast of that individual was placed in a museum, with synthetic muscle ontop of the original skeletal cast) 
 
Captive- 640lbs 
 
 
 
 
 
Lion (includes all subspecies): 
 
 
 
Wild- 750lbs  
 
Captive- 830lbs 
 
 
 
 
 
Tiger (includes all subspecies): 
 
 
 
Wild: 860lbs  
 
Captive: 1025lbs 
 
 
 
 
 
Polar bear (all subspecies): 
 
 
 
Wild- 2210lbs 
 
Captivity- Not found 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

MrAlien, despite the fact that amur tiger numbers are rather low, there was still a total of 20 specimens weighed by scientists, and they averaged roughly 182 kg. 
 
And, i said they were about the same size, or smaller than most lion populations. I never said it was smaller than ANY population of lions.  
 
And, as i`ve said peter jackson stated the biggest lion was 930 lbs. That lion you`re talking about was actually 826 lbs.  
 
But, bengal tigers have actually had the highest reported average weights compared with siberians, in both old and new records, as well as the largest reported figures. 
 
However, the data upon both these specimens is rather limited, and i think they are equal in mass.

Actually, the specimen of the tiger that was 1025lbs was an Amur tiger, and was recorded in the Guinness Book of World Records. And also, I said that the weights I listed were rounded to the nearest multiple of ten, if they are close enough to it. I round anything that is 6 or more, up to a multiple of ten. I do not round numbers that contain 5 as their last multiple, because I feel there’s no reason not, since it’s in between and has no value that should be rounded lower, or higher.

Mr.Allen spoke of over hunting being damaging to the size of animals. I know of one incredible case of this. Whalers used to collect the jaw bones of sperm whales. Because the dimensions of these whales are always the same, we know that some of these jaws came from whales measuring as much as 80 feet long. Today, 60 footers are rare.  
 
I believe that is the reason for smaller grizzly bears in some areas as well as very small black bears in areas. Animal populations today are kept confined to restricted areas by highways, cities, and human population. Human hunters, to feed their ego, always kill the biggest healthiest animals when possible.

Pound for pound we are stronger than many of these animals mentioned above. Most common mistake is equalization of human strength with arm strength. Only 15% of our muscle mass goes on arm muscles, and these muscles are the weakest one because we use our arms only for fine actions. What about our leg strength? We are able to lift 5-6 times of our body weight on our legs with a lot of stamina. Each time you make a step you are actually lifting whole your body with one leg and you can do that for hours. 
Bears for example can lift only 0,75 of their body mass. 
 
Here is a gaur 8 times up and down: 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTa64oTc30E 
 
I bet that if any tiger is under this press and someone pulls the bar, tiger would be squeezed to death.  
Also the reason that many lighter animals can overpower us is that we can efficiently use only our arms for defense and they are very weak. 

the tiger would have a great advantage in the fact that he does fight occasionally and has great weapons (teeth and claws) but on the other hand the gorilla is very intelligent and as far as i know has never been seen in a fight to the death with another animal.. so we know very little about how he would go about warring against a tiger...but i do know from reading historically documented fights that the tiger nor the lion can defeat the grizzly bear .. It is common knowledge that the grizzly is the greatest of the land predators in combat

A tiger can easily kill a gorrila, it has every advantage possible accept for endurance 
 
they are fast, agile, heavier, stronger, better leaper, better armed, more aggresive, more experience hunting and fighting. 
 
the siberian tiger can kill any ape, any cow, and any bear (discluding maybe kodiak and polar). Its the worlds top predetor. the grizzly isn't even close. 
 
grizzlies are far over rated on this site. polar, kodiak, ussuri, kamchatka, all those bears are far stronger then a grizzly.

Another point: Silverback gorrila 600 lb? the largest ever was 590 lb. If youre gonna name the worlds largest gorrila then why not the worlds largest tiger? up to 932 lb vs a 590 lb gorrila and see who wins.

Although, I don't agree with you on the Felid versus Ursid conflicts, I do agree that the Tiger will win most, if not every time with a large silverback gorilla, however, I think you have your weights off. The largest gorilla in the wild was 510lbs, while the largest gorilla in captivity was 640lbs. The largest tiger recorded in the wild was 860lbs, while the largest tiger in captivity was 1025lbs. I would also like to point out the largest tiger in the wild was a Bengal tiger and not a Siberian tiger. So no tiger recorded in the wild ever reached 900+lbs. The largest lion in the wild was 750lbs, while the largest one in captivity was 830lbs.

first of for all you guys think that a tiger could win are dumb fucks!!! the gorilla is way stronger than a tiger even if the tiger is heavier. a gorrila can lift two family cars over its head. and gorillas are just a fast as the tiger. not only that the gorilla has thumbs so it could grip the tiger n beat it to deat or bite its neck. the gorrilas bite is the same or stronger than the tiger. if you add up the facts gorrila are stronger and faster than the tiger. the only chance of the tiger winning is it comes up from behind and bites the gorrilas neck!! tigers kill bears but they dont kill the bigg bears like grizzlys or poler bears the bear is to strong for the tiger and the groilla is even stronger than the bear!! i like both animals but wen it comes dow to it the gorrila is jus to much for the tiger!!

east95 
 
 
 
can you show me a link of where scientific evidence says that a gorilla can lift two cars over its head. And I don't just mean estimates I mean real data, 
 
the fact is larger brwon bears will own the tiger most of the time and own the gorilla all the time as well as the tiger will kill the gorilla 9/10 time in a face to face fight, I believe even a smaller tiger will be too much for the gorilla, and the polar bear will kill both the gorilla and the tiger but I believe a fight between a polar and a kodiak will go to the kodiak bear. 
 
a more even fight will be black bear/jaguar vs gorilla to give the great ape a chance.

@Ty yes if you watch animal planets most extrem its says that a gorrila could lift two family cars above its head! i know your thinkin its a tv show and it doesnt mean shit!! but they are experts! my uncle worked with them!! he told me all about it! and well tigers do kill bears not brown bears but black bears!! i agree with you the tiger will get murderd agaist a grizzly or poler bear!! look we would never who would win unlees we see it with are own eyes you cant day 9/10 wen you dont know for a fact unless its a real unfair fight such as a little monkey vs a bear then of course you would say the bear!! but all im sayin is that the gorilla has more tools aganist a tiger and bear!! so it would be logical for me to go with the gorrila!! but you prob dont know very much about the gorrila if you cant add up the facts!! the gorrila has mor tools such as it stands up wen it fights so if a tiger tried to bite its neck then it could push the tiger off and it has one of the strongest bites in the animal kingdom!! has hands not paws so that would be useful!! and the gorllia is fast!! here is the tiger facts compared to gorilla it has paws witch it cant do much with that besides claw but tht does not do much damage!! and all it has now since its not stronger the same quickness and its bite is about the same or not stronger bite and its not smarter!! so all it has is its mouth witch if it tries to bit the gorilla it would most likely go for the neck and the gorrila could push it off! so its very logical to go with the gorrila! the bear is more of a chanllge but since i know the gorilla has more tools then i would have to go with the gorilla!! i dont think pepole realize that apes are one of the strongest animals.. even a 5lb could be stron!! i know a guy who got his lip tron off literly by that small monkey!! pepole underastimate them but they dont know about them!!

Just because someone or something can lift X amount of weight does not necessarily mean it is always going to prevail in a fight. It is a different skill set. 
 
Picture someone who can bench press 500lbs but has no experience in fighting go in the ring against a smaller oponent but who is a professional boxer, mixed martial artist or whatever. Who do you think is going to prevail? My point is gorillas are vegetarian (with the occasional termites and caterpillars) and therefore don't have to hunt and kill large and potentially dangerous preys to survive. This is where the tiger has a huge advantage. The tiger has more weapons (claws, bite, agility and quickness). 
 
Animal Planet "The Most Extreme" suggested that a gorilla can lift two tons (4000lbs) above its head (which is by the way NOT equal to two family cars since ONE compact car already weighs about about 3000lbs). Now I ask you this, which is easier to lift? A 100 lb barbell OR a 100 lb boulder? The barbell right because it has the appropriate handles. Now picture trying to lift a 100 lb moving boulder. Because that's how it's going to be when you're fighting a tiger. It's not just gonna stand there and wait for the gorilla to lift it. 
 

I agree for the most part with you Jo, with the exception of the strength comparison-the gorilla is no where near stronger than a Grizzly, so it isn't a stronger opponant dealing with a superior fighter-its weaker than both the Grizzly and the tiger, the tiger is stronger but the strength is in a different capacity-the delivery of that strength however is crucial to the fight, because the tiger has its arms and legs with which to use against the gorilla. The Grizzly is overall stronger than both-east95 is wrong-there has NOT been any strength tests done on a gorilla whatsoever, so if he keeps bringing the ridiculous argument of the car theory he didn't watch the entirety of the program because had he, he would have heard them say this is an estimate at best as they can't make a gorilla lift things. They also said the gorilla is about 7 to 8 times stronger than the average person and WSM competitors could actually be stronger than a gorilla and that a gorilla may only be 2x stronger than a powerlifter. Also to be noted is gorillas are placid herbivores which rely on bluffing and when that doesn't work-they move the troop-they would be way overmatched against the onslaught of both bear and tiger. Leopards according to animal planets big cat diary states that gorilla are indeed on the menu of leopards.

ATTILA, you are right, the gorilla is nowhere near as strong as most people try to make it, and indeed no strength tests have been done. Likewise, they are certainly no stronger than any lion or tiger. i think the strength of these specimens, despite the size difference, is but slight, if there`s any difference at all. 
 
A chimp, for instance, is about 2.6 - 4 times stronger than an average man. An average man can deadlift roughly 250 lbs....a man in the wsm competitions, about 900, give or take a few pounds. That is nearly 4 times as strong.....and about at the upper limit of the strength of a chimp. certainly a gorilla is stronger than that, though? 
 

east95, exactly what sort of tools are you talking about that a gorilla has that will help it against a siberian tiger? 
 
Please elaborate...

Damon-you're right on the money, WSM is about 900 lbs, a little over, a little under, so a gorilla is stronger in that event and probably others, but weaker perhaps in others, maybe, because an animal may not be willing to put itself through the process of lifting in those capacities, not because it can't, but rather because of motivation. Judge, I also agree with you, the gorilla has no more tools than tiger, lion or bear, whats more is, it relys on bluff, whereas the other 3 species actually kill things and bluff far less and use cunning, speed, stealth and strenght to overcome their opponants. Gorilla just isn't a good match.

ATTILA gorilla dont have bluff do you ever see a gorilla with bluff besides a overweight one

judge look at my paragragh i say wat he tools are and chimps are 10x stronger than a heavywiehgt boxer and i have proof

yea its a close estamite! ok kid so they are stronger than a bear or tiger and a gorilla is not 2x stronger than a power lifter its way stronger kid!!

yea gorrilas are on the menu for leapords but they fucing kill babies not full grown silver back look at animal face off the gorilla killed the leapord it broke its spine type it in on you yube

Jo it has an advatage of being stronger and gorillas have fighting exeriance they fight other gorillas and your right a tigher isnt going to sit there but but its most likely is going to go for the neck to bite the gorrila but the gorilla could easly push it off then start punding away and you said that tigers have fighting experiance but they catch prey they dont fight back jo so that gives them the uper hand i dont thin so! tigers have claws but that doesnt do good wen the gorilla could hold it down a pound irt and the gorilla is just as fast as the tiger and gorrilas have one of the strongest bites in the animal kingdom i know this doesnt have to do with fighting but groillas are smarter too this gives gorillas more tools/weapons

ATTILA humas cannot at all be even close to as strong as a gorilla ask anybody on here

east95, chimps are NOT 10 times stronger than a weight lifter......they are about 2.5 - 4 times stronger than the AVERAGE man, and indeed, i have actual proof for this. 
 
Also, a gorilla is nowhere near as strong as you make it out to be. The average gorilla has a muscle mass of about 37%....the lion, about 60%. However, most of the muscles of the gorilla are in the upper body, and i believe they are equal in strength, as compared with a lion or tiger, if but slightly smaller in weight. 
 
A gorilla also cannot beat a tiger in a fight. Indeed, there are records of gorillas being killed by leopards. The tiger is not only every bit as strong as a gorilla, they are bigger, with sharp claws, and likewise is more agile. 
 
The gorilla would be killed before it knew what happened. And, animal face-off gave some animated, unrealistic version of a simulated fight between a gorilla and a leopard. A gorilla would never attempt such a move. And, likewise, anyone who states the gorilla has stronger jaws than any of the big cats is rather wrong.  
 
 
 

damon do you know how strong a gorillas bit is?? way over a 1000 lbs about the same same as a cat! yes aanimal face off is a cartoon but these are experts that study the animal so they know thata the gorilla would win! and your right leapords kill gorillas but not full grown ones1 they only kill baby gorillas any thing is in dangour to any animal wen its a baby. yes most of the gorillas musle is in its uper body! so if a tiger or lion would it attack it it would prob try to pounce and go for the neck being stronger in the upper body the gorilla could easily push it of or block it then it the gorilla attacks may bite it or it may pound it to a bloody pulp! jus because cats wiegh more does not mean anything what so ever. they are more agile but there claws wont do much damage to a gorilla! they use it agaisnt prey but a gorilla fights back the cats legs are stronger but not the upper body do that means you cant raly do much with legs but jump but what good it that going to do/ so the gorilla to me could very easily kill a lion/tiger and chimps are 10x stronger than a heavy boxer not lifter and look at the tv show called i survied and it expines that a chimp is 10x stronger than a heavy weight boxer so gorillas have to be alot stronger!

Well, Damon, I actually do think a gorilla has stronger jaws than a leopard. Maybe a lion, tiger and jaguar over-power the gorilla in jaw strength, but I do have belief that gorillas do have stronger jaws than leopards, however, the canine bite force from the leopard may be stronger. Gorillas eat tough foods in the wild, though, so it’s not unreasonable to think so. I do think though, that it's 50/50 chance a gorilla or leopard will prevail in a fight. Leopard has agility and gorilla will rely on brute strength. The leopard has speed, just as well (speed and agility are two different things). 
 
 
 

>"Jo it has an advatage of being stronger and gorillas have fighting exeriance they fight other gorillas" 
 
Sorry but when 2 male gorillas fight over females or territories, it seldom or never result in a fatality. Like ATTILA mentioned, gorillas bluff alot. And when one of the combatants realizes that the other is more dominant, he usually runs away. Tigers, on the other hand, hunt and kill large and dangerous preys to survive. So if you compare fighting experience between the gorilla and siberian tiger, it's not even close. Tiger has way more experience.  
 
 
 
>"And your right a tigher isnt going to sit there but but its most likely is going to go for the neck to bite the gorrila but the gorilla could easly push it off" 
 
An adult male siberian tiger is heavier than an adult silverback. Tiger when standing up can reach up to 10ft while a gorilla standing up is at most 6 1/2 feet. So the tiger has the definite advantage when it comes to leverage because it's taller (on hind legs) and heavier. Therefore a gorilla can not just push off a tiger that easily. On top of that, the gorilla has to contend with the tiger's claws and bite while it's trying to push off the tiger. 
 
 
 

The gorilla's bite force is 1,200-about the same as the tigers, however the tiger is stronger, more ferocious, has claws, more agile, quicker and is larger-the gorilla would be looking for a way out of this one-it even knows its overmatched-and yes, adult gorillas are killed by leopards, not just the juvies.

Hey, and east, stop getting so cocky about gorillas. There was a mellanistic leopard who killed a silverback, a female and I forget if it was a zebra, or eland, all in the same day. Felids and bears have longer muscle fibers than gorillas, and felids also have fast twitch muscle fibers, which give them quite reflexes. They all have stronger CANINE bite forces than gorillas, and can use their jaws more efficiently in combat. Gorillas, AGAIN, only go for the face, limbs and genitalia of the animal; NEVER THE THROAT.

LOL, and east, there's no TV show on Animal Planet called "I Survived". It's called "I'm Alive" and you must be blind, because it clearly stated in words, on the chimps characteristics, that they were about 2xs stronger than the average human. My estimation for them is at 2.5xs stronger. And I must say, the strongest humans don't really get over 3.5xs stronger than the average man, which makes this a reasonable estimate for the average chimp. Who knows though, there could be body builder chimps somewhere, in the forest.............

 
 
If we managed to train chimps the same way we trained humans in athletics, it could be possible that the strongest chimps are rather up to 5 or 6xs stronger than the average human. But I doubt it's possible, because most primates are stubborn (stubbornness and stupidity are too different things). That’s the reason why you can’t toilet train a monkey and that’s why it’s even hard enough for you to keep a diaper on one for more than a couple of hours, let alone the whole day. Have you checked our species lately. They reproduce like mad and don't thin about the consequences of competition with their own species over resources as well as with other animal species. That’s what I call advanced stubbornness; not knowing when enough kids are enough. Just one or two kids is fine, but more is too much. We are a stubborn species, as a whole. That’s a general characteristic of most primates; stubbornness.

MrAlien123456 the tv show called i survived is on natinol geogragphic and im not being cocky. im just say the facts and what i think who would based on the weapons they have and im not going to fucken repate myself again the gorilla has more tools and im not sayin that the gorilla would win all the time but most becuz you say something will win unless you have seen it all im sayin is since it has more tools i think it would win and gorillas dont realy on bluff there not bears who do rellay on bluff! gorillas dont have bluff xcept a over weaight one!

gorillas go for the face and they could kill its your face you can kill right there!

show me data of a fullgrown silver back gorrila being killed by a a leaprod

Gorillas definately DO rely on bluff, and they bite the ass-you don't study too hard or you'd know that.

The same animal planet you quote from states that gorillas are on the leopards diet.

east95, where do you get your info from....some children`s book or something?...a chimp is nowhere near 10 times stronger than a heavy weight boxer. I have an actual study, where the strength of the chimp was measured.....and they were 2.5 - 4 times as strong....as compared to the average man. 
 
A gorilla is most certainly stronger.....but you greatly over estimate it`s abilities. And neither a big cats, nor a gorilla, has a bite force over 1000 lbs. Only a select few animals have been measured with such a powerful bite, such as the hyena (1000 - 2200 + lbs), the hippo (1823 lbs), the croc (2500 - 5000 lbs), and the alligator snapping turtle (1004 lbs. 
 
If anyone states the gorilla has a bite force of over 1000 lbs, they are merely expressing an estimate, not an actual fact. A lion has been measured, by Brady Barr, with a bite force of 691 lbs, though it was not quite of adult age.  
 
And, who says the gorilla is stronger than a lion or tiger in the upper body?....The gorilla only has a total muscle percentage of 37%, compared to roughly 60% for a lion/tiger. Though, to compensate, as i said, most of the muscles of the gorilla is in it`s upper body. I doubt the gorilla is any stronger than these big cats. 
 
And, a leopard has managed to kill a full grown silverback gorilla...i`m not talking of babies.  

Jo a gorilla can easily push off tiger! tigers may be heavier but by hunderd lbs or two. but thats not realy an advatage if the tiger thinks it could jus jump on the gorilla and kinda put its weight on it. idk if you know the streagth of a gorilla. it can easly lift over 600lbs and people have to agree with me on this one. so the tiger is 10 feet tall but is very unbalced wen it stands and the gorilla could go for it right there. and it the tiger tried to go for the neck the it would have to come down to bite it. witch the gorilla isnt going to sit there so is going to have these huge strong arms come at it and is going to be pushed off. and claws dont do nothing compared to hands it claws cut. and it could hold somthing like sink its claws in a person but like i said the gorilla would pound it because the arms would be down and the tigers face would be ripped of because it was open. hands of a gorilla could grip and hold it down and kill it. and jo tell me the "dangerous prey" THE TIGER KILLS. AND IF YOUR TALKING ABOUT BLACK BEARS . THEN THE GORILLA COULD EASLY KILL A BLACK BEAR. BESIDES THAT TIGERS DONT HUNT PREY THAT FIGHTS BACK. JAWS OF A TIGER AND GORILLA ARE LIKE THE SAME.I CANT BELIVE PEOPLE SAY THAT IF IT AN ANIMAL IS A CARNAVORE THEN IT HSA MORE FIGHTING EXP WITCH IS NOT THE CASE THEY KILL STUFF THAT DONT FIGHT BACK AND DONT HAVE THAT MUCH WEAPONS THEN THEM IF YOU ASK ME THATS NOT MUCH OF A FIGHT.

east95, do you even read my posts?...read them carefully, and then respond. Also, a tiger is about 7 ft tall, not 10 ft. And, it need not stand upon his legs, to fight a gorilla, though they are rather expert at fighting upon two limbs. 
 
They have been known to get the best of brown bears, such as mentioned in Clyde Beatty`s circus. A gorilla is no stronger than a tiger.

dangerous preys LIONS/TIGERS HAVE 60% SOME IN DA UPPER BODY AND SOME ITHE LEGS. THATS WHY GORILLAS HAVE MOST OF THERE MUSCLE IN THE UPPER BODY MAKING THERE UPPER BODY STRONGER THAN A TIGER/LION. LEGS CANT DO MUUCH IN A FIGHT. AND NO I DONT GET MY STUUF OUT OF CHILDERNS BOOKS I DONT READ THEM LIKE YOU DO! I GOT IT FROM A TV SHOW CALLED I SURVED WATCH IT AND IT TELLS YOU CHIMPS ARE 10X STRONGER THAN A HEAVY WEIGHT BOXER AND WHY WOULD THEY LIE ABOUT THAT? AND TELL ME THIS DATA ABOUT A LEAPORD MANAGE TO KILL A FULL GROWN MALE GORILLA. I MEAN LEAPORDS DIE FROM BABOONS THAT WEIGH 60LBS IM PREETY SURE A 450 LBS GORILLA COULD KILL IT. LOOK AT ANIMAL FACE OFF ON YOU TUBE GORILLA VS LEAPORD THE GORRILLA WINS IT BROKE THE FUCKIN LEAPORDS SPINE. IT ANIMATED BUT THESE ARE EXPERTS THAT STUDY BOTH ANIMALS AND THEY VOTE WHO WOULD WIN AND THE EXPERTS VOTED THE GORILLA. AND YOU ARE DUMB YOU COULD ASK ANYBODY ON HERE OR GO LOOK IT UP THAT TIGER AND GORILLAS HAVE A BITE FORCE OVER 1000 LBS. YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANIMALS IF YOU SAY THAT.

east95, just out of curiosity (even though i already know the answer) which of these animals has the stronger jaws between a rottweiler, pitbull, and a mastiff? 
 

A MASTIFF HAS THE STRONGEST OUT ALL 3 OF THEM AND A ROTT HAS A STRONGER BITE THAN A PITBULL.

east95, a gorilla only has a muscle mass of 37%...and, while it has a greater percentage of it`s entire muscle mass in it`s upper body, that does not mean it is stronger than a lion or tiger, both of whom has an overall greater percentage of muscle mass. 
 
A tiger`s bite force has only been recently measured (by frank mendel, the data unpublished) and no measurement yet published (no other studies exist) indicates they have a bite force of over 1000 lbs. the same goes for the gorilla or lion.

and, east95, it seems you already saw the documentary on the bite force of those dogs....am i correct? 
 
Because, any other person would have said the pitbull, which is incorrect.

YEA I SAW A SHOW WHERE WANTED TO SEE WHO BITEFORCE IS STRONGER BETWEEN A PIT ROTT AND GERMAN SHEAPERD. ROTTS HAD THE STRONGEST AND PITS HAD 2ND STRONGEST AND GERMAN SHEAPERD HAD THE LEAST STRONGEST. I DONT REMEMBER BUT I THINK I READ SOMETHING THAT A MASTIFF HAS THE STRONGEST DOG BITE. AND KNOW THAT A GORILLA IS STRONGER THEN A TIGERS. THERE MUSCLE SPREADS OUT MORE TO THERE LEGS. WITCH A GORILLAS DOES BUT NOT AS MUCH. SO YEA A GORILLA IS STRONGER IN THE UPPER BODY.

Well, actually Damon, I always thought pit-bull were a little farfetched on the strength-o-meter, and I was pretty sure there were other dogs, including the German shepherd that had stronger bites than pit-bull. I have an English mastiff, so I should know about their jaws. :P But yes, I did see that documentary about 1-1.5 years ago. I recall a guy always dressed up in a heavy pillow-like suit. The mastiff knocked him down like nothing. Although, it is correct that the average man is stronger than most breeds of dog, I will have to say; all mastiff breeds (this includes the Great Dane, as Great Danes are actually also known as the German mastiff- no real relation to the Danish), and the Burmese mountain dog have the ability to kill a human when both are in full adrenaline. Boxers are actually pretty strong dogs for their size, as well. But I have to say, mastiffs have the most compact, and one of the most muscular build of the other dog breeds. My mastiff actually has barely any fat content on him. He’s very active for his breed (usually, English mastiffs are couch potatoes), and I could actually see the muscle tone in his buttocks and forelimbs fairly well, without him flexing or standing upright.  
 

east95, actually, the pitbull had the least strongest jaws, and the rottweiler, as you rightly stated, the highest, though in another study, a mastiff had the hightes, at over 550 lbs of bite force. 
 
And, a gorilla is not stronger than a tiger. You`re making a guess on this, based on some well-known estimates concerning these animals.....but, as the animal world goes, few animals can hope to experience the strength of the tiger.

>Jo a gorilla can easily push off tiger! tigers may be heavier but by hunderd lbs or two. but thats not realy an advatage if the tiger thinks it could jus jump on the gorilla and kinda put its weight on it. idk if you know the streagth of a gorilla. it can easly lift over 600lbs and people have to agree with me on this one. 
 
Show us proof. You're just making uneducated assumptions. Do you not understand "leverage"? Have you ever tried to push back someone who is bearing down on you and who is a 100 lbs heavier and a foot taller than you? Again you overexaggerate the strength of a gorilla. Remember that a gorilla is only about 6x stronger than an average person on it's Upper Body. Gorillas legs are actually not that much stronger than an average human. And legs play a huge role when pushing or lifting something up.

>and claws dont do nothing compared to hands it claws cut. 
 
Claws cut and wound which is going to distract the gorilla. Gorilla's will have to contend with the pain that both the claws and bite deliver. That is a lot of distraction for something that is already at a disadvantage heightwise and weightwise to be able to push something off. The tiger will deliver the fatal blow before the gorilla can push the tiger off.

>and claws dont do nothing compared to hands it claws cut. 
 
Are you kidding me. I'd pick a slashing and cutting weapon (claw) over a grabbing weapon (hand) in a fight any day. If you had to fight someone with a 80-100 mm (length of tiger's claws) knife with your bear hands, who do you will come out on top? 
 

east95, do you think that typing in UPPER-CASE makes your point more valid? lol.

east95, where do you get all your erroneous information from? or are these just your assumptions?

but listen jo you have to be stupid to say a gorilla cant lift over 600 lbs heavy weight lifters are able to do that. so im sure a gorilla can. its jus simple that a gorilla is anle to do that plz someone tell jo that a gorilla is able to lift 600 lbs.

judge i would choose strong hand grip over claws that doesnt realy do any damage. i could jus grab him and beat him to death. and the claws wouldnt hep or anything would beacuse im stronger than him. if thing claws arent going to be fatal they do serouis injury but not going to be fatal. with hads i could pound you to death. HAVING HANDS THAT ARE STRONGER THEN THE OPPENET IS BETTER THEN CLAWS. CAUSE I HAVE MOR OPTIONS SUCH AS POUNDING YOU ARE GRABING A HOLD OF YOU AND DO WHAT EVER I WANT FROM THERE OR I COOULD JUS RIP OFF YOUR JAWS. YEA IF THERE WERE TWO HUMANS THAT HAD WEAONS. ONE WITH HANDS AND ONE WITH CLAWS YEA I WOULD GO WITH THE CLAWS BUT WERE NOT TALKIN ABOUT HUMANS WERE TALKING ABOUT A TIGER AND A GORILLA WITCH THE GORILLA IS STRONGER. U THINK ABOUT THAT.

NO I DONT THINK TYPING IN CAPS WILL PROVE MY POINT BETTER. I WAS TALIKG TO GIRLS ON MYSPACE WITH THE CAPS PROB SOMETHING YOU DONT DO. BUT ANYWAYS I FORGOT TO TAKE THEM OFF

East95, 
 
Like I said earlier, lifting a 100lb barbell is much eaiser than lifting a 100lb boulder. And lifting a 100lb moving boulder is a different story. THe only one who's stupid here is you. You seem to have tunnel vision and can't comprehend what other's have posted. Do you think a tiger is just gonna sit there and let the gorilla lift it?

JO I FORGOT IM HUMAN. OK IM NOT A GORILLA. IN CASE YOU HAVENT KNOWN A GORILLA IS ALOT STRONGER THAN US. SO A GORILLA CAN PUSH 200 LBS ITS WEIGHT. I MEAN ITS COMMON SENSE IDK HOW YOU DONT THINK A GORILLA CANT PUSH 600 LBS COME ON I DIDNT THINK PEOPLE WERE THAT DUMB

east95, 
 
So you think gorilla's don't feel pain? That a tiger's claws will absolutely not affect it? That it can just ignore pain and pound the tiger to death? Do you know how ignorant that sounds? Aside from the claws, the gorilla has to content with the bite. Try fending a pitbull from attacking you. See how easy that is? Let's see you try to grab it by the neck and pound it to oblivion. And a pitbull doesn't even have the sharp claws of a cat and is much lighter than an average adult man. 
 

O IM NOT WRITING BACK IM DONE WITH KIDZ WHO THINK THIER RIGHT WEN THAY ARNT. SO IM NOT WRITNING BACK JUS TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW HOPEFULY A GORILLA AND A TIGER GET IN A CAGE TOGATER ONE DAY THEN IMA THINK OF U GUYS AND BE LIKE DAM I TOLD THOSE KIDS BCUZ THE GORILLA WILL KILL THE TIGER

east95, please post hard evidence that a gorilla is stronger than a siberian tiger. because this seems to be the reasoning behind all your arguments.

Why do you keep referring to other people as kids when: 
 
1. You don't know how to spell. 
 
2. You get angry when someone disagrees with you. 
 
Sounds like you are the kid here.

east95, 
 
Looks like you're the one who needs alot of growing up to do. Start with spelling, then some anger management and finally stop watching all those King Kong movies.

ITS CALLED SLANG KIDS HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I DONT WATCH KING KONG MOVIES I LOVE TO WATCH UR MOM SUCK MY FAT LRGE DICK THO HAHAHA

How ironic. Kids usually use slang more than adults. Lol. And the kid in you comes out again. Time to take your meds.

Hey East, you just insulted yourself on that prior post. DO you know what a FAT penis is called? A chode......  
 
 
 
chode: a real or imaginary penis that is short and squat. : You wimp (East)! Get out and take your chode with you! 
 
 
 
Definition, taken from dictionary.com.......

we seem to be experiencing one of east95's full blown episodes.

east 95 you are being rediculous-I already proved you wrong on gorilla strength-they have never had a gorilla lift 2 tons before-ever, the test has never been performed, also, I've given you the data and links to support my case, all you've done is come out here with 3rd grade gorilla information-everything you've posted on them is grossly innaccurate indicating you are putting down what you think as fact. Using gang, punk slang isn't going to help your case either-it makes people not take you seriously-also, bring a dictionary with you to the computer, the English language need not be butchered as badly as you've done-furthermore; your elementary level vulgarity isn't welcome here, this is for adults this forum or people with adult mentality and maturity, not beligerant blatherskites to come on here and further their ignorance. Lastly, if you think the gorilla would win, fine, thats what this site is all about-but don't say its a fact and berrate people with vulgarity, because its your opinion-NOT a fact! In fact, more people agree with me that the tiger would shredd the gorilla.

east95, you must be out of your mind to think that the tiger's claws don't do any damage. 
 
 
 
Tigers can kill preys by swiping with their paws. A swipe is powerful enough to smash the skulls of domestic cattle. 
 

Don't be surprised Toby. We all know he's a little kid now, after that outburst. Who would take him seriously anymore? :P 
 
 
 
Apparently he believes that bears, big cats, and other larger, more apt animals for killing are not up to par with a gorilla in physical body strength......... 
 
 
 
It's pretty amusing, really.....

fuck all you that think a tiger would win. A gorrila would beat the shit out of a tiger beacuse simply its a gorrila it is way stronger then a tiger and alot bigger it would throw the stupid cat.gorrila wins tiger loses thats it fuck all you guys

GJ East, You're using a new name, just to force people to think that you didn't return to the thread you said you wouldn't. We all know it's you, East. You can't win, and profanity won't do anything, but make you sound more juvenile. I could tell it's you, by the horrible grammar that is being used......... I could tell it’s you by the anger in just that small, poorly written bundle of words you call a paragraph….. We all can see that you have s hate for big cats........

you are a moron in your theory of gorilla vs. tiger in assuming that a tiger would just pounce on a totally unsuspecting gorilla and the fight is over..I hate you, get a clue dip shit

Again, East; stop trying to trick us. Nobody would would say "I hate you" just like that. It proves you are a mere child, which East is........ 
 
 
 
You're so cool East, saying "I hate you" and "dipshit". Oh, am I scared. East is unleashing his inner beast! We are screwed........

a silverback gorilla could (with ease) beat any tiger{or bear} why? first it has teeth{and one of the most powerful bite forces on the planet) second it is dexterous third it has massive strength even playing around an example "Jersey Zoos Jambo was observed to hang from one arm (he was over 400 lbs) whilst methodically ripping over 200 ft of inner ceiling planks from the roof of the new gorilla house with his other arm (the planks were securely screwed and nailed), simply because he didn't like them."(Jonathan Wright) bears and tigers are strong and have powerful bite forces but they cant compare to the abilities of a silverback gorilla.

look i only came back on this website to see if you guys said something back. and you guys are making ur selvs look stupid. becuase thos other people agreeing with me is not me. im noot joking. those are other people atleast someone is agreeing wit me. look i like alot of animals i like about everything more than the gorilla. gorillas arnt that speacial but all im doing is saying that a gorilla could kill a tiger/bear. gorillas have more weapons then the both of them. thats all im saying doesnt mean i love gorillas and im going with them for every fight. and its funny how you guys keep on calling me a juvinile becuz u guys dont have a better comeback, and its trash talking doesnt mean i need to grow up everybody does it n how can u guys say im getting mad saying im screaming like a little kid. you cant do that through the computer KIDZ. and your momz are my hoes just had to throw that in haha but its true im ur dad its true ask ur moms ur moms are going to be like o yea that one guy with the long fat dick. and p.s. long fat dick is diferent then a chode MrAlien123456 thats what i said in my previous comment so i didnt insult myself KID. gorilla kills bear/tiger plain and simple.

and i type to fast so my words dont make sense i know

anon-"a silverback gorilla could (with ease) beat any tiger{or bear} why? first it has teeth{and one of the most powerful bite forces on the planet"-WRONG! A Grizzly has the same as a gorilla but the Grizzly is a killer and far stronger-read about it, a cub flipped over a rock with ease that 7 adult men couldn't budge, and Grizzly's subdue and kill prey far larger than themselves such as moose with powerfull blows and great technique-a gorilla is NO match for the king of predators-bears. If you studied gorillas, you'd already have came across information which Diane Flossi and Jane Goodall have written extensively about-gorillas are mostly bluff and not very much stuff-when that doesn't work, they beat a hasty reatreat as has been observed for years and documented! They are even on the leopards menu according to studies by biologists and animal planet-and the adults are targeted, not just the babies, the adult silverbacks also. Tigers bite force is likewise like the Grizzly 1,200 lbs of bite force, the same as the gorilla, but in the bear and tiger, it is a more powerfull weapon as they are apex predators and killing machines-gorillas are not, whats more, they pull each other close and bite each other on the ass(they don't conflict with other species, just with each other)and are easily killed as all apes are, and have a low pain tolerance level, bears are the tanks in the animal kingdom and can absorb tremendous damage as you can find out in by reading from author Ben East in Bears, and also the Great Bear Almanac-they have sustained damage that would've dropped most any other animal on earth and still keep comming and sometimes continue the assault on the hunter even after several shots from high caliber big bore rifles, a gorilla wouldn't phase a bear much, but rather the Grizzly would maul the hell out of the gorilla-same with the tiger-too strong, too agile and tough for the docile gorilla-they simply are no match-a lion (female as well as male) would be too much for a gorilla. 
 
Finally, on bite force, a gorilla has no where near among the strongest bite force on the planet-that distinction goes to the crocodile, then alligator, pound for pound, the Hyena has among the strongest bite force enoough to consume bone and even the teeth of its prey-the only animal on earth which can eat the teeth of other animals of size.

A gorilla has more weapons than a tiger or bear, East? OMFGLMAO 
 
 
 
Gorilla‘s natural weaponry: 
 
- Fingernails 
 
- Arms 
 
- Jaws (they barely use in confrontation with other animals, besides other apes) 
 
NOTE: GORILLAS HAVE NEVER BEEN KNOWN TO USE WEAPONS IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT; ONLY CHIMPANZEES, CROWS, AND ELEPHANTS HAVE BEEN KNOW TO HAVE SOME FORM OF WEAPON USE. 
 
 
 
I really have no clue what animal you’re thinking. Because no known gorilla has claws, or uses their jaws efficiently in combat. You may be thinking of the yeti, but aren’t those a myth? Maybe the sasquatch has a possibility of being real, but I don’t think any gorilla possesses such an array of natural weaponry, apt for killing. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
And everyone was able to tell it was you. All of the three "different" individuals you tried to portray on this thread had the same grammatical errors the same anger, and the same ignorance. Tigers have been known t kill guar, and grizzlies have been known to kill American bison. A gorilla could not accomplish any of these feats. Either one of these massive bovines would flatten a gorilla before he could even beat his chest. Face it gorillas have never been known to stay in interspecies confrontations, and would even back off from a human. I know gorillas have been know not kill leopards, but there has been a reports of a leopard which was about 1/4 the size of the opposing silverback, kill him. If leopards have been known to kill silverbacks, then how can a tiger or bear not? It's common sense. They have more muscle ass than a gorilla, as well as having more natural weaponry, equipped for killing.  
 
And yes, you did insult yourself with that idiotic comment. A long "anything" can mean it's long but if it's fat, that can make it be defined as squat. Your penis can be long, but if you say it's fat, then it probably also means it's squat, which can define as being as wide as it's length.

maybe it's time you all grow up some? putting this article back into perspective!! a cat uses sneak and back stabbing to kill. so it's possible given first strike ability they could kill an unsuspecting gorilla. but, if you were to seriously piss off the (naturally passive) gorilla in a face to face fight (cage fight) I honestly think that it could go either way! although the cat does have 5 weapons it uses very well... anyone that has ever had a dog attack them knows that you can kick them in the face and stop them in their tracks! given a serious tournament they would probably both die... I still say it would depend most on who got the luck of the draw. the cat might walk away from the fight but I can bet it wouldnt get too far before the severe blunt force trauma dropped it. you all talk about bite force this, bite force that... but that's a secondary weapon I honestly dont think it would get past the fist breaking or claw degutting that would take place long before teeth were ever involved that would decide this battle anyway! if you doubt the gorilla maybe you should take a look at the much weaker human beings that can break bones with just a single punch, the fact that they cant measure a gorilla's strength only proves the animals natural passive tendencies! but every thing has it's breaking point! I dont know of too many humans that can bend 1/2 thick rebar like its straw, so I think there is alot to be said about a gorilla's true physical strength, and how devastating that would be landed anywhere on the agile but flimsier cat body.

MrAlien123456 wen i said weapon i meant it as like there teeth or the stresght. mot as like them usung a stick in a fight sqaut is short and fat. that the whole point of saying long and idk what u mean anything can be long fuckin its long like thats the meaning so in other words i gave it to your mom good. plz show me the report of the leapord killinng the silverback gorilla. tell me why you dont think a gorilla cant take a guar or a bison. these animals are helpless. if the gorilla devloped the predatory skills it could take those animals down. dude ur so stupid those other people are not me ur making ur self look realy stupid. and who the hell gives a fuck about proper grammer out side of school. yea wen im in school ill use it but im not in english class dude so chill out. and yes a gorilla will back down from a conflict. they put fighting last but if they have to fight then they will and will become deadly. jus cuz they back down doent mean they cant do damage i mean hell bears somtimes back down from wolverines but does that mean the bear cant kill him no i didnt think so. look read my previous comment about the weapons. its telling you how the gorilla has more weapons. and how in the hell do you say that im getting angery. why cuz i typed in caps. its caps u cant tell im angery from that. look ur a dumb 15 yr old kid who does not know shit gorilla kills bear/tiger. i know u want to denay it but the gorilla has more weapons. and im not favoring any animal.

Savage ur right it could be 50/50. we wont know fosure unless they do fight. but all im saying is based on the weapons and facts its logical for me to go with the gorilla. and i hate wen kids say 9/10 that that animal is going to win. i mean come on. do you know for a fact that its going to win 9/10. no. so why would you say that.

im gay i dont know shit. im a 15 yr old dumb ass. i have a small cock. and i suck dick all the time. i like to think i know alot about animals but i dont. becuz im a dumb ass kid. my mom is a famous hoe. i love to lick her fat cock im gay im gay im gay!!!!

here is the size of my dick 8=D

im a fag who loves to jack off all the time

im a pussy. i have no friends at all. i hate my life. cuz i have man tits.

see you guys later ima go finger my pussy whole. i lick my own ass hole all the time. i should jus kill myself right now!

im not the truth im the gay kid who sits alone at lunch at school. i have no dick and my mom killed her self becuz of me i hat jo you are gay jo. so are you judge

gorillas win tigers lose. i should suck east95 s huge dick. my mom said it was huge!!

LOL HAHA 
 
 
 
I knew you'll go that far East. I fortold the future from last night, while I was cleanign my ferrets' cages. I knew it! You couldn't stand it.  
 
 
 
Being a baby gets you know where..........

I meant *nowhere*  
 
 
 
I have a headahce, so I can't think straight, today..........

And East, I don't see a problem with jacking off, in reference to the comment you posted in Attila's name. It's normal and releases sress..........  
 
 
 
I mean, unless you don't have the "thing" you say is "Long and fat".

If a tiger/lion/jaguar or a brown/polar bear does not kill a gotilla 9/10 times it will kill the gorilla 10/10 times. 
 
its that simple you know :)

ok ok I'm reading the comments and at the momment very confused, what weopons does a gorilla have that can do any damage to a tiger/bear other the it's bite? 
 
A single blow from a tiger can cripple a 400 pound dear and a brown bear with a single hit to the head/neck/back of a 900 pound moose will kill it. 
 
 
 
The gorilla only is about 350 pound how much can it handle from a tiger or a brown bear? 
 
It(the gorilla) would be dead in a few seconds and how can someone use that Most Extremme Show animal planet used to bring? 
 
That same show clearly said that the gorilla is the 8th strongest animal while tiger is the 4th so using that show is only making one contradict themselves come on. 
 
Of course I will not use that show as a good source of info. 
 
 
 

im gay im gay i dont know anything about animals

gorilla would forsure i change my mind. its to much of a beast to handle

Your stupidity and horrible grammar gives you away, once again, East.....

east, seriously 
 
gorillas are not made to fight, a tiger is born for fights. 
 
the tiger is bigger, stonger, faster, more agile, better fighter and hunter . if a leopard can kill a gorilla, you think a tiger cant? except for stamina, I cannot see another advantege for the gorilla, although ist not really an advantage, sinds the tiger will finish him right away. a gorilaa only averages about 340 pounds, it would stand 0 chance against either grizzly or tiger. both gorilla battles in WAFC the gorilla stands barely a chance. maybe black bear vs gorilla or leopard vs gorilla and then it is argueble, but siberian tiger? lets get real. 
 
this isn't even a fight, tiger wins 9 out of 10 at least.

i agree with mr animalia, the siberian tiger may not have any fighting experience with a gorilla, but the closest thing that a gorilla would incounter in the wild is a leopard or MAYBE the rare lion. A lion would make an easy meal of a gorilla so would a tiger. A gorilla is a powerful beast, but it doesnt kill for a living like the lion or tiger. All a big cat would have to do is avoid the gorillas grip and punches and get a grip around its neck or just tear it apart with its claws and thats the end for the gorilla.

funny that you are all so sure exactly how this would go down because of the experience a big cat has killing... the one thing that you all seem to be missing though, is that the cat is used to stalking and jumping it's prey! in the confrontation that this was originally posted for they are eye to eye. granted the cat does have experience killing. but how often is that against something that isnt just flat out running for its life, or completely unaware! big cats circle each other looking for a weakness in the wild, but a pissed off gorrilla is going to come at him screaming like a banshie with a haymaker! that will just freak the cat out and probably make it run! in which case the gorilla has the advantage and would probably end up jumping on his back! at the very least he is going to land one of those punches! and one of those punches into the cats body that is made to move and bend is going to do some serious damage. I have spent alot of time with feral small cats and I would personally hate to have to even consider a big one... but they arent the perfect killing machine although they are pretty good at it in their own enviroment.

I doubt a tiger will flee from a gorilla if the ape decides to stay and fight which is rather rare since gorillas have been known to move their whole entire troop when they come across a single leopard. And you need to remember that tigers and mostly the lion are the most competitive of mammals, 11-25% of male tigers are known to fight to the death for mates and lions have the highest mortality rate of all mammals when it comes to fighting over territory no matter how much he's out numbered. 
 
And lionman and Savage gorillas do not punch that has yet to be recorded. 
 
A gorilla fighting style will prove very fatal for him, when gorilla’s fight they usually grab some part of their opponents and bite the area especially the limbs, face and genitals. 
 
Now picture a gorilla some how manages to catch the much faster tiger and I'm using the Indochinese tiger to give the ape less mass to deal with (Indochinese tiger=168 kg) and grabs the tiger by one of the fore quarter and then bites him, how much damage will that cause? 
 
Now the tiger can cripple a 400 pound deer which is heavier that the 350 pound gorilla with a single blow to the side and now at the moment the gorilla is biting onto the tiger's limb is right in the path for that tiger to deliver a blow to it’s face and also remember even if you remove the tiger's claws it still as enough power to shatter an adult man's rib-cage with a single blow and after the blow just imagine the great ape’s face? 
 
And though rare some tigers have been known to get the better of adult brown bears some time in face to face encounters. And they also fight and kill the smaller bears such as black and sloth bears in face to face encounter so you can’t be saying tigers flee just because his opponent stands its ground some of the fights between tigers and the smaller bears are even on youtube so go check it out there are even some documentary upon the topic. 
 

And I guess it depends on how the tiger will see the gorilla for it to pick how it would handle it, if the tiger see the great ape as prey then it might just try to apply the throat bite but if not it will mostly try to maul the gorilla to death.

What's the outcome of a fight between a jaguar vs gorilla and black bear vs gorilla?

you guys say it will just put its mouth around the gorillas neck!! do you think the gorilla is going to let that happend. a 400 to 450 lbs gorilla not 350 can take much more power than a deer. gorillas will ri body parts off the tiger. and yes it does bite. thats how it would fight the tiger. and you guys say that a tiger has fighting exp. it realy does not. becuz it travels by its self and rarly encounters another tiger. and it kills prey. wich is weak and does not have much weapons. and they dont fight back much. so thats not a fight. thats why there called prey. the gorilla has more weapons such as one of the strongest bite forces on the planet. has thumbs wich it could grab the tiger and hold it down. and its is a pwerful beast. this has nothing to do with fighting but the gorilla is more smarter. the gorilla would prob avoid the fight. does not fight much unless provoked. and the tiger being alone in the wild prob could not afford a injury. gorillas are very underestimated on this website. tigers are beast cats. but "TO ME" the gorilla would win. but would wont know forsuer unless we see it. so theres no 9/10 becuz you dont know forsure it could be a 50/50. o and yea the gorilla wouldnt scare the tiger but i dont think a tiger would fight him. becuz like i said a alone tiger in the wild can not risk a injury. so if he saw the gorilla not giving up with out a fight then the tiger would prob avoid the conflect.

Ok, East, I understand; it's ok. You're going through your menstruation period. Every woman goes though it, monthly.  
 
 
 
So East, you're saying a gaur buffalo is weak? You're saying a bison is weak? Because that's what tigers and brown bears hunt on occasion.  
 
 
 
 
 
Animals that can defeat a gorilla in a fight: 
 
 
 
Whales 
 
Sharks 
 
Elephants 
 
Hippos 
 
Rhinos 
 
Brown bears 
 
Tigers 
 
Polar bears 
 
Black bears 
 
Lions 
 
Crocodiles 
 
Large alligators 
 
Anacondas 
 
Reticulated pythons 
 
Jaguars 
 
Leopards (50/50 chance) 
 
True buffalo and Domestic cattle 
 
Bison 
 
Equines, both wild and Domestic 
 
Tapirs 
 
Cougars (similar deal as the leopard) 
 
Camels 
 
Giraffes 
 
Eland antelope 
 
Elephant seals 
 
Leopard seals 
 
Ostrich (one kick can impair the head of a lion) 
 
Moas (if fucking humans didn't hunt them to extinction) 
 
Haast's Eagle (if we didn't kill their primary prey item, the moas) 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

The Siberian tiger has been known to attack and kill gaur. tose gaurs who are over 3000 pounds are alot bigger, faster and better armed then a silverback. a fullgrown tiger could make an easy mael out of the gorilla. 
 
same goes for the grizzly, they occasion kill bison. Both gaur and bison are far stronger then a gorilla, and they still kill them. And a gorilla much stronger then 400 pound dear? deer get killed by many predetors allright, but trust me they are quite strong. 
 
what do you have, east95?

yea i gorilla is stronger than a 400 lbs deer. why would you even ask me that? how is a bison and gaur stronger than a groilla? they throw there weight into stuff. that doesnt make them strong. they dont have weapons at all xcept for there horns. they dont have the strongest bite with 2-3 in k9s. they dont have smarts. they dont have thumbs that could make them grip. they are strong but wouldnt say its stronger than gorilla. weight is nothing. Gaur and bison weigh more than a bear. but is the bearr tiger weaker than both of them? and are you trying to argue with me? becuz you wouldnt want that jus ask MrAlien123456. its your opinion. o in the other link you in bear vs gorilla you said poor gorilla do you not kike them or something and want them to lose? i like the bear and tiger more than the gorilla but i think the gorilla would win. so im not trying to say the gorilla will lose becuz i like the tiger and bear more than it.

i meant to say one of the strongest bites.

MrAlien123456 your name tells me everything. you play video games all day with your faggot friends all day. and im not a women at all your mom would know about that. jus ask her what went inside her in 1994.

east95 
 
 
 
I don't get your case you claim tigers do not fight but yet they have a far higher mortality rate than gorillas. And while 11-25% of tigers do die because of fighting silverbacks hardly ever kill each other in a fight and holding any bigcat can be very dangerous unless you want to be maul to death. 
 
And gorilla's rarely reach over 400 pound they just don't get that big. 
 
The fight is between an average tiger and an average gorilla not a larger than normal gorilla against the average tiger. 
 
And are you calling mother brown bears weak? 
 
Tigers mostly kill the cubs of brown bears but ask yourself this how does the tiger get to the brown bear cub when it's mother is protecting it? 
 
It takes alot of power and bravery to drive away a mother bear from her cubs and sometime even male bears know better to stay away from the mother brown bear. 
 
As well as the smaller bears black and sloth are far from weak for a black bear cub was able to lift a rock back handed with just ONE paw that was only 50-100 pound lighter than the weight of the average male gorilla so what if the black bear was an adult and not a cub? And even if the gorilla was 500 pounds his fighting technique would still prove useless against the tiger. 
 
But I will say if a tiger met the gorilla in the wild it would not fight it but in an enclosed area the tiger and again I use the smaller Indochinese tiger will kill the gorilla most of the time. 
 
And I'm pretty sure I said the tiger would maul the gorilla if he did not see him as prey and not apply the throat hold on him. And I will add this it as been said that a single blow from a tiger can cause a fair amount of damage to 1000 kg gaur the gorilla at only 159 kg and if you want compare a 227 kg gorilla which as only happened once in the wild before. 
 
And the gorilla is not underestimated or anything the guy you creates the fight just like to add miss match fights is all. 
 
If the fight was between a polar bear and a tiger no matter what tiger it is then I would no doubt say the tiger is as good as dead but it's not because I favor one animal over the other but I believe thats really how the fight will end based on how the animals live in their own environment and as well as interspeices conflict and many other factors and yeah I do believe the tiger would kill the gorilla 9/10 times in a face to face encounter if you don't agree thats fine I understand how you would want to defend your fave animal so no need to get upset and do that childish thing you have been doing and using other people names.

Wait, you are talking about a 200lb sloth bear! that hardly seems the same fight! I havent found any recordings of tigers beating full grown bears without using the cat like skills they are so famous for. which are mostly hit and run! and you all seem to love to confuse the issue by comparing a gorilla fight with a 3000lb 4 legged animal! which are one of the things cats have honed their skills for! this is what cats do! and I am not saying that the tiger wouldnt win! what I am saying is more than likely the tiger would lose as well. also if you look at any gorilla attacks you will see them flailing their arms this is still a very powerful punch... unless you are equating a punch to a boxer which would be accurate hitting! (if gorillas were truely aggressive I am sure they would, but they are not!) the point being it doesnt have to be accurate, with the strength of a gorilla even a glancing blow could cause irreperable damage to the tigers internal organs/bones. you might like to think that cats are solid muscle and cant be hurt... but, they are not! the thing that keeps them dexterous and flexible is the thing that is their greatest weakness. this is why a dog can kill a cat by shaking it or throwing it against an inmovable object trying to shake their claws loose, or in a gorillas case maybe a tree or the ground, even a good sized bear hug would crush internal organs. the fact that a gorilla wouldnt be something a tiger has face to face experience with would be the gorilla's greatest weapon. we arent talking about having a tiger drop out of a tree and killing the gorilla or ripping it's insides open and walking away till the gorilla is half dead! we are talking face to face fighting. and I am sure a good sized bear equally pissed off would make a more than formidable foe for a tiger in a face to face fight! The Fact Being when you take away the cats sneaky tricks and have an aggressive foe, cats lose most of their advantage, because that is their killing experience.

Its all so true, a tiger would kill a gorilla, but not cuz i like it more either, cuz that is how they are and thats how they act. A tiger is a very powerful big cat and a gorilla is the most powerful great ape. But the average tiger would kill the average gorilla more then the other way around. And in the wild if a tiger and gorilla were to see or smell each other, it all depends on what the condition of the animal is in and how it would react. A tiger might go and hunt the gorilla and it might not. Put them in an encloser and the tiger will win most of the time.

Gorilla's do not punch and a 120 pound black bear cub can easily move a rock that is close to the weight of a male gorilla and may I remind you that was a cub so what do you think adult black bears are capable of and go look for a show named Tiger Kill, where it shows a female bengal tiger scaring off a an adult black bear and no one said a tiger could kill a brown bear I just said the tiger have been known to get the better of them in some occasions in face to face conflicts. 
 
And no we are talking about face to face so there is no way a tiger would fall out of the tree to kill a gorilla where do you get that from tigers aren't even good climbers nor do they hide in trees and kill prey. 
 
There is no historical proof that gorilla's punch when they fight unless you can show me of even a video if you like and if you contact gorilla experts they will let you know that when gorilla's fight they grab a body part of their opponents usually the limbs and bite it, in any case that will not do much damage to a tiger at all for as I pointed out earlier the tiger will literally slap the gorilla's face off or even break the ape's jaw and after that the gorilla would be done because it’s main way of attacking is gone due to the broken jaw. 
 
 
 
Ok so you are talking about killing experience have you ever seen male tigers fight for mates, do they sneak up on each other? 
 
Have you seen lions fight and may I remind you lions and tigers are the most aggressive carnivorous mammals there are, no other animals are willing to fight to the death so saying a cat's sneaky tricks gives it all the advantage is just rubbish. In Tiger Kill the tigress did not sneak up on that black bear it was face to face and the black bear had fled, 
 
And you claim that because a tiger is build for taking down Bovinae and deer that gives the gorilla an advantage? 
 
A gorilla sees a single leopard and moves his troop, how would the gorilla know how to fight the tiger when it won't even face a leopard? 
 
And no said or even implied that tigers have hard muscle or anything so I have no idea where you get that from. And further more even if gorillas did punch tigers are just way too fast for them to keep up with. The tiger would at least kill the gorilla 9/10 times and I still am only talking about an Indochinese tiger. And gorilla’s are just not aggressive enough in a caged fight if it was up to the animal to pick when the fight would start the gorilla would avoid the tiger at all cost and the fight would only begin when the big cat gets hungry so poor gorilla. 
 

Although you do prove a good point Sabre, wolverines and badgers are actually the most aggressive kinds of Carnivorans out there. The Honey badger was rated as number one most fearless animal on the planet, in the Guinness Book of World Records.

Also the Tasmanian Devil has to be up there as well.

east95, actually, a gaur is indeed stronger than a gorilla. Few animals would want to tangle with a gaur. I`ve seen a bull, which is smaller and most certainly weaker than a gaur, nearly overturn a car. It just rammed the car and really just put a big crater in it. 
 
A gaur is immensely strong...even tigers rarely mess with them, though, of course, they can, and indeed DO sometimes hunt them. 
 
The big cats (the lion and tiger) is the most aggressive of the carnivora family, with the higher testosterone level, and, in at least one study, shown to have the greatest percentage of muscle mass as compared with any other mammal in the study. 
 
A gorilla also cannot rip the limbs from a lion or tiger. That`s bull. These big cats are every bit as strong as a gorilla. Not only that....they have long sharp claws and stronger jaws as well. The gorilla does have a high sagittal crest, but the actual jaws on these specimens are rather short, and the design tells me the jaw strength of these specimens would be less than that of the lion or tiger.  
 
There is absolutely no way a gorilla could kill a lion or tiger. Not only that...these big cats are much more agile.....they would easily be able to do a neck bite, if they so chose. A gorilla in a fight with a lion or tiger would be doomed.

I agree with Damon. A lion or a tiger would be too much for a gorilla. The great ape is indeed incredibly strong. But, he lacks the fighting skills of the big cats. However, a silverback gorilla would make short work of a leopard, a puma, or a jaguar. Also, some of the smaller tiger subspecies are no match for a bull gorilla. Only the Siberian tiger, Bengal tiger, and lion might kill a bull gorilla, as they are bigger than the great ape.  
 
The strength of the gorilla is unknown. There is only speculation. But, from what I have seen and read, the gorilla might be, pound for pound, on a level similar to a grizzly which is far stronger than a lion or a tiger.

I realize that you are voicing your opinion (and opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and some of them stink! Yes, I did have to point that out!)  
 
you seem to be missing the whole point, is it possible that the gorilla is weaker? maybe... but if you enrage a gorilla you are not dealing with the run of the mill beast.  
 
the tigers body is softer that plays a roll because any blows that the gorilla lands on it will cause damage not just on the outside... it's not just going to bruise and say owww! it would be kinda like getting hit by a point on a car bumper at 25 mph it is going to do internal damage, and guess what, even if you only get hit by one of those in the head! it is at the very least going to ring your bell, if not crush something or worse. problem is the passive gorilla would probably let the cat revive, but the cautious cat might not go back for more. 
 
you really need to do more research because just about every one of the gorilla attacks involve punches (go look at your video's again) Also note that these punches arent meant to do any damage! thats why they all look like they are in slow motion. they are warnings because the gorilla really and truely is a passive creature! why do you think they cant rate a gorilla's strength?  
 
 
 
as for falling out of the tree... are you serious? do you have comprehension issues? ok, i'll point it out again! cats have been in the fight game a long time! they will SNEAK up on prey, or Jump out at them, almost always attacking from the rear or even Slash the animal, and wait until they are weak enough to kill, there is a whole emotional and physical consideration.  
 
you all talk like the tiger is the end all be all... a truely great killer yes, and like a truely great killer it wont confront something when it may get hurt! (unless it gets pissed, then it makes mistakes) that is why they fight to the death! it isnt like they think about it and say "Hey, I am going to fight to the death!" they take and do alot of physical damage in their blind rage! on the occassion when the cats "seriously" fight how many times do both cats die? (even if its a week after one walks away) the gorilla is a passive animal it doesnt kill for food but I am sure there are plenty of things that get it pissed enough to fly off in a rage! let's try this again... an enraged gorilla wouldnt grab the cats toenails and chew on them! it wouldnt be pleasant and nice like it is with the members of it's own kind! they are quick and reasonably fast and I believe they would try to inflict all the damage they could while enraged! but their MO is to bluff, to make what ever is pissing them off go away! to get them to the point where they would "fight to the death" is the only way you could possibly compare the two in a battle. what part of this are you not understanding? just because the beast doesnt come out, doesnt mean it isnt there! if you handicap one or the other is it a fair contest?

There is no historical proof that gorilla's punch when they fight unless you can show me link or even a video if you like and if you contact gorilla experts they will let you know that when gorilla's fight they grab a body part of their opponents usually the limbs and bite it, in any case that will not do much damage to a tiger at all for as I pointed out earlier the tiger will literally slap the gorilla's face off or even break the ape's jaw and after that the gorilla would be done because it’s main way of attacking is gone due to the broken jaw. But I will give you a link to a site that will clearly state what gorilla’s use to injure each other when they fight. 
 
http://www.berggorilla.de/english/faq/dvers/fragen/kampf.html 
 
There is just no competition and I still use the indochinese tiger which is smaller that both Bengal and Siberian as well as the male lion as I said to give the great ape less mass to deal with. 
 
How many gorilla's have died after a fight with another gorilla even if it takes a few days for the gorilla to die after the fight? How many exactly? Can you give a range? For if you read some of my previous comments I gave a range. 
 
I'm pretty sure an enrage silver back would go all out on a trespassing male who wont flee form a bluff with their tree trunks like arms and their strong bite force they rarely ever cause enough damage to kill each other so what makes you think an enrage gorilla will do any serious amount of damage to a tiger. The tiger body is softer ok Prove it give a link to back it up or something?  
 
All the tiger needs are its claws and that’s enough to overwhelm the great ape.  
 
‘’as for falling out of the tree... are you serious? do you have comprehension issues? ok, i'll point it out again! cats have been in the fight game a long time! they will SNEAK up on prey, or Jump out at them, almost always attacking from the rear or even Slash the animal, and wait until they are weak enough to kill, there is a whole emotional and physical consideration.’’ What a pile of crap, hey can you give me the link of where you got this so called info from? Lol tigers slash , then leave and come back when the prey is weaker you seriously have to tell me where you got this from. 
 
And the tree jumping thing, I think you need to look up the hunting methods of the different big cats, tigers have yet to be recorded jumping from a tree and kill anything, I've seen a Leopard do it before and killed a giraffe calf but never a tiger. 
 
But I figure you might not look so I was kind enough to post a link of the ways tigers kill prey and I assure they do not hit and run that’s a load of bull. 
 
http://www.tigersofindia.com/hunting-methods-of-tigers.php 
 
And no said the beast isn’t inside the gorilla it’s just not that of an aggressive animal. It won’t fight a leopard then it won’t even want to be in the same area as the tiger the gorilla just don’t stand a chance. And just as how they are having problem when it comes to rate the gorilla strength same goes for the big cats and bears for all these talk about being X times stronger than the average human is just estimates any real research as yet to be done to measure the actual strength. 
 

You will take notice here that they put the gorilla up against a Siberian tiger. The BIGGEST of the big cats. Why? Because they were very unsure of the cat winning this fight.  
 
The Siberian tiger, Bengal tiger, or a lion could usually win this face-off. All three cats are bigger than the gorilla. But, there are smaller subspecies of tigers that are no bigger than a jaguar. The gorilla could defeat a smaller tiger, a jaguar, a leopard, or a puma in probably 8 out of 10 matches.  
 
Someone here claimed that a gorilla will run from a leopard. Wrong! Researches in the field claim that the silverback will not back down from anything. This includes leopards and poachers. I do not believe that a leopard would attack a bull gorilla. They go after females and juveniles.

Toby, even after i keep telling you the siberian is not the biggest cat, you still spout the same garbage. A total of about 20 specimens were weighed by scientists in recent years, the heaviest being 250 kg (550 lbs), the average being but slightly over 180 kg.

I don't care which tiger is the biggest. There really isn't enough size difference to claim either as being the biggest. What I am saying is, most anywhere you read claims the Siberian as being the biggest of the big cats. This is why they decided on the Siberian tiger to fight the gorilla and the grizzly. To give the big cat every advantage.

Yet the tiger does not have every advantage over the grizzly. Actually very little.

I figure that a lion or a tiger 500 pounds or heavier could probably win about 8 out of 10 fights against a 400 pound bull gorilla. Any cat less than 500 pounds would likely be pounded into the moist jungle floor.

Sabre if you didnt read my privous comment i said that the gorilla is not my fav animal. i like the tiger and bear more. so im not defending it becuz its my fav animal. it is not even close of being my fav animal. but onxe a again you never seen a tiger fight a gorilla so its not 9/10. its a 50/50. alright. to you the tiger would win.but to me the gorilla would win. everybodys choice on this websit is a opinion. and the only reson im talking crap to other peoples name is becuz they were talikng crap to me first. so they are the childeren.

Sabre you said that the gorillas move to there troops wen they see a leapord but that doesnt mean it cant kill it. most animals that are bigger and stronger than us are scared of us. but that doesnt mean they cant kill us. the gorilla could easily kill the leapord. and yea you said a black bear could very easily lift a adult male.this is true. most of these animals on this website could easily lift each other. they can lift alot more than there body weight. but a gorilla could easily lift a black bear to. so wats your point

damon you are wrong any of these animals lion,tiger,bear and gorilla could easily rip each other limbs off. they have the streaght to do that. i agree the gorilla lacks fighting skills.but the tiger doesnt have much wen they are only killing prey. each of thses animals could rip each others limbs off.

Sabre, I realize that you are so desperate to prove your point that you will use mumblings of intellectual influences to do it, but it does not change the truth in any manner or fact. and at some point if you are willing to discuss it, I may entertain the thought again. 
 
I do find it chilling that your "Proof" goes on to prove what I have said though... 
 
 
 
now in the little research I have done... (because I have much more pressing matters) if someone can find a newer report written by  
 
Thomas Breuer of the Wildlife Conservation Society in which he states that the great apes actually do use tools, most succinctly a branch as a weapon, I am sure this would change the odds a little bit in the gorilla's favor. not to mention that using a weapon proves that the gorilla is HITTING his opponent. (btw, that disproves that the bite is its only attack for those of you not paying attention)  
 
being a pacifist the gorilla isnt trying to do damage to its foe, it mearly wants its own way (a trait among humans as well, as I am sure you have noticed by some of the people in this forum)  
 
to get a passive gorilla or human to fight to the death would be a major feat! so to compare the two you would have to take that into consideration as well. and unlike the tigers 30% kill ratio on other tigers and 60% kill ratio in the following 2 weeks. the gorilla isnt likely to kill anything but a banana tree! and it does it with great ease! (like it has been doing it all it's life or something) 
 
if you were to force a tiger and gorilla in the same area, I am sure one would be pretty freaked out (or the gorilla would be very cold and want to die) the gorilla would simply not like his new neighbor take the family and move away! that makes no note worthy mention of the gorillas fear or bravery it also plays no particular role in the gorilla's ability to fight. if that is not clear hitch a ride on the short bus and they will explain it in a way that I am unable to.

But east I never talk crap to you and you still used my name but as I said before if you don't agree thats just fine with me. And also you have never seen a fight between these animal so you also cannot cliam it would be a 50/50. And I said the tiger would win because it as many advantages but like I said if you dont agree fine. 
 
 
 
The average male gorilla is only about 350 pound and they rarely ever make it to over 400 as well as reaching the 400 pound mark in the wild. The average Indochinese tiger is larger than the average male gorilla. 
 
There as never been any record of any gorilla pounding anything including another gorilla into the ground in a fight, most gorillas that do happen to get wounded in a fight is usually caused by a bite to one of the fore arms and as I have pointed out before this will be very fatal when fighting a lion/tiger and again I am referring to the Indochinese tiger to give the great ape less mass to deal with. 
 
And most lion, Bengal tiger and Siberian tiger population do not make it over 500 pound so the claim that any cat less 500 pound will lose is crap.  
 
And gorilla will usually retreat from a threat rather than fight back, AND a fight will only happen if the threat is closer that expected and if bluffing does not work BUT even so the fight would be between one leopard and a silver back with a few black backs to help him for one of the role of young males in a troop to help protect the family and that is not a fair fight. 
 
In favor of the gorilla he would lose most of the time fight with an Indochinese tiger and is virtually doomed against the bigger tigers and the lion as well as with the brown/polar bears, Gorillas are great animals and all but even they have limits just as the bigcats have their limits with brown/polar bears.  
 

Most big powerful men are gentle natured and freindly. They can afford to be. It is the little guys who are cocky. 
 
In the jungle, nothing wants to pick a fight with a bull gorilla. Of the six tiger subspecies, there are only two big enough to challenge a gorilla. The Siberian and the Bengal. Either of these along with the lion could likely kill a bull gorilla. But, toss in a lesser tiger, a leopard, a jaguar, or a puma, and the gorilla will prove himself the king of the jungle.  
 
About 1,000,000 years or so ago, Gigantopithicus blacki could likely take out any big cat.

Savage just check out the site 
 
http://www.berggorilla.de/english/faq/dvers/fragen.html 
 
and your claim of tigers having softer bodies? 
 
As well as tigers jumping from trees to kill anything shows just how little you know of each animal and what about your punching theory care to back it up and again I as please check out the site and look specifically under the Sub Heading Do Gorillas Frequently Fight and look at what cause the injures in most gorilla to gorilla fight.  
 
 
 
Oh yeah and no said because the gorilla moves his troop that means he's afraid it just means he want to keep his family safe and nothing more so please stop miss interoperating what I have said. 
 

east95, can you rip the arm or leg off of another person of your height and weight?....I doubt it. i can`t...and i`m pretty strong myself. 
 
A lion or tiger does not even have any hands to grip with....but, they may be able, through some lucky event, bite the limb of a gorilla or other carnivora. 
 
How can an animal have the strength to rip the limbs off an animal of roughly equal strength? 
 
But, explain to me, in your words, how a lion or tiger could rip each other`s limbs off.  
 

i think the gorilla would rip the tigers limbs off. they have a advantage of doing this. the only way of a tiger rip limbs off is it holds down with its paws and with its mounth it will rip them. almost like a dog chewing a bone. but the gorilla is not going to stay still for that. and the gorilla has two ways of doing this. 1 like the tiger did the gorilla could do the same. 2 the gorilla has hands and thumbs could easily hold the tiger down and rip the limbs off. but i think the gorilla would most likly would rip the jaw off. i know chimps are different then gorillas. but they fight some what alike. there have been cases where chimps have rip off the jaws of humans. and even the the tigers jaw is alot stronger then a humans i think the gorilla is strong eneough to rip it off.

“I do find it chilling that your "Proof" goes on to prove what I have said though... “ 
 
Ok this is coming from some one who is unaware that tigers and many other big cats use the throat hold when they want to take down very big prey this is coming from some one who claims tigers slash their victim and wait till they are weak enough to kill them ok. 
 
http://www.livescience.com/animals/050929_gorilla_tools.html 
 
You may have gotten your info from here I don’t know but read it again and it clearly states that the majority of tool usage by gorillas is directly related in obtaining food it said nothing about using tools in a fight in the wild. 
 
In favor of the gorilla he would lose most of the time fight with an Indochinese tiger and is virtually doomed against the bigger tigers and the lion as well as with the brown/polar bears, Gorillas are great animals and all but even they have limits just as the bigcats have their limits with brown/polar bears.  
 
 
 
And I might add even if it did while using a big tree branch it might only slow its reaction time and giving the tiger a chance to kill it even fatser. 
 
And I think you might want to re-read my comment as i have said before if you put a tiger and a gorilla and a tiger in an enclosed area a fight wuold only start if the tiger get hungry meaning I hope you get this niehter aniaml would want to start the fight if it were up to them and the gorilla would be trying to defend itself form the hungry tiger.

well first of all no i cant rip someone limbs off. but becuz im human. gorillas,tiger;lions and bears have the streagth to do this. wight and has nothing to do with the limbs being ripped off. animals are way times stronger then there own body weight. animals have the streagth to do. like its easy to understand.

east95, a lion, tiger, gorilla, bear or whatever could rip the limbs off a much weaker animal, but not one of equal, or near equal strength. I could most certainly rip the limbs off a rat, because they are MUCH smaller and weaker, and i have the strength to do it.  
 
Also, a gorilla could not rip th arms off a lion or tiger. these animals are not only larger, but every bit as strong, and possibly stronger. One study indicates the gorilla may be roughly 10 times as strong as the average man.....easily as strong as a lion or tiger. certainly, a gorilla cannot rip the limbs off an animal which is just as strong?

Sabre, your right! infact you are so right no one else could be anything but wrong, infact you are so right even right people are wrong around you! btw, what's a cat? I dont even know what a cat is!! 
you know more about cats than even cat's do! you must be a cat whisperer.  
I am only assuming that you understand my meaning, had I known you were a kid I wouldnt have tried so hard. 
 
and btw, damon two creatures of the same strength could rip the arms off each other... kinda like ripping the leg off a chicken you gotta twist it! LOL

Well, I actually rather go for the 8xs stronger mark, as saying 10xs as strong is a little over the top. And East, by the looks of it, you favor the gorilla over any other animal. I remember, as one of the "mystery" posters that you illustrated that a tiger was a "Stupid cat". No other creature, is as dull as you and would use such offensive language towards an animal, opposing a gorilla. As Damon said before, the muscle mass of a tiger and lion are close to 60% of their total body weight, but I remember somewhere, it was more around 58%. A gorilla has a muscle mass of about 36%. NO COMPARISON. Even at equal size, both of these felids have more muscle mass than a gorilla. Now, compare a 400lb gorilla to a 400lb lion. The lion or tiger, in this case would have approximately 230-235lbs of muscle mass, while a gorilla will only have about 144lbs of muscle. The gorillas jaws are TOO blunt, in comparison to those of a bear or a felid, to be very efficient in combat. Their jaws will definitely do substantial damage to a human, but to a large felid, like a tiger lion; not so much…… Why are apes stronger than humans? They have longer muscle fibers; not necessarily just them have a larger muscle mass to body ratio, by themselves. Felines have long muscle fibers too, and have fast twitch muscle fibers, which serve them an agility advantage, in combat. And East; do not deny it, because I recall you stating that a gorilla was more agile than a tiger or lion, which is showing complete ignorance. Felids have a more slender frontal view because they have no collar bone and their shoulders instead of being spread out, are closer to their chest. And East; tearing off limbs? LOLZROFLMAO 
 
You’ve been watching too much King Kong; haven’t you? Could I tear off the limbs of a dog of similar size? No. You may be able to break the limbs of a 13lb dog, but a dog much larger; not so much…….. What Damon said; the smaller you go, the easier it is to break limbs, and arthropods break limbs easier than vertebrates because they have no hard, durable, internal bone structure.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
MALES of each species (or subspecies): 
 
 
 
 
 
Eastern Gorilla (species)-  
 
Average weight: 350- 400lbs 
 
Average height: 4.75- 5.5 feet: No visible tail 
 
 
 
Western Gorilla (species)-  
 
Average weight: 300- 375lbs 
 
Average height: 4.5- 5.25 feet; No visible tail 
 
 
 
African lion/ Bengal tiger (subspecies/variations)-  
 
Average weight: 400- 425lbs 
 
Average length: 5.5-6.5 feet (body); 2.5-3.5 feet (tail) 
 
 
 
Siberian tiger (subspecies of tiger)-  
 
Average weight: 415- 450lbs 
 
Average length: 5.5-7.5 feet (body); 2.5- 3.5 feet (tail) 
 

Lol I'm the kid ok ok  
 
so I guess tigers do jump from trees to kill their prey as well as they hit and run ok fine. 
 
And that all the gorilla experts are wrong when they say that most injures are due to biting fine. 
 
As well as using tools to fight ok 
 
And that cats have really soft bodies I'm sure they do but I have yet to come across any data that says this but yes I'm the kid even though I did not make all those mistakes.  
 

When you don't have anything to say some people will usually resort to name calling. 
 
Where does it say that cats have soft bodies or that gorilla’s punch or the so called killing technique you described when tigers hunt? 
 
Just give a link ok  
 
If you don’t have anything else to say that’s also fine. 
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZItE4FQU784 
 
Savage is this the fight you are talking about then if it is I have nothing to say to that someone here as already cleared that up. 
 
By Balazs and Balazs also gave the expert Dian Fossey. 
 
''Yes, I know that video about the two silverbacks. It is quite obvious that this was not a serious fight but only a minor squabble between two big males belonging to the same family group. The relaxed attitude of the other, younger group members reveals that this was not a major confrontation. In serious territorial fights, which occasionally occur between males belonging to different groups, the main injuries are caused by biting. Read what Dian Fossey wrote about such inter-group fights, and you'll see that. In serious fights, gorillas grab their opponent and start biting it. This is why the gorilla's chest and abdomen would be inevitably exposed to the tiger's claws. Not because the gorilla would behave passively (as you asked) but precisely because its method of active fighting would bring it close to the tiger's claws. It would be logical if a fighting age took advantage of its long arm and rained blows at its opponent while keeping it at arm's length, yet gorillas, orangs and chimpanzees do the very opposite: they reach out, grab the opponent and drag it close enough to bite it.'' 
 
Disagree with it if you want. 
 

Savage, i`m about the same strength as my bro, perhaps a lil stronger, and yet, i can`t rip his arms off. It seems your reasoning is rather wrong. It is next to impossible to rip the limbs of a creature whose strength is virtually equal to yours.....and, this applies rather you are human, or an animal in the wild. 
 
And, i`m sure no one would let you twist there arm off....and of course, animals are not intelligent enough to try it.  
 
I would like to see a lion rip the limb off another lion, or a gorilla rip the limbs off another gorilla.  
 

MrAlien123456 wtf are you talking about i never called a tiger a stupid cat.

MrAlien123456 i said a gorilla was more agile than a grizzly bear you dumb ass. get your facts straight. ayy ask your mom about how long my cock is. she is gunna say HUGE! thats how you were born little man. hahaha i dont even watch kin kong movies. someone already said that joke wch isnt even funny. get some better jokes.

damon eqaul strength has nothing to do with anything. yea if the animal is bigger than it is harder to rip off. but idk why your saying strength

humans are the strongest living thing on the planet. the average huma is 30x stronger than the average human! we are beast. but im jus playing but how strong are we? are we preety strong or are we weak? jus wondering. answer plz

we are indeed the strongest beast on this planet! what other animal has the ability to move a mountain in an instant or travel past the speed of sound? or destroy a planet in a few hundred years. 
 
btw, have you ever tried to pull your brothers arm off? try the twist and see if that works! LOL 
(disclaimer: if he tries it, it isnt my fault, because he isnt as smart as an animal?) 
 
now, I have never said a tiger wouldnt win, infact I have said quite the opposite. you really need to put my words back into context before you start living or dying by them. like the "cat tricks" I never said Tigers jump out of trees I generalized cats! and they do jump out of trees and off cliffs very well. most of the cat tricks are underhanded in the animal world! they can see in the dark! that has to tell you something and what's worse is that I cant believe I have to sit here and explain that! 
and yes, I saw that video of the gorilla punching, I have also seen gorillas attacking with a haymaker. and my point was and still is that they are not attacking to cause serious damage! a further point would be that the only injuries that are seen after a fight are the ones that leave marks! you cant see internal trauma. (not that the gorillas are trying to achieve that because again... they are pacifists! and just like the experts have stated in the past! gorilla's do not use tools! (how many times have you heard that?) maybe more precisely is that gorilla's had no need to use tools! and their studies didnt see them using them do it, so... "It didnt happen" have they ever encountered a gorilla killing another gorilla? can you find record of it? do they know how it was done? or do they pick through the remains and say "he was bitten to death!" its called critical thinking you will learn it a little later on (I hope) 
btw, I dont recollect calling you names! and I am smart enough to know that only someone lacking! uses that approach because they are not smart enough to reason through it, or just have a lack in vocabulary to state it any other way.

East; you did call the tiger a stupid cat, when you used one of mystery posters, trying to get us to think is was totally different person, when you actually disguised yourself as three different individuals, one after the other, stating how a gorilla would win. Who else has such horrible grammar? Who else uses profanity in such a naive way? You, the beast of retardation.

MrAlien123456 your so stupid. i never said. are you on crack? you prob are. and your mom is the beast of hoes and sluts.

Yes you did; why don't you scroll a little up. Or better yet, I’ll give you some quotes from earlier, since I realize that I’m dealing with an invalid, that has short-term memory loss, Turret’s, and is a child that makes the lamest jokes I ever heard about my mother.  
 
 
 
EXACT quotes from posts that you tried convincing other people that they came from “other individuals“, who had no relation to you (failed miserably, because of the grammar and anger depicted in both of those posts), earlier in the thread: 
 
 
 
"fuck all you that think a tiger would win. A gorrila would beat the shit out of a tiger beacuse simply its a gorrila it is way stronger then a tiger and alot bigger it would throw the stupid cat.gorrila wins tiger loses thats it fuck all you guys"  
 
Posted @ Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:06 PM by Gorrilazkickass  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
"you are a moron in your theory of gorilla vs. tiger in assuming that a tiger would just pounce on a totally unsuspecting gorilla and the fight is over..I hate you, get a clue dip shit"  
 
Posted @ Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:39 PM by dale macusick  
 
 
 
 
 
Both are you, because both use incompetent grammar, right after you stopped posting, and both have an aggressive tone, like they were recently arguing with someone they indicated that they “hate”. 
 

MrAlien123456 AGAIN YOU ARE MAKING YOUR SELF LOOK STUPID. I SWARE TO GOD ON THE BIBLE THOSE OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT ME. SO GET IT THROUGH YOUR BIG ASS HEAD.

THEY BOTH USE ANGER CUZ THEY KNOW THAT A GORILLA WOULD WIN AND KIDZ ON HERE ARE SAYING THAT A TIGER WOULD WIN. TEY ARE NOT ME SO GET IT THROUGH MAN FOR REAL. YOU ARE ON CRACK. AND YOUR THE ONE WHO HAS LAME JOKES! I HAVE GOOD ONES. AND YOU HAVE BAD COMEBACKS.

Ha-ha, East; I know you're stubborn, and despite not anyone else realizing it, I can EASILY tell those posts were from you. They spell like they came off the street (like you do), and your jokes are LAME. If I actually wanted to make myself look like a fool, passing out cheap wisecracks, I would, but I'm not stupid, and don't solve my problems with profanity and imbecilic remarks, because I can resolve my problems without a cheap excuse of words. If I were to ask ANYONE on the planet, most people will agree with Jo, Damon, I, and almost everyone else on this thread that a tiger or lion will destroy a gorilla. Do you think gorillas have fast enough reflexes to dodge a lunge from a big cat? Most likely, the ape will charge as well, and the cats forceful power from its hind legs also attribute to the power used in the jump. DO you actually think gorillas can jump? NO. Gorillas are more agile than bears? No. Gorillas are faster than bears? HELL NO. I see, by your complete ignorance, that you think the stronger the animal is, the more it can resist force. To some extant, yes, but a gorilla doesn’t have much power in it’s hind legs, and most of it’s power is attributed into it’s upper body and arms. AGAIN. A big cat or bear of the same size will have more muscle mass than a gorilla.  
 
 
 
Gorilla- 42% muscle mass 
 
Lion/Tiger: 58% muscle mass 
 
Brown bear (not bulked up for hibernation): 55% muscle mass 
 
Human- 37% muscle mass 
 
 
 
Also, the muscle mass itself doesn’t conclude the fight, as also the felids have MUCH faster reflexes than the apes. Although their stamina is not as high as that of an apes, they can kill the gorilla fast. Possibly, if they do not manage so, the gorilla has a chance of killing the exhausted felids; however, felids go for a throat bite, and gorillas do not. Gorillas do not use their jaws efficiently in combat; felids do. The claws of a felid ALSO help it give grasping power on the ape, which allow lows them to not be shaken off as easily. Their paws can actually have more opposable digits than a canid, and this allows them to get a better grip on the ape or an actual prey item they would prey on in the wild. And considering that if these animals did come into conflict, it would be obvious that when the felid and the gorilla both charge at one another, the felid will build up more speed, and in the case of the lion or the tiger; the cat will usually weigh more than gorilla. The combined forces of the speed and weight of a felid, like a lion or tiger, is enough to knock the barreling ape off balance. 
 
 
 
Also, I’m not saying you’re wrong about a gorilla being apt to defeat a jaguar or leopard, however, a leopard will win almost half the time in the conflicts DUE to its agility. And yes, I will admit, a gorilla is STRONGER than a leopard or a jaguar, but not a lion or tiger. Strength doesn’t always mean victory in combat. When a leopard kills an eland, that isn’t all strength, and yes, they will use the trees to their advantage, however, a tiger is NOT a good climber, and even a young tiger is HORRIBLE at climbing up trees. Lions are somewhat good in trees, but do not pounce down on their prey from them, like leopards or jaguars may do. 
 
 
 
 
 
So, the final tallies? 
 
 
 
Gorilla (Silverback) vs. Siberian tiger- Goes to the tiger every time (100%, in favor of Siberian tiger) 
 
Gorilla (Silverback) vs. Lion/ Bengal tiger- Most likely the big cats (95%, in favor of Tiger/ Lion) 
 
Gorilla (Silverback) vs. Jaguar- Jaguar gets a slightly higher percentage, due to its powerful build (they also do carry an agility advantage), for its size (55%, in favor of the jaguar) 
 
Gorilla (Silverback) vs. Leopard- Leopard gets high chances, due to agility, but gorilla still overwhelms leopard in this match with a slightly higher percentage (60%, in favor of gorilla) 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Again, I will show what other large land- based carnivores have over a gorilla: 
 
 
 
 
 
Siberian or Amur tiger (Panthera tigris altaica)- 58% muscle mass on a 450lb cat: 261lbs of muscle 
 
 
 
Lion (Panthera leo)/ Bengal tiger (Panthera tigris bengalensis)- 58% muscle mass on a 425lb cat: 247lbs of muscle 
 
 
 
Eastern gorilla (Gorilla beringei- 42% muscle mass on a 375lb ape: 158lbs of muscle 
 
 
 
Western gorilla (Gorilla gorilla)- 42% muscle mass on a 350lb ape: 147lbs of muscle 
 
 
 
Coastal grizzly (Ursus arctos horribilis)- 55% muscle on a 545lb bear (during spring time; after hibernation): 300lbs of muscle 
 
 
 
Inland grizzly (Ursus arctos horribilis)- 55% muscle mass on a 480lb bear (same as above): 264lbs of muscle 
 
 
 
Kodiak bear (Ursus arctos middendorffi)- 55% muscle mass on a 700lb bear (same deal as the other two bears) 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
**NOTE** All of the weights given were average weights of these animals; all averaged in, from different sources (again, the bears listed are all the average weight of males, without their winter fat on them). 
 
 
 
NOW include the agility AND THE AGGRESSIVENESSS of the big cats and it will give them a very HIGH advantage. 
 
 
 
A bear has a compact build and a barreling grizzly; even an inland grizzly, will be too much for a gorilla silverback to handle. 
 

Savage, if i were to twist my brothers arm, it would probably break his bones, rather than break his arm off. Even then, to achieve what you`re talking about, i would probably have to keep twisting his arm (while he`s just sittin there lettin me do it, because that`s the only way it`s gonna happen) and pulling, and i might be able to achieve it within a couple hours.  
 
Also, i have data upon the muscle mass many animals, including the lion, dogs, pigs, gorilla`s, an elephant, mouse, and many animals, accept a bear. If anyone can find any actual data on this, it would be much appreciated.

MrAlien, i agree with most of what you stated, but, while tigers are not exactly expert climbers, they can still do so with a certain degree of 'agility'. I`ve seen a tiger take a huge leap, and, after contacting the tree, scaled to the top in but a few leaps. 
 
And, it seems people think a gorilla can easily kill a smaller subspecies of tiger, perhaps like a sumatran tiger. But, i don`t think this is correct. These animals are VERY aggressive, perhaps more so than any other tiger subspecies, according to Beatty, and he records a case where a sumatran tigress challenged many of his bengal tigress, and, though he could count no wins on the part of that sumatran, she has come out of some fights with a draw, and this speaks volumns of the prowess of these animals as fighters. 
 
Likewise, Beatty mentions another sumatran, a male by the name of chester, which once had a fight with about 7 other male lions, and he emerged from the scrap with but little injuries.  
 
I think a sumatran tiger would defeat a gorilla.

Even though a leopard or a jaguar might have more muscle mass, this is percentage of muscle over their more fragile frame. A bull gorilla could likely kill either of these big cats. But, a lion, a Siberian tiger, or a Bengal tiger would certainly be more than a gorilla is equiped to deal with.

MrAlien123456 what ever dude im just gunna let you look like a dumbass

East95; whatever, dude. I'm just going to let YOU look like a dumbass.

Whatever dude, I'm just going to look like a dumbass. 

Who opened the door to all of these elementary school children?

HAHAHA!!!!! Right now eats95, MrAlien123456 and You, all look like childish dumbasses!! LOL! Anyway, people try to forget about the grizzly, lion, leopard and jaguar for now this is getting mixed up?! This is siberian tiger vs gorilla so let me give it to you straight, forget about the percentage of muscle, fat, length and all that stuff. Look at the animals in the wild, what they hunt, how they fight, what they fight, how big they get, how strong they are and what would happen if these 2 animals were in a fight to the death. A siberian tiger would most certianly win if not all the time then the most, and would be the stronger more fierce animal and would get the best of the gorilla. END OF STORY the average siberian tiger kills the average gorilla 8 or 9 times out of 10.

This was a very one-sided match to begin with. They tossed in what is ( my most sources ) the biggest of the big cats. The gorilla never stood a chance.  
 
A much more debatable match would have been gorilla vs jaguar. Then, after the fight, the bull gorilla could beat his chest, lift his head, and give the victory cry of the bull ape.

But Toby; the Eastern gorilla is the largest of the great apes. So they pretty much put the largest living great ape with the largest living big cat (in the wild; liger would be considered the largest living extant big cat, on the planet- the American lion would be the largest living big cat ever, in the wild). :)

So then, why not Kodiak bear vs gorilla / Siberian tiger?  
 
*I would rather see more debatable fights. Gorilla vs American black bear / jaguar.

lion man ARE YOU REALY TRYING TO TALK SHIT. CUZ IM A MONSTER A TRASH TALKING BITCH

MrAlien123456 your such a little cock. you have no life.

Lion Man and Mr. Alien. Where did all of these elememtary school children suddenly come from who cannot talk like adults?

I actually have no clue where East came from. This is East's fight, which he started, but I'll just overlook his little impudent remarks from now on, because he's not worth the time. 
 

MrAlien123456 you started the fight between me and you. but i dont know why lion man is fighting with me i never did anything to him.

Sorry; I don't understand baby. Thanks for attempting to talk, though........

We all get on here and argue about the kritters. But... 
 
name calling = childish. 
 
foul language = childish.

The gorilla is my favorite animal. But, look what has been done here. 
 
600 pound tiger vs 400 pound gorilla. 1,000 pound grizzly vs 400 pound gorilla. Does someone here hate gorillas?

i dont think anyone hates gorillas people asked for thses match ups. but i think on here a gorilla is realy undesestimated on this website. gorilla is not my fav animal but to me the gorilla would win agaisnt a grizzly or a tiger. you guys could dissagree but thats me.

east 95, nobody here hates gorillas, but whoever makes these fights is very over rating them, putting it against coastal grizzies and siberian tigers is just wrong, a gorillar could stand a chance against a sumatrian tiger or innerland grizzly though. 
 
jaguar vs mountian gorilla 
 
black bear vs mountian gorilla 
 
I would pay money to see these fights.

Gorilla vs American black bear would be a good fight. I agree. Gorilla vs jaguar would also be a great fight. Wow! MrAnimalia and I agree on something. Cool~

and one more thing east, 
 
nobody here is 'fighting' with you, not me, not lion man, not toby, and well maybe MrAlien a little. we are discussing or opinios, big difference. that is the best part of this site.

Gorilla vs American black bear / Gorilla vs jaguar. Yes! Those would be very good fights. Wow! MrAnimalia and I agree on something. Cool~

MrAnimalia. Concerning my age. My profile is at my e-mail address. toby789@hotmail.com 
 
myspace: Toby

Well going through all that was rather pointless... but any who the fight is between a Siberian tiger and a Gorilla as far as I'm concerned I guess the ape might put up a good fight with a Sumatran tiger but a Siberian tiger is far too much. 
Tiger kills great ape at least 9/10

@Mr.Animalia,  
I'm fighting with East.

Mr.Alien is a douche bag.

I'd like to see Kangaroo vs Chimpanzee

Depends what species of kangaroo, and chimpanzee. If you're talking about the giant short-faced kangaroo, which stood up to 9 feet tall and weighed about 300-600lbs, then the chimpanzee would be screwed,. If it's the two Grey kangaroo species and the Red kangaroo that you're referring to, it can go both ways. However, male kangaroos of any species can be up to almost 2xs larger than their female counterparts. Both animals have been known to harm/kill humans. Also, since there’s two species of Chimpanzee- the Common chimpanzee and the Bonobo. A kangaroo was reported to maul a dog to death, and almost killed the owner, in Australia, and that recent chimpanzee report, from last year, of the chimp mauling a woman, nearly to death. I do have to say though; the kangaroo does have faster reflexes, as well as a slightly better equipped armory for fight (VERY sharp claws, on both, the forelimbs and back limbs, and very strong back legs). Chimpanzees have been known to chase off leopards in small groups, and show some impressive feats of strength, in relation to that of many human body builders; and this is just for an average chimpanzee, as well.  
 
 
 
So, if we were to put the Common chimp and Red kangaroo up against each other, then that would be good. Maybe, the Bonobo and Grey kangaroo would also be a good match- up (Grey kangaroos, of both species, are smaller than Red kangaroos, just like Bonobos are smaller than the Common chimp). 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----Red Kangaroo---- 
 
 
 
Average Male- Height: 4.5- 5.5 feet 
 
Weight: 120-185lbs 
 
 
 
Average Female- Height: 3.5-4 feet 
 
Weight: 70- 95lbs 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----Common chimpanzee---- 
 
 
 
Average Male- Height: 4- 5.5 feet 
 
Weight: 90- 150lbs 
 
 
 
Average Female- Height: 3.5-4.5 feet 
 
Weight: 75- 120lbs

Slatwater crocodile vs. Polar bear (in and out of water) 
 
 
 
Indricotherium vs. King Kong (2006 version- 25 feet tall) 
 
 
 
Hainosaurus (mosasaur) vs. Sarcosuchus (Both are the same length, and oddly enough, mosasuar was actually considered a "true lizard", related to monitors and legless lizards, so pretty much, the mosasaurs were the largest lizards that ever lived, since dinosaurs aren't "true lizards".) 
 

Also; trick question: Can anyone guess the FIRST binomial name you've ever learned?

The huge Siberian tiger stands over the carcass of the great silverback gorilla. It was too easy. The bull gorilla beat his chest and roared, like the sound of thunder. The tiger just stood still and watched. The great ape is standing knee-deep in the snow. The temperature has dropped down to -20 degrees F.  
 
Mighty Joe Young closes his eyes, stiffens, and drops like a rock into the snow. Siberia has killed the King of the Jungle. The tiger wins. 
 

The 400 pound tiger is watching the baby gorillas play in the green leafy floiage. He is waitting for an opertunity to pounce upon an unsuspecting young ape. But, the 400 pound silverback sees the big cat. The bull gorilla charges. The tiger springs. The great ape Jack-slaps the tiger, sending him rolling. Before the cat can get back onto his feet, the gorilla is uopn him. The gorilla pounds the big cat with powerful blows from his huge long arms and big hands. The tiger's back is broken. The baby gorillas are safe.

I've studied big cats for years, and anyone who thinks a gorilla will stand a chnce against a tiger his own size, has been fooled. Big cats are FORMIDABLE foes to any animal. They have raw muscle power, razor sharp claws, bone crushing jaws, massive canines and are supreme fighters. 
 
If a leopard can scare of a whole troop. If a tiger can kill a 1300 kg gaur. Do you think a tiger could't take on one of these apes? 
 
C'mmon guys, get some sense, a tiger beats a gorilla 11 out of 10 fights 
 
 
 
Any big cat discluding a cheetah will maul a gorilla in 30 seconds

The tiger would likely win. But consider that the biggest big cat of all was picked for this fight. Why not a Sumatrian tiger or a Java tiger? Why not a jaguar? 
 
Because a 400 pound gorilla just might kill a 400 pound tiger.

And toby, why not an Orangutan or Chimp. Why did they have to pick the largest ape: The silverback gorilla ? 
 
Largest ape vs Largest Cat - Cat wins every time 
 
Get some sense toby, lats make this Cougar vs. Gorilla - Although even here the cat will win.

Let's not lose our tempers. 
 
They picked the biggest cat which can be 600 to 700 pounds to fight a 400 pound gorilla. Why? 
 
Because a 400 pound gorilla could likely be too much for a 400 pound lion or tiger.

Toby, pound for pound ANY cat will beat a gorilla, even a cheetah. 
 
400 lbs tiger vs. 400 lbs gorilla 
 
- tiger is faster 
 
- the tiger is more agile 
 
- the tiger is more aggressive 
 
- the tiger has claws 
 
- the tiger has larger canines 
 
- the tiger has greater musculate 
 
- the tiger tooth have sharper inneredges 
 
- The tiger has predatory insticts 
 
- the tiger is more durable to injury 
 
the tiger can kill a moose 3 times larger than a silverback 
 
- the gorilla has stamina and intelligence 
 
 
 
Obvious winner?

Even if the two animals were of equal weight, the tiger would win. However, if, by some miracle, a 400-pound tiger faced a 400-pound baboon, rather than a gorilla (there were giant baboons a few millions of years ago, though not of this size), its chances would be more limited. Baboons, unlike gorillas, are real pros in fighting against predators.

Balazs, I agree, a Gorilla sized Baboon will be a much tougher foe as the are fierce and Lb for Lb possible stronger. However, I still believe the tiger will come out on top. Cats are stronger than bears pound for pound - they have better developed jaws and are armed with razor-sharp claws

*stronger than apes lb for lb*

Pound for pound, both the grizzly and the gorilla are stronger than a tiger. The mandrill, the worlds largest monkey travels in troops of sometimes over 100 primates. They are very baboon-like. But, they know better than to mess with a silverback gorilla.  
 
IF you measure your tiger by body length, he is much lighter and more delicate than a grizzly bear of same body length.

Toby, pound for pound the tiger is stronger than a gorilla, they have denser, more powerful build skeleton and muscles: 
 
Gorilla skeleton: http://www.exchange3d.com//images/uploads/aff70//Chimpanzee-skeleton1.jpg 
 
Tiger skeleton: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/TigerSkelLyd1.png 
 
The tiger's skeleton is more poweful build with thicker bones. They also have far greater musculate. The tiger has 60% of muscle while a silverback has roughly 37% 
 
Meaning a 500 lbs tiger will have 300 lbs of muscle, while a 500 lb gorilla will have 185 lbs of muscle. that is 115 lbs of difference!! Cobined with his more powerful skeleton framework, makes him lb for lb far stronger. 
 

Over all muscle mass! ok... tiger wins but the upper body strength is a different story! obviously gorilla legs arent as strong (they dont need to be) the gorllia isnt going to carry the body off to protect its kill. although the gorilla is designed for ripping, tearing and breaking! and the fast twitch muscle fibers are probably equal in the upper body! I am sure because of the skeletal structure the gorilla has a longer reach as well! and that first strike is going to be a determining factor! but, I still say in a face to face toe to toe they both die. just like with tiger vs tiger.

I disagree Savage, first of all the tiger is larger. This size advantage gives it a mayor advantage. 
 
Tiger: 400 - 650 lbs 
 
Gorilla: 300 - 440 lbs 
 
2nd of all, it is true most of a gorillla's strenght is in it's upper body. Which explains the size and strenght of they're arms. this, however, leaves they're rear part of the body weak and slow moving. Legs are the base of a body. And no, tigers have more fast twitch muscle fibers giving them reflexes and agility. 
 
And a blow from a gorilla won't kill a tiger. The tiger has extreemely high bone density - Comparabe to a Brown bear: 
 
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4338/bonedensity1ly8.png  
 
http://wildanimalelite.yuku.com/topic/51/t/Lions-density-of-bone.html 
 
meanwhile a tiger can rip the thin, unprotected skin of a primate with ease. those razor sharp claws can maul a Bear or Buffalo.

Yeah, they have a big advantage, they are born killers! but my point being, that in the wild just like the tiger vs tiger fight (they have documented many) it wouldnt take much for the enraged gorilla's huge arms and great bite force to cripple a tiger and a crippled tiger will not live long in the wild (2 weeks for most) so while the gorilla might end up being dinner! it would be a poor last meal.

You are absolutely correct Savage. The upper body power of a silverback gorilla is comparable the the arm and shoulder strength of a grizzly. Just one good swipe from a gorilla's big hand or a grizzly paw could shatter a tiger's skull and break it's neck.

Actually, zack, the percentage of 60% muscle mass was the recorded percentage of muscle for the lion, though i do believe a tiger (of equal mass: = 420 lbs) would have roughly the same percentage of muscle. An average gorilla, which weighs somewhere in the 300 lb range, would, as you stated, have a percentage of muscle of 37%. However, muscle mass decreases with size as the available space for muscle growth is reduced by the larger percentage of fat and other such bodily substances that increases with increasing weight. 
 
However, as most of the muscle (about 60%) of the gorilla is found in the upper body, i think that, proportionately, there is little to chose between these two, in terms of strength. 
 
However, the siberian tiger is bigger (average weight about 182 kg according to the STP project, who weighed and measured 18 adult male specimens)with razor sharp claws, and excellent agility to match. The Gorilla wouldn`t stand a chance. 
 
I even doubt the bite force of the gorilla is greater than that of the tiger`s. Even though there is no study directly relating to it, all sources indicate the tiger would/should have the stronger bite.

Toby, if a 400 lbs gorilla punched a 600 lbs grizzly in the head, will he crush it's skull: Not even close, why? Because it's bones are far to dnese. But a cats bones are build like those from a bear. Extemely stronger and powerful: 
 
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4338/bonedensity1ly8.png  
 
http://wildanimalelite.yuku.com/topic/51/t/Lions-density-of-bone.html 
 
Apes are totally different, with thinner bones that are evolved less dense - As you can tell from it's frame work: 
 
http://www.exchange3d.com//images/uploads/aff70//Chimpanzee- 
 
Low density framework that is not particulary powerful. Do not get me wrong - gorilla's are strong, but nowhere near as stronger as a tiger. These felids are designed to take down large Bovines, compared to that a gorilla is rather a free meal. 
 
Back when the gigantopithecus lived millions of years ago, he would have been foor for the Cave Lion or Smilodon.

I watched a program not long ago that showed various animals having their bite force measured. The big cats do not need a powerful bite force to strangle their prey ( with the exception of the jaguar ).  
 
The grizzly, the wolf, and certainly the hyena have a stronger bite force than a lion or a tiger. Also, the gorilla. This great ape eats very tough fiberous plants, such as bamboo. That ridge on top of the great apes skull is for muscle attachment. On the show, it was said that the bite force of the gorilla is equal to the bite force of a grizzly.

Toby, the measured bite force of the wolf was at 406 lbs, measured by Dr. Brady barr. That of a male lion not yet of adult age, was 691 lbs. So, i would hazard a guess the wolf does not have the more powerful jaws. 
 
Also, few animals would have as powerful a jaw as the lion or tiger, and, while that of the hyena may be greater, i`m not so sure of the grizzly bear (who`s bite force did not show particularly high numbers in estimates given by experts on this matter...though i can`t think of his name at the moment) or the gorilla, which by all means should/would have a less powerful bite force.

The gorilla has considerably greater bite force than does a lion or a tiger. These big cats strangle their victims. A great amount of force is not needed. I watched ( that means I saw it ) when the bite measurements were taken for various animals. The wolf's bite force was greater than the lion's and nearly as great as the grizzly bear's. A gorilla's bite force can crush a huge stalk of bamboo. It's not likely that a lion or a tiger could do the same.  
 
Everyone wants the big cats to be the all-powerful killing machine. Well, they are. But these big cats do not depend on brute strength and crocdile-like jaws. They are stealth hunters. They depend on being quiet and then a quick bust of energy in a lighting fast surprize attack. The big cat must be very quick and very agile. Also, he must be capable of incredible leaps. 
 
I dare to say that, the Siberian tiger ( why is he in the jungle? ) would win this fight every time.  
 
We are talking tiger ( 500 to 600 lbs ) against a gorilla ( 300 to 400 lbs ). 'Nuff said.

Well, I do my research. What I saw on one particular Nat Geo was seemingly wrong. Unlike a certain someone who enjoys visiting this site ( Z ) I can admit it when I am wrong. Bite force ( according to my research ). 
 
lion = 1768 lbs.  
 
tiger = 1525 lbs. 
 
gorilla = 1300 - 1400 lbs. 
 
grizzly = 3 billion pounds! 
 
ha ha ha....just kidding Zack. 
 
grizzly = 1200 pounds.  
 
The reason stated, the grizzly does not kill with it's jaws. 
 
 
 

Toby, I am nat a fan of national geography, you are always putting sdown the people you disagree with. I will finish the list: 
 
Hyena: 2000 PSI 
 
alligator snapping turtle: 1005 PSI 
 
Female Hippo:1823 PSI 
 
Saltwater Croc: 2500 to 5000 psi 
 
Human: 127 psi 
 
Jaguar: 1014 psi 
 
Tasmanian Devil: 350 psi 
 
Reticulated Python: 69 psi

toby, the bite force of the gorilla, tiger, or grizzly bear was never measured, only estimated, though for animals who`s bite force were actually measured, the numbers are as follows *(by the way, zack, bite force is measured in lbs, not psi): 
 
Lion: 691 lbs (not quite of adult age) 
 
Female hippo: 1823 lbs 
 
Pitbull: 235 lbs 
 
German shepherd: 238 lbs 
 
Rottweiler: 328 lbs 
 
African wild dog: 317 lbs 
 
Alligator snapping turtle: 1004 lbs 
 
Hyena: 1000 lbs 
 
Crocodile: 2500 - 5000 lbs, both measurements from two different crocs, by brady barr) 
 
Tasmanian devil: 395 lbs 
 
Python: 32 lbs 
 
Hyacinth Mccaw: 167 lbs 
 
Monitor lizard: 55 lbs 
 
wolf: 406 lbs 
 
American bulldog: 305 lbs 
 
Mastiff: 556 lbs 
 
Human: 127 lbs 
 
Here are the videos in proof: 
 
Hippo bite force: 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFo_DUq59q0&feature=related 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwB2Lzkacps&feature=fvw 
 
Dogs: 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADDxe24ud90&feature=related 
 
More on the bite force of dogs: 
 
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/DogBiteForceResults002.jpg 
 
http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/?action=view&current=dogsbiteforce-1.flv 
 
I have more videos as well. 
 

Well Zack...if you insist. What I was saying is that Nat Geo stated that both the gorilla and the grizzly has a more powerful bite than a lion or a tiger. With research, I discovered that they were wrong. Damn! I was on your side with this. *Pay attention.

Even if all of the beasts of Earth lived on one vast continent, a gorilla would never face a Siberian tiger. However, he might face a Mayayan tiger or a Sumatran tiger. Either of these big cats could kill a bull gorilla only in a stealthy ambush attack. In a face-off, my money would be on the silverback gorilla.  
 
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Any tiger can kill a Gorilla his own size. See, the gorilla is a peaceful and inaggressive mammal who lacks on fighting style. Leopards have been known to kill these monkeys. Pound for pound, the tiger is stronger and more muscular than either Gorilla or Leopard.  
 
My guess is that the Gorilla has the strenght of 6 adult men, maybe 7. However a tiger can drag a Gaur carcass for miles which 13 men could not move.  
 
Let's make this Jaguar vs. Gorilla - far more debatable.

A tiger could drag a gaur carcass for 30 or 40 feet at best. However, a grizzly could drag a dead gaur for miles.  
 
I believe that an enraged silverback could kill a leopard, jaguar, or one of the smaller tigers in a face-off. He wold not likely come out of this fight without injuries.

Toby, can a grizzly drag a gaur for miles? has it ever been tested? No it hasn't. A tiger has the strenght of 13 men, the rhino and hippo are at 20 men, and most bovines vary form 14 to 18 men The grizzly bear is 15 men at max.  
 
So you cannot say a bear can unless you have test results. Did you also know that the tiger dragged the gaur for 25 metres, or 80 ft. That would have been the body lenght of a prehistoric sperm whale! 
 
Toby, can a grizzly drag a gaur for miles? has it ever been tested? No it hasn't. A tiger has the strenght of 13 men, the rhino and hippo are at 20 men, and most bovines vary form 14 to 18 men The grizzly bear is 15 men at max.  
 
So you cannot say a bear can unless you have test results. Did you also know that the tiger dragged the gaur for 25 metres, or 80 ft. That would have been the body lenght of a prehistoric sperm whale! 
 
And no, any member of the family of the felidea will kill a gorilla. the cougar, which is said to be the weakest of my top 5 (tiger, lion, jaguar, leopard, puma) can regularly prey upon Elk who are much bigger, stronger and better armed than silverbacks. I have actual evidence upon this - Cougar kills Elk three times it's size: 
 
http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=1175359 
 
Read it and respect the big cats, respect the king of kings!

King of Kings? that would be any of the very large bears! (or possibly a killer whale) and once again... the cat uses it's hunting abilities to kill! (dropping out of a tree on the back of an unsuspecting prey isnt the case here) we are talking about a face to face fight with both animals enraged! gorilla's (although a peace loving animal) could go Ape Chit (pardon the pun) on anything with lethal and deadly force! or do you not know how frail even your big cats are? hit one with a car and you will find out much less hitting it with the razor sharp claws of almost any of the big bears! might makes right in this situation and the cats lose in size! although as with the tiger/gorilla... I still say they would both die.

Reliable witnesses ( a group of park rangers ) watched a grizzly drag a 1,000 pound steer for a half mile up an almost vertical incline. No tiger could come remotely close to this feat.

Bengal or Siberian could likely kill the gorilla. Indochinese maybe. Malayan tiger or Sumatran tiger would end up with a silverback gorilla standing over the big cat's carcuss.

No Toby, any Big Cat above 200 lb can kill a Gorilla, why? 
 
A 200 lb cougar can kill a 1100 lb Moose  
 
A 200 lb Gorilla can kill a 1000 lb Zebra 
 
A 200 lb Jaguar cann kill a 700 lb Anteater 
 
Now are you telling me these killing machines cannot kill a little 400 lbs Gorilla? 
 
Recently, a cheetah was observed killing an adult 600 lb wildebeast: 
 
http://videos.howstuffworks.com/discovery/35301-cheetah-kills-wildebeest-1-video.htm 
 
The facts is that even a large 160 lb cheetah could be a hard foe to a 400 lb Gorilla, especially if he can kill a far more formidable wildebeast. 
 
Tiger vs. Gorilla - 99 % for the tiger 
 
Lion vs. Gorilla - 90 % for the Lion 
 
Jaguar vs. Gorilla - 75 % for the Jaguar 
 
Cougar or Leopard vs. Gorilla - 60 % for the cat 
 
Snow leopard or Cheetah vs. 70 % for the Gorilla

*A 200 lb leopard can kill a 1000 lb Zebra*

That was funny Zack ( LOL ) You must be talking about a cheetah in blue tights and a red cape.

A 150 pound timber wolf could kill a 1,000 pound zebra. So what?

When you figure out the average size tiger ( all 6 subspecies combined ) you will find that your tiger is about the size of your average jaguar. About 250 to 300 pounds.

Toby, a sumatran tiger can indeed kill a gorilla. Gorilla`s often have trouble with leopards, which have been known to kill these mighty beasts. A sumatran tiger is much more formidable than a leopard, and even more aggressive than it`s cousin, the bengal.  
 
The tiger is just too agile. They also have sharp claws as well.

So...We have a 265 pound Sumatran tiger face-to-face with a 400 pound silverback gorilla. Damon believes that the gorilla will be an easy kill.  
 
No one has ever witnessed a leopard killing a bull gorilla. This tiger is jaguar-size. I would say that this fight could go either way. 50% for both.  
 
It will all depend on how a gorilla fights a predator. Since this has yet to be witnessed, we can only guess.

Toby, the gorilla actually weighs between 300 - 350 lbs, according to actual records. And also, i do believe there are witnesses to a leopard killing a gorilla. If you want, i can try and find such a case?  
 
But, i think the sumatran would have this fight. Also, i did not say the sumatran would win easily....just said it would win.

http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=1175359 
 
A cougar has killed an Elk, 2 to 3 times larger than a Gorilla, much better armed and far stronger. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djDzVLR-YEE 
 
Leopards Killing zebras, who can weight 900 lb, with the tremendous power stronger than a horse. 
 
And Toby belives a little 400 lb gorilla will beat any big cat smaller than 400 lb. So stupid.

Zack. You seem to be so amazed that a leopard can kill a zebra. Cougars used to kill American horses regularly. Hell! A 100 pound timber wolf could kill a zebra. A brown bear can kill a Clydesdale. What's your point? 
 

Gorilla's are extremely vunerable toward other predators. Like humans, they are weak to injury and rely on only a very thin layer of skin. those razor-sharp claws of a big cat can easily rip that thin skin to shreds. 
 
http://www.carnivoraforum.com/index.cgi?board=zoological&action=print&thread=1195 
 
Leopards do kill Gorilla's - READ THE ARTICLE

Toby, are you blind? My point is, that if a Cougar or Leopard can kill a Zebra, Elk or Horse. They undoubtably Can kill a little 400 lb Silverback. After all both Elk/Gorilla are herbivores, only one is much bigger and stronger 
 
It's called common sense.

IF your 260 pound tiger is just going to stand there and slap-fight a gorilla, the great ape will pound him into the dust. 
 
But, that is NOT how cats fight. The tiger will want to pounce onto the gorilla to get in his neck bite. That is how the big cats kill.  
 
I actually do believe that the tiger would win this fight...6 out of 10.  
 
Damon, gorillas can be 400+ pounds in the wild.  
 
 
 

Toby, yes Gorilla's do on occasion reach 400 lb in the wild, with the largest being 510 lb. But that is not usual., The average Silverback is 340 lb. Roughly twice the size of an adult man. 
 
And tigers have many ways to kill: 
 
Throat Bite 
 
Claws rip skin 
 
Paw Swipes 
 
Any of these options will do the job on a Gorilla. As they have vunerable skin (stated previously) the retractile claws of a tiger can easily rip their hid to shreds. Pawswipes will work to If a tiger hit the Gorilla with full force. He will likely crush the skull of a Gorilla, their powerful limbs and massive claws allows them to do so.

Except for the jaguar, the big cats have 3 killing methods. 
 
#1...hold onto a herbivores mouth and nose ( suffacation )-slow. 
 
#2...bite to the throat ( strangulation ) -slow. 
 
#3...bite to the spine at the back of the neck -fast.  
 
Zack...NO. Lions and tigers do not have the power in their limbs to crush an animals skull ( LOL ). 
 
This is NOT a brown bear. 
 
The claws of the big cats are for clinging onto their prey.  
 
 
 

Dude, you realize that the article you posted doesnt prove a cat can kill a gorilla... in a fight, in fact it proves just the opposite! it shows evidence of a cat attacking a SLEEPING gorilla and getting it's cat ass kicked! so there goes all your theories about how the gorilla hide is so weak and they are so fragile! you also need to realize that the strength of a gorilla although weaker than the total body mass of a tiger is concentrated on the upper end! which means the gorilla can snap that cat neck like a twig. 
way to prove that gorilla's are king of the jungle... even though they are mostly docile and vegetarians! LOL

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Interspecies-Conflict-3754/2008/8/Man-vs-Lion-Tiger.htm 
 
A single paw swipe from a Lion can break the neck of a Zebra, who is much stronger than a Gorilla. This has nothing to do with limb strenght. They use they're massive razor claws that can dig deep inside skin and bones. 
 
Toby has no idea what he's talking about. A 400 lb Gorilla can crush a tigers neck or skull but a 400 lb tiger cannot do a feat anywhere near as impressive with it's strenght? I know most of a Gorilla's strenght is in it's upper body but is the difference that much? what an Idiot. 
 
And no Savage, a Gorilla cannot snap a tiger. A cat's skull, neck and shoulder muscles are far to strong to be broken by an animal their own size. You also need to realize that lionneses can regularly take kicks from Buff's, and they stand up like nothing. NO broken neck, NO crushed skull. 
 
Why do some people an this site not believe that a tiger is stronger than a Gorilla. They simply lack on common sense

Common killing methods of a tiger: 
 
Full body weight blow - quick  
 
bone crushing Paw swipe - quick 
 
Disabowle with claws - quick 
 
Strangling neck bite - slow 
 
Pease ignore toby, he has an Anti-Cat hating fever.

Quote From Toby: 
 
 
 
"You are absolutely correct Savage. The upper body power of a silverback gorilla is comparable the the arm and shoulder strength of a grizzly. Just one good swipe from a gorilla's big hand or a grizzly paw could shatter a tiger's skull and break it's neck." 
 
 
 
Another Quote from Toby: 
 
 
 
Zack...NO. Lions and tigers do not have the power in their limbs to crush an animals skull ( LOL ). This is NOT a brown bear.  
 
 
 
By the sounds of it, Toby believes that pound for pound cats are the weakest animals that ever lived. But he has no evidence. He also thinks that a Gorillas blow can do many times more damage. But the fact is vice versa. 
 
FACTS about 400 lb tiger vs 400 lb gorilla: 
 
-The tiger is stronger 
 
-The tiger is more resistant 
 
-The tiger has a stronger skeleton 
 
-The tiger is a better fighter 
 
-The tiger has retractile claws 
 
-The tiger has bigger canines 
 
-The tigers tooth are sharper 
 
-The tigers jaws are stronger 
 
-The tiger is quicker 
 
If a Gorilla hit a tiger, he will make the cat mad. If a tiger delivered a blow to the Gorilla. He will break his neck or crush the skull and the ape is down & out.

Talk about exaggerated claims! A lion can not break a zebra's neck with a swipe of it's paw!  
I also thought this was kinda cool. 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-389919/Zebra-beats-lioness-incredible-struggle.html 
a tigers strength is throughout its body! so yes it's muscle mass is greater! it has to run, jump, grab and hold to kill! a gorillas mass is in it's arms, neck and shoulders they have bent metal bars and break and strip huge trees effortlessly all day long for food! I think you might be exaggerating (again) about the lack of strength in a gorilla especially an enraged one.  
also! cats have taken kicks from wild animals... on the run! if you dont understand where the kick force is lessened by that, then maybe some lessons in basic physics?  
or maybe your great common sense will be able to recognize the damage a gorilla could do while the cat is trying to put that strangle hold on his over developed neck! 
I have no doubt that this fight would kill both animals most of the time, maybe the gorilla a little more quickly but the tiger wouldnt walk away from an enraged gorilla without having his ability to kill hampered long enough to starve to death. 
which happens in 75% of the fights with tiger against tiger.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Interspecies-Conflict-3754/2008/8/Man-vs-Lion-Tiger.htm  
 
A lion can break the neck of the zebra, and has the power of 10 to 13 men. You Savage, are like toby, trying to underrate the strenght of the tiger. If a Bear can break the neck of a moose, why couldn't a tiger do the same to a MUCH smaller gorilla?  
 
http://img.youtube.com/vi/2Uc0-8IugG0/0.jpg 
 
Lookat those huge shoulder muscles of a tiger, combined with his massive limbs and ripped back. But unlike a Bear or Gorilla. that huge body is pure muscle, rather than fat-muscle in combination. 
 
http://www.exchange3d.com/images/uploads/aff70//Chimpanzee-skeleton1.jpg 
 
Look at the gorilla's skeleton, it's laugable. Skinny, long and fragile. A Gorilla is like a man on steriods. The ain't as strong as he looks. A that mass around this fragile Eco-Skeleton is just hanging. 
 
 
 
FACTS about 400 lb tiger vs 400 lb gorilla:  
 
-The tiger is stronger  
 
-The tiger is more resistant  
 
-The tiger has a stronger skeleton  
 
-The tiger is a better fighter  
 
-The tiger has retractile claws  
 
-The tiger has bigger canines  
 
-The tigers tooth are sharper  
 
-The tigers jaws are stronger  
 
-The tiger is quicker  
 
-The tiger is more agile

You really need to check your facts. I know for a fact the gorilla has more bite force! not that it is really going to matter all that much! and the upper body strength of a gorilla would do major damage! and I am pretty sure the bone structure of the gorilla is harder as well.

you keep throwing this site out there... I just had to look!  
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Interspecies-Conflict-3754/Gorilla-Vs-Big-Cats.htm 
or are you going to argue with your own site? 
they give it to the gorilla pretty much hands down!  
I have more confidence in the large cats fighting ability though! I still say the tiger would take the gorilla but Neither would walk away a winner because they would both die.

First of all, it depends on the subspecies of tiger. Even if all creatures lived on one vast continent, a gorilla would never be standing face-to-face with a Siberian. 
 
Bengal tiger would kill a gorilla. But, the other 4 subspecies: Indochinese, South China, Sumatran, and Malayan...much smaller cats. I'd give them each a 50-50 chance. Savage is right. The gorilla's upperbody strength is greater than the tiger's.

Zack does not read about animals. Neither has he ever sat through a wildlife documentary. Lions and tigers do not kill by slashing their prey to ribbons like Freedy Krueger. They kill with their jaws and teeth. Just as I said earlier. 
 
#1...The big cat wraps his mouth around the ungulates mouth to smother him / slow death.  
 
#2...The big cat bites onto the prey's throat to strangle it / slow death. 
 
#3...The big cat bites into the back of the neck / quick kill. 
 
No Zack...the lion or tiger does not kill by use of a powerful slap. The lion does not break a zebras neck with a hit.  
 
IF you take a moment to look at a brown bear, you will notice that hump on his back ( as on a bison or gaur ) That hump is rock-hard solid muscle, from digging into hard rocky ground ( even frozen ground ) and turning over huge boulders and fallen trees.  
 
IF a big cat had the upperbody strength of a brown bear, the cat would have that hump. The brown bear also has thicker heavier bones. A brown bear could easily break a zebra's neck. A lion or a tiger cannot. 
 
The silverback gorilla might be equal to an American black bear of equal size. Upperbody strength greater than the 4 smaller tigers. 
 
 
 

Leopards have killed silverbacks, if they can do it I am damn sure a tiger can.

I can kill Mike Tyson with a bat, while he sleeps. doesnt mean I would want to take him on when he is awake even with a bat! same thing applies to the silverbacks!

zack, at equal weights, i doubt a tiger would be stronger than a gorilla. Even a chimp is 2 - 4 times stronger than the average man, and the gorilla is much bigger. 
 
And, Toby, a indo-chinese tiger is not much smaller than a bengal or siberian. In fact, at least one specimen has been weighed at about 250 kg or so.  
 
Also, savage, the gorilla`s bite force has never been measured, but, even so, i doubt his bite force would be as much or greater than that of a tiger.  
 
The tiger would usually win. The gorilla only has a muscle mass of 37%, though 60% of that muscle is in his upperbody, so yes, he would have a strong upperbody. But, not stronger than that of a lion or tiger, especially considering the latter are usually heavier, by something like 100 lbs.  
 
And toby, why do you keep saying the brown bear has bigger/heavier bones? That would be only if the size (length, height, ect) of the bear was greater. But, that means nothing. The bones of the lion or tiger are rather dense.

And, Toby, there is NO way a gorilla could crush the skull or break the neck of a tiger just from a hit. The bones in the tiger`s skull are, like i`ve said, rather dense, and the tiger is just as strong, if not stronger.  
 
And, while most of the muscle of the gorilla is in it`s upper body (60%) his overall muscle mass is rather less than that of the lion or tiger`s. A lion/tiger can also break the skull of neck of some small prey. It could break the skull of probably a hyena if it got in a good (almost perfect) hit. However, in the animal kingdom, perfect hits are almost impossible. 
 
 
 

Dude, where do you get your facts from? this is all a matter of opinion... but, somethings have been measured. 
I think you should look at that link from the allexpert website or what ever it was! because the only time they said the tiger would win is when the gorilla is sleeping! lol which is when the cats that kill them now! get them, if they didnt scrounge a meal! imho

Savage, the strength of a lion, tiger, or bear has never been measured or compared. The allexperts site is also not run by experts, it could even be teenagers still in school answering your questions! 
 
It even says on the website that the info you receive is not professional. And, a tiger would most certainly be able to kill a gorilla.  
 
The tiger is bigger, and every bit as strong, if not stronger than the gorilla, with sharp claws and not to mention it is a more agile animal.

They aren't able to measure the true strength of any animal, it is based on opinion, pre-obtained data and guesstimation!  
just like your Opinion that "A tiger would most certainly be able to kill a gorilla"  
btw, that is one of my pet peaves! people that state their Opinion as fact.  
The fact is that the gorilla is very strong in close quarters from breaking trees and stripping them down to their core for food! all day long! (which would make them stronger for longer periods of time) the large cats dont have this sort of stamina because generally they kill by surprise and have no use for huge amounts of stamina. so while your cat is holding the gorilla still trying to stop his breathing (through very over developed neck muscles) the gorilla is in his own element... because he is used to taking and breaking things in close quarter, and considering he can snap a good sized tree with little or no effort the amount of strength and adrenaline on both parts will be muted by the fact that given this sort of strength, he will be able to break bones and damage internal organs, and even if he loses the immediate battle how do you think the tiger would fair with something broken in the wild? 
if I remember correctly, tiger to tiger fights end in 75% mortality for both tigers within 2 weeks. 
so how do you determine a winner when both lose?

Leopards can kill gorillas which have been documented a gorilla is no match for any sub species of tiger or bear. 
You cannot put a gorilla in the same league as big cats and bears especially since gorillas bluff 96% of the time instead of fighting.

Show one case where a big cat has taken down a silverback and I will concede to that argument. just one! even while the gorilla is sleeping!  
(which IS the way that big cats attack and kill gorilla)  
Gorilla's are naturally peaceful and as a peaceful animal would rather bluff than fight! but, they can go into a rage, and if you havent read up on it, they are ferocious in a rage, and in one instance compared to a tazmanian devil. (not sure if that was the cartoon character or the real one)  
and for the premise of this whole silverback vs tiger arguement: 
they both have to be awake. 
they are face to face toe to toe. 
they are both enraged enough to fight! 
and I for one... hope it never happens! 

A tiger needs a single swipe to the gorilla's face and end of fight tiger wins all the time. 
This is even a cruel fight for the poor gorilla leopards kills them for Pete's sakes.

gorilla takes muscles and breaks tigers back 
dead tiger not a fare fight! is it? 

Poor poor gorilla.

http://www.grida.no/_res/site/file/publications/gorilla/GorillaStand_screen.pdf 
 
While it is not the exact record of adult gorillas falling victim to leopard the writer of this article says that there are a few records of leopards killing adult gorilla. If a leopard being the smaller cat can do this then I have no doubt of a tiger doing it with ease but I will try to find the actual records.

http://www.angela-meder.de/publik/eep.pdf 
 
"Apart from humans, gorillas do not really have enemies. The only predator to prey on gorillas 
is the leopard. Walter Baumgärtel found the remains of several gorillas after they had been 
killed by leopards in the Virunga Volcanoes. Other hints were found in Gabon and the Central 
African Republic (Tutin & Fernandez 1991; Fay et al. 1995)." 
 
This is still not the one I know.

Yeah, that is relevant in only that those gorilla's although adult could have been female (not being sexist here) but in gorilla society it's even worse than our own. if a large man were to assault a woman her first instinct would be to cover up! not fight back!  
the difference I see with a silverback (especially) is that the silverback has fight experience (although generally not lethal, that we know of) and is the protector of the group. (although I know some mom's that would go hyper on you if you messed with their children) I dont think it qualifies in this situation. according to the other report that was posted up here there were silverback fingers inside a leopards stomach. but I dont care what you are, if someone attacks you while you are asleep! there is a very good chance you are going to lose. and that IS part of the cats great fighting ability!

Given the fact that gorillas fight with there teeth I don't think a gorilla will cause any serious injury to a tiger anyway all the tiger needs is a few good swipes to the face, chest and shoulders and that would be it for the gorilla. 
 

With all my respect for gorillas, I am of the opinion that the tiger would win. If the two animals are locked in combat, the gorilla may somehow crush the tiger's ribs (in which case the tiger would lose) but it is quite unlikely that it will try to do so purposefully. Instead, it would probably bite and pummel the tiger in a rather frantic and haphazard manner. In contrast, the tiger would do precisely what all cats do if they are grabbed by a strong opponent: it would kick and slash with its powerful hind legs, probably with devastating results.  
 
If they are not locked in combat but maneuver around each other and try to deliver blows from a distance and then jump aside(which cats often do), the tiger would once again have an advantage over the gorilla because of its greater speed and maneuverability. Such a method would not inflict mortal injuries on the gorilla, however, and eventually any of the two sides may decide to put an end to this unproductive battle. The gorilla may try to flee, but it may also become so angry that the tiger would find it advisable to seek an easier prey. 
It is undeniable that the gorilla would inflict serious injuries on the tiger, but the tiger has a more effective defensive strategy against the bites of an opponent. If the gorilla managed to pin it down and started to bite it here and there, the tiger would roll on its back and use all of its four powerful, clawed feet to injure the gorilla and keep it at arm's length. This is what bears also do if fighting with each other. The gorilla does not have a comparable tactic to defend its vulnerable belly. Thus the gorilla's best chance would be to break some bones with a few powerful blows. The tiger could not match that, since big cats use their paws more to grab prey or knock it down than to beat it to death. Nevertheless, it is far from sure whether the gorilla would attack the tiger's most vulnerable points with the same purposefulness and accuracy as a predator would do. 
BTW, I am not sure whether the tiger would start its attack by jumping at the gorilla's throat (as the introduction suggested). If big cats attack humans or some strong prey, their first move is to knock it off its feet with their paws, and only after that will they seek a throat hold. If they fight with each other, they start with a swift exchange of strong blows aimed at the opponent's head. If the gorilla stands on its hind legs, it would be a relatively inviting target for both types of tiger attack, but if it kept moving fast on all fours, the tiger might indeed try to knock it down by a jump backed by the heavy weight of its massive body. 
The problem is that gorillas are neither professional wrestlers not boxers. Their preferred modus operandi is to bite, and even in biting, they do not go for a throat hold. Moreover, the tiger would probably try to knock the gorilla off its feet, attack it from behind, or weaken it by a swift series of slashing blows with its clawed paws. 
Yes, the tiger would be far more ready to attack the gorilla than the other way around. The gorilla would be perfectly happy if it could just scare the tiger away. But even the tiger would prefer to attack the gorilla by surprise. Tigers do attack even adult elephants, but they do not attack frontally unless they were shot at and wounded by the hunter riding the elephant. 
The gorilla's intelligence would not play a great role in such a fight. Gorillas fight mostly instinctively, rather than creatively, and since tiger-sized big cats do not belong to their natural enemies, their defensive instincts do not prepare them well for such a battle. In tasks which require creative intelligence, gorillas perform quite well but their mental process appears to be slower than that of chimpanzees. With much patience, they usually figure out what the solution is for a problem, but there is no time for that if one faces such a fast and dynamic opponent as a tiger. In contrast, tigers are instinctively prepared for killing big opponents in a swift and effective way. The tiger would have a hard time in killing the gorilla, but the latter's intelligence would not help it too much. 
Let me add that I read a number of descriptions about gorilla attacks on humans, and I saw only a single case when the main mode of attack was to hit the opponent with a fist. This happened to a European zoologist named Deschryver who went a bit too close to a gorilla group, and a big male attacked him. The gorilla ran at him on two legs, with raised fist, and hit him with such a force that he literally flew a few meters. Interestingly enough, he did not suffer any serious injury, nor did the gorilla continue its attack. Deschryver concluded that the attack was aimed to scare him away, rather to kill him, and he was probably right. In contrast, in all those cases when someone was seriously attacked by a wounded or otherwise angry gorilla, the main injuries were caused by bites and sometimes by the ape's strong nails. Several people were maimed for life as a result, but the injuries were mostly on their legs and hands. I never saw a single description about a skull crashed, a scalp torn off, a spine broken or a neck twisted, though the gorilla could have easily done any of these. Apparently gorillas regard their jaws, rather than fist, as the ultimate weapon to be used once they are in really serious combat. And in a jaw-to-jaw and nail-to-claw fight, a tiger would have fairly good chance against a great ape. 
Yes, of course gorillas do use their arms and fists quite powerfully in certain situations. For instance, David Attenborough once observed how a big silverback told a sitting female that it was time to get up and follow him. He rushed to her and dealt her a big slap across her back. Not particularly perturbed by this less-than-subtle prodding, the female got up, and trotted after the boss. She understood the message, but obviously did not take the issue seriously. This also seems to support the claim that if gorillas use their arms, it occurs usually in minor conflicts, rather than serious ones. 

Very Good! well thought out and definitely plausible... I might also add, that gorilla's have been known to charge with a full haymaker! (arms flailing) which I cant imagine the sort of damage that would cause (with the gorilla enraged and wanting to do damage)  
it's easy to forget that the amount of damage/power both animals have is pretty substantial! (if the gorilla can lift a car as stated early on here) it is my humble opinion that if an enraged gorilla put his full force into a hit on top of that tigers body! it would crush something! I havent done the math... but it's easy to imagine getting hit by a car doing 50 mph would be the equivalent of that force! (its also blunt trauma which would contribute to internal damage) while the cats do have alot of strength as well... they are a little awkward giving those frontal slaps, since having to twist their bodys to deliver them negates part of the impact (unless they jumped instead of tackled) 
let's face it... a cats body is made for running, jumping! (which also uses the same muscles in a close quarter clinch or grab) which is what their hunting ability is based on from birth! (chase it down, and grab on to make the final bite) a running charge from the tiger would be more interesting and plausible since they are face to face but it still puts the cat in the gorilla strength unless it hit its head on the way down.:) it was also mentioned that the tiger would claw right through the thin skin! when infact the opposite is true the cat would have problems getting through the thick skin and fur (that's what its for, read back and you will find it in one of professional website posts) not to mention the obscene amount of muscle.

Dude I support the tiger all the way.

Savage, while most of the muscle in a gorilla (about 60%) is in it`s upper body, that does not make him as strong or stronger than a tiger, an animal with an overall greater percentage of muscle.  
 
The gorilla has an average muscle mass of about 37%. The average gorilla is about 300 lbs or so, and this means he has a total of 111 lbs of muscle, 66.6 lbs of which is located in it`s upper body. 
 
The average tiger (about 420 lbs) has a muscle mass of about 60%, or about 250 lbs of muscle. Let`s say the tiger has 50% of his total muscle mass within his upper body...that is about 125 lbs of muscle...more than the ENTIRE amount in the gorilla`s body.  
 
That does not automatically indicate the tiger is stronger than a gorilla. I would say the average tiger is about 10 times stronger than a man. However, the muscles of the great apes are highly efficient, and they are able to use a greater percentage of muscle per task, as compared with most other animals, with the result that a lesser percentage of locomotor muscle is used for tasks. 
 
For comparison, a chimp is about 2 to 4 times stronger than a human male. If the gorilla is proportionately as strong as the chimp, that would mean he would have the strength of about 4 - 9 times greater than a human male....less than that of the tiger. 
 
The tiger is stronger.

OK, let's pretend that you didnt pull your facts out of thin air, and conclude that the tiger is stronger (I havent heard that in doubt! Btw) if you were to do pull ups your entire life and just worked that one set of muscles wouldnt you think that you would be pretty good with those muscles? now let's further conclude that those muscles are able to inflict X amount of damage (Like breaking a 4" tree in half with little or no effort) and you can do that all day long. now, with this all in mind! what do you think it would do to the limb of a tiger? and or what a full punch would do to the internal organs of that same said tiger? 
I am sorry for talking to you like your a first grader... but, you keep bringing these same made up numbers up when no one is disputing the strength of a tiger!  
the muscles are used in different ways and that is the point! your not going to have a lumber jack win a foot race with a long distance runner! it's just not going to happen.  
and if I am off base here then tell me... what is your point?

Savage, i never mentioned any made up numbers. I have an actual study upon the muscle mass of the gorilla, as well as a study on the percentage of muscle mass in his upper body, and, while i do not have a study upon the muscle mass of a tiger, i do have one on the muscle mass of a lion, and concluded that of the tiger would/should be the same. 
 
And, the limb of a tiger is not so easily breakable as a 4 inch tree trunk....and you forget the tiger is likely even STRONGER. Have you ever tried to control a person that was stronger than you?...it`s nearly impossible isn`t it? 
 
I also have a study upon the strength of a chimp...an actual study, mind you, not estimates or anything of the sort. Care to see these studies? You need only ask, and you shall receive.

Numbers and percentages are so easily manipulated, it's not even funny! (just ask someone who has taken a business course) to get a true judge of a single creatures strength is a ludicrous notion at best. (not to even mention adrenalin that allows simple humans to pick up cars and helicopters in times of great crisis) and just like that lumberjack and long distance runner's contest... who do you think has a better chance of delivering that knock out punch? even if the runner was 10' tall! (although I dont think it would be a jaw punch at that point) lol it's the situation of the combat that I am contesting... although the tiger has a clear advantage (as I have previously stated) it wouldnt take much for the gorilla to disable or permanently cripple a tiger in a toe to toe fight or close quarters in a tigers death grip. also house cats break limbs and even jaws all the time from simple falls. (I know this from many years of fostering cats) and given the strength of the gorilla, I dont see how any of the cats would be as immune as you think, to the sort of strength that the gorilla can exert (unless he was asleep) btw, you mentioned how hard it was to control something much stronger than you... we are much stronger than racoons or badgers... (as most animals are) and just like most animals, they will not mess with an enraged one. would you?

Savage, no one is talking of strength when hyped with adrenalin, but instead normal strength that is readily available, not that which is available only in a crisis situation...and even then, great strength is not always possible. 
 
How would the gorilla be able to cripple a tiger...especially considering this 'foe' he is going against is not only bigger, and likewise possess a greater percentage of muscle mass, but also is far more agile.  
 
The razor sharp claws of the tiger would first and foremost rip the gorilla to shreds, before his powerful jaws come in for the finish.  
 
And, yes, i would mess with a raccoon, even an enraged one...i`ve even chased raccoons before, because there are a lot where i live, and i have so far seen about 4 or so.  
 
I don`t care how enraged a raccoon is....it it actually tries to do me any harm, i`ll just fling the animal, and probably much more. Not to say that i`m cruel to animals. No...i love all animals...but, in my own defense, those 'rules' that would normally apply to me, is irrelevant then.  
 
However, i probably wouldn`t mess with a badger, as they can do some damage, as they have sharp teeth and claws, and are certainly proportionately stronger than the raccoon.

Umm... that's why I said not to even mention adrenaline.  
Cat's use their claws to hang on, they grab the opponent in order to get the death bite (which would be difficult on a gorilla because of the muscle mass around the neck) they basically stop the opponent from breathing! 
in this close quarter grab that the tiger would have the gorilla in, the gorilla's arms would be free! and a scared struggling animal will do just about anything to get away! an enraged animal will actually do damage to it's opponent (especially a seasoned fighter like a silverback) all it would take is a punch or grabbing a limb with that kind of force. (not to mention the bite force or the possibility of neck or back injury) any of these things would be deadly to an animal that has to hunt and kill to eat.

Savage, a tiger`s neck is even thicker than that of a gorilla`s neck. A tiger`s neck can be over 80 cm`s in thickness. And yet, a tiger can bite through the neck of another tiger...why can`t it do so with a gorilla? 
 
What you`re saying makes no sense. And, big cats do not only kill with a bite to the neck...they also occasionally aim for vulnerable areas such as the lower rump/hindquarters, limbs, ect. 
 
Could YOu do any damage against someone who is bigger AND stronger than you just from grabbing his limb or punchin him? i`m sure you can`t...so, i don`t know why you are arguing this in favor of the gorilla. 
 
The gorilla is certainly a strong animal...but not quite as strong as a tiger. Not to say this would be an easy fight for the tiger...however, the tiger would prevail nonetheless. 
 
 
 

alot of that neck is hanging skin/fur. (not sure about them biting Through another cats neck either) 
yes, they go for other bites like the backside because they Chase! not generally in a head on confrontation. 
(and again not to mention the gorilla has a much more powerful bite force!) 
I could have sworn mike tyson was small... (alot smaller than me anyway) 
and if tyson punched me... I am pretty sure he could do some major damage! (this is why boxers wear gloves) because single bare fisted hits have killed people. 
I still say that depending on the individual animals it could go either way! and the tiger would (imho) not be the winner cause he would die within a couple weeks also.

Savage, i wasn`t talking about lions or tigers biting the backs or hindlegs of prey animals as they are chasing them, but during the midst of a fight. Studies show that, at least in the case of lions, when fighting rivals, they normally target the lower back/hindlegs of their adversary.  
 
while tigers generally deploy different tactics such as normally fighting upon their hindlegs and swiping each other, they can and do target the hindlegs and or back of their adversary (Dr. Karanth, for instance, mentions weighing a male tiger that had been bitten in the back and his spinal column exposed as a result, and he died a few months afterwards because of it). 
 
And, where do you get the notion that the gorilla has the more powerful bite force? The gorilla`s bite force has NEVER been measured, only estimated, and i`ve never seen an existing estimate which shows the gorilla has a stronger bite force than a tiger. 
 
Though the bite force of the gorilla is certain great (they have particular high sagittal crests)there short jaws nonetheless does not allow for a particular powerful bite like that of the tiger. The gorilla`s jaw is shaped more like that of the human, almost L shaped, and that does not allow for much power in your bite, though the bite force of the gorilla is still plenty powerful. 
 
But,. if you can Savage, prove the gorilla has a stronger bite force.

Gorilla's punch now? 
First karate chopping a leopard lol and now punching a tiger lol 
So the experts are wrong in saying that when gorilla fight they use mostly there teeth? or 
The experts were lying then? 
I've never heard or read of a punching gorilla yet. 
Dian Fossy is a liar then? 
Say Savage where can I find that? About the punching thing gorilla?gorillas?

Hey Damon do gorillas punch? or do you know nothing of the matter?

SBTIN, i`ve never heard of or seen a gorilla punching. That is just movie stuff. 
 
But, i challenge Savage to this. Find me an account where a gorilla punched an animal it was fighting.... 
 
 

Oh Please, if this is going to degrade into childish banter than you can keep it. 
first off, big cats attack the hind area because it's the best spot to attack and not get attacked back, mostly when the opponent is getting out of the way!  
As for the professional gorilla watchers they once said and absolutely guaranteed that gorilla's dont use tools! wrong answer! it has been proven that they do. (they even use stones and tree limbs) but, I cant prove they use them in fights! (no one can, thats why I left it out) the problem with "professionals" out in the field is if they dont see it... it doesnt happen! they can only report what they observe. (learn about fact finding)  
I have seen a video on utube of a gorilla charging with a haymaker, and if you watch some of the video's on there you will see that gorilla's do punch and hit!  
I dont know how to say this to make you understand... gorilla's are naturally peaceful! they dont want to hurt or maim another gorilla it's not in their nature! (generally) 
as far as the bite force (that I know cant be measured) I saw it in one of the better represented websites I think it was from here... ie: the gorilla has a bite force equivalent to about 1300 lbs up on scale with hyenas in the mammal species. not to mention that the gorilla have Huge jaw muscles... the same ones we lost that made our brains so much bigger (dna and gene research has proven that)  
and maybe punch is an incorrect wording, would Pound be better? or do you believe that gorilla dont Pound either!?!

With all my respect for gorillas, I am of the opinion that the tiger would win. If the two animals are locked in combat, the gorilla may somehow crush the tiger's ribs (in which case the tiger would lose) but it is quite unlikely that it will try to do so purposefully. Instead, it would probably bite and pummel the tiger in a rather frantic and haphazard manner. In contrast, the tiger would do precisely what all cats do if they are grabbed by a strong opponent: it would kick and slash with its powerful hind legs, probably with devastating results.  
 
If they are not locked in combat but maneuver around each other and try to deliver blows from a distance and then jump aside(which cats often do), the tiger would once again have an advantage over the gorilla because of its greater speed and maneuverability. Such a method would not inflict mortal injuries on the gorilla, however, and eventually any of the two sides may decide to put an end to this unproductive battle. The gorilla may try to flee, but it may also become so angry that the tiger would find it advisable to seek an easier prey.  
It is undeniable that the gorilla would inflict serious injuries on the tiger, but the tiger has a more effective defensive strategy against the bites of an opponent. If the gorilla managed to pin it down and started to bite it here and there, the tiger would roll on its back and use all of its four powerful, clawed feet to injure the gorilla and keep it at arm's length. This is what bears also do if fighting with each other. The gorilla does not have a comparable tactic to defend its vulnerable belly. Thus the gorilla's best chance would be to break some bones with a few powerful blows. The tiger could not match that, since big cats use their paws more to grab prey or knock it down than to beat it to death. Nevertheless, it is far from sure whether the gorilla would attack the tiger's most vulnerable points with the same purposefulness and accuracy as a predator would do.  
BTW, I am not sure whether the tiger would start its attack by jumping at the gorilla's throat (as the introduction suggested). If big cats attack humans or some strong prey, their first move is to knock it off its feet with their paws, and only after that will they seek a throat hold. If they fight with each other, they start with a swift exchange of strong blows aimed at the opponent's head. If the gorilla stands on its hind legs, it would be a relatively inviting target for both types of tiger attack, but if it kept moving fast on all fours, the tiger might indeed try to knock it down by a jump backed by the heavy weight of its massive body.  
The problem is that gorillas are neither professional wrestlers not boxers. Their preferred modus operandi is to bite, and even in biting, they do not go for a throat hold. Moreover, the tiger would probably try to knock the gorilla off its feet, attack it from behind, or weaken it by a swift series of slashing blows with its clawed paws.  
Yes, the tiger would be far more ready to attack the gorilla than the other way around. The gorilla would be perfectly happy if it could just scare the tiger away. But even the tiger would prefer to attack the gorilla by surprise. Tigers do attack even adult elephants, but they do not attack frontally unless they were shot at and wounded by the hunter riding the elephant.  
The gorilla's intelligence would not play a great role in such a fight. Gorillas fight mostly instinctively, rather than creatively, and since tiger-sized big cats do not belong to their natural enemies, their defensive instincts do not prepare them well for such a battle. In tasks which require creative intelligence, gorillas perform quite well but their mental process appears to be slower than that of chimpanzees. With much patience, they usually figure out what the solution is for a problem, but there is no time for that if one faces such a fast and dynamic opponent as a tiger. In contrast, tigers are instinctively prepared for killing big opponents in a swift and effective way. The tiger would have a hard time in killing the gorilla, but the latter's intelligence would not help it too much.  
Let me add that I read a number of descriptions about gorilla attacks on humans, and I saw only a single case when the main mode of attack was to hit the opponent with a fist. This happened to a European zoologist named Deschryver who went a bit too close to a gorilla group, and a big male attacked him. The gorilla ran at him on two legs, with raised fist, and hit him with such a force that he literally flew a few meters. Interestingly enough, he did not suffer any serious injury, nor did the gorilla continue its attack. Deschryver concluded that the attack was aimed to scare him away, rather to kill him, and he was probably right. In contrast, in all those cases when someone was seriously attacked by a wounded or otherwise angry gorilla, the main injuries were caused by bites and sometimes by the ape's strong nails. Several people were maimed for life as a result, but the injuries were mostly on their legs and hands. I never saw a single description about a skull crashed, a scalp torn off, a spine broken or a neck twisted, though the gorilla could have easily done any of these. Apparently gorillas regard their jaws, rather than fist, as the ultimate weapon to be used once they are in really serious combat. And in a jaw-to-jaw and nail-to-claw fight, a tiger would have fairly good chance against a great ape.  
Yes, of course gorillas do use their arms and fists quite powerfully in certain situations. For instance, David Attenborough once observed how a big silverback told a sitting female that it was time to get up and follow him. He rushed to her and dealt her a big slap across her back. Not particularly perturbed by this less-than-subtle prodding, the female got up, and trotted after the boss. She understood the message, but obviously did not take the issue seriously. This also seems to support the claim that if gorillas use their arms, it occurs usually in minor conflicts, rather than serious ones.

In the Congo, the only large predator is the leopard. And really, this cat is not very big. A cougar is bigger than a leopard. In the Tarzan movies, the jungle is full of lions and pythons and huge crocodiles. Not true. African pythons live in open country, not the jungle. Lions never venture into the jungle. There are two species of crocodiles in the Congo river. Neither of them is considered dangerous. The gorilla has lived in a practically predator-free jungle ( as far as the bulls are concerned ) for thousands of years. A silverback is simply not mentally ready for a fight with a big powerful predator. He has the physical power, but not the instincts and ferocity.

Predator free?  
leopards have hunted them even the silver back there are records of that 
but no records of a gorilla killing a leopard

I aint never seen no record of a cat killing a silverback! you is makin dat shit up!

http://www.angela-meder.de/publik/eep.pdf  
 
http://www.grida.no/_res/site/file/publications/gorilla/GorillaStand_screen.pdf  
 
Go fuck yourself bubba then do some actual research. 

Bubba is correct. There has never been a witnessed attack of a leopard or any other beast killing a bull gorilla, except another bull gorilla.

Toby there are no records of a gorilla killing another unless you have one show it

You dumb ass, you didnt do no research! all you did was copy n paste some stupid ass shit that dont support you in anyway! what an asshole.

bubba I did my reseach and I read it did you? 
and its only stupid ass shit to you because it proves you wrong. sorry kiddo 

Read properly In one document it said adult gorilla and in that same one it talks of gorilla parts being found in a leopard guts, part belonging to a silver back.

you aint sayin nuttin, your sayin dat you know how to research but not how to read?  
I explained dat already kid

Silverbacks are powerful animals, but they usually prefer to avoid fights at all costs, even with much weaker human opponents. They always do some kind of warning signs, like rattlesnakes do, before they strike. But a massive cat like a lion or tiger, a gorilla may just move his troop, instead of standing his ground, like he would do with a leopard. A gorilla and a leopard is a 50/50 outcome. Despite the leopard usually weighing less than half of the gorilla's mass, they are the second strongest feline, pound for pound, after the jaguar. They can use their quicker reflexes to overcome the gorilla, however, if the gorilla gets a hit anywhere on the leopard with his massive arms or powerful jaw, (mountain gorillas, Siberian tigers, and Kodiak bears all share the same bite force power of 1300PSI) it could be the end of the battle. A gorilla vs. leopard would be a much more fair fight, and they have been known to happen in the wild. The leopard sometimes wins, and sometimes the gorilla wins (of course it has to be a Silverback, because the majority of the other troop members lack great fighting skills).

Bubba you stated an opinion I gave you records, can you offer anything that says otherwise? 
B I agree but a gorilla as never been recorded to kill a leopard in the wild.

You gave nuttin, except vague records that could be interpreted any whichaway  
show a record where a leopard killed a silverback busta 
incase you aint noticed, there aint nobody in the jungle to see it happen either way. 
so all you got to say is you did research... but your research dont amount to shit!!

LOl yes bubba shit only becasue it proves you wrong lol you are a laugh. 
later man

you need to grab some sleep and think on it 
cuz aint nuttin you been sayin is making any sense Kid 
go do some real research and git back wit me when you learned somethin

Quit wasting your time Bubba. 
Yes I do need sleep because unlike you I'm a working person and the fact that I have problems reading you poorly spelled and grammatically incorrect paragraph I know I'm not talking to a mature person so like I sad later man, 
enjoy the rest of your summer holiday before school kiddo, I also see no point in trying to read what you right and reply so if I don't right back you know why.

Bad grammer and bad spelling have nothing to do with right and wrong. Swipe. If you were to see a fox eatting a dead moose, would you automatically assume that the fox killed the moose?  
 
There is too much food in the jungle for a leopard to attack a bull gorilla. Until there are credible witnesses to a leopard killing a bull gorilla, I will remain an unbeliever.  
 
And, IF a leopard were to kill a silverback, it would definately be an ambush attack. Not a face-off.

Toby I never said it was a face off. I said that gorillas do have predators (mainly leopards and humans) so I have no idea where you got that from. 
And if you have bad grammar and spelling how do I know what you are saying without having to constantly re-reading and asking someone else to translate for me?

Swipe. You fuss at Bubba about grammer and spelling which means nothing here. This is NOT a spelling bee. The thing that really upsets you is that Bubba is RIGHT.  
 
This is is ALL ABOUT a face-off. Not ambush attacks. The gorilla would certainly lose against a lion or a tiger and perhaps a jaguar. But a leopard or a puma would have a terrible fight against a bull gorilla.

Toby, a Cougar or Leopard will beat a Gorilla in a fight. I think you are over rating the ape, it's a herbivore 
 
http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=1175359 
 
Cougar kills Huge Elk 
 
 
 
http://www.carnivoraforum.com/index.cgi?board=video&action=display&thread=4914 
 
Leopard kills Gigantic Zebra 
 
So if they can kill animals this big, than why not a much weaker and less armed Gorilla? 
 
Big cats know how to deal with herbivores.

Ungulates are the #1 food choice of the big cats. Ungulates are very dull unintelligent beasts. Although horses ( zebras donkeys included ) are smarter than most ungulates. However, I have yet to see a leopard kill a grown zebra. 
 
The gorilla is much smarter than any zebra and reacts differently. So, your point is? 
 
Oh! By the way: 
 
Brown bear- carnivore. 
 
Gaur- vegetarian ungulate.

It's almost like people think cats are armor plated! I personally admire big cats and think the world of them...  
but regardless of your "Opinion" it's just not based on any fact!  
yes, cats are strong, yes they are ferocious, yes they were born to hunt! yes they can take down bigger animals than themselves that are RUNNING from them, which means... they are Running away in fear! how often does an animal stop and fight? and when it does it usually gets surrounded by cats and or has no affective weapons in the front of its body. (horse/zebra even gaur major weapon is it's kick!) an aggressive enraged silver back has almost as many weapons as a cat (plus opposable thumbs which allows him to break and shred huge trees with little effort) 
not to mention if humans are confronted by a big cat, their best defense is to stand tall and be aggressive! (it makes the cat think twice) also, Rhodesian Ridgebacks attack lions... just by being raised to be brave! (notice a common theme here?) 
btw, a little off topic... but, I just couldnt help laughing at Swipe! because he couldnt spell, and was trying to berate bubba for his spelling when it was obviously slang! must suck to be wrong TWICE! (it reminded me of a little kid throwing a tantrum) LOL

Toby why do you say Ungulates are dumb? 
Is it because they are killed by cats? 
Well guess what tigers have killed bears in ambush does that make the bear stupid for getting killed by the tiger just as how the Ungulates were killed by the cats? 
Where is the proof you have? 
Post a good working link with experts that support what you say.

'The gorilla is much smarter than any zebra and reacts differently.' 
 
Toby are you saying that just because a gorilla reacts differently than a zebra to an attack that means the zebra is dumb? 
 
Where is the proof you have?  
Post a good working link with experts that support what you say.

Suidae are in the top 10 smartest mammals. Horses are not very far down the list from pigs. But, a zebra is a long way from having great ape intelligence. Bovine, deer, antelope, sheep, goats, and other cloven-hoofed animals are simply not very bright. This is common knowledge. But, you do not have to believe me. Do your own research.

Post a good working link with experts that support what you say.  
Is all I'm asking for.

Yes I thought you wouldn't lol or didn't have a link lol

Swipe, you are so obviously a troll! (look it up if you dont understand it)  
you serve no purpose other than to disrupt and are there for being ignored. (by me) 
Grow Up and Get A Life! 
bubye!!

Is this Siberian tiger lost in the jungle, or is the gorilla knee deep in snow? Or, perhaps this is a Bengal tiger?

Post a good working link with experts that support what you say.  
Is all I'm asking for.

@Gorrilazkickass: 
 
"fuck you for being a delusional gorilla fanboy! you think that gorillas are the strongest animals on earth? how fucked up you are! 
 
i fuckin' hate gorillas not only because of king kong but also because of what they did and do to other animals! Hell, I'm sometimes to be ashamed to a primate! 
 
fuck you and your gorillas! tigers kick ass! there's more to them than meets the eye! 
 
i'd feed you to a tiger or more for typin' shit about them, you gorilla cocksucker!"

You know what, Gorrilazkickass? You and your damn apes suck dick. If you love them so much, then go die with them. 
 
Damn, you're a sheep in that you think we should pick gorillas over other animals just 'cuz we're human? Well, guess what? I don't follow that crowd since I'm a misanthrope. I'll never side with gorillas since I hate them, except for certain ones. 
 
Do me a favor and eat a big dick.

These last 2 bloggers! Does your Mommies know that you children are playing on her computer? There are adults here. If you wish to participate, please at least pretend to be adults. Refrain from the vulger language.

I like sucking on gorilla cocks.

im a pussy. i have no friends at all. i hate my life. cuz i have man tits. 
see you guys later ima go finger my pussy whole. i lick my own ass hole all the time. i should jus kill myself right now! 
im the gay kid who sits alone at lunch at school.

I don't see a gorilla doing much damage to a tiger, if the fight was caged I see the tiger taking all the wins, but in the wild, if the gorilla spots the tiger and decides to stand his ground the cat MIGHT just back off and then who can forget the black backs? 
A role of the black backs is to help the silverback defend the troop. The tiger also have more weapons and a powerful enough blow even without his claws to cripple animals in the same weight of the gorilla.

The Asian Brown Bear -- smaller than the Grizzly -- routinely preys on the Siberian tiger. The tiger only wins against a cub or a hibernating bear. 
 
 
 
This being said, the tiger is a predator. The gorilla is not. If the tiger scores surprise, it almost certainly wins. 
 
 
 
If the gorilla is prepared, it can drive off a tiger. Predators are easily discouraged. They don't plan on fighting their prey. 
 
 
 
In reality, the fight would never happen. The gorilla doesn't seek a fight, and the tiger would look for easier prey.

It depends on what grizzly you are talking about, the inland is 192 kg in the lower 48 but the coastal grizzly is in his mid 600 lbs, not to mention there are only 12 known cases of Russian browns ever preying on Siberian tigers but far more cases of Siberian tigers preying on Russian brown( whether males ,females or cubs) all year round two cases of which the bears were said to be twice the size of the tiger and the tiger dominated him, though I will admit those bears were hunted and it was not a face off. 
A 500 lbs tiger vs 350 silverback no contest tiger takes the win all the time.

The average grizzly - taken from both the inland and coastal - is 490 pounds. If I were to place a bet, it would deffinately be on the grizzly. 
 
My favorite animal however, is the gorilla. I believe that the gorilla could, in a face-off, defeat a leopard, a puma, or a jaguar. Lions and tigers are out of his league.

So Toby are you saying that a Russian brown is smaller than 490 pounds on average?

Not at all Dewoll. Actually, it was Damon ( as usual ) who came up with this figure for the average grizzly ( which includes the inland silvertip / the coastal grizzly / and the Ussuri bear or black grizzly. The coastal grizzly far outnumbers the inland gizzly. The Ussuri bear probably outnumbers even the American coastal bears. Inland grizzlys weigh on average roughly 350 pounds. Coastal grizzlys average around 600 pounds. Black grizzlys weigh from 400 to 800 pounds. 
 
I figure 490 might be a little low, but what the Hell. A 490 pound grizzly would dominate any lion or tiger.

@ Toby 
I was only comparing what Riley said and then what you said after I posted when he claimed that Russian brown bears are smaller than grizzly bear. Then he claimed that they routinely hunt tigers though there are only 12 known cases of this happening and more so the other way around. 
 
I do support the bear to dominate the lion and the tiger most of the time but at that size I would say the bear as alot to handle thought he would eventually come out on top.

Toby, 
When did I come up with this figure for the average grizzly? As usual, you probably just did quite undestand what I was stating.

Damon ( if this is you and not the kid )... Yes, you came up with this number. According to your starship data banks, the average male brown bear ( all subspecies ) is 607.5 pounds. The average grizzly ( all 3 subspecies ) is 490 pounds.

I didn`t write that last comment. And Toby, while the grizzlies in the more coastal regions may outnumber the inland grizzlies, but more data actually exists concerning the mass of the inland populations, as compared to those in coastal regions. 
 
And Toby, that figure upon the average weight of grizzlies was not made by me, it was made by scientists and even mentioned on that site you`ve shown many times when the strength of the grizzly is mentioned. It was based upon a collection of all the data concerning the populations of grizzlies which has been thus far measured/weighed.

Lions and tigers are too much for a gorilla or any other great ape. A lion is just about equal with an American black bear of equal body length. While the black bear will have a slight weight advantage and will be slightly stronger than the lion, the lion is a more aggressive fighter. The lion would win this face-off about 6 out of 10. However, the black bear will have very little chance against a tiger, unless it is an exceptionally large bear 600 to 700 pounds. The big cats have their limits.

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAAA ! NO FUCKIN MONKEY COULD KILL AN ADULT MALE ! FUCKIN EVER ! DO U KNOW HOW BIG THE LARGEST TIGER EVER CAUGHT WAS? 1000+ LBS !! GO TAKE A PHYSICS COURSE AN FIGURE OUT HOWMUCH FORCE WOULD BE BEHIND 1000LBS AT 40/MPH! 
 
THE LARGEST APE IS AROUND 650 LBS ! GO BENCH 450 LBS ! AN SEE THE DIFFERENCE !

Even though i don`t really post here anymore, i gotta answer this last post. 
 
TBK, for starters, yes, a tiger could kill a gorilla (which, by the way, is not a monkey) 
 
And, the largest CAPTIVE tiger was over 1000 lbs, not the largest wild specimen, which was a bengal tiger of 857 lbs. 
 
But, we are not comparing the largest specimens, but instead average sized animals of each species. The average bengal weighs 420 lbs according to most reliable records. The average siberian weighs 182 kg (400.4 lbs) according to a total of 20 specimens weighed by scientists in the wild.  
 
The average gorilla weighs somewhere in the 300 lb range, but i forget what exactly this animal weighs.

Hey TBK, did you feel that spit hit your eye? ROFLMAO 
I still say the "Monkey" has a better than decent chance. 
Cage fighting not sneak and destroy! 
Dumb Ass

A silverback is way stronger than a tiger even if the tiger is heavier. On top of that, gorillas have the advantage it has hands not paws. So it can grab the tiger's limbs and the tiger would be incapacitated.

A gorilla will probably win against a black bear but definitely not against any brown bear, unless of course it's a sub-adult.

you guys are retarded mother fuckers.don't you know these tigers eats brown bears sometimes if you didn't know that you guys don't know any thing. these tigers food are black bears and if they are hungry they eat brown bears. i'm not saying the tigers are stronger. the tiger sneaks up on the bear. if the bear knew the tiger is there most likely the bears going to win. i like brown bears but you gotta face the facts. :(

You forgot one thing. The gorilla are able to a small tree as a batter against the tiger. The gorilla are also able to break the neck and the spine spine of the tiger.

Definately the tiger it would rip the gorilla to pieces

A gorilla would win no doubt about it. The gorillas are 12 times stronger than humans. When primates get aggressive they don't feel pain. There are stories about people stabbing chimps when they are attacked and the chimps not being phased. In reality the tiger would run away but if it did come down to a fight it would be over quickly...

Are you guys stupid? Aha this isn't even a question the gorilla would kill the tiger within seconds. I prefer the tiger in fact it's one of my favorite animals but the gorilla is ALOT stronger and also has 2 arms that would kill the tiger with 1 or 2 swings.

And for you people saying gorillas aren't as strong or big as tigers a male gorilla grows to be around 500 pounds (638 record weight) and they can lift 4,600 pounds over their head.  
 
Source:http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1376&m=1

Im pretty sure tiger ay. its bigger more agile and better equipped.

Lol so many gorrila fanboys ay. a tiger would definately kill the gorilla easy as. in a reality not a fantasy The tiger would kill the gorilla everytime they are built for killing.... gorillas arent. Its really simple

What's Really Simple... Is Yo MIND!!! 
check it, if you pissed off old arnie... he could have put his fist through your face! in times of extreme dangers, ordinary humans have picked up helicopters! Imagine what a gorilla's adrenaline rush could do!  
This fight in the wild would be determined by who has more experience fighting! (because they both fight) and less by who has the physical ability. 
so chew on that! sucka... lol

The gorilla is no match for a tiger they even have trouble with leopards which are smaller.

ya'll must be trippin or somethin gorilla's would beat the shit out tigers man. ya'll are tigers are better equipped and their best offence would be surprise attack as their cats, but gorilla's can flip a frickin car with ease. So even if the tiger is what 600 pounds or more the gorilla could easily chuck that seeing as it could lift more than a couple 1000 pounds. The gorilla's physical strength would be breaking bones. So in conclusion gorilla's would beat the holly fuck out of tigers 
 
For the foul who said they struggle against leopards you better check your facts gorilla's are superior to leopards in every way. Jaw strength, teeth size, physical strength, fighting a leopard would be like tossing around a rag doll. Yo Ejan did you base your facts on the frickin tarzan movie

Tiger kills gorilla every time, the apes are strong but so is the tiger, not to mention the tiger is way faster and one blow from a paw swipe to the face of the gorilla would be fatal as its powerful enough to break the ape's jaw, the tiger can even easily disembowel the gorilla. 
No Match 
Tiger wins 99/100 fights with ease.

Lion vs Tiger vs Brown Bear at: ultimatecarnivoran.yuku.com

Both Gorilla and Tiger are pissed off and mean. Gorilla is strong looking with way more aggression. He will charge the Tiger HEAD ON roaring and crying out as loud as possible. While the agile and swift Tiger, focused with all attention on Gorilla's angry red fiery eyes, looks composed, because Tiger is waiting for the right split second for a sneak attack which bewilders the angry mad charging gorilla. Gorilla's eyes couldn't keep up the swift movement of the tiger. Tiger is armed with deadly hunting instincts which he has earned through vigorous hunting his whole life while Gorilla was enjoying the pleasures and pride of huge joint family where he thought he was the king. Before Gorilla turns around towards the Tiger, the tiger pounces on huge gorillas neck. Tiger uses his full force and strength to crush the neck bones of the black beast. Gorilla somehow struggling to get off from tigers deadly grip revolves and rolls around on the ground. Gorilla's heavy fists flying around in the air furiously and aimless trying to grab hold of the ferocious tiger's body which is full of strength and agility. Gorilla has never faced such deadly combination of power and skill before and in a struggle to hang on to his life force he looses his mind and focus and the only thing he feels is tiger getting deeper and deeper inside his neck. But then it happens, in the mid of this hustle gorilla regains hi senses and control when a sound struck his ears. A sound familiar to him is nothing but the roar of swiftly approaching wild gorillas who belong to his own clan. After all Gorillas are very much social and they always remain in a group. This moment rings a bell of hope for the poor gorilla. He once again gathers strength in his powerful fists and HITS the tiger who is thrown off away from Gorilla. Realizing the fatal force Gorilla decides to run and climb upwards in the tees instead of charging again. Tiger stands still positioned to pounce as soon as gorilla falls off the branch. Tiger feels very close to his victory and he gets even more excited with the taste and smell of gorillas blood. Tiger is not going to give up till its end and decides to tail the already wounded and defeated gorilla to his death. But then, Tiger blinded by gorillas huger is caught off guard by the huge gorilla gang who have surrounded the wild cat. They are fumed with revenge and anger as tiger has not only wounded their king but their pride of the clan. Seeing so many the tiger gets confused and his focus and composure is broken at last. Suddenly the Silver back attacks the cat from above and crashes his one big fist attack right on the cat's skull. The Cat is fainted on the spot. Watching the cat fainted on the soil the silver steps back to tend to his wounds. Taking advantage of the situation some pervy Black Gorillas from the gang jumps forward and starts gang raping the golden cat from Siberia. They say That's how it happens in our gorilla culture in Africa. Then all the gorillas including the silver back gang rape the passed out cat's soft and agile and smooth body, and once again the pride and prejudice of the gorilla is established back. After a couple of XXX moments which were full of pure black passionate and anger, everyone is exhausted and leaves the scene for their respective homes, while the once feared and ferocious cat lies there disgraced and destroyed. 
It was impossible to pronounce who is the winner because none of the two died until it happened.. the cat jumped off a cliff in order to do suicide to get rid of a life where he couldn't show his face to anyone and finally the Silver Back , the king of the pervy black gorillas is pronounced winner of this battle of life and death.

Jaguar maybe. Tiger no. 
 
 
 
It is amazing how some comments look so baseless. Although some good comments, I'm starting to doubt credibility here..

Lion or Tiger for sure! Jaguar maybe~  
 
Who is the ultimate terrestrial carnivore? Is it the lion, the tiger, or the brown bear? 
 
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when the tiger pounces, the gorilla would use its height advantage and bring down a blow to the tingers spine completley crushing any vertabrae ribs and tissue he strikes. this will render the tiger immobible and completley suseptable to any further attacks

Is the tiger the apex terrestrial predator? Go to: ultimatecarnivoran.yuku.com

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if the ape is fast enough, it may be able to stick its hands onto the upper and lower mouth and rip it in 1/2 and eat it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  
 
If ape is slow and gets caught in the bite on it's arm, ape can still use it's other arm to pound down the ribs of the cat into pieces in one blow.  
 
If ape gets raped on the neck, it will die with the cat by using it's massive upper strength to choke it to death. The ape will then die later from blood loss unless Goodall comes to the rescue. 
 
If the cat gets the leg, the cat's neck will become detached from the spine.  
 
 
 
 
 
Cliffs: 
 
Ape>cat

I'd be cheering for the gorilla, even though I know that the tiger will kill him.  
 
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>.> just go on youtube to see the fight, the tiger is a born killer while the gorila is on ape's listing , means the gorila is one of the smartest animals, even so, its proven that the tiger would easly win, why? because the tiger is faster and dont care about details, he just strike with claws or directly bites and fatal point and its game over for gorila... you can argue with me, you can tell me that i am wrong but you have to remember that i saw the original fight so the exact chances are: 70% wining for tiger and 50% wining for gorila.

Tigre Mike... Which terrestrial predator would you say is the ultimate carnivore... the lion, the tiger, or the brown bear? 
 
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tiger kills the gorilla 9/10 fights. 
Someone as stated here that when gorilla fights they usually use their teeth and this will not cause mush damage to the tiger, I have read gorillas in the mist and this is true. 
Biting a tiger on its leg wont do much damage to it, gorillas are strong but tigers are stronger, a single hit form a tiger can crush the skull of a domestic cattle, even with those big forearms I don't see a gorilla doing that much damage and they are only 38% compare to the tiger which is 56% muscle and even at the same mass of the gorilla the tiger still as a greater muscle mass making them the stronger opponent. 
Even if one should remove the claws from the tiger it still as a devastating blow, besides gorillas are bluffers and aren't even as aggressive as tiger, aside from intelligence the only other advantage the gorilla has is stamina but the tiger would will the ape with a few blows before he can rely on his stamina. And some tigers when tigers fight the stand and swipe with two paws which is worst that getting hit with one deadly paw, a tiger would stand at about 7-8 feet if he chooses to 
Tiger stronger, faster more aggressive and more ferocious that any age. 
This wasn't even a fight, I'd give the gorilla a jaguar or a something but a tiger or lion is way too much. 
The larger brown/polar bear however would dominate them all.

A tiger decides to charge at a gorilla, the ape stands on his hind legs and beats his chest in an attempt to intimidate the tiger, the tiger being a cautious animal stops his charge and stand on his on hide legs and begins to swipe and the gorilla face and exposed cheat areas (since a standing tiger would be a little taller than a standing gorilla)and knocks the great ape off balance and ends the fight with the downed ape and a throat bite. 
 
That's just one way the tiger could end it. 
 
A tiger decides to charge at a gorilla, the ape stands on his hind legs and beats his chest in an attempt to intimidate the tiger, the tiger continue his charge but the gorilla stop his chest beating just in time to grab the tiger by its head with both heads and manages to flip the cat over on his back(fatal mistake) the tiger would then precedes to claw at the gorillas face, the ape backs away from the tiger a little but managers to recover the same time it would have taken the tiger to get back on all fours. The gorilla angrily charges at the tiger, with the tiger doing the same and stands on its hind quarters by the time its in front of the gorilla and disembowel the ape, fight over. 
 
A tiger decides to charge at a gorilla, the ape stands on his hind legs and beats his chest in an attempt to intimidate the tiger, the gorilla does not stop his chest beating in time and is knocked over by the tiger, on his back the gorilla does not recover in time and the tiger ends the fight with a throat bite( a male tiger was able to charge at a 600 pounds elephant calf and knock him over, this was by no means a large tiger). 
Tigers when hunting use stealth to get close to there prey then use their weight to knock their prey off balance, a 310 lbs tigress can easily knock a 510 lbs Sambar off his legs, an average male sambar can with stand more force than the average 370 lbs silverback even more so than a 440 lbs gorilla which is really rare.  
 
Gorillas are peaceful animal and rarely ever fight and even when they do fight they rarely ever cause injury to each other(most injuries are caused by bites and can get infected enough to cause death -extremely rare). 
Tiger however as I said before are cautious animals and will prefer to avoid a fight as a serious injury can lead to starvation in one or both injured tigers, but with saying that tigers do fight more than gorillas and fights to the death do happen but are rare, when tigers fight they fight to injury, gorillas prefer to beat there chest and scream with arms railing but 95% will stop before they reach their opponent, and this can be fatal if the gorilla is fighting a provoked tiger, as provoked tigers have even charged elephants before.

OH fuck y discuss this tigers are fucking killing rhinos want proof  
 
http://bigcatnews.blogspot.com/2008/03/trouble-for-rhino-from-poacher-and.html 
 
so a tiger cam kill any gorilla with ease. 

seriously noobs. these fairytale stories are funny. plz put the test before posting your comment. otherwise just don't post anything at all. This is like saying if Bush got into a fight w/ Obama, who would win?

The tiger wins this fight. But can a tiger defeat a lion or a brown bear? You decide at: http://ultimatecarnivoran.yuku.com

dude, stop spamming your damn website, no one really cares!  
all the important things in this discussion have been discussed already, and if you people read you might actually learn something.

Since everything has already been discussed, then why are you here Opt Out?  
 
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hey for all you ppl who claim that a gorilla can kill a tiger with a blow to the neck or back can any of you show me a record of a gorilla killing a leopard in that fashion?  
Can any of you show me a gorilla killing a leopard at all? 
if you can post a link to a record, i'll be waiting

No one has ever witnessed a gorilla killing a leopard. 
 
No one has ever witnessed a leopard killing a gorilla.

king kong will step on Tigger. and eat it with his subway.

A gorilla will destroy a tiger. A tiger is huge and power and in a lot of cases they are larger in weight than a gorilla. But a gorilla is to powerful. A tiger can carry twice its weight and are very fast. But a gorilla can carry lift 10 times that's over 2.5 tons. One punch to the tiger's skull and the show is over.

1234 thats bull crap, show me the strength study done to prove that gorillas are that strong?  
 
Come on people if gorillas can kill with pouches why don't they do that when they defend themselves from a leopard or another gorilla. WHY? 
 
Why do they move the entire troop when there is a SINGLE leopard in the area and not fight back? 
 
BrotherBear 
I'm very aware that there as never been an eye witness account of a gorilla killing a leopard and vice versa, but if you check up above some on posted a record of a silver back gorillas falling victims to lone leopards, in all these records all the observers came across was a dead gorilla with bite mark to the body and so on that belonging to a leopard and since gorillas don't kill each others in fights then I'm assuming these apes did die of an infected wound or the leopard really did kill him or he dead of old age. 
 
But What I am asking for is a record of a dead leopard even a female found dead with injuries of a broken neck or back that was caused by a gorilla or a any record at all of a gorilla killing a leopard.

Dude I know theres no record of a gorilla killing a leopard not even a female leopard or a young adult, there just smart thats all, sure they can rip apart a small tree but a tiger aint no small tree, a tiger won't just stand still they got sharper fangs,5 3 inch long claws, they are bigger and stronger and meaner and faster and built for the kill, they kill fucking 900kg guars so whats a 186kg gorilla? 
 
you'd have to know nothing about gorillas and tigers to say a gorilla will win or just a dumb fuck 
 
Tiger wins 10 out of 10 with little or no injuries 

Tigers are actually trained for fighting while a gorrilla only specializes in roaring and scaring away. If an unbelievable fight such as this one occured i think the tiger would win

tiger pwns all 
 
gorrilla sucks!

Yall get more and more retarded... If you havent noticed there is no record of a leopard and gorilla fighting, only 1 story that had clues that were left and even those were undecided exactly who was chasing who! (they state that in the story) if a cat loses it's Suprise ability it becomes vulnerable! (that is why they run away) 
the Gorilla is a PEACE loving animal that's why it uses scare tactics! I dont care who it is... if you piss off ghandi enough he will fight! and dont act like they have no fighting experience because they do! that's why everything gives a silver back such a wide berth!  
It's a wise animal that gets his family out of harms way! (if you havent noticed... humans do the exact same thing)

It is all educated guesswork. No one has ever witnessed a fight between a gorilla and any other species. However, since the gorilla has been around for several million years, and it is a known fact that the silverback will stand his ground in defense of his harem of females and their young, it is quite obvious that gorillas have indeed fought predators and survived. Otherwise, the gorilla would be extinct.  
 
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tiger: canines /claws /bigger /skilled in fighting /wins 
 
 
Tiger!!

Let's see here, I'll go through this systematically and give advantages as I see fit. 
 
 
 
Tiger: 
 
 
 
1. Grappling ability- it takes large prey like wild boar to feed itself, exercising its muscles, and giving it experience. 
 
 
 
2. Paw blow- it has claws, thus does more damage with each swipe. 
 
 
 
3. Power of outburst energy- explosiveness, the tiger is second only to the lion in this department. To see why, google "crile intelligence power and personality." That should clear things up. 
 
 
 
4.Jaw power- this is fairly simple. Higher bite force, longer canines. 
 
 
 
5. Weaponry- It has eighteen retractible claws among its four feet. Dispite paw swipes, the real danger is the set of eight claws on its hind legs. The front claws are used primarily as grappling aids, the hind claws are used as razor-sharp knives. 
 
 
 
6. Reflexes- its a freaking cat, no need to justify this one. 
 
 
 
7. Agility- again, it's a freaking cat. 
 
 
 
8. Flexibility- the cat has a longer more flexible spine, allowing it to twist around and attack its foe in a wider variety of situations. 
 
 
 
9. Size- An obese, captive gorilla weighs around 270 kg. That's a size attained by many Siberians in the wild. 
 
 
 
10. Method of killing- the ape flails around with his arms hoping to hit something, the tiger can use a killing bite to dispatch the ape instantly. 
 
 
 
 
 
Gorilla: 
 
 
 
1. Uh, um, hold on.... 
 
 
 
I can't really think of anything for the gorilla. That's probably a bad sign. 
 
 
 
Siberian tiger should take this.

You really have no idea what your talking about do you? 
maybe you should go back to class and tell the teacher to instruct you a little better!

"You really have no idea what your talking about do you?  
 
maybe you should go back to class and tell the teacher to instruct you a little better! " 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Someone comes to defend what may be pound for pound one of the worst fighters in the animal kingdom? From my perspective, this is the ape: 
 
1. No claws, thus the paw swipe relies ENTIRELY on blunt force trauma. 
 
2. Low bite force due to large brain cavity. Bigger brain cavity=less room for jaw muscle. That's why marsupials tend to have MUCH greater bite forces than placental mammals. 
 
3. Low agility relative to felids. 
 
4. Lack of predatory instincts. 
 
5. Lack of an effective fighting strategy. 
 
 
 
The list of areas in which apes are lacking goes on and on. Tell me, what are the ape's advantages over the tiger?

You have such a low opinion of the gorilla... why is that? 
1. no claws.. and? do you really think an enraged gorilla is going to just stand there and let a tiger swipe at him? 
2. the gorilla has a bite force almost equal to the tiger! I am worried about your brain force though. 
3. agility isnt what's going to win a face to face match. most cat attacks use their stealth which is useless in this situation. 
4/5. do you really think that silver backs dont fight? they just dont generally kill! they are peace loving animals. (this is also out the window given an Enraged gorilla!) 
 
Just because scientist cant prove something, doesnt mean it doesnt happen! as is the case with gorilla's using tools! which they said for years was an impossibility and now they have been proven to use tools. 
go back in this thread alone and you can watch a pissed off gorilla running and picking up a large sized rock!  
gorilla's have the upper body strength to tear down a tree and crush it to eat the soft center! what do you think that kind of force would do to a tiger that has latched onto its neck! (you might also look at the muscles he would have to get through in that neck) not to mention they have proven that the hair on a gorilla would would negate alot of that tigers claw force that you are so fond of!  
and even still the tiger might win the fight, and lose the war! 
as 75% of tiger fights in the wild leave them both dead within 3 weeks!  
and this is just the stuff they can Prove!

mike tyson could KO a gorilla >.< but he would get get eaten by a tiger haha

mike would get one hit in, just enough to piss off the gentle gorilla and then his arms and legs would be pulled off like he was a rag doll! 
the tiger would eat mike!

Among us humans, Mike Tyson is a tough guy. Among the wild beasts, Iron Mike is a wimp. The bull gorilla would take Mike apart like a wolf on a lamb. 
 
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@ less opinion more fact (ironic name, eh? follow your own advice, dumb@$$.) 
 
 
 
You have such a low opinion of the gorilla... why is that?  
 
 
 
The more I learn about great apes, the less impressed I am by their fighting prowess. 
 
 
 
1. no claws.. and? do you really think an enraged gorilla is going to just stand there and let a tiger swipe at him?  
 
 
 
No, but his own swipes are going to be nearly useless, certainly not as enfebling as those of the tiger. 
 
 
 
2. the gorilla has a bite force almost equal to the tiger! I am worried about your brain force though. 
 
 
 
That doesn't change the fact that the tiger's bite is designed to dispatch animals of equal-and in many cases greater-size while the apes' bite isn't designed to dispatch anything more impressive than a mango. 
 
 
 
3. agility isnt what's going to win a face to face match. most cat attacks use their stealth which is useless in this situation.  
 
 
 
The cat can run circles around the ape, and you insist that won't be an advantage? 
 
Perhaps I'm exaggerating a bit, but agility is certainly a major advantage. The tiger's trademark hit and run attacks are certainly more likely to give it the advantage than the ape's ball biting and limb twisting. 
 
 
 
4/5. do you really think that silver backs dont fight? they just dont generally kill! they are peace loving animals. (this is also out the window given an Enraged gorilla!)  
 
 
 
And what will your enraged gorilla do? Push? Shove? Try and hit something? Grab the tiger? Bite its balls off? SUICIDAL ACTIONS ALL OF THEM! Apes are ill equiped for this sort of battle.  
 
 
 
Just because scientist cant prove something, doesnt mean it doesnt happen! as is the case with gorilla's using tools! which they said for years was an impossibility and now they have been proven to use tools.  
 
go back in this thread alone and you can watch a pissed off gorilla running and picking up a large sized rock!  
 
 
 
What's it going to do, try and hit the tiger with the rock? Good, it needs all the help it can get! 
 
 
 
gorilla's have the upper body strength to tear down a tree and crush it to eat the soft center! what do you think that kind of force would do to a tiger that has latched onto its neck! (you might also look at the muscles he would have to get through in that neck) 
 
 
 
If it can handle a 1000 kg guar, it can handle a 180 kg gorilla. 
 
Can your gorilla drag a carcass for over a kilometer? That's real strength. 
 
People overrate the strength of the gorilla. They hear things like "the strength of 5-8 men!" and assume that, in the grand scheme of things, that is somehow impressive. Let me tell you something: it's not. Apes are really weak animals, its just that humans are that much weaker than apes. We're the bottom of the bottom as far as I'm concerned. Allow me to elaborate. Get me the 5-8 men who equal the strength of your ape. Give them the tools of a leopard, and tell them that they have to wrestle down a large prey item and drag it into a tree with only the weaponry of a leopard. Or give them the tools of a bear, and tell them they have to dig through perma-frost to feed themselves. They will fail. Epically.  
 
Humans<Apes<Everything else 
 
 
 
not to mention they have proven that the hair on a gorilla would would negate alot of that tigers claw force that you are so fond of!  
 
 
 
Who are "they," and why should "we" trust "them?" 
 
 
 
and even still the tiger might win the fight, and lose the war!  
 
as 75% of tiger fights in the wild leave them both dead within 3 weeks!  
 
and this is just the stuff they can Prove!  
 
 
 
One problem with that. That's against other TIGERS. Animals that have an effective fighting strategy, not animals that rely on ball-biting and arm-twisting. These are animals that can score to the bone with their paw swipes, bite into your spine and kill you instantly. Not some dumb@$$ ape trying to masquarade as an efficient killer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZItE4FQU784&feature=fvw 
 
 
 
This is how monkeys fight. I don't think it could beat a jag, much less the big P. t.

The point in arguing with someone with the inability to listen is like throwing rocks in the wind!  
Yes, the tiger is a born predator, Yes, he has 5 weapons which are lethal! but as any good boxer will tell you, it only takes one punch to win the fight! 
in this case, it only takes one incident to cripple the tigers hunting ability and... like 75% of the tiger vs tigers fights, he is dead in 3 weeks. 
Your "Video Proof" is strangely like you... "Lacking" the fact that (let me say this one more time) "Gorilla's are Peaceful" not to mention that was his family! means that was the human equivalent of a good brow beating! topped by the fact that you have to rely on utube videos!?! 
A tiger beating up on an animal that does not fight back is no reference to how potent a hunter he is (I am not surprised you didnt know that) especially since the equivalent is someone sneaking up and grabbing you from behind and putting you in a headlock until you pass out!  
The cats "predator instincts" is going to make him want to grab the gorilla by the neck in close quarters, where the gorilla is going to have all of his "Pathetic Strength" (that can rip apart and tear down a tree with little or no effort) at his disposal! 
If you are unable to comprehend all of the things you have read, maybe your teacher can explain it to you!

the mighty gorilla would dismantle the tiger with in a few seconds.It is as wise as a human being despite the fact that a tiger is a canning animal.if there are 100:100 gorilla vs tigers.resulsts would be 90:10 resoectively

I have had a chance to see both animals-tiger and a gorilla. For those far away from great lakes region, I am telling u that the gorillas are my neghbours here in Bwindi. U might get surprised if I equate the strength of the upper body of the silverback amounting to 30 undertakers. I mean wrestlers. Recently it uprooted a big tree probably that would disturb an elephant. Never joke with our cousins-they are too strong for a Siberian tiger.U are welcome to have a look at them here in Uganda.

500 pound tiger vs 395 pound gorilla = dead gorilla. 
 
Gorilla vs jaguar at: http://ultimatecarnivora.yuku.com

@ gorilla fan who changed his name for the sole purpose of insulting me. 
 
 
 

@ gorilla fan who changed his name for the sole purpose of insulting me. 
 
 
 
The point in arguing with someone with the inability to listen is like throwing rocks in the wind!  
 
Yes, the tiger is a born predator, Yes, he has 5 weapons which are lethal! but as any good boxer will tell you, it only takes one punch to win the fight!  
 
 
 
Apes don't punch, they flail. The likelyhood of the ape actually hitting the tiger is about twice as good as the likelyhood of it winning the fight... in other words, pretty crappy. 
 
 
 
in this case, it only takes one incident to cripple the tigers hunting ability and... like 75% of the tiger vs tigers fights, he is dead in 3 weeks.  
 
 
 
The first problem being that in the overwhelming majority of the fights (something like 90%) the tiger will be the one walking away from the confrontation alive, regardless of what happens later. The second problem being that those fights you keep refering to are against formidable animals with claws, jaws meant specifically for killing, and effective fighting strategies. 
 
 
 
 
 
Your "Video Proof" is strangely like you... "Lacking" the fact that (let me say this one more time) "Gorilla's are Peaceful" not to mention that was his family! means that was the human equivalent of a good brow beating! topped by the fact that you have to rely on utube videos!?! 
 
 
 
Footage of gorilla fights is relatively rare, but I've also backed up my statements with information gathered from the fighting strategies of other apes. I see no reason to assume that the gorilla would not fight like a very large chimpanzee.  
 
And "peaceful" animals typically die when pitted against "combative" animals, "savage" animals, or "territorial" animals. 
 
 
 
 
 
A tiger beating up on an animal that does not fight back is no reference to how potent a hunter he is (I am not surprised you didnt know that) especially since the equivalent is someone sneaking up and grabbing you from behind and putting you in a headlock until you pass out!  
 
The cats "predator instincts" is going to make him want to grab the gorilla by the neck in close quarters, where the gorilla is going to have all of his "Pathetic Strength" (that can rip apart and tear down a tree with little or no effort) at his disposal!  
 
If you are unable to comprehend all of the things you have read, maybe your teacher can explain it to you!  
 
 
 
I know the tiger's fighting style. If it fought like it hunted, that would indeed be the case. However, the tiger most certainly does not fight by the same method he hunts. In the early fight, the tiger will rely on rapid-fire jabs with both paws and hit and run attacks. While the gorilla's blows certainly carry more force behind them, they are less accurate and lack the additional damage that would be done by claws. Perhaps a blow from the gorilla would scare the tiger, who is after all a solitary animal, off. But perhaps it would convince the tiger that it is fighting for its life. If the latter is the case, the gorilla's attacks will only serve to force the tiger's paw. In close quarters combat, the tiger's grappling ability and weaponry would give it the edge. While the tiger prefers to bite the back and shoulders in a fight with rivals, a method which serves to disable the tiger's foe quickly, I see it having difficulty overcoming the gorilla's height advantage and actually managing a spine bite. Thus, if the ape is stupid enough to force the tiger into a corner, the cat will have no choice but to go for a technique typcially reserved for prey items: the throat hold. If it fails to reach the throat, a genuine possibility considering the angle it would need to do so and the thick neck of the gorilla, it will rely on its legs to deal lethal wounds, raking the ape's belly until guts fall to the ground. The knife-like claws on its hind limbs are capable of causing grusome injuries to any adversary, overgrown monkeys included.

I Welcome our friends from africa!  
now, Stop me if I am wrong... but didnt you give the intelligence to the gorilla? dont make me scroll and quote! (I hate doing that)  
what makes you think that this intelligent animal and experienced fighter would go off flailing around expending it's energy into useless effort? (not that he doesnt win the battle of stamina) do you believe it's incapable of an accurate assault? or are you just judging off utube video again? furthermore for this fight to take place in any type of realistic format, (not that I would ever want it to) they would both have to be enraged! and would that give the advantage to the tiger? 
as far as basing your ideas off fighting style... then you should know that chimps and baboons have taken out larger cats!  
just because he is peaceful... doent mean he doesnt know how, and trains to fight everyday! were not talking about a gazelle here!  
you try to keep your family unit safe and from doing stupid things without the ability to tell them in exact detail! :)  
the one thing you are neglecting in your defense of the tigers ability is his charging pounce! which could be just as deadly as the gorillas chance hit... it could also backfire with a well placed "Flail" but were not here to discuss the "what if he falls and hits his head on a rock" theory, just the facts in the matter. (without the insults) 
btw, insults just degrade the point! (and generally show you are losing an arguement) if you lack the proper word in your vocabulary... Look One Up! (no offense meant)

@MellivoraCapensis, stop with all the lies.

That last comment wasn`t from me. I don`t post here anymore, because one poster (Ayaaz/roflcopters in wolverineclaws forum) likes to pretend to be other posters.

LOL may i remind you that gorrilas have thumbs? 
itl be like a down syndrome handicap giant vs a cat. lmfao

LOL may i remind you that gorrilas have thumbs? 
itl be like a down syndrome handicap giant vs a cat. lmfao

Although I don't post here anymore, I have to reply because I can't stand all this garbage that MellivoraCapensis is posting.

@Toby: 
 
"You're such a hypocrite. Those guys have a right to type whatever they want. It's the Internet, you know? 
 
Three ways that you're a hypocrite is that you seem to defend Gorrilazkickass a.k.a. east95, tell the last two bloggers before you that they're children, and tell them not to refrain from vulgar language when there are adults in this blog. FYI, there adults who use vulgar language even though I don't approve of it, although I use it only when I'm provoked. 
 
Another way that you're a hypocrite is that you used vulgar language even though you told those bloggers who you complained to not do so. 
 
Take your own advice if you want people to follow yours. In other words, don't swear if you don't people to swear. 
 
As far as I'm concerned, you, east95, and those other whiny gorilla fanatics are the children here. 
 
The reason that those two Gorrilazkickass haters, whom AREN'T children, told off off Gorrilazkickass/east95 is because he or she sounded like he or she was trying to shove his way of thinking down the throats of gorilla haters and tiger lovers, and because he had no respect for tiger fans. Besides, fanaticism is wrong. 
 
Are you delirious with gorilla fever? It seems to me that you are. 
 
Hell, do you masturbate to gorillas and think that you're better than gorilla haters? Well, let me tell you something: Your gorilla fanaticism made you all high and mighty. 
 
Get off your high horse and leave gorilla haters alone. 
 
Also, did you first type about a tiger winning against a gorilla and later a gorilla winning against a tiger? Sounds like more hypocrisy to me. 
 
You sound like an excuse for a tiger fan. If I were you, I'd let a tiger and crush my bones and the bones of every gorilla to pieces. 
 
If you have a problem with with the way people type, then the get the hell out of here and don't come back. We all have a right to opinion. What's bad is forcing opinions on others." 
 
@east95: 
 
"Did you pose MrAlien123456? If so, shame on you. You're such a fucked up loser who can't grow the hell up 'cause his head's too fucked up by the delusion that gorillas win against every other animal. If I were, I'd fuck a gorilla to death and let it do the same to me. 
 
And you're wrong about your enemies being children. You, Toby, and mr animalia are the children here. How you acted like a child is that you posted as MrAlien, whom I respect, and made him sound like a dipshit. That's really low." 
 
@Savage: 
 
"It seems to me that you, the one called You, mr animalia, east95, and other gorilla fans are the ones who should grow up. I mean, do you get off on talking down to gorilla haters? 
 
If you have a problem with people who hate gorillas enough to talk badly about them, IGNORE THEM!!! Responding to them is a surefire way for them to attack you online." 
 
@the ones who posed as MrAlien123456: 
 
"SCREW YOU AND BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF YOURSELVES, YOU FUCKTARDS WITH NO LIVES!!" 
 
@all the other gorilla fanboys and fanbirls: 
 
"You make me sick with all of your retarded and deluded comments. I don't know why people like you exist. You make me ashamed to be human. I hope animals that aren't primates make meals out of you." 
 
@AJ: 
 
"Can it, you gorilla fanatic! I'd love to see your precious little apes' hands mutilated." 
 
@the one who typed Kong rules: 
 
"Fuck you, deluded Kong fanboy! Shove your love for that stupid ape up your ass! If you love him so much, then why don't you fuckin' die with him?! 
 
P.S. You must be east95." 
 
@Savage: 
 
"Sounds like you have an ass kisser in the form of east95. Are you and him gay? If so, then fuck each other to death like the dumb assed humans you are. Damn, you and him are examples people who sometimes make sick of being human, who AREN'T the strongest creatures on Earth because whales are due to their sizes." 
 
@Damon: 
 
"You're wrong that the comment of MellivoraCapensis's is garbage. Are you too much of a gorilla fan just to see his or her point? If so, why try to provide east95 with facts against his gorilla love?" 
 
@my fellow gorilla haters and tiger fans: 
 
"You all deserve a big thumbs up for typing down to gorillas and having high opinions of tigers. King Kong inspired me to hate his kind because of what he did to those other animals that I love. 
 
An especially big thumbs up to you bear fans. Bears happen to be examples of my favorite mammals, although reptiles are my favorite animals. Why, I know that they're large and strong enough to kill tigers and any other cat." 
 
Another reason why I like bears more than cats is because they remind me of dogs, who I like more than cats, due to their long mouths. And because the lengthy mouth is my favorite part of an animal's body, I'd want the hands that damage it cut off and fed to a long-mouthed animal. 
 
Also, I happen to like all the facts that you posted against the sorry-ass gorilla fans. They think they're so great just because they think that gorillas 
@adam: 
 
"That's right, you're a shithead and a fuckchick. And since you love to fuck, why don't you and other gorilla-loving bastards do that to each other like there's no tomorrow?" 
 
@MrAlien123456: 
 
"I congratulate you typing against that crybaby east95. His head is so full of shit in trying to make others think like him. 
 
I also applaud you for your post @ Monday, November 23, 2009 11:29 PM because I also hate all the King Kong movies like you do and because of facts on Tyrannosaurus, my favorite dinosaur and animal. 
 
What I like the best in that post is pointing out that just one bite form the T. rex would be enough to cripple Kong's fighting abilities. It serves that stupid ape right, heheheh! >:)" 
 
@Jeremy: 
 
"You go, fellow T Rex lover! Anyone who sides with that fave dino of mine against Kong, my least favorite gorilla, is cool in my book." 
 
@mr animalia: 
 
"You're wrong that nobody hates gorillas at all. There are people who hate gorillas and I'm one of them. Therefore, I'm proud to be a gorilla hater. If nobody likes it, he or she should deal with it. 
 
One more thing: Don't let east95, the one called You, that ass-kissing Toby, and your other enemies get you down. Show them who's boss until they back off." 
 
@the one whose username is you: 
 
"Get the fuck out of this site if you have a problem with MrAlien, you cunt-licking homo." 
 
@MellivoraCapensis: 
 
"You're just as much of an awesome reviewer as MrAlien. Either that or you're cooler to me because of your facts and hatred of primates. Keep up the good work and don't bother with those people who have a problem with you. They just can't deal with you."

Wah Wah Wah!! you can tell it's christmas vacation and someone didnt get his favorite toy for christmas! 
does your mother know what you do on the internet? 
grow up and get a life! LOOOOSER!! 
Hahahahahaha 
 
btw, TRex had a brain the size of a walnut! that's why you are in love with him, finally someone in your intelligence range!

@ all I hear is blah blah blah 
 
 
 
Actually, T-rex's brain was roughly the size of...(drumroll please).... 
 
A GORILLA'S BRAIN! 
 
Of course, brain structure is more important than brain size when determining how inteligent an animal is/was. But T-rex wasn't an idiot, that much is certain.

Actually the Trex brain was bigger than a human brain,  
which in proportion to it's size, to us would be about the size of a walnut (which is where the phrase comes from) 
Also how do you know brain size doesnt matter? a dolphins brain is bigger than a humans and I would easily say they are smarter!  
mostly because they arent arguing which could beat a gorilla up more a tiger or a trex! lol

I must have still had hangover on the 25th because I can't believe the amount of garbage that I posted here. Sorry guys.

A gorilla's brain is definitely bigger and better structured than mine as evident by the garbage that I post.

As for leopard-gorilla fights: one should keep in mind that the weight of a silverback gorilla is roughly comparable to that of an adult male sambar deer, wildebeest or zebra. While tigers and lions frequently kill ungulates of that size, leopards rarely, if ever, attack such prey, and prefer to kill smaller herbivores, such as impalas, chital deer, or gazelles. While a leopard might be willing to attack a young gorilla, whose size is comparable to an adult baboon (a favorite prey of leopards), a silverback is beyond the leopard's usual range of prey. Thus a silverback would be, in all probability, able to scare away a leopard. I might also add that numerous hunters, including Kenneth Anderson and Peter Capstick, noted that in case of big cat attacks on humans, the survival rate of lion and tiger victims was far lower, because the effect of the mauling was, due to the animal's larger size, far more destructive.

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yes...  
leopards are smaller than tigers!  
people are smaller than gorilla! 
a cat is a lone hunter, and more weary about what he will try to take on, because if he is hurt he will die! and he knows this. 
so... any prey that doesnt fight back is good! (like a baby gorilla) 
the problem there is that a silverback gorilla will fight! so if the leopard cant take the baby and run, he wont do it (or attack a small gorilla and run away waiting for it to die and the group to move) 
which is back to the point, the majority of a cats fighting experience is based on stealth and speed. 
if you give the tiger the ability to do his cloak and dagger crap, it would probably be the tiger 90% of the time. 
but toe to toe is another story, because that is 100% of the gorillas fighting experience.

It is very much true that tigers (and other big cats) prefer to ambush their prey. It is by no means accidental that Siberian tigers prefer to attack brown bears (an animal whose fighting capabilities exceed that of a gorilla)by surprise. An open fight between a tiger and a big bear, like the one observed by Jim Corbett in India, is not too advantageous to the tiger. Still, gorillas are much less experienced in deadly combat than bears, and thus I consider it relatively likely that the tiger would win. The most serious combat in which the average silverback is likely to get involved is a territorial fight with another male, and I haven't seen any recorded case of a silverback instantly killed in such a fight (as some male chimpanzees were killed by rival groups in the Gombe region). A few fatalities probably occurred, but only because the bites got infected. Dian Fossey recorded a case when a young male suffered a bite wound in such a fight that healed only after a very long time.

how do you know a bears fighting ability is better than a gorillas? have you ever seen a gorillas fighting ability? I havent!  
not only have you not seen a silverback instantly killing, but I can not recollect Any deadly confrontations between gorillas! (they are peaceful by nature, there aim isnt to kill!)  
but like I said an enraged gorilla would be another matter completely! (and the only true way to judge this fight) 
the bites that actually broke the skin were more likely over enthusiastic love bites, :) because the gorillas bite force and arm strength is way more than enough to crush bone!

Earlier in this year, I described, either on this site or on the grizzly-gorilla site, what sort of information we have about the fighting abilities of gorillas and bears. If you use my name as search word, you will find more details. In short, we can draw conclusions from bear and gorilla attacks on humans, and from their ability to overcome the effect of gunshot wounds. While there were a number of deadly bear attacks, even on well-armed hunters, there is not a single recorded case of a gorilla killing a European hunter, and recorded cases of attacks on African hunters and unarmed Europeans showed a marked preference to bite and claw the victim's hands, arms, legs, thigs, and (sorry) buttocks. I haven't seen any recorded case of a skull crushed, a spine broken, a neck twisted, or a throat torn out, though the gorillas could have easily done any of these. Probably this is why most, or rather all, victims survived. In contrast, maulings by bears were deadly effective (no pun intended:).

OK, I checked it, and it is on the grizzly-gorilla site. Use Guinea or Rio Muni as search words. It was a scientific study on gorilla attacks.

are these the same scientific studies that said gorillas were not, are not, and could never use tools? 
(just wondering!) 
Once again, Scientific studies are based on only what they can prove! 
and at the risk of restating this, again... Gorillas are peaceful by nature! which is why the only way there fighting ability could possibly be measured correctly is by having them Want to inflict deadly force. 
if you were giving someone a harsh warning... you might want to bite parts that would make them feel pain and think twice about changing their ways! 
where in the case of some bears (not all) and cats, it is more agreeable to make them dinner or dead then think about how they feel! 
(the downfalls of being the guardian of things, rather than the Assailant)

I certainly agree with that many of the recorded gorilla attacks, such as the ones described by Dian Fossey or Hercules' mauling of zoo keeper Jennifer McClurg, seem not to have aimed at kiling, since the incident which provoked them was not particularly serious. Still, some of the gorilla attacks listed in the Rio Muni study were results of hunting, the gorillas having been wounded by guns or other weapons. Under such circumstances, we can assume that the gorillas showed little, if any, deliberate self-restraint, and the fact that the victims survived reflected mainly that gorillas are, precisely as you correctly noted, essentially peaceful and thus they don't have an innate killing technique focused on the particularly vulnerable parts of the opponent's anatomy (as, for instance, big cats go for the windpipe or the jugular).

That's correct, and given that all gorillas arent the same! some have different fighting experience! you would definatly have ones that would run away from gun fire, or a fight! just like there are tigers that do exactly the same!  
all creatures are a mixed bunch, just like us! there are some mothers that wont fight for their young and some that will kill or be killed just to give them some time to get away. 
You also have to consider that most tigers wont attack something that will attack them back! its great to say that they can take down a 70 ton wilder beast... but there are alot of tigers that are alot less sure of themselves.

Very much true. In some areas, wild cats are more prone to attack large prey, or even humans, than in others. For instance, certain lions prides started to regularly prey on Cape buffaloes and even on young elephants, while other lions, particularly in Tanzania and Zambia, became notorious maneaters. On the other hand, an animal's innate fighting methods do not greatly vary individual by individual, though practice does matter a lot. Thus it appears quite unlikely that some wild gorillas would invent methods of fighting that were markedly different from the techniques hitherto observed. Chimpanzees might do so, but gorillas do not use tools as frequently as chimps.

So Balazs? Which do you back? The tiger or the gorilla?

I think the tiger would win, though it is likely to suffer some serious injuries unless it manages to ambush the gorilla. In my earlier posts, I wrote a bit about how big cats' inclination to kick with their hind feet and slash the opponent's abdomen would be disadvantageous to the gorilla. The latter's preferred method is infighting, which would expose its chest and abdomen to the tiger's raking claws.

It's pretty obvious who would win, and thats whoever got the first successful strike or hold. The gorilla would piss it off with its taunts and the tiger would strike, if that strike wasn't blocked or the tiger wasn't grappled or side swiped then the tiger would win, otherwise the gorilla would grab on to the tiger and start crushing it's bones.

despite the deep opinions held between gorilla and tiger fans,i still maintain my position that if two animals are provoked to confront each other,the tiger would be a nightmare.

There is No Doubt the Tiger would be a nightmare, and would probably win the fight, but very likely both animals would die. it would not be as hands down as most think. and dying 3 weeks later is still dying! 
that's it, that's all!

i think instead of debating this we should invent something that turns us into tigers and gorillas and see who wins? i bags tiger !

this is a baised site as you can see he is saying what would happen if the tiger got luckky also there is a video only on the siberian tiger and not on the silver back gorilla

FUCK YOU MAN THIS SITE IS SO FUCKING WRONG IM GONNA RAPE U IN UR SLEEP!

The lion is better at grappling and striking than the tiger. A tiger may be the better hunter but the lion is the better fighter.

Just a heads-up: 
Siberian tigers weights more than 650 pounds and they are up to 11 feet tall.

I have a goldfish, I think my fish can kill them.

There is no living lion subspecies the same size and weight of a siberian tiger. Lions may stand a little taller at the shoulder, but in every other measure siberian tigers are greater - length, girth, limb size, standing height and weight. They also have larger canines and skulls in general. 
Siberian tiger facts 

I decided to start posting again, at least for a little while. @john; 
 
Siberians aren`t over 650 lbs. In fact, wild specimens averaged 180 kg, about the same size, or smaller than most populations of lions. Indeed, i have all the modern data available upon the subject. At least, as much as can be found upon the web. These were of measurements of about 20 adult males, and only about 3 were in poor condition, while the others were in fair to very good condition, with the heaviest being 206 kg, although specimens as large as 480 - 550 lbs have been weighed by Goodwin and Morden. 
 
Siberians are only slightly larger than lions, who average roughly 9ft in total length, while Siberians averaged 9ft, 6 in. Lions have averaged upwards of 9ft, 4 in., however, and heights vary from, on average, 96 - 110 cm, while for Siberians it is 93 - 103 cm.  
 
They do have longer canines, but, this is only to suit their purpose of lone hunting. And, they normally hunt smaller prey items. Large prey animals are killed by suffocation, strangulation, loss of blood from a cut jugular vein, ect, which is the method most often used by lions and which doesn`t require long canines, which are designed to fit between the cervical vertebrae of prey items smaller then themselves.  
 
And, the girth of the lion, even at similar weights, was shown to be greater as compared with tigers. This i can prove, if you like? The lions also had the proportionately greater forearm girth, as well.

In my last post, i didn`t mean "Siberians are only slightly larger than lions". I meant 'slightly longer'.

Well Damon, i never meant to disrespect your data regarding siberian tigers. My comment only summarized what you said. Thanks for the good info again :)

@Johnexo, it`s cool man. You know you meant no disrespect. Me either.

Gorilla would rip the Tigers face off.

wentafew, tell me, how would the gorilla manage to rip the face of a much bigger, as well as stronger animal? If the gorilla is proportionately as strong as the Chimp, i would say he is 5 to 8 times as strong as the average man. A tiger is roughly 10 times stronger.  
 
Tigers are capable of amazing feats of strength, with razor sharp claws and more dangerous jaws with teeth designed to fit between the cervical vertebrae of prey items. The gorilla wouldn`t stand a chance.

mayby tiger will attack the gorrila

If the gorilla can punch or smack the the tiger with its massive and powerful arms the tiger will never survive. from what i've learned gorillas have a stronger bite which can peirce the tiger's skin and the gorilla's fists will easily kill it

Ok...Hard decision...but no seems to take into affect that gorillas have hands and can grab..not to mention can lift a car....Also...a tiger on its back is useless...say the gorilla grabs ahold of it as it pounces..weighing about the same the gorilla would simple push the tiger off of it before it could bite it...it can also fight on its back..they are natural grapplers...Oh and are you fricking kidding me...gorilla have very powerful bites and big ass teeth...One strike could break a bone and they're skin is much tougher..

Also...tigers might be fast...but they aint that much faster...and they can't stand on too feet...If a tiger charged at the gorilla even if the tiger knocked the gorilla over it could simple roll with the tiger and easily toss it...the tiger would have to be very precise...being out of its comfort zone a tiger would be cautious and that would allow the gorilla more of a chance. the tiger woudl have to be quick and too the point before the gorilla knew what was going on..which gorilla having a much greater intelligence....i think not...Also as peaceful as they are gorillas fight each other all the time...even as children...just like humans.

Last thing...If a chimpanzee can rip a mans face off...what do you think a gorilla can do? And whom ever said a tigers swipe would stun a gorilla...really? Gorillas are like walking steel...Pure rock muscle with thick skin...gonna have to do better then one swipe to stun a gorilla...plus tigers can't step sideways...gorillas can...they can also do somersaults

I just found an apparently reliable description about a fight between an adult male gorilla and a big male leopard. The author of the article, Raymond Dart, had great expertise in primate studies. The injuries recorded are in accordance with the fighting techniques of big cats. While the leopard's victory was certainly facilitated by the fact that it attacked the gorilla when the latter was still asleep, the weight difference between a male Siberian tiger (over 250 kilograms) and a male leopard (70 kilograms) is so great that the tiger would be probably able to kill even a fully alert silverback. In fact, the leopard killed the gorilla only after a fierce struggle, which means that the gorilla was not fully incapacitated by the unexpected attack. Here is the story: 
 
 
 
About six months later, on February 14, 1961, attracted by unusual excitement among a number of birds, Reuben and his men found the body of another male gorilla, apparently killed by a leopard only a short while before. They followed a trail uphill over the flattened vegetation for 50 yards to the place where the gorilla group had spent the previous night. Judging from the nests, it had been the same family. The leop- ard had apparently sprung onto the male while he was still asleep. The fierce ensuing fight sent them rolling down the slope locked together and ended in the death of the gorilla, who had severe wounds in his neck and a huge gash in his right groin and belly. The following day, Mr. Craggs arrived from Makerere College in time to inject the corpse and take it to Kampala vir- tually intact for dissection at the Medical College. 
 
(Raymond A. Dart, "The Kisoro Pattern of Mountain Gorilla Preservation," in "Current Anthropology" 2:5 (Dec 1961), p. 510. 
 
 
 
IMHO, this factual evidence should settle the debate.

What if you were given the strength of ten men....thick ass skin...big ass teeth..and greater stamina...gorillas snap trees with ease.. The strip them bare with their hands and teeth...Even make tools...All day....everyday...tigers hunt easy pray and sleep....gorillas might be peaceful...but so are shaolin monks...With two animals roughly the same size and a gorilla having more use of his strength...being able to grab and hold and toss..yes gorillas have been proven to be able to lift cars....not to mention the phrase going ape shit....the ability to rationalize greater....come on people gorilla...

Sorry, but no one ever recorded an observed case of a gorilla actually lifting a car or a comparably heavy object. The areas where wild gorillas live are mostly inaccessible for land vehicles, and adult zoo gorillas are always kept in safe enclosures or cages. I think this is merely a guesstimate, whereas the gorilla killed by a leopard was a recorded fact.

balaz give it up you and me both know the gorilla would be boxing the shit out of your poor little cat

Jordan, wrong! A tiger has far superior strenght to a Gorilla, as it is not only larger, but also has far more muscle mass. A tiger is faster, more agile, and far better armed. Tiger beats Gorilla any day.

Gorilla would be wasted. Adult male gorillas in the prime of their life have been killed by leopards,so a tiger takes it easily. Way too much of a speed factor.

i know im wrong i looked them up and the tiger is way better. so i change to tiger. sorry i didnt research them. no need to say im wrong. heh heh

Leopard/gorilla interaction 
 
Read carefully 
one attack even took place in day time 
AGAIN READ CAREFULLY 
 
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/GGordo/gorillas/LPG_1.jpg 
 
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/GGordo/gorillas/LPG_2.jpg 
 
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/GGordo/gorillas/LPG_3.jpg 
 
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/GGordo/gorillas/LPG_5.jpg 
 
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/GGordo/gorillas/LPG_6.jpg 
 
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/GGordo/gorillas/LPG_7.jpg 
 
Note most of these are hunts and even so the gorilla failed to protect his/her self from a average sized leopard/leopardess, how will he beat/kill a tiger then? 
 
with this i ask can anyone here show a record(s) of a leopard male/female falling victim to a single gorilla if not then i can not see how a gorilla will beat/kill a tiger in any way and not just the amur tiger but even the smaller samutran tiger as well. 
 
BTW 
Gorillas are not fighters/killers they are bluffers and runners.

I'm also waiting as an earlier person did ask the same question I did and as yet to be responded to correctly. 
To brotherbear 
yes gorillas have survived for 1000s of years but that does not mean they defended themselves from leopards by themselves as groups of blackbacks will always be there to back up the silverback. 
 

I hate to tell you, this is NOT evidence, it has been discussed before. 
the first thing you will notice is that none of it in anyway points at a silverback (yes, leopards prey on sleeping and young gorillas) 
even the researchers themselves say that they are not sure who was hunting who in the one instance that has merit. 
as far as leopards having fecal remains of gorillas... that just means they ate a off a gorilla. 
as someone quickly pointed out, if a chihuahua pooped out lion remains would you assume the dog killed the lion? or would you assume that he found it and just started chowing down? 
lastly... 
you say that the leopards have no problems eating a silverback gorilla... but then admit that the regular gorillas could help defend against leopard attacks! do you see the lack of logic in that?

it would be about 50 50. gorillas barely have necks and people dont seem to understand how dangerous hands are especially when theyre that strong. And gorillas arent that slow 

The bony crest on the back of the gorilla's skull and its massive neck muscles would probably hinder the tiger in delivering a killing bite into the back of the gorilla's neck, but its long canines may be able to reach the spinal cord anyway. The gorilla would be somewhat more vulnerable to a throat bite, but its weakest spot would be its chest and abdomen once the tiger starts clawing and slashing it with its paws and hind feet. It is also likely that the tiger would deliver a series of blows at the gorilla's face, and its claws may even blind the gorilla. 
 
 
 
BTW, would you or other posters be also interested in the hippo-rhino fight? I haven't met anyone there in recent times.:))

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definitely a Siberian tiger would win. because they have a enormous ability to kill giant pray. they are skilled predator than gorilla

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I don't know english,but in these website y like to talk. 
Tiger:340 kg 
Gorilla:200 Kg 
Tiger:2'8 metres (no tail) 
Gorilla:2 metres 
Tiger teehts:12 cm 
Gorilla teeths:8cm 
 
And tiger has got claws of 12 cm 
 
 
I think tiger win 75% of times. 
 
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the tiger would win it is faster, bigger,heavier,agile and has longer canines and longer nails while the ape may have a litter strength advantage it can,t beat a siberian tiger because it is used to hunting pray larger and stonger then it's self like bears so unless the ape gets a sneak attack it can't really win

The tiger wins it meaures 8.8 to 10.10 feet in length an weights 400lbs to 670lbs it has 7 cm long canines and can hunt larger prey and althougth it's big it is fast and agile. the ape is 5ft 4 to 5ft 11 and rearly weights to 500lbs it usually weights between 200 to 360 lbs it is not a predator like a tiger so it has very little chance of winning

Charlie sheen contains TIGER blood which makes him invincible. Thus making all tigers invincible and never losing to a gorilla. Winning.

WTF? A tiger against a gorilla? Give me a break...a tiger could walk into and KILL an entire band of gorillas... one on one or ALL AT ONCE! A tiger's paw nearly breaks the speed of sound when it strikes and it can decapitate a wolf, bear or human head in one shot... so, maybe it would take two swipes to decapitate Magilla's head. The tiger is nature's KILLER next to man of course... Cats are the ultimate masters of the martial arts... I don't care how strong a gorilla is! What? You think a six hundred pound cat is weak? I'll put my money on speed and 17,500 foot pounds of striking force with three inch claws attached.

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I love both animals. But i tend to disagree with the statement that the tiger would win. I say this because i asked my aunt who just so happens to be an animal behavoirist who has written many books if a silverback gorilla is really as strong as people say it is. These are her direct words, "There is no doubt that a silverback gorilla is one of the strongest, viscous and deadliest creatures on the planet. 20 full grown men couldn't hold a silverback gorilla down." Sure a tiger could easily take down a lion or a grizzly bear but the tiger is not about to go into a fight it can't win. I believe gorilla wins. 
 

"a silverback gorilla is one of the strongest, viscous and deadliest creatures on the planet" 
 
 
 
Aha. So the silverback has a thick, sticky consistency between solid and liquid. Because this is what viscous means.  
 
 
 
Your aunt does not exist; or if she does, she is not an ethologist; or if she is, she did not say such nonsense.

tiger wins

The people that believe a silverback could defeat a tiger in a fight are the same people that think muscle-bound freaks can fight by virtue of their lifting power. As if to say that a six hundred pound cat is weak.... A tiger could fight three apes at once and they would all be corpses before the first one's dead-ass-body fell to the ground. Yes, I know the correct word is carcasses. Nothing on earth can kill a big cat in unarmed combat.

I think the deciding factor is that tigers kill from the time their born. Gorillas eat fruit and vegitation. An adult tiger has killed hundreds of animals and is practiced, where the gorilla has the tools but has rarely used them.

tiger,s paw force is near 4 tons one shot to the face and the gorilla will be seeing stars in the morning before the throat bite finishs it off

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I cannot understand how some people could possibly think that a Jaguar could take a gorilla, but a tiger could not.... Ahhhhh, I think either cat would blind then kill any big ape on earth. Also, a tiger is clearly more powerful than any jaguar. I cannot imagine a tiger losing against even five gorillas... one hit from a tiger's paw is at least 8,000 foot pounds of energy. That alone would tear a man's head off. In a freny, a tiger can develop upwards of 15,000 pounds of striking power in super speed, successive strikes... such skill humbles even the finest Kung Fu Masters. Sorry gorilla lovers, lions and tigers are the kings of combat.

You tiger fans are all stupid just because a tiger can kill a man does not mean shit a gorilla is not a man it is a fucking beast with more strength equal bite force thumbs and more intelligence one blow tiger is fucked and he is not a dumb ape a kitty vs man who wins man!

stupid gorilla fans think that the most ameazing predator on land is a joke a gorilla is strong so you think that a 550lbs cat is weak strength wise the tiger is equal with higher bite force higher paw force more agile fast tough and more aggrissive a tiger is a born killer who hunts buffalo and gaurs ad bears gorilla has extreamly little chance of winning

stupid gorilla fans think that the most ameazing predator on land is a joke a gorilla is strong so you think that a 550lbs cat is weak strength wise the tiger is equal with higher bite force higher paw force more agile fast tough and more aggrissive a tiger is a born killer who hunts buffalo and gaurs ad bears gorilla has extreamly little chance of winning

male leopards are known to kill silverbacks why would u even question how will the worlds largest cat fair against the silverback

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In my opinion, potentially the gorilla has the power to destroy a tiger, but has not the technique, i mean, if i was in a gorilla's body, i'd know what to do with human's intelligence. I also have to say that claws like the tiger's do not need power to hurt, claws are great weapons. In any case i think that it would be hard for a tiger to hold a gorilla, whose strenght is well known, and bite its neck (big cats always try to bite the neck, that's their tactic, to quckly kill the opponent), it is also true that a tiger can reach 300kg, a silverback can reach 220 kg, i'd say tiger, but i repeat, the gorilla has potentially the skills to take out a tiger.

If a Silverback Gorilla were to ever be pitted against a Siberian Tiger, both animals would be cautious in making the first move. The Gorilla would try to stand as large as possible, pound its chest, and yell as loud as it could in order to try and scare off the Tiger.This plan would backfire and insight the cautious tiger into attacking. The huge cat would pounce straight for the Ape's throat. With the Gorilla instinctively ready for pounce,the Tiger is unable to avoid the Gorilla's powerful arms and get inside. The Gorilla ferociously bites at the Tiger while wrapping the Tiger in a vise like grip. The Tiger succumbs to bite wounds and also pressure wounds caused by the squeezing force of the Gorilla's arm strength.

im gonna have to disagree..... a silver back can lift 4500 lbs above their heads....... that's like 5-7 times the tigers size... and they have... a bite force of 1,300lbs per square inch.... and their skin would be hard to penetrate.... ... one blow would prolly knock out the tiger..... don't believe those facts look it up...

Plus i don't think tigers are a match to orangutans.... they can also lift over 1000 lbs over there heads....i love tigers... but i don't think of them as bein badass 

btw... there's no proof that a jaguar kills a gorilla.. plus 

People aren't thinking straight. Don't compare Gorilla to puny human strength. We are talking about Siberia Tiger here who can drag a full sized bull for miles.

Gorilla has incredible strength WHEN compare to HUMANS. It has no strength advantage over a full size Siberia Tiger who can carry a goat while jump over a fence of 10 feet. I still remember where a real story mentioned how people found a bull killed by a tiger and dragged miles away from the village, and over 10 adult men couldn't move that bull by dragging...well they tried. So basically, it is even questionable if Gorilla are stronger than Siberia Tiger.  
On the other hand, Siberia tiger is much more heavily armed. With claws that can crush the skull of a bull in a single swing, and K9 teeth that can split the throat in an instant.  
Gorilla is strong... only when compare to humans, they don't stand a chance against real predators who are just as strong if not stronger, while much more heavily armed with killing weapons.

It is also funny people claim Gorilla can kill Tiger in a single blow. Blow with what? Fist? 
There was news I read once, two tigers in a zoo tried to kill each other, and one dumb ass zoo keeper jumped into the cage tried to break them up by using a huge full grown bamboo stick to hit them in the head. Guess what? They ignored him completely like they didn't even feel anything. Don't get confused of one punch from a Gorilla can kill a human to kill a tiger...it's not going to happen. King Kong isn't real.

Just confirmed that even leopards sometimes win fights against gorilla. They are an even match and fights can go both ways. Guess what? leopards are on the regular food manual of Siberia Tiger.

tigers are known for using tactics and strategy during fighting opponents. tigers would not dare for the throat of a silverback which obviously close to its huge arms and teeth. instead it would go for its back or the spinal cord or bring down on all its fours so that it could go for the throat. tigers could easily win over a silver back come on even leopards have been known to kill silver backs. if it was a real fight, the silver back would run away than trying to tangle with a terrifying tiger

Tigers r more skilledful and r bigger so im going with da tiger.

A siberian Tiger would hands down win, Gorillas are strong but Siberian Tigers is one of the largest pretetors, don´t you think it MAYBE could find a way or two to outfight the Gorilla? It´s what it´s born to do and it´s not like it´s really small compared to the gorilla. BUT the silverback if finding momentum could seriously hurt the Tiger and chase it away, but 6-8 out of 10 times the tiger would win, not EASILY, but it would.

Ok im going to give you a view that is fair and not in favor of either. tigers have a speed and weight advantage with large k9s and claws to match on the gorrillas side these large ages have in my opinion a strength advantage as well are constantly fighting off large cat and other gorrillas so i would give them the combat experience advantage so personally its all comes down to what there fighting to protect and who gets the first hit if you can prove any of this wrong with evidence send it to my email with a link to the site. 
 

Hate to break it to the cat lovers but has anyone actually seen a silverback fight or what they can do to another animal?? i've seen what tigers they sneak up on their prey and strike quickly and go for the throat theres no documented fotage of what a silverback can do and your all saying tigers have the strength advantage all their power is in their legs for running, jumping and climbing their not designed to fight with strength a gorilla can rip trees out of the ground and flip cars. Theres also the point of everyone saying if a tiger bites the gorilla its done for..... silverbacks have the strongest bite force in the animal kingdom it can cruch a human skull with the power in its jaws so who really has the advantage the cat that needs stealth and an apponent that is'nt expecting a fight or the power house thats smarter, stronger, equally as agile and has equall sense's?

Even National Geographic agrees, however, that tigers are notorious for backing down from a fight if they can avoid one or are postured into doing so, so while a tiger pushed to the point of provocation could probably win (they usually start to attack at limbs, eyes, face first, and gorillas walk like bears), it is highly possible that significant posturing may make the tiger back off to reserve energy for a bigger fight.

The original article is well thought-out. But you mean "incite", not "insight".

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i love siberian tigers but in a real fight a gorilla would win. even though i like tigers i know gorilla could own them anyday 
Posted @ Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:45 PM by tigerlover  
 
Dude, you need to quit puffin' on the weed. Adult tigers and lions are supreme predators that hunt and kill on a regular basis. Gorillas can defend their clan with great strength, but they do not have the predatory hunting skills of a big cat.

Hate to break it to the cat lovers but has anyone actually seen a silverback fight or what they can do to another animal?? i've seen what tigers they sneak up on their prey and strike quickly and go for the throat theres no documented fotage of what a silverback can do and your all saying tigers have the strength advantage all their power is in their legs for running, jumping and climbing their not designed to fight with strength a gorilla can rip trees out of the ground and flip cars. Theres also the point of everyone saying if a tiger bites the gorilla its done for..... silverbacks have the strongest bite force in the animal kingdom it can cruch a human skull with the power in its jaws so who really has the advantage the cat that needs stealth and an apponent that is'nt expecting a fight or the power house thats smarter, stronger, equally as agile and has equall sense's? 
Posted @ Sunday, September 11, 2011 11:28 AM by James S  
 
There is no doubt that a gorilla is immensely strong. But its best chance would be the to go psycho, pound its chest and hope the siberian tiger does not plan its predatory attack. The tiger has many, many years practicing 'KILLING.' They are a supreme predator. The gorilla could defend with strength and its bite. But it does not practice hunting and killing other creatures to survive. It could very well end up being a situation where both animals would end up dead from mutually inflicted wounds.  
 
And in the wild, most likely both creatures would cautiously back away from each other. But if the tiger decides to put gorilla on its menu, it would use its predatory skills to attack from the rear and land on the gorilla's back, going for a choke bit to the gorilla's neck, and huge claws for grip. Game over unless the gorilla can reach behind with its great strength and pull the tiger away.

A real fight between the two would go either way. Yes, the gorilla is insanely powerful, but much of their aggression is aimed at intimidation. As anyone who has ever owned a cat can tell you, an angry feline is one big whirling mass of slashing claws and teeth. The gorilla would probably be caught off guard and would try to flee after getting savaged for a few seconds. Once he turned his back it would be all over.

I think and know that a gorilla would surely win. let us not forget that Gorillas live in groups called troops. Troops tend to be made of one adult male or silverback, multiple adult females and their offspring. However, multi-male troops also exist.Therefore not alone.But tigers are solitary animals. They only come together to mate.Lets also not forget the unbelievable strength of a gorillas. and there climbing skills are amazing to sure a tiger can climb but not nearly as well as gorilla, I think we all know how would win. even if it was just 1 on 1 a gorilla would surely win.

Tiger will ragdoll/manhandle/dismantle/demoliosh/dismember/outclass a gorilla. cats are p4p one of the strongest mammal.the tiger is stronger, bigger,faster,more agile and a nautral killer/fighter. The tiger will make a quick meal out of the ape

This is all based on a situation where the gorilla tries to scare the tiger and is supprised when the tiger actually attacks. Ok. That is one possibility. What if the tiger doesn't get the throat of the gorilla. If the gorilla can flip a vehicle weighing far more than a tiger then it could shurley thow a tiger off of it. Now we are engaged in life and death and both would know that at this point. It would be an intense and awsome fight. I believe the winner would not always be the same.

IMO apes are no fighter,tiger wins via being the better fighter

I see a lot of people that are ignorant and think the tigers will win hands down. "They are better fighters" - no, they are better HUNTERS. Gorillas fight all the damn time. They're APES, LIKE US. APES fucking fight. They participate in clan WARFARE. Also, an excerpt from wikipedia on tigers "fighting" - "Male tigers are generally more intolerant of other males within their territory than females are of other females. For the most part, however, territorial disputes are usually solved by displays of intimidation, rather than outright aggression. " 
 
Stength/Dexterity - Like tigers, gorillas have immense strength. Gorillas have been observed casually snapping 2 inch think tempered steel bars. Breaking trees. There was a case of a gorilla in a Jersey zoo observed hanging from the ceiling and ripping out 200 feet of ceiling beams. There are no other animals outside of the great apes with the same combination of dexterity and strength. If a gorilla can rip out ceiling beams with one arm and snap 2 inch think tempered steel, imagine hammerfist going into the tigers skull or into his precious canines. It'll be DONE. I'm not evening mention how gorillas can use all 4 limbs effectively.  
 
Keep these things in mind in a battle between a gorilla and a tiger. So a silverback will have more fighting experience, because he spent his whole life fighting for territory and alpha-male status. He's more intelligent. He's as strong or stronger than a tiger. He has HANDS. When they fight he can grab what he needs to with his 4 hands, to hold down the tiger and bash his skull/chest/etc. into oblivion or bite the shit of them (they have one of the most powerful jaws in the animal kingdom). If you have a large dog and play fight with him, you'll know what I mean. It's easy to hold down a dog (unless you're a bitch). The only thing the dog has over us is a crushing bite and speed. Now, imagine you had more strength, thick skin, dexterity of a gorilla, and your arms are basically war hammers. Yeah - it'll be a more even fight. 
 
So what I'm saying is - it'll be a fairly matched fight. The outcome will be up to the contestants. I personally would put my money on the gorilla. The gorilla will suffer heavy damage for sure from cuts and bleeds. 
 
 
 

tiger: dodge,dodge, swipe. 
gorrilla: miss, miss, scream, "OWWWW!" 
 
:P 
 
seriously a tigeris a skilled killer, agorrilla eats grass

Gorilla will win because it is bigger and stronger but i support both because tiger also has claws and scary teeth.I think it would be a draw.

The Gorilla wins. Why? Strenth of 15 men, a brain slightly smaller than ours alpha male dominance and all the people on here seem to be tiger fan boys. Every fight the tiger wins? Really? Polar bear is the largest (quick for it's size) land carnivore on the PLANET. Dumb nigguhz.

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No it would be a draw because gorilla is stronger but the tigeris fast and slim.See the fight results what i think. 
 
Tiger:dodge,miss,shot,scream. 
 
gorilla:Miss,dodge,scream,Punch. 
 
tiger:slash with the claw. 
 
gorilla:punch on the spinal cord. 
 
results:the tiger died due to broken spinal cord.Gorilla died due to deadly scratchs.Tiger could win because It can the animals any organ.Gorilla can win If....had n`t u seen in baby`s day out?

No one animal can ever kill a cat without being considerably larger and heavier. Even a poisonous snake cannot; including juvenile cats- considering the cat's reflex. Put a Monkey and a Bobcat to fight- and bingo- You got the answer!! 
 
Gorillas may be intelligent, though certainly don't fight very intelligently and only fight themselves in general. 
 
Neither us humans display very intelligent skills of fighting, akin to all apes. We predominantly fight with the lesser powerful weapons- our hands. We are no match for cats. A cat, if not largely outweighed by us, would always have us into pieces. 
 
The Rhino, Elephant or Hippo are very powerful,too'- but are mastered by some cat or the other- 2 or even 4 or more lions/tigers don't make up for the weight of these giants, yet they are eaten by cats, thanks to the lightning reflexes of the hunting maestro. 
 
now just imagine what were to happen if Elephants, Rhinos, Hippos, Polar Bears & Crocs or anything for that matter, were to fight a cat of their own size- they would be toyed with and brutally mutilated. 
 
Although debatable, there must have been some thought behind an ape always naming a cat, depending on the inhabited area, the King of Kingdom Animalia. 
 
Gorilla is not the most intelligent ape, Tiger/Lion are the strongest cat!! 
 
No contest!! 
 
Thank You!

Get your facts right! A siberian tiger weighs 800 lbs while a gorilla weighs only 350. The tiger would easily win!

tiger wins

Gorilla would out smart the cat and when the cat attacks it would be too late cause the gorilla would already broken its back.I see most of you are tiger lovers well if so watch out cause the gorillas coming for you tiger lovers.

when will you tiger loving fags get it. a tiger kills things who cant defend itself. so it cocky every time it fights. a gorilla on the other hand fights when it has too with all of its heart cause usually its fighting for its family. so i say that to say let a tiger come into a gorillas circle of family it will loose every time. to go even further the strength plus the density of this animal will overwhelm a tiger. a tiger will look to put maximum power in its attack by going to the strongest muscle in its body its hind legs and right there it over that low center of gravity and bull like wrestling style of a gorilla on the attack would put the cat on its back an then the the utter decimation of the tiger will begin. ground and pound bone crushing strength and an insane attitude. night night tiger. look at it either way the tiger will always leave the ground and the gorilla will always plant and bull dose.

ivorian your an idiot lions dont attack a healthy animal that big ever you idiot so whatever animal show you watched that rhino was old sick dying or tranquilized  

everyone knows that a premeditated murder has nothing on a murder done out of passion. yes the cat is a killer naturally but when that gorilla is driven to kill lets just say its that of a similarity of a samurai given a mission to be carried out and trust they do it with magnificence

Alright...both animals, if driven mad, can turn dangerous, the tiger is a hunter, he has that killing instinct, very lethal (in an australian accent) lolz...the gorilla would be like the hulk, throws temper tantrums, could hurt the tiger if he got to it, but the tiger holds speed over him, so it wouldn't be that easy..it really depends on the animal. But i say tiger, just because..

Gorillas are good fighters but to put them agaisnt a tiger is just stupid. I am not going to state why, its just too obvious.

Actually Tigers spend a great deal amount of time fighting, in their natural habitat, Tigers fight with wolves, leopards, brown bears and others that I forgot(my apologies). as well as other tigers for dominance. Tigers are actually more of a fighter than a Lion but it also does more predatory things. an average wild tiger is around 517 lbs and is the most capable killing mammal on the planet when you combine it's agility and aggressiveness along with it's size and strength and equipment. The Gorilla may be very big and strong but it's not as equipped as a Tiger. The tiger spends it's life hunting and fighting and the gorilla well it might spend time fighting everyone once in a while for dominance or to protect itself but not hunting and its not agile like the Tiger. Also the Tiger does have an extremely powerful bite with teeth longer than a Lion's as well as razor sharp claws it can use. The Gorilla has strength and a couple teeth. Really you're trying to match up brute strength vs skill, agility and proper equipment. Hard to say but people should really at least do their research on at least one of the animals in question before making a comment

Very scientific. When will nature finally get rid of brainless humans?

Actually the Tiger does not have more fighting experience than a lion, because lions fight over prides, and not to mention they will take down buffalo, zebra, elephant calves, hyenas, leopards, and even hippos on occassion. And if you get enough of them, they will take on a full grown elephant. The tiger is just a better hunter, because they hunt by themselves..not a better fighter though.

I respect the gorrila's power, but it could on top of a freaking elephant charging the tiger with a machine gun and the tiger would still jump up out of nowhere and slash its face off.

look at king kong. he broke a trex's jaw in half and bit off his damn tounge. yall tiger malesters who think it can beat a gorilla you have never seen a silverback gorilla fight.it uses its hands and feet to bash metal bars and tough skin now imagine it smashing a tigers back or skull in half.yay its pretty much 50 50 but i go for gorilla

ive noticed on nearly all the comments it says gorilla, were talking about a silverback, now that ive said that a silverback is stronger than a tiger and more aggressive and even if the tiger managed to pounce on the gorilla it could still break its neck, that is why more often then not a silverback gorilla would win

Guys stop tlking shit to each other. This fight cean go either way. But in yhe first place I doubt if they ever meet in the wild they will to cause conflict. This would be battle of what there fighting over snd who gets the first lucky that wil either be the gorilla getting a blow to the spine or the tiger getting to the apes neck.

Gorilla would so own the tiger no question. Don't forget how much smarter a gorilla is than a tiger!

I'd back the Gorilla to win due to his superior brains, opposable thumbs, longer reach, and terrible aggression in his defense of the troop. If a raging chimp, a 1/3rd the size of a gorilla can overpower and severely mangle a grown man. I hate to think what a 495LB gorilla can do with the same attitude. 
 
Gorillas have stretched car tires like rubber bands before: http://midwestliving.coverleaf.com/midwestliving/20100910?pg=40#pg40 
 
In a face to face contest, I see the Gorilla using his stronger arms and upper body strength to overpower the tiger and force him to his knees. 
 
Gorillas use their bites to break tough vegetation like bamboo or fight off rival males. The same applies here. 
 
Humans have killed tigers barehanded. Don't see why a gorilla can't do the same with the same adrenaline burst.

Not to mention, Gorillas have longer reach + opposable thumbs which they can use to halt a tiger from reaching its neck. He will use his dexterity to grapple, control, and manipulate the cat into a bad position. Then the tiger is in a world of trouble. The gorilla can: 
 
1. Pry his jaws apart 
2. Grabbing and wrenching/yanking the tiger's limbs and breaking them 
3. Eye-gouging 
4. Strangling 
5. Tearing extremities 
6. Ripping sensitive facial areas 
7. Grab a rock or branch to try and bash off the tiger 
 
In all honesty, I see the ape outsmarting its way to a win.

ONJE shot from a tiger's paw will crush the ape's skull.the tiger can be as stronge as 10 men higher bite force much higer paw sweep it kills on regular bases.it's a born killer.the ape chances are very little and when has a human killed a tiger barehanded?

Im sorry to all the Gorilla fan boys but this wouldnt be close. 
 
A Tiger, Bengal or Siberian would be far, far, far too much for a Gorilla. A tiger easily matches the Gorilla for strength, we are talking about an animal that can drag a 2000lb Gaur across thick jungle. 
 
Outside of this a Tiger has a massive advantage with its canines & claws. Its a killing machine, a Gorilla is a peaceful vegetarian. 
 
Gorillas have a very intimidating look but they are not aggressive creatures, and not killers. Any Gorilla would be killed by a Lion, Tiger or Brown Bear. 
 
A leopard would be a fairer fight.

Not even close. Tiger would win easily. To fast, to strong, to big, to ferocious, to easy. Tiger kills prey way bigger all the time.

For the tiger to win this he would have to pounce on the gorilla and almost instantly kill him by biting his neck... For the gorilla to win this he just needs to come in contact with the tiger with his arm... These scenarios could happen if gorilla doesnt die from the pounce... Scenario1:if the gorilla hit the tiger in mid-air that would be (if gorilla was 600 lbs) 4,800 lbs (2.4 tons of force) of force so I don't think the tiger would live and if it did it would have massive head trauma (concussion) and it would be KOed right there... Gorilla wins scenario2:if the tiger pounced and got the gorillas neck (or if he just got pounced) but the gorilla didn't die the gorilla would throw it off of him and continue after it and it would pumble the shit out of the tiger again 4,800 lbs (2.4 tons) of force and this would happen more than just once... Gorilla wins... I think gorilla wins in a 1 on 1 match with any big cat and almost any land mammal (yes even a kodiak bear) o that reminds me scientists have made a hybrid of a gorilla and a grizzly no joke look it up

This is probably the biggest mismatch on this site. 
 
A 600 lb Big cat against a 400 lb Ape? Really? Common! 
 
You're practically feeding the Tiger! 
 
Siberian Tiger vs Grizzly Bear is a better face-off, although I'd still go with the Tiger.

Gorilla wins in a face off I don't see how people could think otherwise gorilla would break the tigers skull 1 swing

You can teach a gorilla to use weapons - gorilla easy with a 12 gauge.

I'd say most times these two fight, it wouldn't be a blowout victory, but the tiger would definatley win. The gorilla can bite though, at least as hard as a tiger can. The gorilla is considerably stronger, but the tiger is'nt exactly weak. Also, both animal are very cunning. The tiger is a solitary hunter, and has to think to catch prey, while the gorilla is just naturally smart. The gorilla is probally usually a little bit smarter, but not to an advantage. But the tiger has SPEED. The gorilla is'nt slow, but it is'nt considerably fast. It doesn't have to chase it's food. The tiger is FAST, faster than a lion. It goes in swiftly for the kill, and the gorilla might get some hits on it. Yes, one hit from the gorilla could kill, but not only is there a chance that it will miss, but there is also a chance that it won't do anything. And, a tiger is stealthy, and a gorilla would easily give away it's position. And a gorilla beating it's chest would only piss the tiger off; they don't run from fights. They kill freaking guar; the biggest cattle on earth. They are like bufallo, but larger; they can exceed 3,300 pound. So long story short, 7/10 of the time the tiger wins and lives on, 1/5 it wins but later dies of it's injuries, and 1/10 of the time it wins. Mabee less often.

I take that back a gorilla would win probably 1/5 of the time, 3/5 of the time the tiger will win and survive and 1/5 of the time the tiger will win but die later. The tiger could instantly kill with a bite to the neck or mabee chest, while the gorilla could win instantly with the blow to the head or chest, or break the tiger's back, in which case the tiger either dies after being immobalized and beaten to death, which would'nt take long. But it would most likely probably get a few bites/scratches on the gorilla, but most likely not to serious. So the tiger wins more because of agility and speed, but not bye a whole lot.

The Tiger would lock in with it fangs and then the Gorilla would just rip the Tiger's head apart. The Gorilla may die from its injuries though, but the Tiger's head is just too vulnerable to those big ass Gorilla arms.

I agree somewhat with Luke, but a 660lb siberian tiger vs a 3,300lb gaur head-on do you think a tiger stands a good chance? I'd say .5/10, a 600lb gorilla vs a 3,300lb gaur I'd treat this like the gorilla vs a 3,300lb hippo it would have to sneak up on it so it can pick it up throw it. I'll explain myself more on this. A 600lb gorilla vs a 660lb tiger head-on both POed as a bull at the other, so they would know and see the other clearly, I'd give this 9/10 to the gorilla, this would be a major disadvantage for the tiger as it doesn't fight it's prey head-on. Now for a more realistic situation would be 600lb gorilla vs a 660lb tiger the tiger has been stalking the gorilla it's unaware of the tiger, I'd say 8/10 tiger wins, most of the time it'll end when the tiger pounces and bites gorillas neck, plz tell me do they kill bears almost instantly like that? Anyway if it doesn't die right away then the gorilla could rip off it's jaw. On another note a gorilla can lift 8x it's weight.

-_- seriously, why would u think a Gorilla could own a tiger when a gorilla's main nemesis in the jungle is a jaguar \ leopard....seriously we are talking about one the biggest cats on earth, yeah a gorilla isstrong but seriously what makes u think a tiger gonna stand still to let the gorilla grab it or w/e tiger would MAUL a gorilla

I change my winning/losing stats in a head-on fight 7-8/10 gorilla, realistic 8-9/10 tiger

The problem with tiger supporters is they are entirely irrational, they seem not to understand that the reason why Tigers can kill larger animals whom they normally could not kill, is the element of surprise. Tigers have special paddings on their feet, their coats blend in with the forest background (yes surprisingly orange blends in with the brown of the forest), tigers have special hearing and can hear through the bush that a human could not detect. A Tiger could follow you off hearing alone. 
 
To put it in human perspective, a 5 foot woman could kill andre the giant if she snuck up on him and stabbed him in the neck. But face off and she'd be destroyed. Likewise the leopard can kill a sleeping gorilla, but would never dear attack one head on. 
 
The gorilla has a set of weapons like: arms, hands, an opposable thumb, ability to stand, ability to block neck with chin. That the tiger is not use to. That is if the tiger attempted to bite the gorilla in its next, all the gorilla would have to do is raise its shoulder or lower its chin, and the tiger would not be able to successful get at its neck. Further for the tiger to get to the gorilla's neck it'd have to make it past the tigers arms. Which the gorilla could use to beat it to death, or use its opposable thumbs to choke the tiger to death. Not to mention the gorilla can also bite the tiger in its neck and kill it as well. 
 
The tiger has no chance of killing a gorilla head on because the gorilla has too many defensive tools. The gorilla could easily use its shoulders, chin, long arms, hands etcetera to cover up its head and neck region like a boxer. The tiger has no way to even cover its neck. The Gorilla basically has four hands and could even use its feet and the claws on its feet to gore the tiger and rip its guts out in the event the tiger were to mount the gorilla and attempt to kill it. the gorilla also has thick padding on its under belly so its no easy for the tiger to gore or impale the gorilla. 
 
If this was some fight where the tiger was stalking in the wild, sure, because the tiger woould pounce out of nowhere and catch the gorilla off guard and slice the gorilla throat. But animal FACE OFF, takes away that possibility, its 2 animals in a cage fighting to the death. The tiger's biggest weapon is gone (surprise). Further tiger's usually prey on the weakest sickest animals in a pack who can't run away from it, in fact a healthy guar would easily murder a tiger face to face, which is why tiger's stalk. 
 
If the tiger attacked the gorilla, the gorilla would smash the tiger's head in, or choke it to death with its long arms. Alternatively, the tiger could use its forearme to hold the tiger back and use its feet claw-hands to rip out the tiger's soft underbelly. In fact the gorilla would destroy any big cat and probably every preditor animal but the polar bear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMx5lxJJvbM 
Basically what would happen to a tiger, one hit anywhere on the tiger, = broken bones, dead tiger, broken back, skull, neck, whatever. A gorilla can flip a 2 ton car with one hand, and once he gets a smash on the tiger, its dead

Tiger would win because he has a strong bite and strong claws, Gorilla has only strong arms (his bite is low).

@hermandy gorillas have nails not claws and it would probably lose to a 20 ft saltwater Crocadile @cheetah strong and long arms beat strong claws and your wrong about a gorilla bite it's actually more powerful than a tigers probably not as effective but the tiger has 1000 the gorilla has 1400

Kodiak gorilla/silverback bear/gorilla bear 
Silverback traits: upper body strength, intelligence, 4 big canines, bite force, big head, long arms, hands, big shoulders, silver back hairs and feet- Bear traits: sharp teeth, killer instincts, aggressive, nose, claws and legs- evened out traits: 7'3", 700lbs, omnivore... Can't think of any more

@Cheetah Silverback would win all the way, dont say things your not sure of, Siberian tigers bite force is 800 pounds per inch, Silverback gorillas is 1300 easily one of the most powerful jaws. Not to forget the gorilla has alot more muscle strength.

I think this would be a better match up than people expect. Gorillas are not only much stronger, they are extremely intelligent compared to the tiger, which needs to be factored in. The gorilla would be smart enough to know not to enter the fight unless it felt it had a real chance to win. 
 
Tiger wins 6 of 10 head to head.

Silverback wins hands down. I'll take brute force over a wicked bite anyday. What good is that tiger when a gorilla punches him right in his face, gets him on the ground and pounds him over and over?

i would like more information on gorillas

The tiger would kill the gorilla without much of a struggle.  
 
Leopards can kill gorillas. Tigers are several times the size of leopards.  
 
Siberian Tigers are much stronger than gorillas (makes sense considering they are several hundred pounds heavier), they can drag 3300 pound gaur for good distances, and have been seen traveling up river while carrying 500+ pound animals. They can run with oxen in their mouths.  
 
People saying gorillas would tear tigers apart have been watching too much King Kong. They prefer to avoid fights, especially against big cats (ever heard of a gorilla killing a lion?).  
 
They are weaker, slower, less agile, probably don't bite as hard (their bite force has never been fully tested, nor has their strength, and both are likely extremely overrated).  
 
Gorillas are built to intimidate. They are not the natural born killers that cats are, and Siberian tigers are the biggest of them all.  
 
A tiger can crush a cattle's skull with a single paw swipe. They also have razor sharp claws 
 
Any way the fight goes (head to head, attack from behind, from the side, etc), the tiger wins instantly.  
 
I'd like to point out that a 400 lb gorilla is abnormally large, whereas a 400 pound Siberian tiger is kind of small. 
 
The gorilla would have to run away. If it was dumb enough to actually fight the tiger, it would be lunch. 

Like I said, this is not even a fight, this is a hunt.  
 
A closer fight would be Sloth bear or Black bear vs a Gorilla, and even then the gorilla would probably lose.  
 
Kodiak bear vs Gorilla? Are you guys serious?

Lol at a gorilla overpowering a SIBERIAN TIGER. 
 
Are you guys high? The gorilla will get pinned down and torn to shreds in a matter of seconds, and that's if the gorilla is dumb enough to actually fight the tiger.

"The tiger would kill the gorilla without much of a struggle." I agree if realistic "Leopards can kill gorillas. Tigers are several times the size of leopards." name 1 time they killed an enraged fully grown silverback head on "Siberian Tigers are much stronger than gorillas (makes sense considering they are several hundred pounds heavier)," depends I'll agree their much stronger overall but certain part of tiger vs upper body strength of silverback I'll take silverback also heavier means nothing without knowing body proportion if going purely by weight then a 15 ft bear weighing 300 lbs would beat a 5'8" man weighing 180 lbs when in reality the bear would be severally underweight probably would barely be able to if at all able to lift itself up "they can drag 3300 pound gaur for good distances, and have been seen traveling up river while carrying 500+ pound animals. They can run with oxen in their mouths." this is because they have overall good strength "People saying gorillas would tear tigers apart have been watching too much King Kong." don't remember me ever saying that but someone else might have "They prefer to avoid fights, especially against big cats (ever heard of a gorilla killing a lion?)." this made me lol since when do they meet any other big cat besides leopards? "They are weaker, slower, less agile, probably don't bite as hard (their bite force has never been fully tested, nor has their strength, and both are likely extremely overrated)." tiger's bite is weaker and there probably not stronger but agree with slower and agile "A tiger can crush a cattle's skull with a single paw swipe. They also have razor sharp claws" yes this would help it alot "Any way the fight goes (head to head, attack from behind, from the side, etc), the tiger wins instantly." not true you can't honestly say if the silverback was enraged and somehow sneaked up on it's side out of vision and it would be unable to hear him for some reason the tiger still win "I'd like to point out that a 400 lb gorilla is abnormally large, whereas a 400 pound Siberian tiger is kind of small." no that's right above under making it normal the normal weight for a male gorilla (not just silverbacks) is 310-440 lbs very wide range but remember their average height is around 6ft tigers are about 4ft tall and about 7ft long and weight is 475lb (seems off to me correct me if I'm wrong) "The gorilla would have to run away. If it was dumb enough to actually fight the tiger, it would be lunch." it would have much better shot at fighting as you said it their slower than the tiger "A closer fight would be Sloth bear or Black bear vs a Gorilla, and even then the gorilla would probably lose." no weight and height is to close with black bear it would be to weak but who knows it does have claws "Kodiak bear vs Gorilla? Are you guys serious?" ya a it could probably break it's ribs or punch it in the balls lol "Lol at a gorilla overpowering a SIBERIAN TIGER." it probably could "Are you guys high? The gorilla will get pinned down" no unless it gets stuck to were it can't move it's arms to lift itself off the ground didn't feel like addressing rest of your statement... Imagine if something had arms of silverback and legs of a tiger

Felt like addressing this again "Leopards can kill gorillas. Tigers are several times the size of leopards." Honey Badgers can kill lions. Leopards are several times the size of honey badgers... Your logic is self defeating.

Gorillas simply are not built to be able to take on large predators like tigers. This is basic stuff.  
 
The overrating of apes is something that many people do.  
 
A silverback gorilla would not be interested in fighting a tiger, if the tiger challenged the gorilla, the gorilla would probably try to intimidate the tiger in hopes that the tiger will back down. If the tiger doesn't back down, he's got a hell of a problem. 
 
Tigers HAVE to be strong because they have to be able to overpower their prey. They are very large animals so it takes a lot of food to fill them up, so they occasionally have to take things like gaur and buffalo down.  
 
Gorillas have no natural predators and spend much of the day doing NOTHING so they don't need to be as strong as big carnivores like tigers. The only time they get preyed on is when the occasional male leopard wanders into their territory. It is a documented fact that leopards have killed gorillas (leopards are essentially much smaller and weaker versions of tigers, they possess the same basic abilities just on a smaller scale). 
 
A gorilla would NEVER be able to sneak up on any cat, nor would it even try too. A cat can hear a mouse walking, you think a gorilla's gonna sneak up on it? What kind of suicidal gorilla would even attempt that?  
 
Tigers are also much more agile and well-balanced and more experienced fighters (male tigers fight over territory and mates all the time, and their fights are much more fatal than the ones that most other cats have).  
 
Gorillas simply are not built to deal with animals like tigers. Gorillas are in NO WAY stronger than tigers, their strength is not even comparable. Like I said, gorillas have no need for that kind of strength. Tigers are solitary hunters that co-exist with elephants, rhino, brown bears, gaur, and buffalo. They have to be ridiculously strong or they won't eat.  
 
And no, a black bear is much stronger than a gorilla. They can climb 15 foot trees in a matter of seconds (while weighing 400 lbs), and they also have the advantage of claws. 
 
Also, do you realize that a Kodiak can weigh up to 1500 lbs, and has bones that are as dense as a rhino's? A gorilla would run like hell if it somehow came across a kodiak. That's just a brutal mauling waiting to happen (gorilla has even less chance against a kodiak than against a tiger). 
 
 
 
 

A siberian tiger would win this 8-9/10  
 
But a tiger would never attack a gorilla, simply because it's a smart predator and wouldn't want to risk anything.

"The overrating of apes is something that many people do." The overrating of big cats is something that many people do... "A silverback gorilla would not be interested in fighting a tiger," an enraged 1 would "Tigers HAVE to be strong because they have to be able to overpower their prey." no they don't they just HAVE to sneak up on it, a tiger CAN'T overpower a gaur "They are very large animals so it takes a lot of food to fill them up, so they occasionally have to take things like gaur and buffalo down." until they regularly kill healthy prime gaur or buffalo face to face it's irrelevant and gaur are more likely to kill a tiger if they encounter eachother "Gorillas have no natural predators and spend much of the day doing NOTHING so they don't need to be as strong as big carnivores like tigers." no apex predator has any natural predators, the male lion sleeps most of the day "The only time they get preyed on is when the occasional male leopard wanders into their territory. It is a documented fact that leopards have killed gorillas (leopards are essentially much smaller and weaker versions of tigers, they possess the same basic abilities just on a smaller scale)." a leopard sneak kills gorilla or just kills baby/sick, face to face gorilla wins "A gorilla would NEVER be able to sneak up on any cat," what about deaf and blind 1s? "nor would it even try too. A cat can hear a mouse walking, you think a gorilla's gonna sneak up on it? What kind of suicidal gorilla would even attempt that?" read better next time I said somehow then even said the tiger wouldn't be able to hear it "Tigers are also much more agile and well-balanced" 1st smart thing you've said "Gorillas are in NO WAY stronger than tigers, their strength is not even comparable. Like I said, gorillas have no need for that kind of strength." they break bamboo like people break small/weak sticks, some gorillas sleep in trees so they lift themselves, they also walk on all 4s "Tigers are solitary hunters that co-exist with elephants, rhino, brown bears, gaur, and buffalo. They have to be ridiculously strong or they won't eat." no just quick "And no, a black bear is much stronger than a gorilla. They can climb 15 foot trees in a matter of seconds (while weighing 400 lbs), and they also have the advantage of claws." claws don't help your strength although you were probably talking about in a fight, so when did gorillas stop being able to climb a trees "Also, do you realize that a Kodiak can weigh up to 1500 lbs," yes "has bones that are as dense as a rhino's?" how do you know this "A gorilla would run like hell if it somehow came across a kodiak." why would it do that it would see it and probably either keep it's distance or try to intimidate it but kodiaks are shy so they'd probably keep their distance "(gorilla has even less chance against a kodiak than against a tiger)." I don't think so tiger is much more agile then the kodiak

I in fact know that a gorilla would win because in the description on which animal would win they left out some key points that a gorilla would do. first of all after a gorilla did rise and pound his chest,gorillas immediately go back down to all fours. and after a tiger does pounce the gorilla would catch the tiger and slam the tiger on the ground and rais over the tiger and smash his THICK arms against the tigers skull and 650 is like a 5 pound dumb Bell and my final winning point is that gorillas are very intelligent animals. a gorilla would take a large rock and smash it right over the tigers head. SILVER BACK GORILLA WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!! nice try tiger lovers 

spidersilva i read your first sentence and laughed. what do you mean gorillas aren't used to fighting anything like a tiger gorillas will fight a leopard on a regular basis to protect their families. i know that a tiger is way bigger than a leopard but of the same family. I laugh at you do your homework kid.

@silverbackinmybloos I don't think a gorilla would smash it with a rock and don't compare a leopard to a tiger, but agree with most everything else you've said

They both could win in different situations

I think it would be 50/50 every time. If the Gorilla catches the tiger on the initial pounce Gorilla wins, if the Tiger gets the drop on the Gorilla and gets a good bite on the neck the tiger wins. I think if you had 100 different Gorillas vs 100 different Tigers it would be 50/50.

intelligence is something that makes the difference. humans are not as strong as any of these, and they rule the planet. Gorillas are well more intelligent than tigers; they are well equipped with strength and intelligence.the other big difference is the "catching and holding" ability in gorillas. if talking about an adult well grown silverback vs a siberian counterpart, there's no chance for the cat to win in a "face to face" fight. if you talk about a "surprise" attack from the tiger, it can be debate. has anyone of you ever seen a silverback from close? and also a siberian tiger? IF yes, then you would know that, a silverback is a monster...never underestimate it.