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This is a classic. Bull vs Bear has been the most requested fight since this blog began. I guess it makes sense with the state of the stock market and all. Here we go..

The bovine bull is an extremely aggressive animal. If provoked it will fight until death. El Toro Bravo, as it is known in Spanish Bull Fighting, can weigh close to a ton and can reach a top speed of 40 mph. It is supremely strong, with tight muscle all over its body. The bull will attack relentlessly and can protect its body well.

The Grizzly Bear is one of the top competitors so far in Wild Animal Fight Club. Undoubtedly one of the most revered predators on Earth, the bear attacks and kills large animals such as Elk. This fight will be a good test of its strength and fighting ability.

This fight gets of to a fast start as the bull will immediately go into defense mode when encountered with the grizzly bear. Each animal would charge directly at each other, with the bull getting the best of the head on collision. With the bear down, the bull starts to continually "buck" into it. The grizzly is able to get up and try to mount another attack but it is tired and wounded from being pounded on by the bull.

In closer to the bull, the bear raises up and attempts to give the cow a crushing blow to the head. However, as the bear stands tall it is left vulnerable to the quick charging bull who crashes into the bear's chest stabbing it with its horns.

Bull Wins!

Comments

So, this 11 year old kid killed 6 bulls in a single fight, are you are telling me that a Grizzley bear couldn't take on one of these cows? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7849532.stm 
 
 
 
Cmon, I don't buy it. Grizzley bear beats the bull 11 times out of 10.
Posted @ Monday, January 26, 2009 2:56 PM by Clemenza
The Bull would win. Except right now its getting wrapped up in Obana's "Change" campaign and we are SOL. 
 
 
 
We love bull markets!
Posted @ Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:56 PM by elpresidente
It looks like bull is making a come back. Looks like some fools commented on the poll and not the blog. Probably voted for bear too
Posted @ Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:19 PM by The Dude
The grizzly could of smacked the bull down with it`s paw and jumped on it then when the bull was on the ground the grizzly could have bit the bulls neck and killed it 
 
Posted @ Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:21 PM by anand
The grizzly could have smacked the bull with it`s paws then the grizzly could have jumped on the bull.With the bull on the ground the grizzly bear could have bit the bulls neck and killed the bull.Grizzly bears are bigger and way more Lbs.
Posted @ Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:33 PM by anand
Bears r like the 3rd strongest creatures in fightin they would own bulls,murder hippo`s,kill the big cats and would easily kill moose n elk.They would also kill all the dogs in the dog family.Go bears 
 
Posted @ Monday, February 02, 2009 3:54 PM by bearsrking
You fucks are all sick. I hope some of these animals chew your balls off.
Posted @ Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM by YourEnemy
One sided, again. Bears kill moose, caribou, elk, I'm sure a Bull would probably get clubbed to death easily. The bull does have those horns that the bears natural prey does not, only antlers. If the bear rears up to look intimidating and the bull charges at the stomach, it might be over for the bear
Posted @ Monday, March 16, 2009 10:04 AM by Dude
whats wrong with you people? dont you read? type in grizzly vs bull on the old internet, find the stuff about the spanish bull/bear fights back when california was spanish 1830's, and you will then understand how supreme the grizzly is. it usually took one swat to the head from a grizzly to kill any bull. not to mention an bear is way more agile than a bull. what are you all a bunch of kids or something?
Posted @ Thursday, March 26, 2009 3:06 PM by peter
Since the type of bear chosen for this duel is a grizzly - with the Kodiak and Siberian coast varieties considered the largest of the species - the outcome would be heavily tilted in the bull's favor. Mature bovine bulls generally weigh 1500-2000lbs, considerably more than the Kodiak, which tips the scales anywhere from 650-1100lbs with 750-800 a conservative average. While the bull's strength, speed and deadly accuracy with its horns is not in question, the bear's versatility, neck muscles, and powerful swipes (used to deliver blows to the head and back of ungulate animals, such as the elk) give it a incomparable advantage over its enemy. Polar bears, which are only slightly larger than brown bears, can drag a 4000lb Walrus across an ice shelf after killing it (no mean feat, given the walrus's well-known ability to kill polars underwater). Against an animal this well-suited for melee fighting, a bovine has a genuinely low chance of success. A Siberian Tiger, on the other hand, is equally well suited for fighting, and many routinely fight and kill adult brown bears in the Amur region their populations occupy.
Posted @ Friday, April 10, 2009 5:17 PM by Dub
To correct the first line in the previous post: I meant to write the outcome would be tilted in the bear's favor, not the bull's. Obviously.
Posted @ Friday, April 10, 2009 5:20 PM by Dub
The bear would win because the bear is a carnivor with huge teeth and claws to kill other beast and eat it.The bulls defense is the horns but bulls are not known to kill other animals and dont have to kill other animals for food.Bears have experience to kill larger animals and love the taste of blood while the bull is a grass eater and doess not have the experience to kill other animals.Bear hungry or not has the tools and strength to kill the bull.Bears are known killers and bulls are not.
Posted @ Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:26 PM by Michael Martinez
Put into consideration their behaviors.. i'm definite that a Spanish Bull is most likely to charge first considering that an angered Spanish Bull doesn't ever back down, therefore taking the Bear offguard (surely a bear would be somewhat taken offguard by the defiance of the bull. not many animals dare to stand up or charge a bear) giving it a straight advantage considering its 1 ton body mass and impaling power. But let's consider a head-on battle. A bear rarely gets on it's hind legs until it reaches close proximities, and even so, it's rarely used in combat, its more or less to scare its opponents or show supremacy(if the bear manages to get to close proximities, and on its hind legs alive, it could without doubt kill the bull). BUT the bull would be charging so quickly (40mph) that the bear wouldn't have time to get up, since it's likely to charge at its 'prey' too (watch bears hunting, they obviously don't wait on their 'prey' even if they're coming at them, nor do they charge on hind legs :S)... at a head-on collision, the bull with the weight advantage would clearly knock the bear down if not impale it. From then on, the bull is known to continuously buck its target out of control, and would likely do so. It has INCREDIBLY powerful neck muscles, definitely enough to toss a bear around and severely impale it. I'd say the only way a bear could win is actually taking the bull by surprise.. if they've noticed each other, chances are it's a head on collision. If the bear manages to slam its paw at any time of the early phases of the battle though, it's definitely on the bear's side.
Posted @ Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:08 PM by shlub
cape buffalo VS kodiak bear...expert's input 
 
 
 
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Interspecies-Conflict-3754/2008/3/Kodiak-versus-Cape-buffalo-1.htm
Posted @ Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:13 PM by shlub
Bear would grab the bulls tail and sling the bull around, around, and around until both are so dizzy they each get sick and pass-out. After waking, they just run away from each other. DRAW!!!
Posted @ Friday, May 08, 2009 3:02 PM by laughing boy
You have to be fucking retarded to think that a bull will beat a bear.
Posted @ Saturday, May 09, 2009 12:45 PM by Stephen
Bears hunt animals for food and bulls dont.
Posted @ Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:24 PM by michael martinez
Disagree again - the bull has no legitimate chance. Assuming there was no surprise attack, the bull doesn't have enough tools to finish the fight. 
 
A bear has so many options - between his claw (he's got a massive reach advantage) and his bite. This is a landslide.
Posted @ Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:19 AM by Scott
Correct me if i'm wrong..But don't grizzly bears prey on animals similar to bulls?
Posted @ Friday, May 15, 2009 8:35 PM by Kenny
I read an account of a bull that fought a bull and a bear on the same day and killed both of them. It chased the bear around the ring, gored it, bucked it repeatedly into the ground, the bear was trying to escape. They stopped the fight and the bear died later that night of internal injuries. It all depends on the individual animal and who gets the first blow. I know that bears can take down moose and elk, but they prefer to go after a calf or a wounded animal. They don't take on a healthy bull moose in it's prime unless circumstances would give them a tactical advantage. What size grizzly are we talking about? While they can get up to 1,000 pounds, the average grizzly is probably 600 to 800. I think it's a tough call but if we're talking about a full grown, mature bull versus your average full-grown male grizzly, then I would have to go with the bull. I don't think grizzly's are used to risking life and limb for a meal. They go for the young calf, or the weak and sickly animals.
Posted @ Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:10 AM by Kirk
kirk, that story you just gave us was probably a full grown adult bull against a real young terrified bear, we're not talking about that. This is a fight against a full grown pissed off bull against a full grown pissed off grizzly bear, I for one think the bear would own the bull, because bears are one of the most vicious animals on the planet, if the bear is not scared, he will hurt that bull with a vengeance and later on he would kill and eat him. No animal that I know of is willing to risk their life or lose a limb, it's common sense!
Posted @ Saturday, May 23, 2009 2:36 PM by Kenny
Once again I say you should check up on your facts. 
 
Sure a large bovine is trouble for most carnivores in head-on engagements - not for bears, though. 
 
A large bull could (and have in videos I've seen) defeat a lion, and probably even a tiger head-on. 
 
 
 
I have, however also seen videos of what happens when a large moose charges a bear; the bear raises to its back legs, moves backwards for a bit and receives the charge while grabbing hold of the opponent and then quickly wearing it out.
Posted @ Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:47 AM by Wildlife lover
It happened that way in real life, so no complaining 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtIoN2xLqk
Posted @ Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:26 PM by K
A grizzly bear can break the back or neck of an adult bull. "fact"
Posted @ Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:37 AM by kevin
I don't think most people here know what they are talking about. A Spanish bull is one hell of a beast to kill. His skin is like silky and at the same time not easy at all to grasp. The Spanish Bull is a train that knows who to kill. They are bull who kill and they don.t back down. They have enough strength to lift up a car with their horns. You guys think that the Spanish Bull would just see the Bear and start running. lol. The bull would charge the Bear into a head and head collition. Even if the bear hit the bull with his formidable claws, at 45 mph the bulls mass power would hit the bear dead on with two horns which could harm the Bears leg or Stomach. If it was any other bull, I would agree with all of you. But Spanish bulls are bulls which kill. And when they charge, they put their heads down and lift them up with extraordinary power. The Bull would win, I have to agree with this one.
Posted @ Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:44 AM by mark
The Bear, King of Carnovores would win!! I've seen these majestic guys in the wild, and its awe-inspiring to witness the power of these maulers!
Posted @ Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:12 PM by Attila
I had to respond on this site as historical events allready has proven the Grizzly quite dominant. 
 
 
 
For more than 100 years ago, the californians did arrange pit fights between many different animals. 
 
The two most fights that people felt most interesting was Grizzly vs Spanish Bulls and Grizzly vs African Lion. 
 
The Grizzly won against both. The Lions never had much chance. 
 
 
 
From the book (also see link): 
 
page 51: (Bell 1930:106) .... "When a few years ago, a Los Angeles County grizzly was sent to Monterrey, Mexico, to be pitted against the man- killing African Lion "Parnell" the great Californian handled the African king as a cat would a rat. He killed him so quickly that the big audience hardly knew how it was done".  
 
 
 
Link: http://books.google.no/books?id=1QVZFQu01KcC&pg=RA3-PA53&lpg=RA3-PA53&dq=meyer+california+grizzly&source=bl&ots=N4sl0ryCsa&sig=7KFnd9PruxnlhFbddIUqIy2FDvM&hl=no&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PRA3-PA56,M1  
 
 
 
They also fought spanish bulls. The grizzlies used to be chained on one foot and had to wait for the bull that came charging. Sometimes the Bear even had to fight two bulls at the same time, and still he won. There are youtube hoaxes about this, about an african Lion, a Grizzly and a Bull. Thats a hoax. This one is part of american documented history and they have other sources as newpapers from that time that also wrote the same stories about how easily the Grizzly won against male Lions. The betting became poor. They even broke bulls` shoulders and back with their powerful paws.  
 
Posted @ Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:39 PM by John, Wildlife photographer
Large bears are capable of killing animals like bulls. The bear really would have less to fear from the bull's horns and more to fear from its kicks.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:44 PM by Bearowns
Yea so a bear is big and is a carnivore but did you see the size of those horns the bull has!! one smack in the neck with those horns that grizzly is down!
Posted @ Monday, August 10, 2009 2:37 PM by Savannah
it evan said the bull wins
Posted @ Monday, August 10, 2009 2:39 PM by ghf
It depends on how big both of these badasses are!! 
 
 
 
I've seen some bullfights in Mexico buddy, WHEEW!! They are killing machines!! 
 
 
 
Kodiak Bears are badass animals too! 
 
 
 
This one is hard for me to answer, if it's a one on one fight, and they're both about the same size, I would say that the bull would probably win. Those horns can be pretty big too!! 
 
 
 
The bear's kind of helpless if he's cornered, but if they're in an open field, the bear might end up killing the bull. 
 
 
 
I'd place a fair amount of money on the bear, if they're gonna fight in the wild, but if not, I'm placing a large amount of $$ on the bull!!
Posted @ Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:20 AM by Frankie
no way dude there is not much a brown bear cant kill they are killers and thats what they do bulls are strong as hell but so are bears i seen a bear lift a damn dumpster and they have big ass claws and sharp teeth and know how to use them to kill so no way bear hands down makes a meal out of the bull
Posted @ Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:31 PM by mike misson
im going the grizly there relitive the polar bear can kill a one tonne beluga whale with one hit a grizly could almost b as strong..however one decent charge with them horns and its over the bear will b on the ground and the bull will keep goring it and try to stamp it to death a good fight not a complete white wash like most ive seen on this site
Posted @ Monday, August 24, 2009 5:31 AM by billy bob joe
"Grizzly hands down over any land animal" 
 
I think you forgot a few giant herbivores there......
Posted @ Thursday, September 03, 2009 5:01 PM by asdf
Bull would definatly win. Its faster, stronger, more aggresive, 
 
and smarter than the bear
Posted @ Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:41 PM by Chris
I agree with some of the guyz here. We cannot underestimate the bull just because it doesnt kill/hunt for food. That doesnt make him less powerful. The bear is powerful too and is definitely used to killing/hunting other large prey. But when an enraged or a pissed off bull comes charging at the bear with full force, the bear doesnt stand a chance. Very few animals can survive that blow..like mayb the rhino or a hippo or an elephant. Bulls are fearless and dont think twice before charging. They are active and not sluggish like the bear. A bull is more muscle and very less fat. whereas the bear is a good load of fat and muscles. A bull can deliver a deadly blow even before the bear gets to know.
Posted @ Sunday, September 13, 2009 2:43 PM by Bully
Well this is a 50/50 chance. Bears do have the advantage of claws, teeth and bulk. They have very powerful bite and can leave damaging blows with their claws. But they arent cougars. They cant leap onto its back easily, making an easy win. Now bulls have their fair share of weapons as well. Their horns are VERY powerful. They are tremendously fast as well. Bulls' neck are made entirely of muscle, therefore a charge could probably break many bones in the bear, leaving it weak. And bulls dont attack then leave. If a bull got the bear on the ground, it would without a doubt, keep attacking it and goring it until it died. Bulls arent easily intimidated (if at all) and would probably charge first. So it could go either way.
Posted @ Monday, September 14, 2009 5:41 PM by Dark_Wolfxoxo
This is one crazy sight LOL... However, as some have mentioned; there is historical evidence of the big Grizzly killing the Bull in match fights. 
 
 
 
Remember, the Grizzlies in the upper U.S. 48 states have been hunted close to extinction. However, I have observed Coastal Browns & Grizzlies, on mainland Alaska and Kodiak Bears on Kodiak Island. These three subspecies of Brown Bear will beat the Bull all most all the time.  
 
 
 
Go to Interspecies Conflict for more info!
Posted @ Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:19 PM by Ted
Can a brown bear beat a siverback 
 
Gorilla? Truth.
Posted @ Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:21 PM by Kasmaire
Kasmaire, What subspecies of Brown bear are we talking about? In General; Yes! "The Alaskan Coastal Brown Bear" "The Kodiak Brown Bear" and the "Grizzly" will unfortunatley destroy the awesome Gorilla. However, the big silverback may defeat other, smaller, Brown Bear subspecies.
Posted @ Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:30 PM by Ted
forget the damn bear,how in the hell do we let this kind of bullfighting against bull fighters on INNOCENT HORSES GO ON?????? This is a big bunch of bullshit and I say we try and ban it!It's the horses that get murdered when it should be the fighter!!!!!!
Posted @ Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:04 PM by usa
Anyone who thinks a bull could beat an Alaskan Brown Bear is a retard. These bears can weigh over 1600 lbs and kill any land animal minus an adult Elephant. And, by the way, retards who can't even spell or punctuate properly, a Brown Bear would probably not just stand in the way of a charging horned animal.
Posted @ Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:36 PM by JAKE
where is the video fight of the Bear against the Bull??? It's bulls against bulls :/
Posted @ Friday, October 30, 2009 5:23 AM by george
If a bull attacks a bear from behind and in his head he has some chances but face to face bull will die.
Posted @ Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:24 AM by arpan sarma
Enough of this. Here are the facts. We are pitting 2 full grown adult animals against eachother, and both are pissed off and willing to fight. The only real advantage that the bull has is its weight. The horns are not always an advantage, because unless the bear is gored in a vital organ, it can still take quite alot of punishment. I think both animals are atleast equally ferocious. The bull has allot of muscle in the neck, but a grizzly has even more (check if u dont believe me) + its got usable arms to transfer that power to. Not to mention that on every end of these arms are fearsome daggers that cut trough bone and flesh like butter. And lets not forget those jaws either. Anyway im sure the bull would go in for a head charge. The bear would probably back down a bit to evade a direct hit. Lets not forget that grizzlys can run even faster than any bull, and for their size they are allot more agile then a bull aswell. It would try and get to the side of the bull, using its powerfull arms to throw the bull off balance. Once the bull loses its momentum, it would get torn appart like a ragg-doll... But dont take my word for it.Early californians pitted spanish bulls against californian grizzlys all the time. Its verry well documented. The bears would alsmost always win, even when chained to the arena or even to the bull itself. Only chance a bull had was with a direct hit to a vital organ from the first charge. And even then, the bear was usually still able to maul the bull in horrible ways. READ BOOKS PEOPLE. Anyway, nowadays grizzlys arent as big as the ones that roamed the western US back then, but still, i think that it wouldnt be much of a contest. If the bear wants something really DEAD, its gonna kill it. Only predator that comes close, is a really big and pissed of siberian tiger on cocaine.
Posted @ Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:50 PM by Niels
If you want to see big Grizzlies go to Alaska. The Coastal Browns Males 700-1100 Lbs. are considered Grizzlies by many.  
 
 
 
Kodiak Bears are even bigger and have all the characteristics of a Grizzly. 
 
 
 
Grizzlies in the Lower 48 states would have trouble since they average around 400-500Lbs. Due to hunting the big Boars are on someone's wall. 
 
 
 
And different books gice you different stories. Grizzly Almanac, The Great Bear Almanac, California Grizzly etc....
Posted @ Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:00 PM by Ted
Tiger and lions could kill a bull if hunting it. However, fights are different. This is not the element of surprise. Bulls gore lions and tigers to death. Grizzlies are the only animal known to break the neck of bulls. They did not shatter the bulls' skulls, but rather, used both paws to drive the horns into the ground which often snapped the neck of the bulls. Grizzlies have larger bone density and are at least twice as strong in the front quarters than lions and tigers.
Posted @ Wednesday, November 18, 2009 1:15 PM by Dennis
I'm going with the mighty grizzly on this one. I totally understand the argument for the bull, but the bull only has one shot at the bear and he has no margin for error. If he misses, game over. The bear is going to butcher that bull into enough steaks, chops, and loins to feed everyone at Peter Luger's. Da Bears!
Posted @ Monday, November 23, 2009 8:47 PM by Jeremy
A hippo or a rhino would kill a grizzly, tiger, or lion in about half a second. Yeah, I'll take a grizzly over a lion or tiger anyday of the week, but next against these other two animals.
Posted @ Friday, November 27, 2009 8:04 PM by Del
It doesnt add up. Large voracious carnavore(griz) vs all you can eat buffet(Bull)I say bear wins and dosent leave hungry!
Posted @ Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:35 AM by Go Blue
Personnally I favor the Bull in this fight. It is a very aggresive, defensive, strong, and fast animal. While the bear is a cornivore, it dosen't have the capabillity of the bull. I know this has nothing to do with this but if you think a Black Rhino and Hippo would be a good fight please sudjest it so he will make it. And tell your opinion on this fight
Posted @ Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:32 PM by Christian
Get the bear in an arena and see if you can put colorful spears in its back. HA! I laugh at suggestion. Its not happening! Too much Bear and not enough Bull! 
 
 
 
OLE~
Posted @ Monday, December 14, 2009 6:46 PM by Go Blue
If we are talking grizzly bear, then the bear is a sure winner. Before so-called civilized people went out west and destroyed the natural world there, there were huge herds of bison. Grizzly bears regularly hunted and killed bison. If a grizzly can kill a bison, he can kill a domesticated bull easily.
Posted @ Thursday, December 17, 2009 7:17 AM by Toby Ross
Grizzly bears are built for digging in hard frozen ground. This is why they have a hump of solid muscle on their shoulders. Their shoulders, arms, and claws are made for digging in concrete-hard frozen ground. They also regularly rip open stumps, and turn over logs and boulders in search of food. 
 
 
 
To read about grizzly bears killing bulls and lions, go to:  
 
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict13.html
Posted @ Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:33 AM by Toby Ross
Read about a grizzly that regularly killed bulls and lions. 
 
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict13.html
Posted @ Sunday, January 03, 2010 8:19 PM by Toby Ross
I'd say 50/50. After the bull beats the bear in the charge, the bull starts torturing the bear. However, if the bear somehow manages to escape, it bites the bull's neck and it's all over. However, if the bear can't escape, then it can't win. 
 
Good thing the bear isn't a Kodiak. Otherwise, there will be no contest at all.
Posted @ Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:21 PM by TriceratopsH
IF the bear is Ursus arctos, any member of the brown bear family, the bear is sure to win. Ursus arctos is the undisputed apex land carnivore of planet earth. His only rival is the polar bear, which is actually an aquatic carnivore. When not in the water, the polar bear is usually on ice, which is frozen water. Bulls, buffalo, and bison are easy kills for a brown bear.
Posted @ Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:24 PM by Toby Ross
the grizzly is not quite as powerfull predetor compared to a tiger, lion or polar bear. However in this fight the bear probably wins, even though its smaller, weaker and slower it has deadly jaws and powerfull swipes which could ruin the bull. in the 1830' they used to do this fight and the grizzly won. so yeah.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:00 PM by mr animalia
Yes, toby ross i agree 100%!  
 
A brown bear takes bison, moose, elk, musk ox and cattle down when ever it feels like it. They are the undisputed largest and strongest land carnivore of today. So i would say 10 times out of 10.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:03 PM by lion man
the bull is beyong word, amazingly strong for its size. not to mention fast and graceful. 
 
 
 
(i h8 to see them killed by fighters hiding behind swords and blankets) 
 
 
 
 
 
regardless, the bear wins, but the bull is cooler =] 
 
Posted @ Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:18 PM by ...
bull no trouble, we are talking about a spanish fighting bull here 
not a cow the bull is twice as strong 
and the horns over teeth and claws 
it would be like a truck with horns 
running into the bull, depend on the certain bear or bull that are matched Spanish Fighting bulls jumb 
into stands get stapped with swords 
and know how to use there horns it takes how may lions to take a buffalo at lease a pride with a male two male lions would not even try 
Posted @ Monday, January 25, 2010 4:58 AM by Brent
i think the bull would charge and runn into the bear the bear would fall it would get hurt but nothing bad then it would get up smack it wit its claws then the bull will fall or be dazed so the bear will bite its neck
Posted @ Monday, January 25, 2010 1:39 PM by assy nigga
Any one who has been around a bull would understand how fast and how heavy the can get, I agree. Just one kick from a bull is very deadly, never mind their 3 plus foot horns and it's massive skull.
Posted @ Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:11 PM by
The grizzly would have no trouble killing a domesticated bull. But, yes, bulls can be very powerful animals. Many herbevores are physically stronger than carnivores. They simply lack the fighting skills and the instinct to kill.  
 
Bears are omnivorous. The grizzly eats more vegetation than meat. He has a powerful bull-like frame of very heavy dense bones packed with thick muscles. But, along with this bull-like build, the grizzly has all of the fighting and killing instincts of a true predator. This is why a grizzly can defeat a lion or a tiger in a face-off. If you look at a big cat walking straight towards you, you will see no bulk. They are flat at the sides for slinking through brush. But, the grizzly is a brute with broad ribs and bulk. The big cats are built for speed, agility, and leaping ability. Bears, like bulls, are brutes. 
 
Posted @ Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:17 AM by Toby Ross
hmm toby ross, the grizzly can beat a lion or tiger? where did you get that from? of all the bears there is only one true predator and that is the polar bear. it's the only bear that desrves respect. And compared to all brown bears it atleast eats meat, and is not that fat and more muscular! but again not nearly as muscular as a tiger or lion. The grizzly is an average predator, they get scared away and sometimes killed by cougars. they have no furiosity. The polar bear is a true top predator, but a siberian tiger is the ultimate predator.
Posted @ Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:19 PM by mr animalia
I don't know who would win between any of these animals and I don't really care. 
I just had to say to Mr.Animalia that your quote about grizzlies: "they have no furiosity". 
That made my friggin day buddy! ha ha. 
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:33 PM by You're wrong I'm Right
@Lionman 
 
The Polar Bear is the undisputed largest land carnivore today. Not the grizzly. 
 
Just sayin.. 
It's a pretty well known fact, and not hard to find. 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bears
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:41 PM by Poopy butt
Although Kodiak browns have been known to range in the same size as the Polar. 
 
but not any old brown bear, 
only Kodiaks
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:46 PM by Poopy butt
I call shananigans and bias on this fight. 
A bear just would not fight an opponent like a bull in that manner. 
 
It would not stand on it's rear legs and allow the bull to charge it, leaving its underside exposed.. 
 
It would fight it face to face, down low to the ground, and would not let the bull get in close by instinctively raking the crap out of it's face and head any time it got near. 
 
It could also maneuver out of the way very quickly as human bullfighters do. 
 
Grizzlies are not slow or dumb by any means when they are fighting prey animals. 
 
And they only fight other bears in this standing up manner. 
They know a bull isn't going to stand up on its back legs, so why would they want to fight it that way? 
 
they are lightning quick, extremely powerful and built to kill prey just like bulls in the wild. 
Nature has evolved them into killing machines, equipped to take down animals like elk, moose, and other large and larger herbivores than the bull. 
 
Fighting and killing large animals such as the bull is just what the Grizzly bear is built to do. 
They're one of the sturdiest hardiest hardest to kill animals in the whole world... 
 
c'mon, 
that bull would be a t-bone in 5 mins flat..
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:57 PM by Nope
The Bull is pure power. they are also extremely agile for a bovine their size. verily no mass fat. and their black skin is silky, and hard to grab. If the bull charges... Is like a speeding train going 40 miles per hour, with a neck of pure bone and muscle. I saw these bulls in Spain in a training camp in Toledo, they trainers trained some of these bulls by "painting red thick wooden(I mean like 6 inches of pure pine wood) boards to measure the strength of the bulls charge! Some bulls thrashed the boards, like paper and sometimes the bulls horns got stuck inside the board, lol. I thought that to be funny. like a reader said, "Bulls can jump" and if the bull jumps at a grizzly bear at 40 MPH with those horns, you could bet your ass that bear will be sending gift cards to all its fans in this forum with a picture of "a Bull" from the hospital ER. I think that people here have the misconception that all bulls are the same, well folks I was raised in a farm in texas, and seen a Spanish killer bull charging is something spectacular.
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 6:19 PM by John
In Old California, when the Spanish owned California, they had regular bull vs bear fights. A spectator sport. The grizzly always won these fights. Not only killing bulls, but also wild boars and lions.
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 6:43 PM by Toby Ross
Poopy Butt. Who said that the grizzly is BIGGER than a polar bear?
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 6:53 PM by Toby Ross
Does ANYONE know whose site this is? Any moderators? I would love to see some changes here. Such as: 
 
grizzly vs lion. 
 
gorilla vs jaguar. 
 
gorilla vs American black bear. 
 
grizzly vs African black buffalo. 
 
great white shark vs saltwater crocodile. 
 
tiger vs polar bear.  
 
orangutan vs chimpanzee. 
 
wolf vs mandrill. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Monday, February 08, 2010 6:50 AM by Toby Ross
It depends on demand Toby Ross,The more the demands the higher the chance it will be put as new topic.  
 
And to answer this question: 
If a Grizzly bear can kills a Bison why can't it kills a bull?
Posted @ Monday, February 08, 2010 1:16 PM by Miss Truth
I was just reading from several sources, about tigers attacking gaur. The gaur, for those unlearned, is the biggest and strongest bovine. More often as not, the bull gaur kills the tiger. Seldom does a tiger kill a full grown bull gaur. Usually, it is the gaur who kills the big cat.  
 
For a grizzly, the gaur is just another cow. No bovine could take on a big healthy boar grizzly.  
 
 
 
Posted @ Monday, February 08, 2010 1:20 PM by Toby Ross
I can name only three terestrial animals that a large grizzly cannot kill. #1-elephant #2-rhinoceras #3-hippopotomus.  
 
Otherwise, herebivore or predator, the grizzly can kill it. 
 
*Now, I am waitting for someone to come up with something about germs or ants. So, I will clarfy... mammals only.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 7:20 AM by Toby Ross
All the animals that will kill a grizzly bear, toby ross. 
 
 
 
Elephant 
 
Rhinoceros 
 
Hippo 
 
Giraffe 
 
Gaur 
 
Water Buffalo 
 
Cape Buffalo 
 
Lion 
 
Tiger 
 
Polar Bear 
 
Kodiak Bear 
 
Kamchatka Bear 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:06 PM by Zackerdy
Elephant, rhino, hippo...yes. Giraffe maybe in some fights, if the grizzly doesn't break his long leg. Gaur, Cape buffalo, water buffalo...never. Grizzlys kill bison all the time. Lion or tiger is an easy kill for a grizzly. Kodiak or Kamchatka bears are of the same species as grizzly...duh! Polar bears run for the hills when they see a grizzly.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:56 PM by Toby
Toby, a grizzly isn't agile enough to get to the giraffes legs in before it got kicked and mauled 
 
A gaur, water buffalo or Cape buffalo will trample a grizzly, and there isn't one account of a grizzly ever killing an adult Bison, and I highly doubt it. 
 
Lion and tiger, we can discuss that on the grizzly - tiger topic. and a polar bear is twice the size of a grizzly, so if it was cornered, the grizzly would stand 0 chance 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:48 PM by Zackerdy
The grizzly has been known to kill full grown bison, carribou, elk, and moose. Unlike the tiger vs gaur or lion vs cape buffalo, the grizzly has never been known to lose.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 14, 2010 7:10 PM by Toby
Tobvy Ross, a Grizzly bear will never fight an adult bison, and I will continue this untill you prove your point 
 
A 1,700 kilo gaur would be to much of a foe for any bear
Posted @ Wednesday, July 14, 2010 7:27 PM by zackerdy
In areas were Brown Bears and Asian Gaur overlap, no bear has ever deared to fight this monster. That is because the bears lack on fighting ability and it's prefered killing technique is useless there. The grizzly kills his prey by swatting it down. This ain't gonna work on the gaur because it's neck muscles and skull are far stronger than that from a Moose, Elk or Caribou 
 
The top three bovines: Gaur, Water Buffalo , and African Buffalo will be too much of a foe for the poorly equiped Grizzly
Posted @ Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:43 PM by Zackerdy or Zack
Actually, Zackery...no grizzly has ever been known to lose a fight with anything. Remember that humanity did not always rule the world. While naked humans were eating nuts and berries and hunting lizards and mice, grizzly were killing bison and moose. In Asia, brown bears were likely killing gaur. Even today, not every predator/prey fight is witnessed. If a grizzly chooses to kill a gaur, he will have bovine for dinner.  
 
IF you measure a grizzly at body length. Then compare him with a tiger of the same body length. You will see that the grizzly is by far the more massive powerful carnivore.
Posted @ Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:59 PM by Toby
Hard to pick a winner. 
 
 
 
The most interesting argument posted here are the reference to fights in California, btw bulls and grizzly bears. 
 
 
 
However, you should know that the same events were also being held in Spain two centuries ago.  
 
 
 
In those fights the bulls always beat lions, tigers, brown bears and elephants (sometimes several at a time). 
 
 
 
I guess it would be a quite spectacular fight to watch! 
 
 
 
/A
Posted @ Friday, July 16, 2010 5:57 AM by Abba
Toby ross, there is no way a grizzly bear will ever hurt a gaur. And a grizzly bear loses more fights with Bison than winning them. A grizzly bear doesn't have additional fast twitch muscle fibres, meaning they cannot leap on the gaur and bite it's neck. Therefor it will just be goored to death. a paw swipe from a grizzly bear will make the gaur only angrier and more fierce. And no bear has ever killed a Healthy Boar Bison, you still have no evidence.  
 
And in Asia, when a Brown Bear sees a Gaur, he will run for his sorry life.
Posted @ Friday, July 16, 2010 12:42 PM by zack
Zack...I did my research years ago when there were no computers. Do your own research. IF you are really interested in the truth, and not simply wanting to win an argument, regardless of the truth. 
 
The were countless reports by American pioneers and American Indians about the grizzly bears of the American West.  
 
YES...those grizzlys regularly killed bison. Along with the wolves, the grizzly kept the bison population down to a natural number of millions.  
 
And yes, the grizzly kills large prey and other predators with one swipe of an incredibly powerful arm and shoulders.  
 
A grizzly could easily kill a gaur. He doesn't have to cling onto it's back to try to strangle the bull. The grizzly has the raw power to break a gaurs neck or crush it's skull.
Posted @ Friday, July 16, 2010 5:15 PM by Toby
Toby, again; Prove your research. Were is the record of a Grizzly killing an adult boar bison? And even if you have the record, you should remember that a gaur is larger than a bison 
 
Bison: 650-1,000 kg 
 
Gaur: 800-1,400 kg 
 
And gaur do overlap area with Brown bear, no single Bear has ever attacked this muscle monster, let go killing it. And again you are overestimating the strenght of a bear, A paw swipe from a A Grizzly wil do no damage to the Armour-plated skull of a gaur.
Posted @ Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:21 AM by zack
Toby is living in a fantasy world: He believes a 700 lbs grizzly is strong enough to crush the skull of a 3000 lbs that has massive horns and an armour plated skull protecting it's head. 
 
He also believes that a Brown bear has never lost a battle in the thousands of years it co-excisted with other massive mammals. He believes tha grizzly is some sort of 'SUPER BEAR' that is unbeatable.
Posted @ Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:29 AM by zack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SqqG_LUss0  
 
Toby, it takes this mother grizzly roughly five whole minutes to tackle a caribou, she isn't strong enough to crush the skull of the caribou either. she has to tackle it. Now you tell me that a Boar grizzly, twice the females size would take down an animal 5 times larger than a caribou. With a far stronger skull? 
 
Gaur vs grizzly = 11 out of 10 for the gaur, get some sense toby.
Posted @ Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:34 AM by zack
It doesn't matter if the bull is a Mexican fighting bull, a bison, a water buffalo, a Cape buffalo, or a gaur Zack. It's really all very simple. Grizzly vs bull. Grizzly kills bull. The fight is over. The grizzly wins.
Posted @ Saturday, July 17, 2010 4:58 AM by Toby
The Siberian tiger does not hunt and kill gaur. There are no snow-gaurs. It is the Bengal tigers that, on very rare occasions will attack a gaur. Also note that the tiger wins this fight about 50% of the time.  
 
There are no brown bears living in gaur country. If there were, the grizzly would win this fight more often than a tiger.
Posted @ Saturday, July 17, 2010 6:32 AM by Toby
Go to... 
 
thewebsiteforeverything.com/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=621 
 
The gaur wins in MOST tiger vs gaur fights. 
 
IF it were grizzly vs gaur, I am sure that the grizzly would win in more than 50% of the fights.
Posted @ Saturday, July 17, 2010 7:42 AM by Toby
Toby, again my question remains unanswered, how can a grizzly kill a gaur? Maybe if it didn't move. But again, the grizzly doesn't have the additional fast twitch muscle fibres to leap on the gaur's back. And the paw swipe of the grizzly bear wil do very little of no dmamge at all. 
 
Toby, you also have no evidence that a grizzly is 700 lb on average, or it is stronger tha a tiger lb for lb. YOU ARE A LOSER, some 8 year old fan boy that thinks the grizzly bear is indestroyable. 
 
these are the cattles who are immune to the grizzly in a fight: 
 
Gaur 
 
Water Buffalo 
 
Bull Cape Buffalo
Posted @ Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:01 AM by zack
Geeez! As I explained at grizzly vs gorilla... there is no possible way to give an accurate weight to the average grizzly. There are several grizzly populations. Each one secluded from the others by damn human habitats. Therefore these various populations are unable to converge and breed. 
 
But, by far ( by far zack ) the biggest populations of grizzlys are the coastal grizzlys and the Katmai grizzly, both of which rival even the Kodiaks as the biggest brown bears.  
 
To guess that the average grizzly is 650 pounds is likely close to accurate. You want so badly for your tiger to win, that you are seeking a dwarf grizzly. 
 
As for the gaur. He is indeed a formidable adversary, even for a grizzly. But I believe that, a grizzly 650 pounds or better, could kill the gaur. The bear can hit with a sledge-hammer like blow. He is also a grappler. Any beast that can dig into concrete hard frozen ground can do terrible damage to flesh and bones.
Posted @ Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:17 AM by Toby
No! Don't skip over this, if you are seeking the truth. 
 
en.allexperts.com/q/Interspecies-Conflict-3754/2008/2/bears-strength-weaponry.htm
Posted @ Saturday, July 17, 2010 9:15 PM by Toby
Toby, In every single one of your comment you are one only talking about the grizzly and how strong he is, while not saying a single word about the gaur. 
 
If you are telling me a Grizzly bear is physacily stronger than a Gaur. This has become foolish - Not only is the gaur 4 times the size of a grizzly bear. He has far more powerful build body, designed for battle, the grizzly has great shoulder strenght, but compare those muscles with a gaur. As strong as the bear is, the gaur is far stronger.  
 
I've seen a pissed of Wild Bull ramming a truck until it flipped, A gaur is far bigger and stronger then a Bull, can you imagine what one of those 3300 lb giant could do to an 800 lb bear? Bad things.
Posted @ Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:23 PM by zack
Gaur advantages over grizzly: 
 
Size - much larger than a grizzly 
 
Weight - 1,700 kg vs 500 kg 
 
Strength - Far more Powerful build 
 
Horns - A rock hard head with it 
 
Stanima - Bovines can pull heavy weights for hunderds of miles straight. 
 
Aggression - Buffalos and gaurs are absolutely fierce 
 
Structure - More Tight, Muscular and thick build 
 
 
 
Grizzly bear advatages: 
 
Jaws - they don't use them very often 
 
Paws - front limbs and claws can be used offensive 
 
 
 
Obvious Winner
Posted @ Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:26 PM by zack
Quote: No animal of equal size is as powerful ( the grizzly ). 
 
The gaur is like a prehistorc mega-beast. He is indeed a monster. Nearly 7 feet high at the top of his enormous shoulders. Bigger than moose or bison. 
 
But, the grizzly is the ultimate carnivore. He has experiance in dealing with big heavy powerful hoofed animals. As big and awesome as the gaur is, the grizzly could kill it.  
 
In the old West, grizzlys not only killed bison, they killed Texas longhorns. Like those, the gaur is a bovine.
Posted @ Sunday, July 18, 2010 6:12 AM by Toby
Quote: A grizzly can kill an animal the size of a bison with a single blow of it's foreleg and can drag animals four times their weight easily. ( end quote )  
 
The grizzly is bigger than a tiger. But, even a smaller than average grizzly, the size of a tiger, is stronger than a tiger.  
 
Against a gaur, the grizzly stands a better chance of winning.  
 
Posted @ Sunday, July 18, 2010 6:23 AM by Toby
toby, a Bison is not a gaur - For, beginners, lts compare their largest specimen in size: 
 
Bison: 2,500 lb 
 
Grizzly bear: 1,490 lb 
 
Gaur: 4,400 lb 
 
Size compared, the gaur is 75% larger than a bison, and 3 times the size of a grizzly bear! Now grizzly bears hunt Bison very rarely, why? 90% of their diet it vegitarion. 8% remaining goes to insects, rodents and mammals and maybe 2% of the time he will go after a caribou, elk, moose or Bison. Tiby acts like if bison makes up the biggest part of the bears diet. Not even close. And how can a bear regularly hunt on bison if these bovines are endagered. And jet again, is there a reliable record of a grizzly killing a Healthy Boar Bison? I didn't find one. 
 
The indian gaur has been known to fight bosn, this brutal monster can do anything it wants with a little grizzly.  
 
And no toby, bear ain't stronger than cats there own size. Both Damon and I agree.
Posted @ Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:30 PM by zack
*Rhino* not Bosn
Posted @ Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:31 PM by zack
Toby, the grizzly is the most powerful animal of it's size. 
 
Would an Grizzly Bear beat a Wolverine or Honey Badger his own size? I doubt it. 
 
And toby, the bison is nowhere near 2200 lb on average; they reach that size on maximum, the Water Buffalo is second largest - Accroding to the research I've done: 
 
Gaur: 2,400 lb - 1,085 kg 
 
Water Buffalo: 2,000 lb - 907 lb 
 
Amerian Bison - 1,700 lb - 770 kg 
 
Cape Buffalo - 1,600 lb - 726 kg 
 
And I am still waiting for the record of Grizzly Bears killing Boar Bison. Talk get's you nowhere. The grizzly bear, being 90% Herbivore will never take the risk of attacking such a formidable giant like the bison, only small females and young cubs are taken.  
 
Skull of Bison: http://markc1.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/bison_skull_lg.jpg 
 
Skull of Gaur: http://www.wildabouttheworld.com/gallery/data/505/WATW_Periyar_Skull_001.jpg 
 
Notice how much thicker the skull of a gaur is. this is because it's much larger horns give it greater protection and extra armour. No way a grizzly bear will ever hurt a gaur with its paw swipes
Posted @ Monday, July 19, 2010 2:05 AM by zack
The grizzly bear and the gaur face each other, size matters as the bear stands on his rear limbs, but can only reach slighly taller than a gaur, who is 7 feet at the shoulder alone. The grizzly bear swats the gaur in the face but only minor damage is made. 
 
Now he has made the Gaur angry, this is a huge mistake as the Gaur charges toward the bear. the grizzly bear takes his chance to grab the Gaur's head. But the Massive power of the Gaur sends the bear flying to the ground. The Grizzly is heavily wounded but not out, he gets up but this time the gaur charges at 45 MPH and crashes in the bears chest, crushing bones. The bear is out, as the Gaur uses his 3000 lb of body weight to trample the smaller bear. The Bovine has killed Toby's favorite carnivore. It was never realy a match. One simply overpowered the other with little effort.
Posted @ Monday, July 19, 2010 2:17 AM by zack
I give you the sourses of information. Another sourse is: 
 
nature.ca/notebooks/english/gaur.htm at this same site you can click onto bison, African buffalo, grizzly, etc. 
 
No matter how hard a skull is, the neck is breakable.
Posted @ Monday, July 19, 2010 5:41 AM by Toby
Yes, the neck of a gaur is breakable, maybe by a Cave Bear or a Rhino, but a Grizzly, really? 
 
Never Gonna happen, the gaur is just to strong and wins this fight every time. 
 
 
 
The grizzly bear and the gaur face each other, size matters as the bear stands on his rear limbs, but can only reach slighly taller than a gaur, who is 7 feet at the shoulder alone. The grizzly bear swats the gaur in the face but only minor damage is made.  
 
Now he has made the Gaur angry, this is a huge mistake as the Gaur charges toward the bear. the grizzly bear takes his chance to grab the Gaur's head. But the Massive power of the Gaur sends the bear flying to the ground. The Grizzly is heavily wounded but not out, he gets up but this time the gaur charges at 45 MPH and crashes in the bears chest, crushing bones. The bear is out, as the Gaur uses his 3000 lb of body weight to trample the smaller bear. The Bovine has killed Toby's favorite carnivore. It was never realy a match. One simply overpowered the other with little effort.
Posted @ Monday, July 19, 2010 8:40 AM by zack
Actually, I agree with some of this. If there is distance between the gaur and the grizzly, and the gaur charges, a bear cannot stop a train. The grizzly does not have the speed and agility to avoid the impact. The gaur would win. 
 
The American bison, which is indeed very close to the size and power of a gaur, is simply not as aggressive. But, if the fight begins at close quarters, the grizzly could kill the gaur as easily as it can kill a bison.  
 
Pound for pound, the grizzly is the most powerful animal of it's size. Ursus arctos is the dominant carnivore.
Posted @ Monday, July 19, 2010 9:18 AM by Toby
Zack, the average gaur is less than 7 feet at the shoulder. And, why would an 8 feet tall grizzly have a hard time reaching him?
Posted @ Monday, July 19, 2010 9:22 AM by Toby
Toby, again do you have evidence that a Grizzly Bear is Lb for Lb the strongest? if not, simply shut up. A Honey Badger the size of a Grizzly Bear will kill him in roughly 20 seconds. Any Mustlids will make short work of your Ursus Actros. The bear is one of the most over-rated by Toby himself. 
 
And the gaur is larger than a Bison by roughly 700 lb of muscle.  
 
Bison: avg. 1,700 max. 2,300 lb 
 
Gaur: avg. 2,400 lb max. 3,000 lb 
 
WaterBuffalo: avg. 2,000 lb max. 2,600 lb 
 
CapeBuffalo: avg. 1,640 lb max. 2,100 lb 
 
The fact that the Grizzly is simply not strong enough to crush the skull of a gaur, it is left chanceless against a train with horns. The gaur is more than 3 times the size of the bear, he can swing the grizzly around like a rackdoll
Posted @ Monday, July 19, 2010 12:07 PM by zack
http://www.semjaaza.com/images/gaur.jpg 
 
Note the Giant upper shoulder muscles of a Gaur connected to the neck, making his neck super strong. Immpossible to crush for any mammal One-Third his weight. 
 
Bison
Posted @ Monday, July 19, 2010 12:11 PM by zack
Here is what I dug up: 
 
According to wikipedia / bison is from 900 lbs to 2,200 lbs. 
 
www.defenders.org/wildlife_and_habitat/wildlife/bison.php 
 
bison = 900 to 2,000 lbs. 
 
Nat Geo says bison = 930 lbs to 2200 lbs.  
 
............................... 
 
www.wildzoofari.com/animals/gaur/ 
 
says the teh gaur = 2,000 lbs. 
 
www.encyclopedia.com/topic/gaur.aspx says gaur = 2,000 lbs. 
 
www.factsnfacts.com/living_beings-facts/mammals.facts/gaurs/  
 
gaur = 2200 to 3300 lbs  
 
www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Gaur says gaur = 1540 lbs to 2000 lbs 
 
MOST sites say that the gaur ranges from 2,000 pounds to 2,200 pounds. IF you dig and search, you will find these claims of gaurs weighing 3,300 pounds. IF they exsist, they are as rare as you claim the 1,400 pound grizzlys are. 
 
Therefore, it is quite obvious that there is very little difference in the size of a gaur and the size of a bison. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted @ Monday, July 19, 2010 8:45 PM by Toby
Yes, the gaur has those huge shoulder muscles attached to his neck which makes it a Hellova lot harder to break. ( arn't huge shoulders great! )... ( like on my grizzly )... Of course, you do realize that the bison has even bigger shoulders?  
 
Please let me know if you see any 600 pound weasels running around. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Monday, July 19, 2010 8:54 PM by Toby
Toby, most sites say a Gaur is between 2000 to 2400 giving it an average of about 2200 lb, roughly a ton. 
 
The Bison is between 930 to 2200 lb, he is on anaverage of maybe 1600 lb on max. 
 
And a Gaur has more shoulder muscles than a Bison: 
 
http://www.semjaaza.com/images/gaur.jpg 
 
http://photos.igougo.com/images/p122781-Custer_South_Dakota-Bison_bull_at_Custer_State_Park.jpg 
 
They're shoulder hump is very even, but the Gaur's size advantage gives it a stronger neck aswell. 
 
And still waiting for the evidence of a grizzly killing an adult Bison. WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE
Posted @ Monday, July 19, 2010 10:03 PM by zack
I've given you the evidence. You haven't been reading it.  
 
Do your own research. The bison roamed the American West 50 million strong. They were preyed upon by both wolves and grizzlys.
Posted @ Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:29 AM by Toby
According to the Smithsonian, which is likely to have more knowledge than Zack, I have here wild bovine listed, starting with the heaviest. 
 
gaur / bison / water buffalo / African buffalo / Yak. 
 
There is only a slight weight difference betwwen the average gaur and the average bison. Only in rare individuals do gaur reach far above the one ton mark.
Posted @ Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:25 AM by Toby
Toby, a Water Buffalo is larger than a Bison, go do yout research and don't just make your list the way you want it. 95% of all sites agree with me. Todays biology agrees with me too.  
 
And yes both Wolves and Bears sometimes kill these bovines, but Healthy boars? No. A wolf pack struggles with an Elk let go a Healthy Bison, and a Grizzly bear will only hunt about 10% of the time, which is usually animals smaller than itself, rarely atttacking giants. Youre evidence does not include info about the Bison, including size, health and gender. 
 
If a 3000 lb gaur charges at 45 MPH toward a grizzly, what can your bear do? 
 
Toby, stop reading your comic books about "The adventures of Super Grizzly" and get in reality
Posted @ Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:44 AM by zack
Zack...do your homework. Fact: the American bison is the second largest living bovine. 
 
Read your mail completely: I already stated that the ultimate carnivore is likely to be killed by a charging gaur. The grizzly can only kill the gaur if he can get close before the gaur realizes he is in danger.  
 
3 grizzly subspecies: 
 
Ursus arctos lasiotus / Ussuri brown bear / black grizzly: bigger than the Kamchatka bear. Boars average 900 - 1,000 lbs. 
 
Ursus arctos gyas / coastal grizzly: average 900 - 1,000 lbs. 
 
Ursus arcto horribilis / inland grizzly: boars average 350 - 550 lbs.  
 
Both the black grizzly and the coastal grizzly far outnumber the inland grizzly. But, the smallest of the grizzlys is also the aggresive. Any healthy young adult grizzly of any subspecies is the ultimate dominant carnivore. 
 
The grizzly species ( California golden grizzly ) which regularly hunted bison is extinct from over hunting in the late 1800's. When the bison was nearly exterminated, these grizzlys started killing cattle.
Posted @ Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:02 PM by Toby
California grizzly / Ursus arctos californicus = 600 to 1200 pounds.
Posted @ Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:01 PM by Toby
Ursus arctos nelsoni / the Mexican grizzly averaged 500 pounds. It was listed as extinct in 1964. 
 
I saw one once on "Wild Kingdom" in the early 60's. 
 
Marlin Perkins and Jim Fowler set up cameras near a Texas water hole where a jaguar was known to visit. 
 
The jaguar came down the hill for a drink. Then concealed himself in the shade beneath some bushes, to wait for some unwary prey. 
 
To everyone's surprize, the next visiter to the water hole was a very rare Mexican grizzly. When the jaguar saw the grizzly drinking, he snuk off and then took off running.
Posted @ Tuesday, July 20, 2010 7:27 PM by Toby
A grizzly can kill an adult bison, which is only slightly smaller than a gaur and has shoulder muscles equally as strong. 
 
www.nps.gov/yell/naturescience/bisonqa.htm 
 
We are talking boar silvertip / inland grizzly / Ursus horribilis.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:08 AM by Toby
But, lat's do this fight your way and Damon's way. 400 pound silvertip grizzly vs 3300 pound charging gaur. Golly! Who will win this fight?
Posted @ Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:02 PM by Toby
Toby, do you call Gaur vs. Grizzly a fifty fifty? Did you know that in the USA they now call a bison a domenestic animal? They're population is 70% in the zoo n- this is all f** humans fault. 
 
.30 feet is a fair distance between the contenders. If a Gaur charged at 45 MPH and hit the bear right in the chest, than what? 
 
Good Night Bon vienne grizzly. 
 
And again Toby, a gaur is NOT a bison, It is bigger, stronger, faster, more aggressive, much larger&sharper horns and much thicker skull. 
 
And a Water Buffalo is larger than a Bison - Did you know a Bison maxes out at 1000 kg while a water buffalo is 1200 kg? An Africaqn Buffalo is also roughly equal to a bison, 1000 kg but only a bit smaller on average. The indian Gaur is 1400 kg on average. 
 
I've seen a Buffalo Gaur ramming down 10 cm thick Bullet-Proof glass (you can find it on metacafe). Can you imagine what this monster could do if the grizzly got caught in it's horns? 
 
My internet connection has been down for the last 30 hrs or something.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:56 PM by zack
Toby ross, can a Brown Bear kill a Gaur? yes it can, can a Gaurt kill a bear? yes it can. however; only the following subspecies can do that: 
 
Kamachtka Brown Bear 
 
Alaskan Grizzly Bear 
 
Kodiak Brown Bear 
 
Any other subspecies that average under 900 lb is dead against a gaur
Posted @ Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:03 AM by zack
First of all, the American bison is considered as the second largest bovine. But, personally, I do not think that there is enough difference of size to say either way. It would simply be according to individual.  
 
The average grizzly ( considering all 3 subspecies ) is around 810 pounds. If he could ambush a gaur, he could kill it. But, a charging gaur, above the 2,000 pound mark is likely to win. I would guestimate 6 to 4 in the gaur's favor.
Posted @ Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:44 AM by Toby
It was the California grizzly that hunted bison. He was bigger than the silvertip. He is now extint from farmer/rancher stupidity. 
 
I have decided to yield. Zack is right. In a fair fight, a gaur or any really big powerful bull bovine could likely kill a grizzly.  
 
If I insist on an ambush, then it is not a face-off. A 475 pound grizzly cannot kill a big charging bull. And that's no BULL.  
 
The california grizzly either killed by ambush, or picked out weak, sick, or old, or very young bison. More often, he just took his meat from a pack of wolves.
Posted @ Friday, July 23, 2010 11:07 AM by Toby
The most interesting argument posted here are the reference to fights in California, btw bulls and grizzly bears. The bear won most of the time - however no actual evidence and info was given of the animal size, gender &health  
 
However, you should know that the same events were also being held in Spain two centuries ago.  
 
In those fights the bulls always beat lions, tigers, brown bears and Wolves (sometimes several at a time).  
 
I guess it would be a quite spectacular fight to watch!  
 
In a fight between a Fighting Bull and an Alaskan Brown Bear - the bear will win 8 out of 10 
 
Not because it is physicaly stronger, in fact Bulls are stronger than any land-based predator, including the polar bear. However, Bears have killing insincts which Fighting Bullds don't (killing insincts is not the same as aggression) - But the Captive Bull lacks on experience with outher wild animals. But if the Bull charged at 40 mph toward the bear head first. The "train with horns" will likely kill the Grizzly. 
 
Grizzly 65% vs. Fighting Bull 35%
Posted @ Friday, July 23, 2010 6:41 PM by Doctor Zink
One grizzly killed 20 bulls in one fight in Old California. But, under what conditions? How close were the quarters? 
 
Not from any info in particular, but just common-sense based ideas, I believe that a grizzly would have about a 40% chance against a really big bull in full charge. But, if the fight somehow was to start at close quaters, the grizzly has the strength to kill the bull.
Posted @ Saturday, July 24, 2010 6:30 PM by Toby
Toby, a grizzly killing 20 adult bulls AT ONES that can weight nearly a ton each, is one of the most untrue stories ever. A full charging bull can flip a bus over, has the strenght & stanima to pull a full-loaded semi across an entire spanish province; and despite it's massive and muscular build structure it can reach top-speeds of up to 40 mph. My prediction is that a 2000 lb charging bull vs. 1300 lb grizzly bear is a fair and even contest.  
 
IF a bull was a omnivore it would be one of the worlds most dangerous predators, the bull being adapted to using his legs more offensive to deliver deadly kicks. And his poweful build body. A 2000 lb bull would be a formidable and dangerous opponent to even a 2000 lb Kodiak (obviously only if it was a predator) 
 
2000 lbs Kodiak Bear vs. 2000 lbs 'Predator Bull' (hypocrity of course) 
 
 
 
Bull: is faster - has horns - can deliver deadly kicks 
 
Bear: has reticable claws - has stronger jaws - can use deadly paw blows 
 
Both: Have massive streght - are very durable - high stanima
Posted @ Saturday, July 24, 2010 11:20 PM by Doctor zink
YES! Even I can be guilty of underestimating the awesome power of the grizzly, the ultimate carnivore. Go to: 
 
www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict13.html 
 
Explore this site thoroughly.
Posted @ Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:19 AM by Toby
The biggest strongest bovine of all is the gaur. A Bengal tiger can, in 4 out of 10 ambush attacks, kill a gaur. In a face-off? 
 
In an ambush attack, I believe that a grizzly could kill the gaur at least 8 out of 10. In a face-off against a charging gaur, maybe 5 out of 10.
Posted @ Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:24 AM by Toby
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Posted @ Monday, July 26, 2010 10:12 AM by Toby
1490 lb grizzly vs. 4400 lb gaur: 
 
Who is stronger? gaur 
 
Who is bigger? gaur, 3 times 
 
Who is faster? gaur 
 
Who is more aggressive? gaur 
 
Who is far more muscular? gaur 
 
What impressive feat can a grizzly bear do to stop a 4000 lbs gaur charging at 45 mph? Nothing 
 
What can a Grizzly bear do to hurt a 2 ton bull guar? nothing 
 
What would happen if a grizzly bear delivered a pawswipe to the head of a gaur? nothing 
 
What would happen if a gaur kicked a grizzly in the head? Either crushed skull or broken neck 
 
What would happen if a gaur crashed in the bears stomach? Dead grizzly, with every rib left broken 
 
What will happen if a grizzly were to grab the gaur's head? he will be swinged around like a little reckdoll. 
 
Can a grizzly ambush a gaur? No way, it doesn't have stealth 
 
Who wins? Toby decides
Posted @ Monday, July 26, 2010 12:07 PM by Zack
It is a well established fact: The California grizzly hunted and killed bison. There is very little size difference between the average bison and the average gaur.  
 
What would happen if a grizzly hit a gaur in the head. The gaur might have a broken neck or a cracked kull. We are not talking about a sissy punch from a tiger here.
Posted @ Monday, July 26, 2010 12:22 PM by Toby
It seems that everyone here agrees with Damon. The grizzly is nothing more than an Asiatic black bear with a brown coat. 3 feet at the shoulders. 5 feet long. 420 pounds. 
 
This pygmy bear couldn't kill a Jersey cow. Damon's lion is safe.
Posted @ Monday, July 26, 2010 10:01 PM by Toby
Basic facts:  
 
The Gaur is 2200 lb on average while the bison is between 1500 to 1700 lb on average. 
 
A grizzly has never killied an adult bison on record. Only cubs or females, never a boar. Most bison carcas are taken from wolves 
 
Another fact: A grizzly bear can do no damage with it's paws because the Gaur's skull is much broader, and has more shoulder and neck muscles because of it's greater size. 
 
Last fact: a Gaur is bigger, stronger , faster, more aggressive and better armed 
 
Gaur wins, grizzly no chance head on head.
Posted @ Monday, July 26, 2010 10:30 PM by zack
zack , you have no idea what a brown bear is capable of. your answer is very ignorant and has no thought in it what so ever. 
 
i do think that a brown bear has less chance of taking the Gaur down. but if the bear got one bite one the leg of the gaur then its suffers a broken leg and gets eatten. u think bears are not stealthy, shows how little u know about them. they stalk their prey waiting for an opportunity to strike. if head on with the gaur the brown bear stands on its hind legs and goes with the charge and when the gaur stops the bear swipes. if the swipe cant crush its skull then it would at least daze the gaur and then the bear could repeatedly swipe it till its knocked out. i do admit tho this is the best case scenario for the brown bear. the gaur is very impressive to look at and is stronger, not faster. but all that muscle means it will have lower stamina. the bear can wear the Gaur out because brown bears have great stamina. tigers have been known to kill gaur and vice versa. i am 100% sure that bear could kill a gaur just not all the time. i put it 50/50 depending on the circumstance
Posted @ Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:27 AM by baris
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Posted @ Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:41 AM by Toby
No Baris, I am looking at it both ways. If a grizzly were to paw swipe a Gaur he might suffer some minor damage, but this will make the Gaur more enraged. If a Gaur charged at full speed to hit the bear with it's horns, the bear is very unlikely to survive.  
 
A Gaur IS faster than a bear, it can reach 40 to 45 mph while a grizzly maxes out at 35 mph. 
 
And a Gaur DOES have more stanima, all that muscle mass has nothing to do with whatsoever to tire quickly. Despite their massive body muscle, the Gaur has great endurance. A bear can run for more than a mile at top speed; But bovines can carry heavy weights for HUNDERD's of miles through forest, mountain and roads without stoping. 
 
And no, without ambush the Gaur is the killer and the tiger is the dead (usually) 
 
Posted @ Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:55 PM by Zack
According to Damon's own words posted, a grizzly can run as fast as a lion...faster than a tiger. Of course, the grizzly can keep up the pace much longer than any big cat. 
 
If this is a full-sized grizzly, and not one of Damon's pygmy grizzlys, a good solid slap from the bear will do serious damage to the gaur.
Posted @ Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:05 PM by Toby
It has been determined that the average Ursus arctos boar averages 607.5 pounds. A grizzly this size could kill any bovine ( bison / water buffalo / gaur ) even if the bull is in full charge. Fact: a grizzly is a highly intelligent carnivore. He knows how to use his awe-inspiring strength.  
 
Zack...how big is the average tiger when you consider all subspecies? 
 
 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:03 AM by Toby
I see a new interest in the Bull vs. Bear Faceoff. 
 
 
 
Statistically we cannot just lump all Brown Bears togeather and expect that we have an accurate outcome. 
 
 
 
The Kodiak Boar in peak shape (Salmon Runs)can range anywhere from 800Lbs. to 1400Lb. On Kodiak there are places where the Salmon run all year long. There is no way of producing a concreate statistical mean, mode etc.... 
 
 
 
I have been to Kodiak and Katmai and observed the Bears up close;you can see some of my photos on FaceBook.  
 
 
 
I'll put my $$$ on the Kodiak. 
 
 
 
IMO, The same can be said for the Coastal Browns in Alaska. I have Hiked Katmai and know these bears are close in size to the Kodiak. However, not in regard to "top end'= 1400Lbs. 
 
 
 
I'll put my $$$ on the Coastal Browns. 
 
 
 
As for the inland Grizzly Boar; with all the trophy hunting, lack of habitat in the Continental 48 and no Salmon runs it would be difficult to detrmine an accurate weight that is close to the 2 other Brown Bears mentioned above.  
 
 
 
Inland Grizzly vs. Bovine ??? 
 
 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:36 AM by Ted Fiorito
You are right, as we all know. But, there has been so much endless arguing about size and which bears fit into the catergory of grizzly. 
 
So...use your imagination. IF all wild animals lived on just 1 vast continent, then the brown bear subspecies would be interbreeding. Ursus arctos is all one species. 
 
Damon has determined that the average size, which includes all subspecies, for an adult boar brown bear is 607.5 pounds.  
 
And, I have learned that, these bears do interbreed with other subspecies. Coastal grizzlys have been known to breed in the wild with Kodiaks. Several Asian bears are well known to mix.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:45 AM by Toby
I have been through it a 1,000 times already. He is a good guy so we agree to disagree.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:52 AM by Ted
Toby, I meant with Damon!
Posted @ Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:54 AM by Ted
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Posted @ Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:47 AM by Toby
Ted, you have seen the Kodiak bears and the Katmai coastal grizzlys. Then, you know why I say that Ursus arctos is the ultimate land carnivore.  
 
The big cats are awesome predators. But, even when evenly matched in size, I will argue with my dying breath that no big cat is physically as strong.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:53 AM by Toby
Toby, Yes I agree with you for the most part. 
 
 
 
Many of our post are no longer up, but we beat this issue to death. Most like I go with the Bear while some go with the Lion or Tiger. 
 
 
 
However, there has been some documentation in Siberia that the Amur (Siberian Tiger) has on VERY RARE occassion killed Kamchaka (Spelling)??? Brown Bears.  
 
 
 
A Tiger is an ultimate Ambush & stealth predator. If it indeed did happen, the Tiger could have caught the Bear coming out from hybernation. There is too little research on such RARE events.  
 
 
 
Also, Most Big Cat Zoologists I have communicated with agree the The Big Browns (Kodiak, Coastals and Island Grizzlies) will defeat the Big Cats.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:21 PM by Ted
Since this site reopened, you ( Ted ) are the only one that agrees with me. Everyone else believes that a lion or a tiger can kill a grizzly in a face-off. 
 
I believe that the big browns killed by tigers in Siberia are mostly females and cubs. Even the females are taken by ambush. Males are reported being killed in their dens during their Winter sleep. 
 
But, some grizzlys ( brown bears ) actually hunt tigers right after their Winter sleep. Not for the purpose of killing a tiger, but to take food from it. Usually, the tiger simply gives up and the grizzly feeds. When there is a fight, the grizzly usually wins. But, this is the time when the grizzly is at his weakest...half starved from his Winter sleep. He stll wins most fights. 
 
When the big brown is well fed and at his peak, no big cat can take him in a face-off.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:32 PM by Toby
Toby, a grizzly bear only 607 lb cannot kill a Gaur in a full charge. He doesn't have the agiliy or accuracy to do so. Head on head most bovines are supreme to the Brown bear. 
 
Advantages ht Gaur regularly have over bears: 
 
Strenght 
 
Speed 
 
Size 
 
Stanima 
 
Horns 
 
Aggression 
 
More Powerful Body 
 
Bear advantages over the Gaur in normal situations: 
 
Non-retracable Claws 
 
Jaws 
 
All the Bovines that kill a Grizzly head on head: 
 
Indian Gaur 
 
Water Buffalo 
 
American Bison (50-50) 
 
Cape Buffalo (same as bison)
Posted @ Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:43 PM by Zack
And no, a Grizzly can only do very little damage to the Gaur with paw swipes. The Gaur has a Massive rock-hard head that connects with it's horns giving it extra protection, plus they have HUGE neck muscles: 
 
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ujk9GTedwW8/SxGBp9csCCI/AAAAAAAAc1M/30PhnWyI3nE/s1600/gaur001.jpg 
 
http://www.headsandtails.co.uk/Skulls&skeletons/images/P1040268.JPG 
 
Gaur = The Hulk 
 
Grizzly = Reckdoll
Posted @ Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:48 PM by zack
Grizzly = Huge shoulder, neck, and back muscles which multiply the strength of their massive arms. This is what gives the brown bear superior strength to any other carnivore, including the polar bear. Yes, Zack. A good solid hit from a 607 pound grizzly will do considerable damage to the bull gaur. It might crack his skull, or break his neck, or knock him down with a hard impact. 
 
Retractable claws, like those of a big cat, are for clinging onto prey. The grizzly has no need of such tools.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:53 PM by Toby
toby, the skull of a Gaur is much broader than the skull of a moose. They're neck muscls are far thicker and stronger than a moose's. And does a grizzly kill a Bison by breaking it's neck? no, they kill the bovine by tackeling it. 
 
If a Grizzly delivered a swipe to the head, he will make the gaur enraged. If a gaur were to kick a grizzly bear in the face or skull. He will likely crush bones or break it's neck. This is because the Guar is far stronger than a Bear.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:09 PM by zack
The grizzly is a highly intelligent carnivore, near primate intelligence. The grizzly has more than one way of attacking a herbivore, or for that matter, another carnivore. 
 
The grizzly knows how to size an animal up. The bison is also a lot heavier than a grizzly. The bison also has a very thick skull with neck and shoulders equal to a gaur's. But, the grizzly knows how to get past these defences.
Posted @ Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:44 AM by Toby
The grizzly bear is mainly omnivore, preying upon animals larger than itself extremely rarely. The largest mammal the bear will ever tackle is a Moose (not a bison); but even than, Bull moose are fairly safe from grizzly attacks. The only known true redator thread to a moose is the orca, who has been known to kill moose when swimming by the same way they kill polar bears on occasion.  
 
Now about grizzly bison situations. There hasn't been a single record of a grizzly bear who had ever killed a healthy adult male bison. A grizzly bear lack on experience and ability to do this. His rear limbs are nowhere near as strong or muscular as a tiger's. This means he cannot lift himself of the ground in the air. left standing nothing but vunerable to the charging Bovines who is many times stronger than the grizzly. 
 
Now don't even get me started on the Gaur. 
 
And a gaur's skull is much thicker than a Bison's skull. This is because their large, thick horns are connected to the head. Giving it an extra layer of protection. Kind of like a 'helmet' of the Gaurs head. A bison has a hard head, but it ain't thick as or durable. Neither does a moose.
Posted @ Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:14 PM by Zack
People tend to under-rate the power of bovines, undoubtably toby for sure. Because all are herbivores and many are captive in farms rather than wild. Toby believes any bovine is a push over. 
 
FACT: a buffalo, bison or bull are MUCH stronger than a grizzly bear 
 
FICTION: a grizzly is the ultimate carnivore - everyone has his own opinion. toby has no respect. In every one of his comments he makes the same statement. Toby forces people to believe he is right.
Posted @ Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:25 PM by Zack
Zack, you sound like the person you just described. 
 
 
 
I have been through these conversations with Bear vs. Lion. Everyone has an opinion. 
 
 
 
However, there are reports of Grizzlies taking down Bison. Perhaps fact; perhaps some fiction. They are listed in the Bear vs. Lion site.
Posted @ Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:35 PM by Ted
www.africahunting.com/hunting-asia/2874-gaur-indian-bison.html 
 
No, Zack. I do not underestimate the size and power of a gaur, water buffalo, bison, yak, or Cape buffalo. But, you underestimate the strength and power of a 607 pound highly intelligent grizzly.
Posted @ Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:36 PM by Toby
Yes. That was the California grizzly ( now extinct )-( exterminated by cattlemen ). This grizzly was the size of coastal bears because it ate a rich diet of meat. This has been told of in countless tells by American pioneers, Indians, and Spanish. It was the California grizzlys that fought bulls and lions ( always winning ). They regularly fed on bison, when bison were plentiful.
Posted @ Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:42 PM by Toby
Ursus arctos ( all living subspecies ) average boar= 607.5 lbs. 
 
Panthera leo ( both subspacies ) average male= 420 lbs. 
 
Panthera tigris ( all living subspecies ) average male= ? 
 
Yes Zack... Ursus arctos is the ultimate carnivore.
Posted @ Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:48 PM by Toby
Average weight of Polar bear: 900 lbs 
 
Average weight of Walrus: 2500 lbs 
 
Average weight of Elephant seal: 4000 lbs 
 
Even if weight was everything that mattered (which toby believes is true) the Grizzly is still nowhere near the "ultimate carnivore".  
 
And toby, did you know that figthing events were held in spain aswell (according to abba, google it). In those fights. Bulls (smaller than gaurs) alsways beat lions, tiger and grizzly bears. 
 
http://www.freewebs.com/mountainlionsinfo/cougarvsbearsaccounts.htm 
 
According to toby, the california fights are very reliable. Therefore, you will also have to accept that THE SAME BOOK also stated that no boar grizzly was a match to a cougar (one third the size of a tiger) 
 
Toby believs the grizzly is a Super-Animal that can break anything it wants. He can crush the skull of a mommoth, elephant or t-rex. I don't underrate the ability of the grizzly, you overrate it a lot. Me, Damon, and Zink all agree.
Posted @ Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:18 PM by zack
i wouldnt say that bears are the ultimate carnivores but more the ultimate omnivore (barr humans) because most bears eat plant matter except the polar bear. a polar bear i believe has the harshest life considering everything. no tiger or lion could survive there and that is fact (if they could then there would be a sub species living there today with the polar bears) 
 
 
 
bears are more powerful animals compared to tigers and lions, fact. i cant see a lion or tiger draggin a walrus about (which polar bears do) 
 
 
 
predators have always been more intelligent than its prey. the preys defence is to grow big.  
 
the predator and prey push each other to gain the advantage and if either one cant adapt then they die out.  
 
 
 
now a gaur is big but not big enough for it not to be killed by a big bear or big tiger.(unlike a elephant which a bear or a tiger would have no chance) 
 
 
 
all i am trying to say is they have the abillity to kill each other. not the bear or the gaur can win all the time, fact.  
 
i myself would rather go and fight a gaur than a bear anyday because at least it wont eat me :)
Posted @ Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:08 PM by baris
By carnivore, I am speaking of the order Carnivora. I sent this site to Zack already, telling of a grizzly draging a 1,000 pound steer ( which it had easiloy killed ) up an almose vertical hill for a half mile before stopping to eat.  
 
Polar bears run from grizzlys. A 607 pound grizzly could easily kill a walrus or elephant seal on dry land. 
 
How big is the average tiger Zack?
Posted @ Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:47 PM by Toby
Toby, like I've said before an average tiger is 180 kg, or 400 lb. 
 
Royal Bengal - 237 kg 
 
Amur Tiger - 230 kg 
 
Indonish - 179 kg 
 
South China - 173 
 
Malayan - 141 kg 
 
Sumatran - 120 kg 
 
 
 
But that is not the pont. My point is that A grizzly bear cannot kill a 2200 lb bull Gaur (average size). The Gaur is simply to strong for the bear to handle. More than 3 times bigger. The Gaur's skull is much brader and more durable. And it's neck muscles are bigger and stronger. I can see no weakness in the brute, who can kill any bear in a single blow. A grizzly bear lacks on power compared to a Gaur. 
 
And toby no, a Grizzly cannot kill a Walrus on land. Now you are just acting foolish. No way those tiny canines and weak jaws can ever do any damage to the thick hide of a walrus. Neither can it's non-rectacable claws. And if a 900 lb polar bear cannot crush the skull of a walrus, well neither can a much smaller and weaker 600 lb grizzly. And why dry land? because a grizzly bear has no chance in the water. It's lacks on swimming ability 
 
All the land-based mammals that are PHYSICALY stronger than a grizzly: 
 
Elephant 
 
Rhino 
 
Hippo 
 
Polar bear 
 
Giraffe 
 
Gaur 
 
Bison 
 
Buffalo 
 
Yak 
 
Large Ox 
 
Bull 
 
Horse 
 
Zebra 
 
Moose 
 
Eland 
 
Liger (800 lb on average vs. 600 lb) 
 
I probably mist a lot more.
Posted @ Friday, July 30, 2010 12:13 PM by zack
First of all, NO. Gaurs can grow really big. But, 2200 pounds is NOT their average size. Against a bull gaur, I'd say: 
 
Tiger... 30% 
 
Grizzly. 40%
Posted @ Friday, July 30, 2010 12:39 PM by Toby
There are 3 subspecies of gaur. 
 
Bos gaurus gaurus..the Indian Bison. 
 
Bos gaurus hubback..the Malayan gaur or Seladang. 
 
Bos gaurus laosiensis..the South East Asian gaur. This is the biggest and rarest of gaurs. As for this subspecies, YES 2200 pounds may indeed be close to average. 
 
In a face-off, I'd give a grizzly about a 40% chance. Any other bovine, 50% and up.
Posted @ Friday, July 30, 2010 1:27 PM by Toby
Zack, 
 
 
 
Now you are way over board. 
 
 
 
Big Browns vs. Big Bulls 
 
 
 
Look up the famous Ranger Bell! Go read "CALIFORNA GRIZZLY" Chapters 5-6 pages 121-126;140-162. The Bears ruled the Spanish Bulls! In this book the Bears endurance, strength, and tactics won the day. 
 
 
 
Big Browns vs. Bison (Buffalo) 
 
 
 
"A veteran hunter in Dakota once watched a huge male Grizzly attack a small heard of Buffalo cows protected by 5 or 6 Bulls," related Wayne Gard in the "Great Buffalo Hunt." "As the Bear approached the, the bulls closed ranks and lowered their horns. When the Bulls charged, the Bear struck one of them so hard with his Paws that he broke the back of the Bull, killing him instanly. But the other Bulls used their horns so effectively that soon the Bear crawled off with mortal wounds (Great Bear Almanac, p.111). 
 
 
 
1 on 1 the Big Grizzly broke the Buffalo's back! As a team the Buffalo prevailed. 
 
 
 
Now the question; how reliable are the sources? It is the best we have. 
 
 
 
Remember, weare talking about the Great Grizzlies of the 1800s-early 1900s. 
 
 
 
Also, if I use your argument then strength is meaningless. 
 
 
 
Horse - No Chance against A Grizzly 
 
 
 
Zebra - No Chance 
 
 
 
Liger - No Chance! This Hybrid can't cut it. 
 
 
 
Moose - A BIG BULL won't take a BIG BOAR. 
 
 
 
 
 
Also, there are a lot more Alaskan Male Coastal Browns averaging well over 600Lbs. I have observed these bears on Kodiak and Katmai; I have seen them up close. The average is more like 850Lbs++ (The Great Bear Almanac), supports this. There are also probably more Kodiaks in the wild than Grizzlies in the lower 48.  
 
 
 
You do realize these bears can sometimes double there weight from Spring to Fall.
Posted @ Friday, July 30, 2010 4:02 PM by Ted
ted, you are almost as bad as toby 
 
 
 
this has nothing to do with a DOMESTIC bull or INAGGRESSIVE bison. A buffalo or gaur is like a combination of the two. It has the size and strenght of a bison with the aggression and testarone level of a fighting bull. I cannot see a grizzly winning this contest. 
 
And no, Damon, me and even toby all agree that the average of all Brown bears is 600 lbs THROUGHOUT THE YEAR (in caps to make sure you don't come up with the same idiotic excuse again)  
 
And no, the average weight of a kodiak is 300 kg, or 661 lb - Damon has an actual record upon this. Do you have any evidence? Many sites actauly say 312 kg, or 690 lbs 
 
Solution: the kodiak is between 650 to 700 lbs on average
Posted @ Friday, July 30, 2010 4:39 PM by zack
Zack,  
 
 
 
Are you as stupid as you appear? 
 
 
 
I mentioned Kodiak & Alaskan Coastal Browns; NOT EVERY subspecies of Brown Bear. You are being disingenious to say the least. 
 
 
 
I don't care what foolish crap you put on the website or who agrees with who. Go look up retired Alaskan Biologist Vic Barnes and tell him the average Adult MALE Kodiak wieghs 650-700 and you will learn what a fool you sound like. 
 
 
 
Go to Alaska or at least contact the Zoologists and professionals there and learn from true experts. 
 
 
 
I documented my material on the Bear vs. Lion site; I don't have time for idiotic games. Been here done this; you are all over the place except the right one.
Posted @ Friday, July 30, 2010 4:58 PM by Ted
Also, anyone who makes the argument that a horse, Zebra, Liger etc.. are stonger than a Adult Male Grizzly should stay off such sites LOL...
Posted @ Friday, July 30, 2010 5:04 PM by Ted
Zack worships the gaur. The American bison is a very unpredictable beast. A bull bison protecting his herd is every inche as aggressive as any gaur. There are thousands of such tales from pioneers, Indians, and the Spanish of Old California. A boar grizzly can kill a bull gaur, more often than the tiger succeeds. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Friday, July 30, 2010 5:52 PM by Toby
Yes, a horse is stronger than an average male grizzly, who is roughly 490 lbs on average. And yes, a horse or Zebra can be 900 to 1000 lb on average. If Ted believes that lb for lb bears are twice as strong than horses. He should go learn some grade five biology.  
 
Average weights: 
 
Liger - 705 lb 
 
Grizzly - 490 lb 
 
Now do you have any evidence that lb for lb bears are much stronger than cats? 
 
And a Kodiak is 650 to 700 lb on average, we can discuss that on the Lion vs Bear forum 
 
Now back to bovines, no grizzly is a match to a healthy Boar Gaur. who can reach 3300 lbs or more.
Posted @ Friday, July 30, 2010 5:56 PM by zack
Average Ursus arctos / brown bear / grizzly = 607.5 pounds. 
 
But, now you are talking about a 3300 pound gaur.  
 
Bos gaurus laosiensis is extremely rare. A 3300 pound individual is eXtremely eXtremely rare, IF there are any still living.  
 
But, since you insist on playing BIGGEST which you have a bad habbit of, Zink...2200 pound Kodiak can kill your 3300 pound gaur.  
 
This reminds me, the average tiger using only Bengal and Siberian is 400 pounds. But, with all six subspecies...perhaps 300 pounds? 
 
 
 
Posted @ Friday, July 30, 2010 6:03 PM by Toby
Zack has a bad habit with regards to statistics.  
 
 
 
He is taking every Brown Bear subspecies and trying to come up with a mean, mode or medium. 
 
 
 
First, I never said a Grizzly is twice as strong as any animal so lets stick to facts. 
 
 
 
FACT - Kodiak Adult Males 8-30 years of age go between 800-1400Lbs. Coatal Browns go between 700-1150.  
 
 
 
Do the math! 
 
 
 
You are lumping all Brown Bears, some are even extinct, into one category which is foolish.  
 
 
 
You cannot add a Grizzly in the lower 48 states because no one, not even Dr. French head of the Yellowstone National Park knows how many exist. 
 
 
 
I have been consistent: The Best of The Best. Kodiaks Males & Coastal Brown Males against the Bulls you mention. 
 
 
 
You want more information: Go read what I posted a year ago on Black Bear vs. Lion. Most of us compared Alaskan Island Grizzlies, Alaskan Brown Coastals and Kodiaks. Grizzly as you should know only refers to the grizzled fur. I am done so enjoy the argument. 
 
Posted @ Friday, July 30, 2010 7:13 PM by Ted
When attempting to add all of the bears which are considered as Ursus arctos, we are talking about 16 subspecies that I can list. Also, as I have pointed out to Damon on more than one occasion, any estimate is no more than an educated guess. Unless someone can dart / and weigh each and every male adult of a species.  
 
Damon came up with 607.5 pounds from...Mother Nature only knows what data~~~
Posted @ Friday, July 30, 2010 7:20 PM by Toby
Toby, 
 
 
 
You know how they weigh adult Kodiak Males? They do it with helicopter! Damon knows this because I posted names and phone #s on the Black Bear vs. Lion site. 
 
 
 
That is how big Kodiaks can get! 
 
 
 
If you like just look up Black Bear vs. Lion and you will see my posts. 
 
 
 
If you want I can provide you with #s and names in Alaska.
Posted @ Friday, July 30, 2010 9:02 PM by Ted
zack i actually cant believe how biast you are. you are making your self look foolish. 
 
how can you measure a horses strength? 
 
bulls are stupid animals bears are much smarter than dogs. 
 
now tell me how a bears jaw power is weak becuase if u look at the skull of a bearits shows that they have massive jaw muscles. also brown bears are good swimmers (not as good as a polar bear tho). here is a fact for you bears are agile and can dodge a bulls charge, fact. 
 
(let me put it like this i can dodge the bull head on) matadors do it all the time. why because a bull charge is in straight lines then it turns round and lines up for the next charge. so your bull is less agile , infact it is less agile than a bear. i could not dodge a bear because it could turn more quickly than i can. bear can catch a deer now is a deer agile? yes it is . if bear can catch a deer then a bear is just as agile. 
 
 
 
you should do some reading , watch some bear documentries. the out come of this fight does not go by what you think but it goes by what is fact. the fact is like a i said b4 they have the abillity to kill each other. now stop ur whining and accept the facts.
Posted @ Friday, July 30, 2010 10:02 PM by baris
Grizzlys are quite capable of taking down most large herbivores, but have developed another strategy. Because these big brown bears are so incredibly powerful, the grizzly will follow the trail of other predators. Note: a grizzly has a better nose than a bloodhound. The grizzly, when he wants fresh meat, will simply take it, by force if neccessary, from a pack of wolves or from a tiger.  
 
*I use the term "grizzly" for any member of Ursus arctos. 
 
The only other predator believed to have had this same strategy was T-rex. He took kills from raptors. Either T-rex or the grizzly were/are quite capable of doing their own killing. They simply evolved from "hitman" to "godfather".
Posted @ Saturday, July 31, 2010 4:20 AM by Toby
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Posted @ Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:48 AM by Toby
Question for Baris, Ted, or Damon: 
 
How tall was Ursus maritimus tyrannus standing upright?
Posted @ Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:33 AM by Toby
Ted, so on who's side are you? Grizzly or Gaur? It would be stupid to pick a 600 lbs Grizzly over a 2200 lbs Gaur. And 800 to 1400 lbs is stated on wiki, however wiki also states that the Indian gaur averages 3000 lb! Wikipedia is an unreliable site. You cannot judge the average weight of an animal simply by taking the number in the middle. For example: 
 
A Saltwater croc can reach from 4 to 8 metres, now does that put them on an average of 6 metres? no, their average is no greater than 5 metres (16 ft). I want an actual study, no mere assumptions. 
 
And Toby, if we are using the maximum size, you should now that the largest kodiak in the wild was 2000 lb according to many sources, while the largest Gaur was 4400 lbs! More than twice it's size! 
 
Now if we use the 'realistic' maximum size, the Kodiak Bear is at 1500 lbs while a Gaur is 3300 lbs, again more than twice the weight. 
 
Now on average the Brown Bear is 607 lbs while the average Gaur is 2200 lbs, again the Gaur dwarfs the Bear
Posted @ Saturday, July 31, 2010 2:21 PM by Zack
Zack,  
 
 
 
You need to learn to read and research what others write! 
 
 
 
I never mentioned a Gaur; actually I know little about them. 
 
 
 
As for Wiki LOL... You might want to go over to Black Bear vs. Lion Post and look at all the referrences I gave as to the weight of Kodiaks & Coastal Grizzlies. 
 
 
 
Does Wiki tell you how they weigh Adult Male Kodiaks? Helicopters!!! You can actually call and speak to the experts and referrences I posted. 
 
 
 
Your assumptions make you look foolish!
Posted @ Saturday, July 31, 2010 3:45 PM by Ted
It is not about who's side you are on. It is about truth and facts. I have learned, during my time on this site, that asking Wiki is like asking your local bar-tender how many teeth does a piranah have?
Posted @ Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:35 PM by Toby
The most common gaur is the Malayan gaur. Max bull = 2,900 lbs. 
 
Less common, but not rare, the Indian gaur. Max bull = 2,900 lbs. 
 
The extremely rare South East Asian gaur is the biggest. Max bull = 3,300 pounds. 
 
Kodiak bear boars range from 800 to 1500 pounds. Max boar = 14 feet tall / 2,500 pounds. 
 
Brown bear vs gaur - I'd give the Brown Bear 7 to 3 odds.
Posted @ Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:19 AM by Toby
The prehistoric giant bison stood 8.5 feet at the shoulders. As far as I can find, this bison was the biggest bovine ever. It's natural enemies included ( likely ) the American lion, Smilodon, Dire wolves, the short-faced bear, and the grizzly.
Posted @ Sunday, August 01, 2010 11:03 AM by Toby
toby  
 
your question about Ursus maritimus tyrannus. i cant give an answer because i dont know. i all i know is they were huge my guess would be that the standing high of the boars would be 11 to 14 foot but that is a educated guess.
Posted @ Sunday, August 01, 2010 1:41 PM by baris
Toby, you should know that the 2500 lb Kodiak was captive, he was likely an obese giant. However, what was the largest Kodiak in the wild?  
 
Usual Kodiak bear: 800 to 1400 lb 
 
Largest Kodiak bear in the wild: 1690 lb 
 
Usual Indian Gaur: 2200 to 3300 lb 
 
Largest Indian Gaur: 4400 lb 
 
Source: Guinness World Book of Records - http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/natural_world/ 
 
 
 
The Indian gaur dwarfs the Kodiak Bear by more than dubble. Not to mention all the advantages it holds: 
 
Size: Gaur 
 
Weight: Gaur 
 
Strenght: Gaur by far 
 
Horns: Gaur 
 
Stanima: Gaur 
 
Muscle: Gaur 
 
Durable: Gaur 
 
Kick: Gaur 
 
Non-retractable claws: Bear 
 
Jaws: Bear 
 
Paws: Bear
Posted @ Sunday, August 01, 2010 3:30 PM by Zack
Source: Guinness World Book of Records - http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/natural_world/  
 
According to the Guinness book of records the largest Kodiak bear was little under 1700 lbs, that 2400 lbs was an obese captive one. Because being captive, he likely lacks on fighting style and killing insincts.
Posted @ Sunday, August 01, 2010 3:33 PM by zack
NOT the Indian gaur. The big one is the nearly extinct South East Asian gaur. 
 
mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/2007/01/29/new-world-record-brown-bear/ 
 
A 9 year old girl killed an 1,800 pound brown bear. 
 
A boar Kodiak, Kamchatka bear, coastal grizzly, or Ussuri bear could kill the average bull gaur in 7 out of 10 fights.
Posted @ Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:09 PM by Toby
Zack. What makes you think that a gaur has more stamina than a grizzly?
Posted @ Sunday, August 01, 2010 5:11 PM by Toby
Toby, what arguement do you have against my comment? Close to nothing. Male Indian gaur average 2,900 lb, and the largest individuals may exceed 4,400 lb. 
 
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/natural_world/ 
 
An African buffalo has four times the strength of an ox, according to recent research. A determined buffalo can even tip over a motorcar: 
 
http://animal.discovery.com/mammals/african-buffalo/ 
 
Now a Gaur is even stronger than a Buff. Can you imagine what this brute is capable of! 
 
And yes bovids have more stanima than bears do. A grizzly can keep his to speed for a couple of miles maybe. But a Cow, Bull, or Gaur can pull heavyweight wagons (a ton easily) for hunderds of miles non-stop. In India they still use bovids for this job, due their enormous strenght and stanima 
 
Gaur vs Bear - Gaur wins 8 out of 10
Posted @ Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:51 PM by zack
Toby, why an average Gaur vs. an oversized 1800 lb Brown bear? Because the bear needs every advantage possible in order to stand a chance.  
 
IF you are using the largest bear, 1800 lbs. Than I will use the largest Gaur: 4400 lbs. 
 
IF you are using the average Alaskan Brown Bear: 850 lb. Than I am using the average Indian Gaur: 2900 lb. 
 
If you are using the average of all Brown Bears: 607 lb. Than I am using the average of all Gaur species: 2200 lb 
 
Pick any of the options above
Posted @ Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:56 PM by Zack
Oxen pull wagons at very slow speed, that human walkers can keep pace with.  
 
What really amazes me about you Zack, is that you always want your beast ( gaur / tiger ) to be at MAX size. Indian gaur do NOT average 2,900 lbs. That is their MAX. Indian gaur do NOT reach 4,400 pounds EVER. 
 
My average size brown bear ( some people get upset if I say grizzly ) at 607.5 pounds can kill your average gaur of 1800 to 2000 pounds.
Posted @ Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:01 PM by Toby
YOU ask, "why did I say an 1800 pound brown bear"? 
 
Because you ZACK said 3300 pound gaur which is eXtremely rare. In fact, more rare than my 1800 pound Kodiak.
Posted @ Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:06 PM by Toby
Let's keep it real. Average size! 
 
2,000 pound bull gaur vs 607.5 pound brown bear.  
 
Posted @ Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:08 PM by Toby
Malayan gaur.....2,900 pounds MAX. 
 
Indian gaur......2,900 pounds MAX. 
 
S.E.Asian gaur...3,300 pounds MAX. 
 
*Average gaur....2,000 pounds.
Posted @ Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:26 PM by Toby
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Posted @ Monday, August 02, 2010 8:51 AM by Toby
In all honesty, against a giant gaur ( any gaur above 2,200 pounds is unusually large ) a lion or a tiger would likely stand a better chance because of their killing methods. The big cat attaches itself onto the gaur ( that is the real pupose of those meat-hook claws ) and gets a strangle hold onto it's throat with big-cat jaws. 
 
The big cat's methods are better on large herbivores, but not against other predators.  
 
Lion/Tiger vs gaur = 7 to 3. 
 
brown bear vs gaur = 6 to 4. 
 
brown bear vs lion/tiger = 8 to 2.
Posted @ Monday, August 02, 2010 9:00 AM by Toby
Toby, so explain how the Brown bear wins this against the Gaur? his killing method is to either swat or wrestle treir prey down. But the Gaur is far to strong for this to happen. And with the Gaur holding almost all of the mayor advantages I cannot see a bear winning this. Neither is the bear quick & accurate enough to get out of the way if the Gaur charges: 
 
Gaur is bigger 
 
The Gaur is 3x heavier 
 
The Gaur is stronger 
 
The Gaur is more aggressive 
 
The Gaur has better eyesight 
 
The Gaur has more stanima 
 
The Gaur is more Durable build 
 
The Gaur is more muscular 
 
The Gaur has horns 
 
The Gaur can deliver deadly kicks 
 
The Gaur has better eyesight 
 
Bear? jaws? claws? Moehaha
Posted @ Tuesday, August 03, 2010 6:19 AM by Zack
Gaur = The Hulk 
 
Grizzly = Baby 
 
http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/01/brown-bears-part-1/ 
 
Look at the grizzly bear, big shoulder muscles hmm... Now Compare those to the Gaur's: 
 
http://www.indiaplaces.com/india-sanctuaries/b-r-hills-wildlife-sanctuary.html 
 
Look at that mountain of bulk reaching up to the midsection(!) lol. The grizzly bear's shoulders are laughable compared to the Gaur's.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 03, 2010 6:29 AM by Zack
Brown bear has an endurance level as high if not higher than the gaur. The bear has much more intelligence.  
 
The gaur has bigger shoulders, but...those shoulders are on a big cow. The bear is a carnivore. Just as the California grizzly killed bulls and bison, which ever method works best. 
 
The brown bear is indeed a wrestler. This skill is backed up by high intelligence and brute strength.  
 
Like Baris said...If a man can dodge a charging bull, a brown bear can dodge a gaur. Brown bear over gaur...6 to 4.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 03, 2010 7:53 AM by Toby
Someone once bragged that a tiger once killed an Indian elephant. This was just a freak one-time event. But, some bears hunt BIG game regularly. Polar bears hunt whale! 
 
www.seaworld.org/animal-info-books/polar-bear/diet.htm
Posted @ Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:01 AM by Toby
This reminds me. Has Zack given up on defending the tiger?
Posted @ Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:03 AM by Toby
I really want to see a bull vs buffalo!
Posted @ Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:41 PM by jake
A grizzly bear can keep his top speed for maybe a mile. A gaur, ox, cow, or bul can pull a heavy wagon (couple of tons easily) for hundreds of miles without stoping though mountains, hills and grasslands. That is a feat a bear can never perform. This is because the Gaur or bull is much stronger than a bear, and have far more endurance.  
 
And a grizzly cannot stop a Gaur from charging into him and trampling him. A bear is much stronger than a man. But a grizzly doesn't have human intelligence / accuracy. Remember bears are short sighted, another weakeness.  
 
And polar bears mostly hunt marine seal. Bengula whales are unusual prey. But remeber, tigers can hunt large mugger or saltwater crocodiles. bengula whales ain't that large 3000 lb max. Crocs are far more powerful than Bengula whales. Much stronger jaws and armour spiked skin. Jet tigers still kill them 
 
And no I still post about the tiger, but it's summer holydays and I do more than sit infront of my PC all day long. I have a life.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:26 PM by zack
Zack, you should watch "The Real West" sometime. Those wagons being pulled, some by mule, some by horse, and some by oxen seldom traveled much over 10 miles in a day. And it was slow enough for the people walking.  
 
Tigers do not go crocodile hunting. 
 
You ever been to a rodio Zack? I didn't think so. Cowboys and rodio clowns have very little trouble dodging the charging angry bulls. A brown bear would have less trouble. Plus, those bulls are certainly quicker and more agile than a heavy gaur. 
 
Stamina...the gaur likely has far less than a brown bear. If a California grizzly can kill bulls and bison, a big brown bear can kill a gaur. Any gaur. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:51 PM by Toby
Toby, did you ever go to India? They use cows, bulls or Gaur to pull massive wagons accros provinces. They have no rest between and go for days straight. Across an entire province. They go at a relative speed of 3 to 5 mph. And the people sit in the wagon, not walk with them. The Gaur surely has more stanima than a bear. It would be stupid to regret it.  
 
And no grizzly has ever killed a healthy adult Bison; only old, sick, weak, young, or females are taken. Never a healthy boar. A grizzly, being an aomnivore knows better than to mess with this much stronger bovids. The largest prey taken is a moose, not a bison.  
 
And yes tigers have killed crocodiles many times: 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGe6GP4lALU&feature=related 
 
Now don't go merely over the link, watch it! 
 
And a grizzly doesn't have the accuracy, intelligence, and dextrousity to stop a Bull gaur from killing and trampling him. Ain't gonna happen. 
 
A healthy 3000 lb Gaur can easily kill any Brown bear of any size.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:08 AM by Zack
Strenght: Gaur 
 
Speed: Gaur 
 
Weight: Gaur 
 
Size: Gaur 
 
Stanima: Gaur 
 
Durable: Gaur 
 
Horns: Gaur 
 
Strong Kick: Gaur 
 
Aggression: Gaur 
 
Muscle mass: Gaur 
 
Obvious winner: G-A-U-R 
 
Do I have yo spell it out for Toby?
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:12 AM by zack
Zack, 
 
 
 
Has your ignorant ass ever studied the way the Big Brown Kills the  
 
G-A-U-R or Bull? It will crotch and sidestep the CHARGE and kill your beloved GAUR LOL..... Thats a sure bet!
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:52 AM by Ted
Zack, Enough with your G-A-U-R Bullshit LOL... Face it, the Big Brown Kills your Gaur and eats it. Give it up LOL.......
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:55 AM by Ted
Ted, not to long ago you said you know very little about Gaur's. So how can you judge? Youre some type of little grizzly fanboy. And no a grizzly is not accurate enough to avoid a charge from a train with horns at 45 mph.  
 
A Bull is no Gaur, you do realize that the South-Asian Gaur can reach 2200 to 3300 lb. Larger than a Bison, Water buff or Cape buff 
 
-If a Bengal tiger can only kill a Gaur with stealth and still loses mostly how can a grizzly do it face to face. 
 
-If an aggressive Cape buff can overcome 3 to 5 lionnesses, and a Gaur is even larger and stronger than a Cape buff 
 
Ted and Toby seem to think Bovids are some type of pushover. A Grizzly bear cannot kill a Gaur, never head on head.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:08 PM by Zack
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Interspecies-Conflict-3754/Kodiak-Bear-vs-Cape.htm 
 
Question: Cape Buffalo vs. Kodiak Bear 
 
Anwer From Expert Dewey Jorin: Well, a Cape Buffalo is certainly not a domestic bull! Usually, these enormous bovids are only defeated by several lions at the same time! 
 
They are also much bigger, more aggressive and have deadly horns. Kodiak bears are huge and strong, but they are mainly herbivores. I reckon it would be a quite fierce battle... but I believe the Cape Buffalo would have good chances to win.  
 
The thing is, a brown bear (Kodiaks are the largest subspecies of brown bear) is not as agile and fast as a lion, has not such a good grip, and overall, it is not really well adapted to kill large prey. They do sometimes, of course, but even the giant moose of North America and Northern Asia are not as powerful as a full grown male Cape Buffalo. Trying to crush the Cape buffalo's skull would probably not work at all; these animals have "armoured" heads, protected by some sort of helmet formed by the base of the horns. They also have much thicker skulls compared to bulls.  
 
Even entire prides of lions sometimes fail their attempt to bring down one of these animals.  
 
Best regards 
 
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Interspecies-Conflict-3754/2008/3/Interspecies-conflict-27.htm 
 
Answer from Expert Fady Isho:  
 
3. Cape buffalo vs Grizzly bear: You can't really compare a bull, and a buffalo; buffalos have thicker skulls, and better weaponry, then a domestic bull. Grizzly bears are massive, and overwhelmingly strong. However, since they don't have the agility of say... a lion, or tiger and weaponry not designed to bring down these animals, it wouldn't do very well. Crushing the skull probably wouldn't work at all; these bovines have a helmet- like armor formed at the base of the horns, and very thick skulls. The buffalo would win. 
 
You give it up, Ted. A Gaur is even more powerful than a Buffalo
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:18 PM by Zack
"A Grizzly Fanboy" LOL... At least I have walked among them and observed them in their natural habitat.  
 
 
 
Have you Zack the "Gaur Fan Boy" or "Tiger Fanboy" ever walked and observed them in their natural habitat? 
 
 
 
Sounds like you are trying to make the case for the Tiger. I love Tigers but The Big Browns will destroy them in a head to head matchup unless of course the Bear is asleep LOL...
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:21 PM by Ted
Ted what do tigers have to do with this? Here you go: 
 
http://jackjacksonj.webs.com/tigerpredationonbears.htm 
 
1.) " Hornocker and Quigley bring their great experience with North American mountain lions to their Siberian tiger investigations. Earlier, on the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico, Hornocker discovered that a single female cougar had acquired a taste for wild sheep and alone was endangering the desert bighorns living on the range. Recently on the Sikhote-Alin Biosphere Reserve, he and Quigley discovered a similar situation. A 400-pound (180 kg) male Siberian tiger had developed an even stranger preference for just one prey: brown bears. Although red deer and other game were readily avaiable, this cat stalked and ate bears almost twice as heavy as itself. The biologists tracked the tiger through the snow to eight separate bear kills, all of which seemed to have been accomplished without great effort, except one. In that kill, there was evidence of a vicious battle with bits of bear hide strewn over a wide area, but the tiger had won."  
 
there are 28 records, feel free to read them. 
 
Now get back on topic.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:33 PM by Zack
Zack, 
 
 
 
You mentioned Tigers long before I did. 
 
 
 
Now you write about Tigers with a "Preference" for Brown Bears. What kind of Brown Bears; CUBS? LOL...You are using "Brown Bears" much too loosly. 
 
 
 
In Siberia it does happen on rare occassion, however, don't lump all Brown Bears together. 
 
 
 
Zack, are you saying you believe the a "Amur" Siberian Tiger which is nearly extinct, can hunt and take on a MALE Kodiak, Alaskan Coastal Brown and even a Male Island Grizzly? You are lost! 
 
 
 
As far as the Gaur is concerned; I could care less. Kodiaks & Big Coastals have never been documented (pitted) to my knowledge against Gaurs or Cape Buffalo for that matter.  
 
 
 
If your ADD ass stayed on topic this would be about The Big Browns (Grizzly) vs. Spanish Bovine. You brought up Gaurs and Cape Buffalo.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:54 PM by Ted
Does this site have any Administrator? I want some changes into more fights such as: 
 
Siberian tiger vs. African Lion 
 
Bengal Tiger vs. Grizzly Bear 
 
Barbary Lion vs. Grizzly Bear 
 
South Asian Gaur vs. Grizzly bear 
 
American Black bear vs. Pantanal Jaguar 
 
Speclatled bear vs. Mountian Gorilla 
 
Silverback Gorilla vs. Mountain Lion 
 
Cougar vs. Leopard 
 
African Leopard vs. Spotted hyena 
 
Wolverine vs. Mandrill 
 
Gray Wolf vs. Snow Leopard 
 
Indian Elephant vs White Rhinoceros 
 
Tyrannosaurus Rex vs. Spinosaurus 
 
Andrewsarchus vs. Giant short faced Bear 
 
Smilodon Populator vs. American Lion 
 
in the water; 
 
Saltwater Crocodile vs Great White Shark 
 
Hippopotamus vs. Pacific Walrus 
 
Colossal Squid vs. Killer Whale 
 
Megalodon vs. Liopleurodon 
 
Basilosaurus vs. Prehistoric Sperm Whale 
 
Green Anaconda vs. Leatherback Sea turtle
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:55 PM by Zack
I wanto add this fight to: 
 
Tasmanian Devil vs. African Honey Badger
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:58 PM by Zack
Zack,  
 
 
 
Make sure you specify Male Kodiaks and Alaskan Coastal Browns LOL...
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:01 PM by Ted
Zack, 
 
 
 
Great matchup; I'll go with the Honey Badger only because of it's size advantage. And yes I know the Tazmanian Devil has amazing bite force.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:04 PM by Ted
Ted, out of curiosity can you tell me who wil win these match-ups? 
 
 
 
American Black bear vs. Pantanal Jaguar  
 
Speclatled bear vs. Mountian Gorilla  
 
Silverback Gorilla vs. Mountain Lion  
 
Cougar vs. Leopard  
 
African Leopard vs. Spotted hyena  
 
Wolverine vs. Mandrill  
 
Gray Wolf vs. Snow Leopard  
 
Indian Elephant vs White Rhinoceros  
 
Tyrannosaurus Rex vs. Spinosaurus  
 
Andrewsarchus vs. Giant short faced Bear  
 
Smilodon Populator vs. American Lion  
 
Saltwater Crocodile vs Great White Shark - In 80 ft deep water 
 
Hippopotamus vs. Pacific Walrus - In 25 ft deep water  
 
Colossal Squid vs. Killer Whale  
 
Megalodon vs. Liopleurodon  
 
Basilosaurus vs. Prehistoric Sperm Whale  
 
Green Anaconda vs. Leatherback Sea turtle
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:59 PM by Zack
Zack, 
 
 
 
LOL... You must be on summer brake; too much time on your hands.  
 
 
 
If you are joking - Well Done! 
 
 
 
If you are serious - Leave the computer and go enjoy the great outdoors LOL... 
 
 
 
However,  
 
 
 
Cougar vs. Leopard - That is a good one; I'll go with the Cougar.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 2:39 PM by Ted
Ted, you have no clue of how much time I have on my hands. I live in British Colombia were it rains every second day. 
 
In my opinion. 
 
American Black bear vs. Pantanal Jaguar - I give this to the Jag; the Black bear is a shy creature that runs rather than fights. The jagaur is the opposite. Fierce, aggressive, and they don't care about danger. The Jagaur also fights more often to the death while black bears have been observed running from house cats. Jaguar 70%  
 
Speclatled bear vs. Mountian Gorilla - A large Speclatled bear can reach 400 lb, similar to a gorilla. Lb for lb bears are stronger and better armed than primates. bear 65% of the time.  
 
Silverback Gorilla vs. Mountain Lion - Though the Cougar is smaller it is more aggressive and better armed. It would be agile enough to avoid the Gorilla's attacks and than disambowl it with it's claws.  
 
Cougar vs. Leopard - Let's chose average weights I say leopard; they are equal in size but the leopard has more muscular limbs and sharper claws. On maximon weights the Cougar wins because of size advantage. It can reach 250 lb while a leopard is no greater than 200 lb.  
 
African Leopard vs. Spotted hyena - I say a leopard can handle a lone hyena, it's a bit larger and can use it's frontquarters in an offensive way. Hyena's ain't that brave without their pack.  
 
Wolverine vs. Mandrill - I would say wolverine though the mandrill can be larger the wolverine invented the world of vicious. He has razor sharp retractile clwas and makes use of it's jaws more often.  
 
Gray Wolf vs. Snow Leopard - Though the wolf can be 170 lb vs 150 lb for the Snow Leo. the leopard has razor sharp claws and is probably stronger.  
 
Indian Elephant vs White Rhinoceros - The rhino, the elephant isn't much larger. And most Asian elephants lack on tusks. Therefore the rhino is also better armed.  
 
Tyrannosaurus Rex vs. Spinosaurus -The Rex will win, though the Spino was larger the Rex was designed to take down large animals and was probabaly more aggressive.  
 
Andrewsarchus vs. Giant short faced bear - The GSFB was relatively slender compared to modern bears, the Andersarchus had massive jaws that could deliver killer injuries to any bear.  
 
Smilodon Populator vs. American Lion - the populator could have been 500 kg, similar to the lion. Only he was far more robust build and was better armed with huge fangs.  
 
Saltwater Crocodile vs Great White Shark - In 80 ft deep water - The Croc will win. It can keep it's breath up to for 2 hours. He's better armed and has many more efficient weapons with a much more powerful skeleton. And despite of oone would think, they can swim just as fast  
 
Hippopotamus vs. Pacific Walrus - In 25 ft deep water - Let's go with average weights because bull hippo's cannot swim. The walrus could manouver himself better but would struggle to deliver deep injuries in the thick hide of the hippo. A single bit with those one foot canines could crmple a walrus. Hippo wins.  
 
Colossal Squid vs. Killer Whale - The orca would win most of the time because it is faster, heavier and has massive jaws. However the squid has been known to fight sperm whales, so he will definately put up a great fight.  
 
Megalodon vs. Liopleurodon - the largest liopleurodon could have been 50 ft or more. The megalodon was an awesome predator. But like croc v shark the reptile is better armed and less vunerable. Liopleurodon wins. 
 
Basilosaurus vs. Prehistoric Sperm Whale - The basilosaurus had a relatively small mouth designed to catch small fish (like a ghavial).Prehistoric sperm whale could have been 90 ft which is larger than a Basilosaurus, it had thick skin and it's jaws were much larger. Whale wins.  
 
Green Anaconda vs. Leatherback Sea turtle - I cannot see an anaconda constict a 2000 lb turtle or not it's shell. turtles lave powerful jaws; a single bite could crimple the snake. Leatherback wins. 
 
I had a couple of hours on my hands. I was bored.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 6:08 PM by Zack
Zack,  
 
 
 
B.C. is beautiful! Where in B.C. are you? I live in Connecticut just outside of New York City. I drove through B.C. to Alaska. When you get the chance hit the Alcan HWY and go to Alaska. Hike Katmai & if you can afford it catch a short trip to Kodiak during Salmon runs. 
 
 
 
I picked the Cougar because of size. If they way the same then I have no clue.  
 
 
 
Take care, 
 
Ted
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 6:20 PM by Ted
I live in Abbotsfort, just a drive away from Vancouver. Right on the US border.  
 
And yes cougars are larger, but not from the panthera family, this is because they evolved from lynx, and scream rather than roar.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 04, 2010 6:57 PM by Zack
Quote from Dark_Wolfxoxo: 
 
Well this is a 50/50 chance. Bears do have the advantage of claws, teeth and bulk. They have very powerful bite and can leave damaging blows with their claws. But they arent cougars. They cant leap onto its back easily, making an easy win. Now bulls have their fair share of weapons as well. Their horns are VERY powerful. They are tremendously fast as well. Bulls' neck are made entirely of muscle, therefore a charge could probably break many bones in the bear, leaving it weak. And bulls dont attack then leave. If a bull got the bear on the ground, it would without a doubt, keep attacking it and goring it until it died. Bulls arent easily intimidated (if at all) and would probably charge first. So it could go either way.  
 
I agree with this person 100%. Anyone who thinks a bull is an easy kill to a grizzly bear is a complete idiot. The bull is bugger, faster, stronger, more aggresive and more muscled than the bear. We cannot understimate the bovids because they do not hunt for food. Most are still very aggresive such as the cape buff, gaur, and bull. The grizzly cannot crush the skull of a bull, bison or buffalo. They can do this to a horse, cow or moose. But bovines are SO much stronger than equines, cow or deer. The grizzly can wrestle the bull down but this will add with huge risks, such as being goored to the death or trampled by a Ton of muscle. Therefor here is the conclusion: 
 
Bull vs Grizzly - 50 50 chance each 
 
Bison vs Grizzly - 45 55 to the Bear, although the bispn is bigger than a bul it is less aggresive and poorly armed with blund horns. Therefor bear wins 
 
Cape or Water Buffalo vs Grizzly - 65 35 to the buff, Buffalos heave the strenght of a bison with the aggression of a bull. This will overwelm a bear. 
 
Gaur vs Grizzly - 75 25 to the Gaur.
Posted @ Sunday, August 08, 2010 11:34 AM by Zack
Bull kills bear many times: 
 
 
 
Panthera the Bull Defeats the Bear Ramadan (also spelled Ramidan, Ramdan, Ramadam, etc...) And the 'man-eating' Lion Parnell in a battle to the end. 
 
 
 
In 1894, Edgar Daniel Boone endeavored to pit one of his less manageable Lions, Parnell, in contest against a Bear named Siskiyou at the San Francisco Midwinter Fair, but when Society for the Preventions of Cruelty to Animals realized his plot, they threatened Boone with legal action, and took possession of his arena. The original fight was canceled. (Salem Daily News, April 16, 1984. The Fight Prevented. Fresno Bee, April 29, 1894.) In 1895, Boone took his violent aspiration to Mexico, and hosted one of the most elaborate and well documented animal battles of his time. 
 
 
 
The events described in this documentary were Published In: 
 
 
 
Oakland Tribune, April 1, 1895 (A Draw Parnell Fights A Bear) 
 
Oakland Tribune, April 15, 1985 (Bull Vs. Bear) 
 
Fort Wayne Sentinel, April 15, 1895 (Bull And Bear Fight) 
 
The Cedar Rapids Evening Gazette, April 16, 1895 (Grizzly And Mexican Bull) 
 
Los Angeles Times, April 16, 1895 (Leo And Bruin) 
 
Hornellsville Weekly Tribune, May 5, 1895 (Beasts In The Arena) 
 
The Fort Wayne News, May 6, 1895 (Brutal Sport) 
 
Evening Times, July 6, 1895 (Killed Old Parnell) 
 
Imagery was attained via the internet, for illustrative purposes. 
 
The pictures seen here are not factual representations of either the conditions or creatures in the actual event. 
 
Bears do not have the killing insincts and predator skill of a big cat in order to kill a large bovids. Over rated grizzly, the largest animal it can regularly take is a moose or cow. Bulls, Buffs and Gaurs are simply to powerful.
Posted @ Sunday, August 08, 2010 2:25 PM by Zack
el oso kodiak gana es un depredador 
 
carnivoro el toro o bisonte es un hervivoro los osos kodiak llegan a 1000 kilos el oso mata al toro
Posted @ Monday, August 09, 2010 2:36 PM by carlos
los osos kodiak miden mas de 3 metros de un zarpazo le rompe el cuello al toro tiene 4 colmillos potentes
Posted @ Monday, August 09, 2010 2:40 PM by carlos
Carlos, Ive translated your text, and no a Kodiak is not 1000 kg, the biggest was 818 kg. And it can break the neck of a horse, moose or cow. But not a Bison or buff. They are to durable and have to strong skulls. That is just how bovids are build. 
 
 
 
Bull kills bear many times:  
 
 
 
Panthera the Bull Defeats the Bear Ramadan (also spelled Ramidan, Ramdan, Ramadam, etc...) And the 'man-eating' Lion Parnell in a battle to the end.  
 
 
 
In 1894, Edgar Daniel Boone endeavored to pit one of his less manageable Lions, Parnell, in contest against a Bear named Siskiyou at the San Francisco Midwinter Fair, but when Society for the Preventions of Cruelty to Animals realized his plot, they threatened Boone with legal action, and took possession of his arena. The original fight was canceled. (Salem Daily News, April 16, 1984. The Fight Prevented. Fresno Bee, April 29, 1894.) In 1895, Boone took his violent aspiration to Mexico, and hosted one of the most elaborate and well documented animal battles of his time.  
 
 
 
The events described in this documentary were Published In:  
 
 
 
Oakland Tribune, April 1, 1895 (A Draw Parnell Fights A Bear)  
 
 
 
Oakland Tribune, April 15, 1985 (Bull Vs. Bear)  
 
 
 
Fort Wayne Sentinel, April 15, 1895 (Bull And Bear Fight)  
 
 
 
The Cedar Rapids Evening Gazette, April 16, 1895 (Grizzly And Mexican Bull)  
 
 
 
Los Angeles Times, April 16, 1895 (Leo And Bruin)  
 
 
 
Hornellsville Weekly Tribune, May 5, 1895 (Beasts In The Arena)  
 
 
 
The Fort Wayne News, May 6, 1895 (Brutal Sport)  
 
 
 
Evening Times, July 6, 1895 (Killed Old Parnell)  
 
 
 
Imagery was attained via the internet, for illustrative purposes.  
 
 
 
The pictures seen here are not factual representations of either the conditions or creatures in the actual event.  
 
 
 
Bears do not have the killing insincts and predator skill of a big cat in order to kill a large bovids. Over rated grizzly, the largest animal it can regularly take is a moose or cow. Bulls, Buffs and Gaurs are simply to powerful.
Posted @ Monday, August 09, 2010 6:52 PM by Zack
Zack,  
 
 
 
Wrong! A Kodiak CAN brake the the SPINE of a Bison, Buffalo. 
 
 
 
They (Kodiaks) CAN reach 1,400-1,500bs.
Posted @ Monday, August 09, 2010 10:43 PM by Zack,
Toby, (yes I know it's you). Why did you use my name for your comment? That's going very low. 
 
And no, a Brown bear can break the back of a horse, moose or cow. But not a Buffalo or Gaur. Large bovids are to strong and durable to be killed this way. A grizzly kills a bison extremely rarely, by grabbing it's head and wrestling it down. How is it possible for a 1000 lb animal to kill a 2000 lb animal in one blow, if the larger animal is every bit stronger? 
 
You are over rating the bears strenght. Big bovids are stronger than brown bears. Yes a Buffalo, Bison, Bull, or Gaur are stronger than a Grizzly.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 10, 2010 3:00 PM by Zack
The Californians of the late 19th century staged well-documented pit fights with grizzlies and spanish bulls. The grizzlies, using their paw as a club, shattered the unfortunate bull's skull or shoulder bones so easily that the betting became poor. 
 
 
 
Eventually, and at considerable cost, African lions were brought in to raise the stakes. The most fierce of the adult males was sent in whilst the grizzly was already waiting in the pits. The lion was known for bravely charging straight in and looked good for the money, but the grizzly killed a male lion almost as easily as he'd killed the bull. 
 
 
 
 
 
so i copied and pasted this from a reliable source, this is enough evidence to over throw this ruling of a bull beating the bear. the fact is people encounter bulls all the time in bull fights and the running of the bull and the bull and we are able to get out of the way and even kill the bull. now when people encounter bears its simple we either back down or die. if people can get out of the way of those horns and kill the bull than a bear surely could too, they are more agile and way stronger than you think, and could easily rip the bull apart.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:26 AM by larry
@zack, great whites attack from below in alot less water than 80 feet, where is the croc most vulerable? below on the belly right where the shark would attack, so how could you say the croc would win? infact animal planet did this on a show and the shark won no problem. and crocs are fast but not as fast and agile as a great white, white sharks live in cold water so the only way this could happen is if a salty was in cold water which render him useless because he is cold blooded while the great white is warm blooded which gives him the power to move very fast in cold water. the croc would not stand a chance!
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:39 AM by larry
On a tv documentary, I watched an inland grizzly kill a large caraibou in a face-off. The much bigger carabou, with massive antlers, charged the grizzly. The bear easily avoided the antlers and, with brute force and fighting ability, easily killed the larger stronger ungulate. Any boar brown bear 600 plus pounds can kill any ungulate.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:56 PM by Toby
Larry, Liarweb is no reliable source. Infact I've read somewhere that Bull's dominated bear's on a better source: 
 
http://carnivoraforum.com/index.cgi?board=interspecific&action=display&thread=5411&page=2 
 
http://books.google.com/books?id=Qutxjqc0vLwC&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&dq=walruses+have+killed+polar+bears&source=bl&ots=M0_kXwf4Oo&sig=EfuHbeqkeKm3eUV-BwFU_cUCRxA&hl=en&ei=Es2ASu71A4niMOayuaUL&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7#v=onepage&q=horse&f=false 
 
California Grizzly stated that real grizzlies easily defeated donkeys. Donkeys could often put up decent defences against small black bears (with powerful kicks). 
 
Black bears were pitted against donkeys, not against bulls. 
 
 
 
Under the Spanish, bears apparently won the majority. After the Americans took over, as time went on the advantage went to the bull more and more until the point that Americans thought bear vs bull was a mismatch. At this point they began doing bear vs donkey pit fights instead (and at this point it was also almost always a black bear that was called a grizzly instead of a grizzly). 
 
And Toby, lb for lb Bovids are much stronger than deer. That is common knowledge. And do you have any evidence upon this encounter?
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:12 PM by Zack
Larry,  
 
A salwater crocodile will beaqt a Great white. For beginners a Crocodile can swim just as fast as a Shark! Both can go at 24 mph. And crocodiles are cold blooded, but they do not tire quickly. They swim 15 to 18 miles every day! And they can hold they're breath for more than 2 hours. They are also very smart, learning faster than lab rats. It will not let the shark bite it's under belly. 
 
Remember a crocodile is also better armed. They have spiked skin while the shark is least protected. They're bite force is much higher. And also, while the sharks only weapon is it's head. The croc has 3 weapons: 
 
-Jaws 
 
-Claws (if it got close enough) 
 
-Tail (to deliver blows)
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:20 PM by Zack
21st century land-based mega-beats: 
 
elephants, rhinos, hippos, and the gaur. There are only 2 mega-carnivores are: polar bear and brown bear. 
 
Tigers have been known to hunt gaurs. They will always go after a cow or a calf. But, as often as not, a bull will defend his herd. In these encounters, the gaur usually wins. 
 
The brown bear is much stronger than a tiger. He can easily avoid those horns. The brown bear is not only the strongest carnivore, but he has greater stamina and better ballance than any big cat. He is also much smarter than any cat. The gaur is ( as I love animals I don't want to say stupid ) but cattle are not known for their intelligence. The bear has brute strength and knows how to use it. He is a wrestler. The gaur's neck is NOT unbreakable.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:30 PM by Toby
Toby, it is not possible for an animal to break anothers neck in one blow, if the bovine is 3x larger and stronger in every way. 
 
And a Grizzly has more girth than a tiger, and it a lot less agile. Meaning that if a tiger cannot avoid being gored by a Gaur, a bear can never. 
 
And the bear is strong, of course you do realize the Gaur is much stronger? 
 
And a cat is one of the most intelligent creatures on earth, just below octopus, elephant, and sheep. 
 
Super predators: 
 
Tiger 
 
Lion 
 
Polar bear 
 
End of the list... A Grizzly is no carnivore, he is an omnivore.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:43 PM by Zack
I did not say anything about the brown bear would break the gaur's neck with one blow. The bear is indeed a hard hitter. Those hits will do considerable damage. But, the bear is also a wrestler. Bears are incredibly smart. A big brown bear can twist a bull's neck until it snaps.  
 
IF a 300 pound inland grizzly can easily avoid the antlers of a 700 pound carribou and easily kill it, then a 600 plus pound brown bear can just as easily avoid the horns of a heavily muscled gaur and kill it.  
 
Carivora Zack...has nothing to do with diet. The brown bear is a carnivore...THE ULTIMATE CARNIVORE. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:52 PM by Toby
Among the mammals, only the great apes and the whales and dolphins are smarter than bears. Elephants rank as equally intelligent with bears. 
 
Bovines are smart enough to eat grass and run head-down towards anything they think might be a threat. That is about all the thinking that a bovine does.  
 
The larger bovines, such as the bison, gaur, water buffalo, or Cape buffalo, are stronger than a brown bear. So what? The bear is still strong enough to break cow bones.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:51 PM by Toby
Toby, a Grizzly cannot break a Gaur's neck if it moves, not on this earth in common sense is that possible. My brother is bigger and stronger than I am, it's not possible for me to snap his neck; not possible outside of your fantasy world, toby. 
 
The only way a bear could kill the Gaur is if it got a bite in the neck, similar to how the tiger kills it. But this is only likely happen if the Gaur was asleep.A grizzly is not the ultimate carnivore, that title goes to the Wolverine, in terms of size, the Elephant Seal 
 
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:43 PM by Zack
The average brown bear is 607.5 pounds. He is easily strong enough to break bones. He can easily kill a wolverine or an elephant seal ( on land ). There is no living carnivore that can stand up to him. That is why the brown bear is the ultimate carnivore.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 18, 2010 3:55 AM by Toby
On land the brown bear can kill a seal on land, the seal will beat the bear in deep water. So to keep it fair, we go with shallow water. 
 
An Elephant seal is to big for a bear to kill, you do know that these mosters are 4 ton on occasion. 
 
A walrus is also to poweful, they kill polar bear with those tusks. 
 
A polar bear is a good 100 lb heavier than an average Brown bear. That is enough size advantage to give it the win. In fights between same species, size is the most important. 
 
A tiger being the ultimate predator, will encircle the bear untill it saw an opertunity from behind and leap on it's back. 
 
Grizzly bears run in the mountains when they see a wolverine. 
 
A grizzly cannot hurt a Gaur in a swipe. That is not possible, the grizzly is NOT Superman
Posted @ Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:46 PM by Zack
Toby, out of curiosity who will win a Honey badger or Grizzly bear (AT THE SAME WEIGHT)
Posted @ Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:50 PM by Zack
The elephant seal is big, but slow and awkward on land. He is big, but not indestructable. The brown bear can kill him. Polar bears kill walruses. So could a brown bear. The polar bear is slightly bigger than a brown bear, but not as strong nor as aggressive. Brown bear wins. The tiger is an easy kill for a brown bear in a face-off. Perhaps the brown bear will not kill ther gaur with just one hit. But, why stop with just one? Once the gaur is knocked down with multiple injuries, the brown bear will maull the gaur like a leopard on a sheep. 
 
A 607.5 pound honey badger? IF some mad insane scientist created this monster ( cousin to the wolverine ) the brown bear would be physically stonger. The badger would be much more aggressive. The badger would likely win, but would not walk away without injuries.  
 
 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:56 PM by Toby
Toby, can you prowve that a 607 lb Brown bear is stronger than a 700 lb Grizzly? 
 
And no, a Grizzly cannot do much damage on a Gaur with swipes, and will a Gaur stand there, doing nothing? IF a Grizzly was close enough to hit, he will be rammed and run over by a train with horns. 
 
And lb for lb, how can you prove a Bear is stronger than a Badger? Any evidence 
 
Toby, A bear is NOT HULK OR SUPERMAN
Posted @ Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:27 PM by Zack
What the frock!?! 
 
Ursus arctos / brown bear / grizzly. 607.5 pounds is ( according to Professor Damon, the average of all subspecies of brown bear boar.  
 
Ursus arctos is pound for pound the strongest carnivore. If you do not believe that, do your own research.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:39 PM by Toby
Let's get back to Bull vs Bear. Zack's choice of bull is the bull gaur. Rare specimen's can weigh as much as 3,000 pounds. This is why the gaur is listed as a mega-beast. But, the gaur is still made out of flesh, blood, and bone. 
 
The average bull gaur is about 2,000 pounds. Still a very large powerful bovine. 
 
The average brown bear boar is 607.5 pounds. Also a mega-beast. That hump on the shoulders of this bear is rock-hard solid muscle. He has incredible strength in his arms, neck, shoulders, and back. Enough strength to break bones. His 5 inche claws can easily rip flesh and spill blood. 
 
What did I say the gaur is made of? Oh yes! Flesh, blood, and bones.  
 
The 2,000 pound gaur is obviously even stronger than the bear. But, what can he do with this strength? This is not a tug-o-war with ropes and harness.  
 
The bull can charge straight at his opponent with his head down. Brown bears have no trouble dodging charging carribou, elk, or moose. Why should he have trouble dodging a bull? 
 
The brown bear is a very smart fighter. The gaur is rather dull. The bull knows only one defence; Put your head down and run at your opponent. 
 
The brown bear easily dodges each attack, until the gaur is winded and breathing heavily. Then the brown bear, using his incredible strength, wrestles the gaur to the ground, all the while slashing and bitting and spilling bovine blood.  
 
If a brown bear can kill a moose, he can kill a gaur. Both are flesh, blood, and bone.
Posted @ Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:47 AM by Toby
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MTIgrg97PE
Posted @ Thursday, August 19, 2010 11:02 AM by Toby
Toby, I do research, the strongest animals for their size are: 
 
http://scienceray.com/biology/top-10-strongest-animals-compared-to-body-weight/ 
 
Grizzly: P 10 
 
Gorilla: P 8 
 
Tiger: P 5 
 
Isects, beetles, spiders: P 1 
 
Toby, the grizzly bear cannot do a lot of mayor damage to the Gaur with claws. They are non-retractile, digging tools, not killing tools. 
 
And a Gaur is much stronger than a Moose, dubble the weight and far more powerful, muscular and stronger. If a grizzly tried to grab the Gaurs head he will be tossed up 15 ft in the air. 
 
And yes a Gaur is bone, flesh and meat. But the grizzly isn't Iron man, also he is made out of the same material. Only a much smaller and weaker chomp. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdTdp7Ep6AM 
 
It takes the bear about 5 minutes to tackle the Cariblou, she has to tackle it because she isn't strong enough to crush it's skull (or maybe not smart enough) 
 
The Caribou was maybe twice the size. The Gaur is three times the size of a Brown bear. And bovids are lb for lb stronger than deer, and have sharper horns. 
 
A Gaur is far to formidable for the Bear. 
 
Gaur = Hulk, Superman 
 
Grizzly = Reckdoll, Child
Posted @ Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:26 PM by Zack
Perception. Learn to see what you are looking at. That was a she bear, about half the strength of a boar. Her objective was merely to drive the carribou away from her cubs. But, being a not-too-bright ungulate, the carribou stayed and ended up as dinner. Notice also that she was able to avoid those antlers. Brown bears often possition themselves between the horns or antlers, rendering them useless.  
 
Also note, that it is not so much the claws that do damage to it's opponent, as it is the force of the blows. Like huge sledge hammers. Also, quite often, a bite to the neck.
Posted @ Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:44 PM by Toby
Toby there is more difference between a caribou and a Gaur than a Male or female grizzly.  
 
And a Gaur has horns that are much closer to one another than a Caribou. They point toward the enemy. They are designed to fight, not to impress female caribou. They are also sharp, not blund like a deers. 
 
And also, It isnot possible for an animal to disambowle the other in one blow, if that other animal is 3 times larger, and every bit stronger physicaly. That is not possible, stop reading superman comic books. 
 
And no way a grizzly could bite a Gaur in the neck. It's isn't agile enough to do this without getting trampled and gored. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:54 PM by Zack
Zack. Where did I say anything about ONE BLOW or DISEMBOWELING? You are constantly adding your imagination to what I say.  
 
The antlers of deer are sharp. The brown bear can see very well. He can see the bull's horns, and he knows what he can and cannot do. This is where INTELLIGENCE plays into a face-off. Something your gaur lacks considerably. 
 
The brown bear has the strength to break bones and tear flesh. The bear is a wrestler. He can topple the gaur and put him onto the ground.  
 
I will admit that this would be a vicious fight. Anything above a 3,000 pound gaur would likely be the brown bear's limit. The gaur is a mega-beast.
Posted @ Thursday, August 19, 2010 6:48 PM by Toby
nature.ca/notebooks/english/gaur.htm
Posted @ Thursday, August 19, 2010 7:26 PM by Toby
Toby, the antlers of a Caribou aren't sharp, or vicious weapons. They are blund, designed to impress female caribou. The Gaur's horns are much closer to one another. Much stronger, made out of solid bone and are sharper. There is no way a grizzly bear's girth can be placed in these horns. If a Gaur charges, good night Grizzly (who isn't agile enough to get out of the way) 
 
And yes a Bear is strong (already mention hunderds of time by the clown). Of course you know that a Gaur is every bit stronger. If a Bear can break bone, a Gaur can destroy bone. A grizzly cannot wrestle an animal that is physicaly stronger than itself and also faster. You must remember that the Gaur also has atleast equal weapons. Not only they're 3 ft horns. But those deadly kicks that can break the Bear's jaws, or crush it's skull. Those heels are made from SOLID IRON. 
 
And Toby, don't you think that the Giraffe is a megabeast? 18 ft - 3,500 lbs
Posted @ Friday, August 20, 2010 10:33 AM by Zack
Zack. clearly you took very little time to read my last post. The brown bear is a thinker. Now, most people on this site insist that intelligence plays no role in a fight. I know better. 
 
The brown bear can see those horns. He can judge the space between the horns. He can size-up his adversary. The brown bear does not fight every fight identical. 
 
The brown bear is strong. The gaur is stronger ( as you keep saying over and over and over ). But, the bear is much much smarter. The gaur knows only one way to fight. Put your head down and run in a straight line towards your opponent. The brown bear can easily avoid those horns. After a few futile attempts, the bear wrestles the winded gaur to the ground. It doesn't matter that the gaur is three times the weight of the bear. It doesn't matter that the gaur is stronger than the bear. What can he do with this strength? The bear can break bones and rip flesh. The gaur, for all his power, is not made of iron. Bears can do considerable damage to flesh and bone.  
 
In the Mexican bullfights, a bull often stops after a run at the matador and pauses, relaxed, until he happens to spot the matador again. Some experts believe that the bull actually forgets why he was running.
Posted @ Friday, August 20, 2010 11:15 AM by Toby
www.daretoshare.co.uk/2009/01/17/bear-v-lion-who-would-win/
Posted @ Friday, August 20, 2010 11:18 AM by Toby
Toby, I've given you a link toward Gaur's intelligence, they aren't stupid animals of what you think. An of course, you know that bear's are short-sighted. He will be confused by the wavy sight of a Giant monstrous animal like a Gaur, or it's horns. 
 
Will albert einstein kill hulk hogan in a fight, after all it's smarter, right? 
 
And toby, an Elephant is made out of flesh and bone - will a grizzly 'easily' kill an Elephant? no way. 
 
A Gaur is bigger, stronger, faster, more aggressive and durable than the Bear. He is the winner. Nothing the bear can do with intelligence. Albert Einstein would beat Hulk hogan in a fight with his intelligence.
Posted @ Friday, August 20, 2010 3:25 PM by Zack
The myth that bears have poor vision has been proven wrong. They see as well as people and in color. Their night vision is equal to that of a canine.  
 
No, a brown bear would be unable to overpower an elephant. But, if a brown bear took a swipe at an elephant, YES the elephant would bleed...then kill the bear.
Posted @ Friday, August 20, 2010 6:53 PM by Toby
www.myspace.com/539693522
Posted @ Friday, August 20, 2010 6:54 PM by Toby
I was looking at pictures of gaurs. I have one posted on myspace. Yes, they are massive. Yes, a gaur has massive shoulders. But, the gaur's neck is no bigger than a regular bulls. Very breakable by brown bear standards. The 600+ pound brown bear would win this fight at least 50% of the fights.
Posted @ Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:23 AM by Toby
When I compare the gaur to the American bison ( I am very perceptive ) I see that the bison has a much bigger more powerful neck. California grizzly's have been known to break the neck of the bison. 
 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FajxF17
Posted @ Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:55 AM by Toby
Toby, those California stories aren't real. I've shown you links were they said cougars destroyed bears all the time. That doesn't make sense. 
 
And no, it isn't possible to kill something 3 times your size in blows, you need jaws & claws to do this. The biggest animal a Brown bear can break a neck of is a moose, which is nowhere near as strong as a Gaur. Grizzlies are very weak compared to a Gaur. Nothing but a reckdoll. 
 
A Gaur is twice as strong as a grizzly, easily. Even though three times heavier, as size increases lb for lb strenght decreases. 
 
And a bear cannot make an Elephant bleed. Never, if it moves. Lions claws & teeth are useless against an Elephant, and they are sharper than those from a Bear. 
 
Toby, bears have poor compared to human vision: 
 
http://bearinfo.blogspot.com/2008/12/bear-vision.html 
 
Bear = Man without his percription glasses
Posted @ Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:35 PM by Zack
Yes, as I have not argued that the gaur is stronger than the brown bear. So is a moose. Brown bears can wrestle down a moose or, if it is a big enough bear ( 600+ pounds ) it can wrestle down a bison.  
 
The stories of the California bison are not only from the Spanish Californians. Also from American pioneers and Indians. These bears hunted bison, although more often just taking the fresh meat from wolf packs ( something a tiger cannot do ). But, the bull bisons are protective of their herds. These grizzlys ( the size of coastal bears ) have been witnessed killing bison. And yes, the bison has a bigger stronger neck than a gaur.  
 
IF a brown bear were to slash at an elephants side with it's 5 inche claws, and the force of the bear's arm ( much more force than any big cat can administer ) yes, I believe the elephant would bleed. Although, this scratch would merely infuriate the elephant. 
 
Bears eyesite: 
 
www.wildlifenews.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wildlife_news.view_article&articles_id=135
Posted @ Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:54 PM by Toby
Actually, I would think that the neck of a moose is every bit as strong as the neck of a gaur. Take a close look at your gaur. He appears to have an undersized head attached to a scrawny neck.  
 
I believe that an American bison is likely a stronger bovine than your gaur. A bison's neck and shoulders are huge. His head is massive with a very thick skull.
Posted @ Saturday, August 21, 2010 1:39 PM by Toby
A Gaur is stronger than a Moose, bear or Bison. Yes his shoulder muscles are hug 
 
And Indians also said no Bear was a match to a Cougar, something you haven't argued with. We cannot rely on these stories. Jezus made dead come back alive, would you take that word for word? I hope not, even though so many witnesses. 
 
A bison has a large skull that is not particulary thick, the skull of a Gaur is like a helmet, nearly industructable by an animal one third it's size. 
 
And about eBear vision, it's like a man with lost glasses. He can still see well. Just not as good as a human. -3 or something, which is like me (I have percription contacts). He can see somewhat 'well' But not like the awesome sense of vision of that from a cat. 
 
African Elephant = 10,000 lb 
 
Grizzly bear = 600 lb 
 
I am 120 lb, no way my 7 lb weasel can make me bleed, or do mayor damage. Weasels have sharper claws than bears and are lb for lb every bit as strong. Meanwhile Elephants are lb for lb probably more durable than humans. 
 
Toby, you are a joke to believe that a blow from a little grizzly will make an elephant bleed. That is not possible, you have no idea how much you overrate the bear's abilities. 
 
I believe Gaur-Brown bear conflicts will be similar to tigers and lions with large bovids. A grizzly will very rarely take such a formidable animal (being mainly herbivore). But if it did. It COULD kill it for food by ambush. Could it die while trying? YES
Posted @ Saturday, August 21, 2010 4:21 PM by Zack
www.all-creatures.org/bear/b-bearsenses.html  
 
Before you type, research. An elephant can kill any terrestrial anamal, including lions and tigers and bears. But yes, an elephant can bleed.  
 
This site is bull vs Bear. I will not talk further about elephants to someone who believes they are made of iron. And yes, a weasel can indeed make you bleed. I have been bitten by a ferret before. their little teeth are very sharp. 
 
You are correct. A bear ( as well as a lion or tiger ) will not target a bull gaur. That would be stupid. But, if a predator goes after a cow or a calf, quite often the bull will attack.  
 
So tell us genious, exactly how thick is the skull of a bison? 
 
Posted @ Saturday, August 21, 2010 4:42 PM by Toby
Toby, the skull of a Bison is no thicker than that from a Gaur, that is my word. Of the two bivids, the Gaur is the bigger, stronger, and more aggressive one. 
 
And no I've never said an Elephant is made from iron, but their hide is very thick. Too thick for lions, tigers, or bears. 
 
Yes, a 7 lbs weasel can made me bleed, not fataly though. but it's teeth & claws are much shraper than those of a Bear. And an Elephant has a thicker hide than a human, lb for lb. 
 
An animal like a Great white could make an Elephant bleed, but a Grizzly, really? 
 
A Grizzly cannot kill a Gaur head on head. Just because it isn't a predator doesn't make it a pushover. Is that what Toby believes?
Posted @ Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:06 PM by Zack
A number of times you have mentioned that the brown bear is not a super beast. Yet, you insist that the gaur is indestructable. 
 
The brown bear is incredibly strong. they can overturn boulders weighing a ton. They have been known to rip their way into automobiles where there is food.  
 
Yet, because the gaur is a huge and very powerful bovine, bigger even than a bison, I believe that the gaur might win 50% of these confrontations.  
 
But, the gaur is not indestructable. While they are the biggest and maybe the strongest of bovines, they do not have the biggest and strongest necks and heads. The horns do not cover their skulls as in the Cape buffalo and musk ox either. 
 
The musk ox has a huge head and neck, with a totally protected set of helmet-like horns. Yet, a brown bear can kill a musk ox.
Posted @ Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:52 AM by Toby
Mega-Beast = An animal of giant proportions that dwarfs what we percieve as the regular wildlife; a beast of great power and physical proportions. 
 
There are only 5 terrestrial mega-beasts living in modern times. These include three herbivores which are the elephants, hippos, and rhinos. Also included are two carnivores, the polar bear and the brown bear. The prehistoric bear called Arctodus simus ( the short-faced bear ) is also considered a mega-beast. But, polar bears and brown bears are actually even bigger than those giants of the past.  
 
I had thought that the gaur, along with perhaps the bison and the buffalos might also be included. But, compared to the herbivore mega-beasts mentioned above... No.
Posted @ Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:12 AM by Toby
I was finally able to prove a point that I have been trying to prove ever since I entered this blog site. At equal body length, a brown bear is nearly double the weight of a lion or a tiger. A big cat with a body length of 6 feet weighs roughly 420 pounds. A brown bear of same body length weighs roughly 800 pounds. From now on, at this blog site, Brutus is my grizzly. Your gaur is ready for my frying pan.
Posted @ Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:16 AM by Toby
To see the full dimentions of Brutus, you must explore this site. But know that Brutus is 22 inches shorter than Bart, the Kodiak bear, and 700 pounds lighter. Brutus is not a giant. He is a normal grizzly. 
 
scienceblogs.com/observations/2009/04/i-wish-my-best-friend-were-as-cool-as-brutus.php
Posted @ Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:58 PM by Toby
5 more days before back to school. I'm busy getting ready for grade 10, so no more posting on this site I gues. 
 
And one more thing to Toby before I go. Lb for lb; Bovids, Bears, and Cats are equal in streght. Not possible for an animal to be any or much stronger than one another with similar muscle fibres and mass, combines with equal bone density. Cats have stronger hind quarters than bears, while bears have stornger forquarters. Bovids are packed with muscle in their mid section and shoulders. Overall they are lb for lb equal in strenght. 
 
It's called science for starters, something Toby needs. 
 
Bey anyway
Posted @ Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:21 PM by Zack
Toby, one mroe thing. I have never said an Elephant is made from iron, it's hide of muscle, skin and fat is simply too thick.  
 
A large 20 ft Great white could kill an Elephant by blood loss. A large 20 ft Crocodile could break an Elephants leg bones. But bears are to weak to do this.
Posted @ Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:26 PM by Zack
IF you will explore that last site I posted, you will meet Brutus. He is a grizzly. Brutus is 44 inches at shoulder height and 6 feet long. the average lion is 4 feet at shoulder height and 6 feet long. They are pretty much the same size, except that Brutus weighs 800 pounds while the lion weighs 420 pounds. Why? Because the grizzly is a much more robust carnivore. The grizzly has heavier stronger bones, more muscle, and yes more fat. There is simply more carnivore there. 
 
Brutus could break the neck of your gaur in 50% of their fights. The gaur is, after all, an awesome antagonist.
Posted @ Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:45 PM by Toby
Toby, 44 inches equal 3 ft 8. An average tiger is only 3 ft at the shoulder while beign 6 ft tall. ^ ft long tigers can weight 600 lb desptite being shorter. 
 
A 3 ft tall bear would weight roughly 490 lb. 
 
A 3 ft tall tiger would weight 600 lb 
 
Tiger = Longer 
 
Bear = Taller 
 
Strenght = Equal 
 
For full info go to the tiger vs grizzly page, read 'Deivids' comment (mines)
Posted @ Monday, August 23, 2010 12:59 PM by Zack
As for Gaur vs Bear I reckon a stalemate. 
 
Happy? Now let's leave the page.
Posted @ Monday, August 23, 2010 1:01 PM by Zack
I agree Zack. That is why I said the grizzly might win 50% of the fights. The California grizzly was HUGE, like a Kodiak bear. The Yellowstone grizzlys have ( as you have said ) never been known to kill an adult bison. It would take a huge bear to kill a gaur or a bison.
Posted @ Monday, August 23, 2010 4:34 PM by Toby
In today's world, the inland grizzlys are smaller than those living along the coast. Reason: the coastal bears get more protein and fat from the salmon. But, before and during the mid-1800's, the California grizzly was as big as a Kodiak bear! Reason: There were millions of bison on the prairie. These bears ate bison! 
 
After the bison were exterminated in the GREAT BISON HOLOCAUST by Euro-Americans, the grizzlys began to hunt domestic cattle. For this reason, the California grizzly was exterminated ( mass murder ).  
 
The Spanish-Californians had arena beast-fights for sport. It was normally Bear vs Bull. These huge Spanish bulls were massive. Yet, the grizzly killed the bull in more than 90% of these fights.  
 
One-on-one, the lion kills the Cape buffalo bull in less than 50% of the fights. One-on-one, the Bengal tiger kills the bull gaur less than 50% of the time.
Posted @ Sunday, September 05, 2010 8:55 AM by Toby
<a>why is this even a question?
Posted @ Friday, September 10, 2010 9:02 PM by 99
best sh$t ever
Posted @ Monday, September 13, 2010 7:50 AM by kevondrae
http://www.tvlesson.com/video/18847_measuring-the-strength-of-a-grizzly-bear.html
Posted @ Monday, September 20, 2010 7:13 AM by Toby
Bears are too slow and too fat to even put up a fight.
Posted @ Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:05 PM by Zack
look at the bulls power  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ykIVoPHbYA
Posted @ Friday, September 24, 2010 8:54 PM by chee
People seem to assume that weight and size is everything. Some of you don't have any say in this as you have already posted stupid things, and for some reason other animals are making there way into this argument.  
Grizzly Bears have taken down Bison weighing the same as Bulls with as little as a swat to the head. They do take them on head to head as well with much more agile ungulates like Elk and Moose. They have chased down deer, and have killed 1 ton horses as well.  
 
Bears were always caged with Lions, Tigers, multiple dogs, and Bulls back in the 1800s and never once did a Grizzly loose. In Europe they would sometimes take out the bears eyes and claws and although the Bear would die of its injuries in these cases it still killed the other animal to.  
Posted @ Wednesday, October 06, 2010 3:17 AM by Justin
I'm with the bull mainly because it can charge the bear and knock it over easily with its own weight. After that with the bear stunned or on the ground, the bull can just gore it with its horns (if it hasn't already on impact somehow) then prance on top of the bear crushing its bones and what not. Bulls are much stronger than you think people. Especially when they're aggravated
Posted @ Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:28 PM by Chance
Lion vs Tiger vs Brown Bear at: ultimatecarnivore.yuku.com
Posted @ Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:57 AM by BrotherBear
Sorry 'bout that... 
 
ultimatecarnivoran.yuku.com
Posted @ Saturday, November 20, 2010 3:31 AM by BrotherBear
The bear is a predator, but only adapted to the level necessary to survive. Brown bears don't have to eat large, adult, ungulates that are not disadvantaged, but a bull has to defend itself, and fight equally large bulls for mates. The bear can't take a bull on flat ground, and in the open, the bull is on its home court. The bull is all front end, and spins amazingly quick. The only hope for the bear is to get at the softer, thinner parts of the flank. And the bull isn't going to let him. A bear cannot reach around the massive horns, head, and shoulders to do any damage. And the bull is designed to take an attack on the head, far more than a bear can deliver. IN a fair fight, the bull takes the first round, and will be relentless until the bear is hamburger. Bull wins.
Posted @ Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:10 PM by The bear is a coward
Brown bears do not hunt really large ungulates. Bears are highly intelligent omnivorous carnivores. Brown bears get most of their red meat by taking it from other preators. But, if a bull attacks the bear, brown bears are experts at dodging horns and antlers. Dispite his bulk, the brown bear is fast and quick. A large brown bear ( 700+ pounds ) could kill a big bull in most fights. ( my opinion ). 
 
Who is the ultimate terrestrial carnivore? Is it the lion, the tiger, or the great brown bear? 
 
ultimatecarnivoran.yuku.com
Posted @ Monday, November 22, 2010 4:29 AM by BrotherBear
People, I'm a wild life veternarian and trust me...the bear would would have a very little chance with the bull, whose strong neck muscles can even withstand that of a hit of a Grizzly Bear.
Posted @ Thursday, November 25, 2010 7:49 PM by Chance
Brown bears, including the grizzly do NOT hunt large dangerous herbivores. Why should they? Bears are highly intelligent animals. Bears are omnivores. It takes very little red meat for even a really big bear. 
 
However, I disagree with Chance. First of all, a grizzly is fast dispite his bulk. He can dodge those horns as easily as the finest matador. Yes, the bull is strong. But, so is a grizzly.  
 
IF a bull attacks a grizzly, the bear is quite capable of killing the bovine. The grizzlys claws and musculature are designed for digging into rock-hard ground. Those claws can do devestating damage to the neck area of the bull. The grizzly also has a powerful bite. 
 
http://ultimatecarnivoran.yuku.com
Posted @ Friday, December 03, 2010 10:16 AM by BrotherBear
The bull would win!Most people are sure that the bear would win, but there's a small chance for that.Bull's skull and skeleton is stronger and thicker, and all bulls have a bone helmet on head, under the skin, so killing blow wouldn't work.Charging at a bull adn biting him?It wouldn't work also.Bull has giant sharp horns which would tear bear's body and head.But the most important fact is thatr the bulls are much more agressive, much more endurant (I saw a video of a bull almost surviving entire lion pride attack, and I saw a video of a wild tiger panically running away from the raged gaur or a zebu) so a bear would get lazy and the bull would kill him.Also bear doesn't kill large herbivores, he is a omnivore so he needs small amount of food.I meanhow could a bear kill a bull which is even a match for tigers and lions? 
 
BULLS ARE ANIMAL CHAMPIONS!!!
Posted @ Tuesday, December 28, 2010 10:31 AM by Petar
I would say if the bull gored him able to bear, the bear dies, but if the bear manages to give a powerful blow to the neck, the bull is bleeding and dying.....TIE
Posted @ Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:31 PM by rey jorgito
Lol you all really take that "killing blow" a little bit too seriously...it isn't true that bear can smash bull's head.In fact bull's bones can stop a bullet.Noobs say that bear is much more bigger and stronger.Yea?Bull:1000 kilos, up to 4 meters long.Bear:700 kilos, to 3.5 meters long.Neck is, as I said, armed with lotsa muscle.
Posted @ Monday, February 28, 2011 7:15 AM by Petar
And yes for those who are talking about Kodiaks:kodiak's claws are dived deeply into lard because kodiaks are really fat.They are also scavenging mostly, from whale carcasses washed along the beaches and surely aren't built for taking down large herbivores.
Posted @ Monday, February 28, 2011 7:17 AM by Petar
the bull is totaly gonna win because of its really sharp and hard horns...and by the time the bull is finished with the bear th bear is gonna be beggin on his knees for murcy then hes gonna be calling to his mama.so who ever agrees with me just write a coment and write back and then after the bear goes crying home to its mama we can rubit in there faces!;)
Posted @ Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:21 PM by kota
there is no way the bear will win,because the bull has one of the hardest skuletons in animal history.sure the bear is pretty strong but the bull is ten times the strength of the bear.its horns can off,the bull can also charge ten times faster than a bear.besides a bite wouldn't hurt the bull,it would just give him a scratch or 2,but if the bull charges at the bear when its standing...KABOOM!!!the bear is down and the bull wins!!!!!!!!!!!;)
Posted @ Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:36 PM by kota
bulls stink!but bears rockthe bear has sharp teeth and i know that the bear is going to win and the bull is going to loose!!
Posted @ Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:40 PM by shane
Dude shane, just because a bear has sharp teeth dont mean he's gonna stand a chance against a bull. My rat has sharp teeth and you think he'll knock down a bull?
Posted @ Friday, March 25, 2011 8:47 PM by Savannah
Bulls are gonna win fo sho
Posted @ Friday, March 25, 2011 8:58 PM by NoobNoodle
Don't underestimate a big Kodiak or Alaskan Coastal Grizzly!
Posted @ Friday, March 25, 2011 10:38 PM by Ted
Lets end this once and for all, Lets have a full grown polar come rape them both.
Posted @ Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:00 AM by chee
I'll bet on the Kodiak or Coastal Grizzly against the Polar Bear. In the few encounters Polar Bears have backed down.
Posted @ Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:49 AM by Ted
Depends if the polar is super pissed or if they really wanted to they can kill a kodiak or coastal grizzly.
Posted @ Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:16 AM by chee
http://ultimatecarnivoran.yuku.com/forums/66/Public-Forum
Posted @ Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:28 AM by BrotherBear
Finally someone understands that a bull would win thank god. Bulls are ALL muscle have hooves and horns. They win 8 out of 10 times
Posted @ Friday, April 22, 2011 12:04 PM by riley
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Posted @ Monday, May 02, 2011 6:21 AM by BrotherBear
Le taureau est un animal herbivore , l'ours est un carnivore , donc pour vous le mangeur de viande gagne , hélas pour vous c'est bien les herbivores qui sont les plus dangereux , l'ours a ces chances il doit se mettre debout attraper le taureau et frapper mais le taureau et une puissance incontrolabe il charge , et si il fait mouche l'ours se fait emcorner , un match a deja eu lieu dans le passé  
 
bull vs lion vs bear = winner bull  
 
faite des recherches si sa vous tente ^^ Le taureau pour le détronnez faut vraiment avoir les coroness lol parce que le taureau lui en a une belle paire lol
Posted @ Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:41 AM by Micka-Bull
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Posted @ Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:39 AM by BrotherBear
This fight toke place many times in California when Spain ruled. The Conquistadors roped Grizzly Bears and put them in bull fighting rings to watch the fights. Bears one almost every fight. Bulls one if one bear had repeated fights and tired. Check History!
Posted @ Saturday, May 21, 2011 4:17 PM by yamabushi7
So much hate people. lets look at some figures. The contenders here are a Grizzly and a Spanish Fighting bull.  
 
Start with the bear. Most female grizzlies weigh 150–350 kilograms (330–770 lb), while males weigh on average 230–450 kilograms (510–990 lb). Despite their impressive size, grizzlies are quite fast and have been clocked at 30 miles (48 kilometers) an hour.  
 
Although grizzlies are of the order Carnivora and have the digestive system of carnivores, they are normally omnivores. They have been known to prey on large mammals, when available, such as moose, deer, sheep, elk, bison, caribou,and even black bears. Grizzly bears feed on fish such as salmon, trout, and bass, and those with access to a more protein-enriched diet in coastal areas potentially grow larger than interior individuals. Grizzly bears also readily scavenge food on carrion left behind by other animals. However, plants make up approximately 80–90% of a grizzly bear's diet. 
 
That said, when a grizzly wants meat it will usually fish, or use it's keen sense of smell to track a kill by another predator. This is where it's fighting skill comes into play, as Grizzlies are typically known to muscle wolves and other bears away from their kills. When in a fight, Grizzlies like to play cat and mouse, chasing their opponents. If and opponent gets behind the bear, it will usually sit down and use it's agility and reach to protect it's self in a full circle. Grizzlies are extremely powerful, and use a wrestling fighting style that usually involves bighting, and wrapping the opponent in a crushing bear hug. Swipes with claws that can reach up to four inches in length are used to soften the opponent up for body slams and throws.  
 
Grizzlies are considered by some experts to be the most aggressive bears even by the standards of brown bears. Aggressive behavior in grizzly bears is favored by numerous selection variables. Unlike the smaller black bears, adult grizzlies are too large to escape danger by climbing trees, so they respond to danger by standing their ground and warding off their attackers. Increased aggressiveness also assists female grizzlies in better ensuring the survival of their young to reproductive age. Mothers defending cubs are the most prone to attacking, being responsible for 70% of fatal injuries to humans. Historically, bears have competed with other large predators for food, which also favors increased aggression. 
 
So then, to the bull.  
 
Fighting Cattle or Fighting Bull (toro de lidia, toro lidiado, ganado bravo, Touro de Lide) is an Iberian cattle breed. It is primarily bred free-range in extensive estates in Southern Spain, Portugal and Latin American countries where bull fighting is organized. Fighting cattle is selected primarily for a certain combination of aggressiveness, strength, vigor and intelligence: a smart bull that would not blindly ram could be too dangerous, an idle bull would make no spectacle, a bull without stamina could not last the whole three phases of the corrida, too strong of a bull would require so much weakening work that the matador could not show his ability. Most are coloured black or dark brown. Mature bulls weigh about 500 to 700 kg (1100–1600 lb).They are extremely agile and can slow from a charge in as short as six feet, and their long spines allow them to change direction quickly, even during a charge. It is this flexibility that keeps the bull from injuring himself when fighting at high speeds. A bull's bones have the density and tensile strength of steel, and the skull plate of a bull is hard enough to crack stone. The muscle of a bull is anywhere from 1, to over 10 inches thick, with the majority of this muscle mass centered in the neck, shoulders and chest. The average fighting bulls horns can reach up to 20 inches long, with the majority of the length extending beyond the flat area of the head where they grow from. All of this is strangely maintained on a herbivore diet consisting mainly of seeds, nuts, grasses and berries.  
 
In the wild, the bull, male, is responsible for the leadership and protection of his heard. Calves are prime targets for large predators such as big cats like lions, and packs of wolves or coyotes.  
 
The bull is extremely aggressive. He will not tolerate any intrusion into his territory and usually forgoes the typical display of strength, and charges into battle without hesitation. Any creature caught in his sights is dead. Plain and simple. Potential cradle robbers will always turn tail rather than face the wrath of and enraged bull. The bull uses a unique fighting style that begins with a 40 mph charge, slamming it's over 1000 lbs body into it's target. Think of it like getting hit by a small pickup truck with spikes sticking out of the front. Even getting grazed by such force is devastating. The bull will then proceed to drill the opponent into the ground using it's horns and skull. He will also stomp, and jump on the opponent with his rock hard hooves. If surrounded, the bull will kick with his back legs, and thrust with his head.  
 
Bulls are viewed in society as a symbol of power, strength, aggression, and protection. And a bull is just as bloodthirsty as any carnivore.  
 
So, you have a battle between two large aggressors, who are both notorious for their willingness to stand and fight.  
 
So, lets see. on the scales, a bull far surpasses the bear with not only a higher average weight, but the fact that the bull's weight is 80% muscle to 20% body fat, vs the bear's 60% muscle to 40% body fat. As for size and strength, edge, bull. Now, the bull has horns and hooves. The horns are big, and the hooves are sharp, but the bear has an arsenal of claws, teeth and long forelimbs. For weapons, edge, bear. for aggression, both animals are evenly matched.  
 
So, for who would win, lets think. In a one on one fight in open terrain, the bull has the advantage of size, speed, and home field. The bear is quick, but he would not just dance around the bull like a boxer. He would receive nasty kicks and gouges, and his muscle is not dense enough to protect him from the bull's horns.  
 
That said, in the bear's habitat, thick forest and high, rocky mountains, the bull's options are severely limited. the ground is too uneven and the trees to dense for him to charge, and he is libel to break a leg by tripping if he tries to charge. His horns wold hit trees and rocks, and the bear can easily outmaneuver him and gain the high ground, allowing him to get in close and throw the bull against rocks and trees, damaging his body, and causing internal injury. As he takes this pounding, his heavy body weighs him down and the bear can move in to gouge his neck, or rip his belly open.  
 
So, you cannot determine the outcome of these amazing brawlers by stats alone. both are big, both are powerful, both have intelligence, speed, agility, and are determined to kill in a fight. In the end, the deciding factor would actually be location. The bear would win in his natural habitat, where he can use terrain to his advantage and the bull has no room to charge. In a an open field , the bear would most likely be run down by the 1400lbs, muscle bound juggernaut.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:28 PM by RTG21
Grizzly bears - the ultimate carnivore: 
 
"Almost all queries received on this topic request answers to the lion versus tiger question. Oddly, few people simply ask which is considered the Ultimate Carnivore. 
 
This honour is held by an animal the tiger does not often have encounter; it is the grizzly bear. 
 
The grizzly bear is a poor predator, taking down a caribou only when the opportunity arises. This, however, shifted his evolution in favor of the job in hand, namely as a digger of hard barren ground for roots, tubers and den building. The grizzly bear subsequently evolved enormous bone and muscle density; roughly ten times our own for a given size. They have developed into huge and enormously powerful animals. 
 
Big cat biology is very different. They have evolved powerful elastic muscles over a low weight, low density bone structure to suit their purpose of chasing down prey." 
 
Grizzly bear pit fights: 
 
The Californians of the late 19th century staged well-documented pit fights with grizzlies and spanish bulls. The grizzlies, using their paw as a club, shattered the unfortunate bull's skull or shoulder bones so easily that the betting became poor. 
 
Eventually, and at considerable cost, African lions were brought in to raise the stakes. The most fierce of the adult males was sent in whilst the grizzly was already waiting in the pits. The lion was known for bravely charging straight in and looked good for the money, but the grizzly killed a male lion almost as easily as he'd killed the bull. 
 
 
 
The Californians never understood why. We now know that it was enormously strong bone density meeting a low density skull. At a range of 4 feet the blow crashed in before the lion could apply the wind pipe lock, which is lion and tiger learnt behavior for taking down prey animals. 
 
The ferocity of this animal easily matches that of an unsettled African lion." - This is a moderately good summation of the carnivore question (which carnivore is the best carnivore) , though Bears are omnivores , and 90% of their diet does not consist of meat (they feed on occasional corpses and hunt only when they stumble upon prey) , still it holds ground. Since i have taken part in studying these animals , my opinion is that the bear would most probably win in most fights. Though , a lot of factors (condition , climate , terrain , consumption of food and liquid before the fight...) can influence on the outcome. I usually don't troll or make hateful comments , but this time i won't hesitate : everyone who said that the bull would win in every fight with a bear should reconsider returning to the mental hospital for revaluation of their mental well-being.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:38 PM by Ivan
simple white rihno wins "he says whos your daddy, but i can help you to defeat the bear very easily"jajaja
Posted @ Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:39 PM by zeo stars
In your premise you refer to the bull as a cow. How dumb is that? Your premise immediately lacks credibility after that enormous mistake.
Posted @ Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:33 AM by teddy
these types of fights are rarely one sided. i'm pretty sure either one could win , even though one might have an adavntage over the other. a lion can take down a buffalo but buffalo have been known to take down lions. hell i saw a video of a wild boar fend off too adult male lions. even though we all know a lion has an adavntage over a wild boar .it pretty much looked like they didnt want to risk those tusks. of course the lion if it came up from behing it could have killed the boar no problem but he made the mistake of comming at him head on. i also saw a video of a cougar fending off a bear
Posted @ Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:29 PM by
what is wrong with all of you people? are there no compassionate people in the world? animals fight in the wild for survival not for the entertainment of human beings. i stumbled on this site by accident looking for animal rights victories and i find this. you are all pathetic. just remember... karma. you're all f*cked!
Posted @ Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:29 PM by compassionate human being
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Posted @ Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:04 PM by drake
bande d'inconsient va , certe l'ours est puissant , il détruit un lion d'un seul coup de patte , maisa t'il le temp de le faire face a un bon taureau espagnol ? j'en doute , dans le temp on organisé ce genre de combat dans des arenes cloturé , et le favoris des foules était bel et bien le taureau , certe l'ours a deja gagné mais le taureau l'a battu nettement plus , ceci dit le lion a connu les memes fin tragiques , opposé a un taureaux le lion n'avait aucune chance bien qu'il est quelque fois gagné ( miracle ? ) je pense bien que le taureau est vénéré depuis des temps ancien , pourquoi ? car il a en lui une puissance incomparable et qui surprend pas mal de jeune inconsient comme vous , pour ma part Le taureau bat l'ours , pas haut la main mais 7 sur 10 .
Posted @ Friday, November 25, 2011 4:44 PM by RocKisara
Listen up folks. Because here is the truth whether you like it or not. Tops on land. #1 Rhino and elephant. #2. Alpha male bovine bull. #3. Kodiak and grizzly bear. #4. Siberian tiger and lion tied with hippo and walrus. Now for sea creatures. #1 Sperm whale.(btw their brains are larger than ours) #2. Orca. #3 Great white. #4 Dolphin
Posted @ Monday, November 28, 2011 5:14 PM by iknow
Um u guys are dumbasses to mentions lions for one anyone that knows cats know siberian tigers and bengal tigers are the king of cats more agile and have been proven to man handle lions lions are one handed fighters if they cant beat u with a one handed haymaker they cant win its simple so a two handed fighter like a bear has the advantage. as for a bear absorbing elks and moose ramming them thats fine but a bear cant stop a car correct a average car weights 1500-2000 lbs just like a bull 40 miles an hour spanish bull with horns use ur brain a bull is more agile at 40 miles/ hr STRONGER and deadlier now can a bear deal damage yes but a bull charging at a bear thats on 4 has won the fight b4 it started now if the bear is on his hinds he has a chance not a big one but he has one. Bears DONT eat bulls bears dont eat tigers bears dont eat lions a bear CANNOT kill a tiger they are the best killing machines by far lions can be killed by anything big enough and able to fight with 2 paws as for a bull its simple he the bear is standing he has a shot if not hes dead done deal the 3 seconds it takes to stand up for him wud take 1 second for that bull to run right through him and when ur down u stay down
Posted @ Thursday, January 05, 2012 11:10 PM by Raff
i cant believe it. i cant understand, why people have doubts about it. because it is ridiculous to compare a livestock animal with a great predator like the bear. but unfortunately ignorant persons, invent things unthinkable, and then other people believes in these lies. this post is so ridiculous like his creator. because the bull is just an livestock animal , which doesnt have other modes of defences that can protect of great predators unless their fury and their strength using their horns. before the bull be used in agriculture by man, the bull was often preyed by animals, which now disappeared from the earth like sabre-toothed species, cave bears, cave lions, giant wolves and others. the bear is one of the great predators of the animal world. interacts everyday with different animals of their species, which can be larger and more dangerous for bears, like tigers, occasionally can interact with crocodiles and other species. contrary to the bull, the bear has several mechanisms of defence, such as tooth, claws, smell, muscles, fat, agressivity, temperament, the bear is able to placed, back legs on the ground like a human. that makes bear to got a better range and he can easily to defend himself against other animals. i canot believe how the bull got 46%, but this also, shows the absence of culture of persons, mainly his poster. because for many years, before the bull to be used on livestock, the bull was hunted by bears and others predators.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:26 PM by rubenmika
there wasn't even a fight it was rubbish
Posted @ Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:36 AM by cormac
Actually, we don't have to speculate. There were real bull vs bear fights held quite often back in the old days (when dog fights and cock fights were also commonplace). 
 
The result differed, but depended upon whether or not the bull managed to gore the bear with his first charge. If he did, it usually killed the bear. 
 
But quite often, the bull's wide horns would simply pass around both sides of the bear, doing no damage. The bear would then seize the bull's head with its claws, trapping it, while it ripped into the bear with its teeth, tearing off chunks of flesh, tongue, etc, until the bear bled to death. 
 
Posted @ Thursday, February 23, 2012 3:27 PM by Fred
Ultimate land carnivore is man, dudes. We MANUFACTURE our meat.
Posted @ Friday, March 02, 2012 5:32 AM by Nick
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Posted @ Friday, March 09, 2012 3:09 AM by harmeet rehal
Bull destroys the bear easily. Bull is faster, stronger, more aggressive, better armed, the advantages are endless. Add the fact that the bear has little experience handling large dangerous game. They mostly subsist on small game and vegetation. It's not fast enough to dodge a charging bull unlike lion/tigers and will attack head on- grabbing the bull's head and wrestling with it. 
 
This will play entirely into the bull's favor. Also would like to add that bulls have forward facing horns unlike wild bovids. Even if the bear latches onto the bull's side or rear (unlikely) the bull's incredible speed and bucking will throw him off. Spain bulls are much more agile, flexible than wild bovines. Wild bovines are stiffer, less agile and cannot as effectively defend against a foe latched onto its back or rear.  
Lastly, no matter how aggressive the bear, he can't match the aggression of an animal specifically bred to fight. The bull will put up such a powerful display that the bruin will be scared off. Hell even animals like goats and pigs have scared off bears. Even house cats have treed bears on occasion! 
 
the one paw swipe is a myth and totally false. Bears don't kill herbivores with paw swipes. They fight by wrestling it down and grappling. He won't get a chance to land a clean swipe on a fast moving target like a bull. Even if he lands a hit, the bull will shrug it off and then gore the bear, throw him like a toy. 
 
Lions and tigers always lost to bulls in the ring. Lions and tigers are faster, better built to deal with this opponent than a bear is. If a lion, tiger stands no chance a bear's chance is microscopic to zero. 
 
Bull 9.3/10 man. Terrible mismatch in favor of the bull. Only larger wild bovines, rhino, hippo, and elephant are outright dominant over spanish bulls.
Posted @ Saturday, April 21, 2012 3:07 AM by DJ REN
Spanish Bull would win. 
 
Spanish bulls are afraid of nothing. They are ridiculously strong (so is a grizzly, though) and can run 45 MPH. The grizzly is not used to something charging it (they typically kill by chasing down prey), and the bull charging at 45 MPH colliding head on would damage the bear quite a bit. Spanish bulls also would outweigh the grizzly by about 1000 lb. 
 
And the people saying a grizzly kills a moose, well duh. A moose is not a Spanish bull. Spanish bulls are way, way, way different. 
 
The animals that could kill a bear 1-on-1: 
Elephant (way too big for the bear) 
Rhino (same) 
Hippo (same) 
Spanish Bull 
Gaur (imagine a buffalo that is 7 feet tall at the shoulders) 
Walrus (polar bears kill juveniles, but a 7 ton walrus will routinely kill via drowning a polar bear)
Posted @ Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:19 AM by anonymous
@anonymous u forgot a siverback can kill a bear... Silverbacks are way stronger than any bear and have slot more reach... But scientist made a cross between a gorilla and a grizzly no joke look it up
Posted @ Saturday, June 09, 2012 6:05 PM by Myself
i like nature 
 
Posted @ Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:56 AM by randal
biologists say bulls and cape buffalos, but if I have to bet I put my money on the bear (but only if its weight >= 500 kg.) 
 
biologists also say cape buffalo is stronger and dangerous than bull, I totally disagree... spanish bulls are fearless beasts and always and fight to the death, are also much more agile and quick in getting rid of a possible predator on his back, while the cape buffalos are slow and although they are stronger than lions often flee in fear ... Also in the pack! Moreover, the Spanish bull's horns are pointed right to the front, so in case of frontal attack are much more dangerous than the cape buffalo (curved laterlamente, though more robust). 
 
Then a spanish bull has a much better chance to defeat a grizzly than a cape buffalo, everything depends on the first attack ... If the grizzly remains upright on its hind legs and the bull charges the bear is gored ... otherwise if he can avoid the charge and hold it on the back can also destroy it with a pair of paws. 
 
However the spanish bull is a bad beast for any adversary on this earth (except for elephant, rhino and maybe hippo). 
 
Summarizing, If I have to bet my money: 
 
- 1 grizzly (or kodiak) of 300-400 kg vs 1 spanish bull = bull wins 
 
- 1 grizzly (or kodiak) of 500 kg or more vs 1 spanish bull = bear wins 
 
Posted @ Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:21 PM by Gianluca
Are you people out of your freaking minds????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the Bull would kick the bears A@#!! It is heavier and much stronger! Haven't you ever seen a bull toss a full grown man like he was a doll??? Find a clue people! A grizzly in my yard couldn't even break through my locked shed door for the meat inside!
Posted @ Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:29 PM by DaveT
This whole topic is bullsh#t! The bull would leave the bear dead like a heep of bull crap!!
Posted @ Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:32 PM by Bob
Bull wins 2 out of 3. It's not that the bear isn't bad ass, it's just a bad match up for him.
Posted @ Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:05 AM by Eric
if you look on google Ramadan (grizzly) against Panthera (bull) you will see that the bull has killed the bear easily ... the point is that there are no references to the weight of the two animals do it to their state of health, there are only texts of newspapers of ... Panthera was also done to fight against Parnell (a man-eating lion), the lion did not die but was destroyed while Panthera was ugly scars on the face and throat but survived .... the clash grizzly lion-ended instead at par after 30 minutes of hard fighting. 
 
Again we have only written text, no images documented, so we can not say with certainty that the bull always defeat the grizzly, I repeat I think it all depends on size of the grizzly and the outcome of the first "gore" ... keep in mind that if a bullfighter sidesteps the frontal attack of the bull bear he could do it well, depends on its ability and the layer of fat that has the protection of vital organs. 
 
if he did it a lion (Parnell) to cause serious damage to the bull (Panthera) more so we could manage a grizzly (bigger than the lion with claws longer than the lion) 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtIoN2xLqk
Posted @ Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:24 AM by Gianluca
"if he did it a lion (Parnell) to cause serious damage to the bull (Panthera) more so we could manage a grizzly (bigger than the lion with claws longer than the lion)" lions are also much faster reflexes, more agility and faster... I'd say being smaller would help with not getting hit
Posted @ Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:18 PM by Myself
Read Lonesome Dove. Nuff said 
Posted @ Sunday, November 18, 2012 7:25 PM by me
Read Lonesome Dove. It's fictional but good, and has a really good part about this very same thing.
Posted @ Sunday, November 18, 2012 7:32 PM by Warren
your an idiot if you think a bear could beat a hippo
Posted @ Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:25 PM by Justin Trainor
I think it will go either way because bulls have the weight advantage while bear consistently kill and consumed adult moose and bears are predators and bears are more intelligent. It still depends who attack each other first.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:46 PM by vugvguj
I think the grizzly wins, but a fight with the agressive cape buffalo it would go either way. 
a hippo is even for a bear too strong, on land only elephants and maybe white rhinos are capeble of killing hippos
Posted @ Sunday, March 03, 2013 11:49 AM by mario
mmmhh... the Spanish bull is a much better fighter than the cape buffalo ... because it is much more agile, never gives back to his opponent and his horns are straight (therefore more deadly in the event of a frontal collision), the buffalo instead has to lower his head to become very dangerous. In addition, most importantly, the Spanish bull fights always to the death
Posted @ Monday, March 04, 2013 10:44 AM by Gianluca
Bears don't consistently hunt any animal more than 80% of their diet is vegetation, an aggressive cape buffalo will kill any bear
Posted @ Monday, March 11, 2013 10:46 PM by Myself
What if the bull got in between the grizzly and its cub?
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:08 PM by mty
OK. I have read this lenghty post and I feel obligated to comment (I've earned it). The truth is...this fight could go either way - That's why the debate continues... There is no clear winner without a fight! Some would say the Bull some the Bear but without a video or a live fight to watch, there is no clear victor regardless of what any of you say. (My money is on the bull...)
Posted @ Monday, April 29, 2013 10:59 AM by onamission foryou
Bear has a major disadvantage. The bull is much more powerful and attacks with it's head down. I heard somewhere that the power per force of a charging bull at 40mph is up to is up to 5 tons of force. If the bull were to stand on it's hind legs-intercepting the blow, he would surely be knocked on his back-and the bull will do it again and again. Another fact to not is that the fight would take place in a caged arena. The bear is a natural predator, not a caged fighter. When you cage a wild predator, he loses his confidence to fight. When you cage a bull, he becomes extremely pissed, and hostile. It has been proven time and time again, that few animals stand up to the Spanish bull. Tigers have failed, so have lions, and so have grizzlys. From what I understand, the tiger actually was able to hold is own for 30 minutes or so before he was dragged away badly wounded. And grizzly populations are slowly declining because of tigers. Also understand that these bulls are very quick of foot and can cut a corner just as fast as a hare. It's true there have been instances of grizzlys prevailing over spanish bulls, but statistics claim that are far more likely to come out in the end. Few animals actually stack up against this creature except for elephants and of course, humans.
Posted @ Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:31 PM by Tim
People just don't understand a bear brown bear was made for fighting, not just with brut strength, endurance and explosiveness but technique. It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog! Bear beats any bovine most times 7-8/10.
Posted @ Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:23 AM by UA
@UA: I think as you, but please read here: 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtIoN2xLqk 
 
- Bull (Panthera) killed grizzly (Ramadan) at the first attack. 
- Bull (Panthera) seriously injured the man-eater male african lion (Parnell). 
- Grizzly (Ramadan) vs Lion (Parnell) 1-1 parity after 30 minutes of furious battle. 
 
However, no mention was made of the size of the animals, so that I suppose that the grizzly was not very big.
Posted @ Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:46 AM by Gianluca
All u people r fucked u have mental problems bull would win by far so would sloth against puma 😄😃😀😊☺️😉
Posted @ Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:05 PM by Mr. Sloth
I tend to lean towards the bear. I mean a bull is strong but i don't think it can ram a bar to death. Bare in mind humans survive being hit full on by a bull in bull riding.
Posted @ Saturday, July 05, 2014 1:03 AM by hernanday
First of all, why the fuck would a bear charge and go head on with a bull? that's just stupid, as soon as the bull missed it would be over, bulls need momentum and bears don't and that's the end of the story. Once the bear hit it one time the fight's over bear wins. I give 8or9 out 10 fights to the bear, and this is not a biased opinion because I love both animals
Posted @ Thursday, July 17, 2014 7:29 AM by Joe Beast
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