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Interesting animal fight between two very different animals of similiar size from different ends of the world.

The Wolverine is the largest of the weasle family but resembles and acts like a small Bear. It is stocky muscular and ferocious. Male Wolverines can weigh up to 70 lbs and reach a length of 3 ft. The Wolverine has been known to attack prey many times its size. 

Olive Baboons can be as tall as 4 ft and weight close to 65 lbs. When provoked, hungry or defending their young they can be extremely aggressive. Baboons hunt smaller prey on normal conditions, but they are strong, quick, and nasty. The Baboon's canine teeth grow as long as 2.5 inches (longer than a Lion's).

The Baboon is bigger and much more agile. However, the Wolverine does not lose many confrontations and has been witnessed scaring off Wolves and even Bears from their kill. In this fight its relentless attacking will be a huge factor and it will eventually tear into the monkey

Wolverine wins.

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Comments

The baboon will win this one, the wolverine might chase off Wolves or bears, but i've never heard of an account where he actually fought a wolf or a bear, and if he did, do you seriously think he would win? The baboon on the other hand is vicious enough to seriously injure a leopard, they will fight. I'll put my money on the monkey!
Posted @ Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:33 PM by Kenny
Ithink the baboon would win because it has larger canine teeth. One bite to the neck its over.
Posted @ Friday, May 29, 2009 3:52 PM by Papoose
Both are extremely vicious animals, but I think the wolverine would probably win more because it's more bad-ass, if that makes any sense.
Posted @ Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:01 PM by Dude
the monky will win all this hype of the deadly wolverine is just that hype. when have u ever seen a wolverine kill a grizly bear...it has never happend. the monkey will simply grab it and bite it once all over mayb a few scratches over its eye.. i cant belive that soo many ppl voted wolverine lol i guess the world is becoming like that movie what was it called o yea idioism
Posted @ Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:06 AM by billy bob joe
and as for a 70 pound wolverine lol thats fulla shit... thats one big fucking wolverine rivals a pitbull in size
Posted @ Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:08 AM by billy bob joe
The wolverine would rip apart the baboon's ass.
Posted @ Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:37 AM by Gianmario
They(wolverine) Do weigh 70 lbs and winning a fight is determined by the one most commited to engage at all costs-its in the attitude as well as capabilities-my pick would be the wolverine of course.
Posted @ Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:08 PM by Attila
The animal in the picture is not a wolverine. It is a wolf with its ears held back.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:36 PM by Not a Wolverine
the wolverine would beat that baboon up!
Posted @ Monday, August 10, 2009 2:22 PM by Savannah
LOLOLOLOL!!!! 
 
 
 
That's a picture of a wolf with it's ears held back! 
 
 
 
Baboons aint a joke either! Don't automatically assume that wolverines will win, remember, baboons are PRIMATES, they're like us! And they've got big ass fucking teeth!! 
 
 
 
I'd bet a large amount of money on the baboon.
Posted @ Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:44 AM by Frankie
i agree franky the babboons ganna have this one
Posted @ Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:15 AM by billy bob joe
That's not a wolverine in the picture that's a Timber Wolf! 
 
 
 
And wolverines don't really get that big, 70 lbs? More like 45 lbs, seems accurate to me. 
 
 
 
The Baboon would rape the wolverine and then gouge it's eyes out where it can't see, and then probably even bite its head off with those gigantic chompers!!! 
 
 
 
You'd have to be a dumbass to think a wolverine would win, this isn't a fight! 
 
 
 
"there are documented cases of a wolverine killing 1000lb alaskan moose" 
 
Yeah.....When the moose is injured in some way you damn moron!! 
 
 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:26 AM by Brad or Bradson, whatever the hell u wanna call me!
agreed anything that can seriously hurt a leopard is going to go well againts a wolverine
Posted @ Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:38 AM by billy bob joe
more fights ppl leopard vs couagr 
 
emporer scorpion vs goliath bird eating spider 
 
saltwater crocodile vs grizzlybear or tiger shark 
 
Posted @ Monday, August 24, 2009 5:10 AM by billy bob joe
You guys that think the picture is a wolf are idiots. Have you ever seen a wolverine? Probably not. Wolverines are FEROCIOUS. Not that the baboon isn't, but the wolverine's berserker mode would make for easy victory. Then baboon wouldn't get inside for a bite with the wolverines relentless clawing.
Posted @ Friday, September 11, 2009 11:48 AM by Bill
the picture is a wolf not a wolverine please type ''gulo gulo'' on google and see REAL wolverine pictures. The site must be more cautious. By the way there is no way a single baboon can best a wolverine. maybe a gang of baboons but not a single one.
Posted @ Friday, September 11, 2009 6:27 PM by Blackguard
70 lbs isn't average, but its not uncommon for a wolverine "The adult wolverine is about the size of a medium dog, with a length usually ranging from 65 – 87 cm (25 – 34 inches), a tail of 17 – 26 cm (7 – 10 inches), and a weight of 10-25 kg (22 – 55 lb), though exceptionally large males can weigh over 31 kg (70 lb).[6] The males are as much as 30 percent larger than the females. It is the largest of terrestrial mustelids; only the marine dwelling sea otter and giant otter are larger. in the genus Gulo (Latin: "glutton"). It is a stocky and muscular carnivore, resembling a small bear more than other mustelids. The wolverine has a reputation for ferocity and strength out of proportion to its size, with the documented ability to kill prey many times its size." 
 
Babboons would quickly realize the futility in fighting one of these little berserkers and would retreat as apes are very apt to do. 
 
Posted @ Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:01 PM by ATTILA
I believe in the baboon. It can use its hands and is faster and a good fighter. I still love the wolverine though!
Posted @ Monday, September 14, 2009 6:16 PM by Dark_Wolfxoxo
I just wanted to say, many of the people on here are ridiculous! Does anyone realize the power of the wolverine? I have studied mustelids for quite some time and for their size, mustelids are extremely strong. Wolverines have jaws that could literally crush bones, and frozen ones, too. Baboons have long canines; however, they have weaker jaws in comparison to a wolverine. They cannot crush bone. Their canines can only be used to wound animals and scrape of meat from kills; not necessarily give a fatal blow. A wolverine could crush the spine of the baboon with its powerful jaws. Also, wolverines have fast reflexes, and even if the monkey was behind the mustelid, it would quickly turn around snap its jaws at the baboon. Baboons cannot punch, so they’re hands will be pretty much useless. Wolverines have razor sharp claws, which act as daggers, which can gut a baboon with ease.
Posted @ Friday, September 25, 2009 2:45 AM by MrAlien123456
Wolverine stats: 
 
Weight- 22-55lbs 
 
Length- 25-34 inches 
 
Weapons- Bone crushing jaws, dagger sharp claws, thick bones and fast reflexes. 
 
 
 
Olive Baboon stats: 
 
Weight- 20-55lbs 
 
Length- 20- 36 inches 
 
Weapons- Two inch long canines that are only used to scrape meat off bone, and to intimidate rival males and predators. 
 
 
 
Wolverine has a stronger build, stronger jaws, sharper claws and faster reflexes than a baboon. I’m positive a wolverine could kill any baboon. 
 
Posted @ Friday, September 25, 2009 2:55 AM by MrAlien123456
You delivered a great point, Mr. alien, however I would like to add another point people have overlooked; the fight in the animal is most important-the wolverine is much more ready to do battle than are baboons, thus will be the victor. The one who will win all these fights are the animals more willing to carry the fight to the other; in this case-its the wolverine.
Posted @ Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:35 PM by ATTILA
OMG, its such a mismatch, what surprises me is that many people would probably favor a wolf over a wolverine(and i agree that a wolf would beat a wolverine), but does that mean a wolf would beat a baboon?? a baboon would rip a wolf apart, i know wolves are powerful, but a male baboon with huge fangs and ferocious attack would break a wolf in half.
Posted @ Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:24 AM by Gianmario
Another baboon fan boy, I see. You must not understand how big or powerful a grey wolf is. A grey wolf has jaws as strong as a lion's, if not slightly stronger (700PSI). A baboon has weak jaws in comparison to a wolf. Let me show you the statistics Gianmario: 
 
 
 
 
 
Grey Wolf Stats:  
 
 
 
Weight: 40-170lbs 
 
 
 
Length: 3-5.5ft (not including tail) 
 
 
 
Weapons: Powerful jaws, a lot of stamina (as with all canids), fairly large and apt for hunting. 
 
 
 
 
 
Olive Baboon stats:  
 
 
 
Weight- 20-55lbs  
 
 
 
Length- 20- 36 inches  
 
 
 
Weapons- Two inch long canines that are only used to scrape meat off bone, and to intimidate rival males and predators.  
 
 
 
Yeah, I don’t think the baboon has much of a chance. Lone wolves have been known to take prey items as large as caribou. The largest prey items a single baboons have been recorded to kill are small antelopes. Wolves can kill a baboon with one bite to their throat. Wolves have been known to disembowl large dogs, when baboons have been killed many times by large dogs. 
 
Posted @ Monday, October 12, 2009 1:02 AM by MrAlien123456
I agree Mr Alien that a wolf would tear a baboon up-just look at how dogs do-they hate monkeys and will kill them on site-dogs and canines in general are the most brutal, viscious animals there is-despite their size, they overcome. Lucky for the big cats that canines are 3-5 times smaller-if they were of equal size, they would be treeing the big cats just as they do to house cats.
Posted @ Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:06 PM by ATTILA
Wolves are probably the most overrated animals on earth; 
Mr. Alien, you are totally discounting any advantage of the baboon, the baboon "ripping the wolf apart" is of course an exaggeration on my part, but the baboon has grappling limbs and hands that can control the wolf's jaw, whilst the wolf is incapable of doing so, and the baboon's jaws are not weak, please show me a source that states so, i'll post you, my source on the baboon having very powerful jaws: 
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g235/scottwolverine1111/baboonnut.jpg 
if a wolf could crush a baboon's windpipe with one bite, the baboon could also do so, and since the wolf cannot control the opponent's jaws whilst the baboon can, its clear that the baboon has an advantage, plus olive baboons are not the large baboons, you've been highly unfair in your comparison, chacma baboons weigh roughly 90 lb, wolf fanboys think all wolves weight 150 and plus lb, they are wrong: 
"Wolf weight varies geographically; on average, European wolves may weigh 38.5 kg (85 lbs), North American wolves 36 kg (80 lbs), and Indian and Arabian wolves 25 kg (55 lbs).[6] Though rarely encountered, extreme specimens of more than 77 kg (170 lb.) have been recorded in Alaska, Canada,[7] and the former Soviet Union.[8]"  
given that "baboon" is a genus, whilst "gray wolf" is a species, we should do, chacma baboon vs gray wolf, and they are about the same size, tell me what the wolf has over the baboon, come on, predatory instincts?? useless, in a fight, the baboon is more well equipped(more dexterous, larger canines, jaws at least as powerful), the only real advantage of the wolf is its stamina. And lol, olive baboons 20 lb?!?! the smallest species of baboon is the guinea baboon which is like 30 lb in weight, again, you have been biased.
Posted @ Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:21 AM by Gianmario
"dagger sharp claws" bullshit, how misinformed you are, wolf claws are blunt and non recractble, plus u haven't mentioned the baboon's advantages i mentioned above, biased wolf fanboy.
Posted @ Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:23 AM by Gianmario
i'm sorry about the claws i thought u were referring to the wolf but you were referring to the wolverine, still, read my long post.
Posted @ Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:25 AM by Gianmario
If a baboon as able to hold the jaws of a wolf, that would mean a baboon can move/pull apart objects over 700pounds, which isn't true. If the wolf is biting down with a force of 700PSI, then a baboon's hands will clamped down by the wolf’s jaws. You are asking it like baboons can do the same amount of lifting as apes. They can't they can lift, but they aren't build like gorillas, to lift things or pull them apart. Ninety pounds is also rare to find baboons at, just like it's rare to find wolves at 170+ pounds, no matter what species. The largest baboon species is the Chamaca baboon which usually only get at the largest, 70-80 pounds, as Wikipedia says, since you're also referring to Wikipedia. However, alpha male wolves can average about 50-60kg, which is 110-132lbs. Wolves have a lot of stamina. Canines have much more stamina than big cats, and that's another advantage when fighting even the largest baboons. I don't think wolves are super powerful. I know cougars can kill wolves the majority of the time however, a baboon can be killed by a grey wolf more than a grey wolf will be killed by a baboon. I said baboons have weak jaws compared to wolves, not to humans. Humans average at 100PSI; baboons may be about 350PSI. Their long canines can also be a disadvantage. They can break easier in battle, considering they aren't thick; they are skinny, in comparison to their length. A lion's canines are thick compared to their length, so they can't break as easily on combat.
Posted @ Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:11 PM by MrAlien123456
Also, about the 20lb average. That's their minimum weight. It's for females.
Posted @ Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:19 PM by MrAlien123456
If a lone cheetah can kill a baboon, then so can a wolf A cheetah's jaws only bite at a maximum capacity of 500PSI. They also have a smaller skull area than a wolf. Their teeth aren't large either, yet they can take prey items a baboon can't. Lone wolves have been known to take prey as large as caribou, which is not weakened by the winter. The largest prey items rogue baboons have taken are goats. 
 
 
 
P.S.- If the other posts weren't sent to your email because they got replaced by this one, then read the rest of my recent posts on the site. 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:30 PM by MrAlien123456
in my opinion, we cannot really tell who would win between a chacma and a gray wolf, given the relatively small variance in size between the chacma's subspecies, and the relatively huge variance in size between the gray wolf's subspecies, the largest wolves are the russian and rocky mountain ones, which average 100 lb, in that case, the wolf would have a 50% weight advantage and reasonably win, however the smallest wolf subspecies is the arabian wolf which weighs like 40 lb, a chacma would annihilate it, at same size i favor the baboon somewhat easily.
Posted @ Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:43 PM by Gianmario
Gianmario, I disagree with you on a couple things, for instance, the grey wolf average is more like 150 lbs and even a 40 lb canid would kill a baboon-remember, most pitbulls are that weight-I had a blue Heeler that would tear even a chimpanzee a new one, very viscious-and remember, canines hate monkeys and primates. Canines are relentless in their attacks, baboons fight only long enough to escape as people who have worked with them noted.
Posted @ Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:03 PM by ATTILA
"the baboon has grappling limbs and hands that can control the wolf's jaw, whilst the wolf is incapable of doing so"-humans have the same advantage and are stronger than baboons and have been killed by 40 lb pitbulls, Dobermans, and Rottweillers-the ability to use your arms doesn't stop ravenous slavering jaws from ripping you to peices! People have been mauled to death in their own homes-and people have the ability to use weapons such as blunt objects and sharp ones-unlike baboons which have not displayed that attribute ever. Also, canines have fighting claws known as dew-claws with which they grab their prey-dogs use their paws in fighting very much. I've had Red and Blue Heelers all my life (35 years) and have had 5 at one time-i've seen my share of dog fights with mine and others peoples walking or what have you, and i can tell you from real life experience that they will tear a primate to peices. I've also been stationed in the philippines and seen a plethora of primates there as well, not too many dogs, but the local people have told me their dogs tear the hell out of any primates in their site at every opportunity. 
 
Also, my sister has a wolf and a hybrid shepherd wolf and she said the hybrid is meaner, but both are around 120 lbs, not 80 lbs. 
 
Also, since this is about wolverines, the wolverine would rip into the baboon and the baboon would take off like all the Demons of the pit were after it, as they have been known to do-wolverines are fighters and tenacious, baboons while known to at times be viscious, also are known to flee the scene when escape is available like ALL primates do-even gorillas.
Posted @ Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:22 PM by ATTILA
150 lb?? where did you get it from?? more like 80 lb as an adult, chacmas 68 lb. canids hate apes and monkeys?? who cares, a chimp would beat a wolf, its stronger, more aggressive and has four powerful arms. to be honest i never found canids as predators of similar sized monkeys, can you provide me a record?? pitbulls and such dogs hate humans because they mistreat them. Mr Alien: a cheetah is no match for a male baboon please tell me where did you found that a cheetah could defeat a baboon, its gotta be a female baboon, almost anything can defeat a female baboon as they lack the male's canines. btw, a gorilla would kill a wolf in no time.
Posted @ Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:52 PM by Gianmario
What are you talking about? If a lone cheetah has the hunting capability of killing a warthog, it can kill a baboon. Pigs are, pound for pound, stronger than monkeys. There have been reports of pet pigs killing their owners and eating off of them. The most notable areas of where they ate off of are their digits, face and limbs. If cheetahs can kill wildebeest, why would you think a baboon can kill a cheetah? A wildebeest can murder a baboon, male or female. Just one kick and his face gets dented in. A warthog can kill a baboon by goring him with his tusks. They have thicker skulls for impact and a warthog can weigh anywhere from 110- over 300lbs. Look at the link above, Gianmario. Those were male baboons, in the video. And alpha male wolves average between 110-132lbs, however, the largest ever recorded was 190 pounds. The largest baboon that was ever recorded was 100lbs. You said a baboon would tear a wolf apart, which isn't rue. I remember that statement from before......
Posted @ Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:15 AM by MrAlien123456
Click on my name. The link is there.
Posted @ Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:19 AM by MrAlien123456
just because its repealing it, it doesn't mean it can kill it, i seen [URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jXHFpQ2gWU]2 baboons repealing 5 cheetahs[/URL] one on one to death a baboon would easily beat a cheetah. And preying on warthog is different from fighting a baboon. gaurs weigh like 4 times as much as brown bears on average, but tigers have a far harder time fighting brown bears than hunting gaurs, because they are different.  
the baboon in your video looks very small its probably either a female or young male, female baboons don't have the huge canines of males.
Posted @ Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:08 AM by Gianmario
A baboon's teeth are also a disadvantage. If enough force impacts the baboon's mouth while it's open, it can shatter the teeth, much easier than a cheetah's can. This is because the baboon has long *SKINNY* fangs. They can break in battle easier than let's say a lion's. A baboon’s teeth may be long, but they are skinny and usually are only good for intimidating other males and predators. Have you seen a mandrill open it’s mouth, it may not be a true baboon, but it’s a very close relative of them. Their teeth are long, but skinny as fuck. They can shatter in combat.
Posted @ Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:40 PM by MrAlien123456
The baboon is pretty much like one of the saber tooth cats. Saber- tooth cats may have long fangs, but that didn't mean shit. They had to hunt in prides and take the prey down with physical force before they can use those famous sabers to bite the jugular of the pinned down animal. A male baboon's teeth can shatter easier than any other animals in battle. Let’s just call baboons the "saber- tooths” of the monkey world. I have not heard of one documented case of a baboon actually killing a cheetah, unless it was a cub. All in all, teeth so slender like that don’t mean shit until the animal is pinned on the ground. The length of the teeth doesn’t really improve bite force. Teeth too long give animals disadvantages.
Posted @ Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:47 PM by MrAlien123456
There is no proof that primates of the same size are stronger, obviously you know nothing about canids-they are immenssly strong in different ways. 
 
Also, there is plenty of proof they kill primates-they do it all the tiime-every chance they get-the people who live there see this going on and relate the story-they have nothing to gain from lying, they don't care, they just observe and report what they've seen-thats proof!click on this site if you think dogs are weak in comparison: 
 
xtremepitbulls.com 
 
I guarrantee you from what I've heard on primate vs canine and what I've witnessed how canids attack, the apes have zero chances except to find the nearest tree and it better be close, or the canid will close distance and.....end of primate, entrails hanging out and everything! Dogs rip open the stomach disemboweling their enemy and eat it while its still alive-they are brutal and would have no trouble with primates-even a pack of wild dogs could kill gorrilas.
Posted @ Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:21 PM by ATTILA
yeah a wolf pack could kill a gorrilla, not one on one but thats just silly a leopard has a hard time fighting gorrilas a single wolf thats just stupid. but this fight is about babboons and wolverines so can we get back to it
Posted @ Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:22 PM by billy bob joe
Billy, look at my comment above. I think that answered the fight between the baboon and the wolverine. It shows the stats and everything. It's passed the whole conversation about wolves. Gianmario is the one that brought up that thing about wolves losing to a baboon, which isn't true. Wolves average higher in weight than baboons and have stronger jaws. Teeth don't mean shit with baboons. Maybe for hippos, but not for baboons........ They can give you some wounds, but they won’t be fatal unless they get you at your neck, which in that case, a wolf will kill the baboon before that happens. Wolves are better fighters when it comes to jaws combat in comparison to a baboon. Hands mean shit as well. A grey wolf has the bite pressure of a lion (700PSI). A baboon is probably around 300. Baboons have never been known to punch him combat. They can hang on, but the wolves can just role over and shake the baboon off. If the baboon tried to open the wolves jaws, as Gianmario insists, it would be like King Kong, another movie that was off. The baboon would have to be able to pull apart a 700lb object, since there will be 700lbs closing on his hands. Lone wolves have been recorded killing caribou. The largest prey item a lone baboon has killed is a goat......... Now, back to King Kong…… The gorilla was too overrated. It has been proposed that even at the same size of a modern tiger, a Tyrannosaurus rex can still overwhelm it. People don’t understand that T-rex had a skull that was very durable. It couldn’t just break in half from an attempted jaw snap that King Kong was delivering. Also, a T-rex has stronger jaws and the force of massive gorilla like Kong will still not have enough force to crush the skull. Also, King Kong is bitten quite a few times during the fight and all the bites leave are little bloody teeth marks. A T- rex has very powerful jaws and just one bite to the shoulder would be enough for King Kong to be crippled on that arm (his shoulder blade would be crushed, if this were in real life). T-rex also had powerful upper-body strength, despite their small arms. Their chest, core and abdominals are what I’m referring to.
Posted @ Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:40 PM by MrAlien123456
A baboon is around 300?? either you are blind or you are, on purpose, ignoring the facts i posted, baboons proven themselves to crush hard nuts with their jaws, and no case of baboons killing cheetah?? and where are the cases of cheetahs killing baboons?? lol. A bite from the baboon would also cripple or kill a wolf or cheetah. Attila, a pitbull is totally different from a wolf, pitbulls are bred to fight, they are squat and powerfully built, wolves are lightly built, for running, with long fragile limbs, even weaker than those of a cheetah.
Posted @ Friday, October 16, 2009 12:12 AM by Gianmario
LoL, are you kidding me? Wolves have more powerful jaws than any baboon. As stated before, they have the bite force of a lion. The opposable thumbs don’t mean shit in this situation, if they have no weaponry to go with them, like claws. And also, a nut is nothing compared to what a wolf can do. Wolves can crush bones, with their powerful jaws. Baboons have to keep gnawing at a bone until it finally starts cracking. Again, a baboon's punches will have little to no effect on a grey wolf. Again, if the baboon tries to hold the wolf’s jaws open, the wolf’s jaws will just crush his hands.
Posted @ Friday, October 16, 2009 1:55 AM by MrAlien123456
BTW, I don’t think a baboon would fair well with Epicyon haydeni. It could reach the size of a lion.......... So there you go. The canid family beats the family of Old World monkeys.  
 
 
 
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VA6LePZ6KNY/STySWnHcNfI/AAAAAAAABRM/xQRXaaRhlUw/s320/Epicyon.jpg 
 
 
 
This shows a scale between two Epicyon species. Epicyon haydeni is the larger one and the smaller one is Epycon saevus, which averaged the size of a grey wolf. Both specimens of Epicyon saevus species were rounded to a 100lb average. One weighing 98lbs and one weighing 11lbs. 
 
 
 
Epicyon saevus: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Epicyon_canidae.png/180px-Epicyon_canidae.png 
 
 
 
The closest living relative of this genus is the raccoon dog. The genus Epicyon became extinct about 2.7 million years ago.
Posted @ Friday, October 16, 2009 2:18 AM by MrAlien123456
Try this link for the size scale: 
 
 
 
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VA6LePZ6KNY/STySWnHcNfI/AAAAAAAABRM/xQRXaaRhlUw/s320/Epicyon.jpg 
 
 
 
This shows a scale between two Epicyon species. Epicyon haydeni is the larger one and the smaller one is Epycon saevus, which averaged the size of a grey wolf. Both specimens of Epicyon saevus species were rounded to a 100lb average. One weighing 98lbs and one weighing 11lbs.
Posted @ Friday, October 16, 2009 2:21 AM by MrAlien123456
WTF!? The link gets cut off at the end form this site?  
 
 
 
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VA6LePZ6KNY/STySWnHcNfI/AAAAAAAABRM/xQRXaaRhl is the part that manages to get through the comments page. 
 
 
 
After the visible part of the link on the site, c&p the following..... 
 
Uw/s320/Epicyon.jpg
Posted @ Friday, October 16, 2009 2:24 AM by MrAlien123456
For Epicyon saevus, the weights were suppossed to be 98lbs and 111lbs, not 11lbs.
Posted @ Friday, October 16, 2009 2:26 AM by MrAlien123456
Mr.Alien, until u find substantial evidence like i did, i have no reason to believe you, and by the way, u forgot that a male baboon is a threat to a male leopard, in any fight between a baboon and a leopard, the leopard kills the baboon but gets seriously, even mortally injured, read this: 
"The Hlarulini male enjoyed a successful start to the month of April, with many good sightings. Unfortunately for him, during the middle of the month, he was seen to feed on a baboon close to the KK booms. The male was in some thick bush, and visual was poor. Rangers were alerted to some serious wounds on the male, once he moved towards the river. The cause of the wounds is much debated, and the seriousness of the wounds has led rangers to believe that he either had an encounter with another leopard, perhaps whilst appropriating the carcass. Others believe that the male did in fact kill the baboon, and during the fight, the baboon managed to injure the leopard with its long fangs and claws. 
 
Either way, the male sustained a serious gash on his fore leg that appeared to have been split to the bone, and another wound, equally as serious on his rump. These animals have a strong immune system, coupled with a very high pain threshold, however time will be able to tell the outcome of this legend of Mala Mala." 
imagine what a baboon could do to a wolf if it could seriously injure a leopard.
Posted @ Friday, October 16, 2009 7:30 AM by Gianmario
They said Might’ve SUSTAINED SERIOUS INJURIES FROM THE BABOON. A leopard can beat the shit out of a baboon. If a leopard can kill la hyena, then it can kill la baboon. A spotted hyena can tear the monkey apart. You're telling me a leopard nearly died to a baboon....... I won't believe this misinformation until it's actually proven. Also, is this leopard a young male? Certainly it didn’t have the right hunting techniques with it. This male could’ve fought with another male over the carcass, as well, or took over the carcasses fro ma pack of wild dogs. Don’t tell me that a baboon can seriously injure a leopard until you find proven info.
Posted @ Friday, October 16, 2009 1:56 PM by MrAlien123456
ROFLMAO! Are you telling me that the baboon had claws? This could be a story form anywhere, including one you made up, with different sources. Give me the website to this "source". I cannot believe they would think a baboon can injure a leopard with its fingernails. This is just great!  
 
 
 
http://www.animalversus.com/monkey-fights/baboon-vs-leopard/  
 
Look at this..... It's only 9/10 instead of 10/10, because anything can happen in a fight. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Friday, October 16, 2009 2:18 PM by MrLsaien123456
tell me why you have such a low estimation of baboons, you're probably another delusional primate-bashing poster. for "claws" they probably meant its hands. and you always say its a monkey, SO WHAT?? its aggressive, powerful and well armed. my source was the malamala.tv site but its dead at the moment. one baboon can injure a leopard with its fangs, there are several recorded cases of baboons injuring leopards: 
http://i38.tinypic.com/2gv6grm.png 
stop underestimating baboons just cause they are monkeys.
Posted @ Friday, October 16, 2009 11:46 PM by Gianmario
Hands? LOL! Baboons cannot punch. Their punches are weaker than that of a human. Sure they can kill an average human, but that doesn't mean they can punch. All they can do is slap and grab on. I never was primate biased. I know a gorilla can slaughter a wolf or a cheetah and it's a 50/50 fight against a leopard, but 9/10 times a leopard will massacre a baboon. And you also underestimated wolves. As their bite is stronger than that of a baboon. Baboons can't crush bones, which wolves can. However, the outcome of a cheetah vs. a baboon is more of a 6/10, in favor of the cheetah, considering it's faster than the baboon and can still use its claws in a fight. Go look up cheetah claws. They are long and sharp, despite them only being semi-retractable. You said a baboon can tear a grey wolf in half, which is complete bullshit. It can bite the fuck out of it, but the wolf will fuck up the baboon even more. Also, the wolf has strong neck muscles which will allow some impact to be deflected form the baboon's bites. Considering a baboon is built like a canine, with slightly weaker jaws, a wolf can overwhelm it. The baboon may be more aggressive, however, if both animals were to fight to the death hover a carcass, a grey wolf would win. Also, you have not acknowledged that the back of the grey wolf is powerful. They require powerful backs to fight. It’s not like one bite of a baboon to the back of the grey wolf will do it. They also have broad chests. Baboons don’t have very strong spines and a bite fro ma wolf can easily disable a baboon. A wolf’s teeth can be over 1 inch long. This included with their size, powerful backs, strong necks, strong jaws, stamina, and agility can overwhelm m a male baboon.
Posted @ Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:43 AM by MrAlien123456
Also, about the leopard thing; haven’t you acknowledged that the leopard could’ve sustained injuries form other baboons as he was being distracted by the male? I know baboons travel in a troop of at least 5 animals. I know that males usually don’t patrol territory alone and may go in pairs of two. Don't say that it could've been one baboon that did that to the leopard, unless I see evidence. He probably thought that he could’ve taken one of the two male baboons, which he did, but sustained injuries from them distracting him back and forth. Eventually the leopard decided to pounce on one and finish the fight. If one leader of a troop of primates gets killed, usually the other members start to retreat. They probably used the same tactic chimps use. After all, Old World monkeys are the closest living family of monkeys to apes. They distract the predator, one after the other, going in from behind until they scare the predator off, kill it, or one of the troop members falls to the predator, in which this case, it was the third choice I listed. And about the two baboons scaring off the 5 cheetahs…… I saw that video. There was no physical conflict. The cheetahs did not want to risk anything. Cheetahs can be discouraged from a carcass by any animal. That includes humans. However, if both a single male cheetah and a single male baboon were in their prime, the win percentage will be 55%-65% for the cheetah.
Posted @ Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:56 AM by MrAlien123456
Hyenas have also severly injured leopards over food, then the leopard leaves running up a tree. Hyena would destroy a baboon EASILY. Tehy are the most abundant predator in Africa and well equiped enough to rival lions for the plains as predator. A wolf also has a stronger bite than a pitbull. Canids will win against primates with exception of the gorilla or maybe chimp, but this is real life and most canids travel in packs or clans so they have an even greater percentage in their favor-canids win! 
 
On this blog-the wolverine gets the trophy for this fight, because its my belief the wolverine is too much for the baboon.
Posted @ Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:31 AM by ATTILA
Were you referring to Amphicyon, or "Bear Dog"? Amphicyon longiramus. In the Early Miocene of Florida, no animal was more deadly. This mammal was the apex predator of its time and had no equal. Made famous in the BBC digital television presentation "Walking with Prehistoric Beasts", the bear-dogs were ferocious carnivores that ranged from the size of a medium dog to the size of a bear. Amphicyon longiramus was the largest of the Florida species at the size of a full-grown bear. This species evolved in Eurasia and migrated to North America. A. longiramus was the top predatory land mammal of its time in Florida during the Early Miocene. Its skull was long in comparison to its body size but brain size was lacking. Its posture and structure were similar to a bear and it is theorized that it must have hunted using ambush techniques that are used today by modern grizzlies. Most likely, this giant bear-dog burst upon its unfortunate victim at close range and dealt its prey a single deadly blow with its massive forepaw. This theory of attack is also based on its relative the bear as it was incapable of sustaining long runs in pursuit of prey. Compared to lighter species of Amphicyonids, Amphicyon longiramus had heavy posterior dentition allowing it to crush bone in its jaws.  
 
 
 
Posted @ Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:49 AM by ATTILA
Mr.Alien, i was exaggerating about the baboon "ripping the wolf apart", i think a baboon would win against a cheetah 8/10 times, it has nearly every single advantage, bite force, tooth size, dexterity, strength, aggression etc. the cheetah claws are non retractile plus, speed is not an advantage, agility is an advantage and its the only advantage the cheetah has over the baboon.  
Posted @ Saturday, October 17, 2009 6:24 AM by Gianmario
Bear dogs are the proposed link between bears and canids, as bears are one of the closest living relatives to them. But what I was referring to was an actual extinct canid, known as Epicyon haydeni, which could get to the size of a lion and lived approximately 11 million years ago. Bear dogs are thought to be in their own family of carnivores, but that family is closely related to canines and ursids. Epicyon was an actual canid. The closest living relative of it is the raccoon dog. Not a true domestic dog breed, but a species of canid that is that has the size and appearance of a raccoon. It’s not in the same genus as wolves, jackals and coyotes are, so it’s virtually impossible for it to hybridize with a wolf, or at least make fertile offspring, that can reproduce, instead of just staying sterile. There was three Epicyon species from that genus. The smallest one averaged the size of a grey wolf. The largest one was Epicyon haydeni. It's unfortunate that climate change contributed to the extinction of Epicyon haydeni. I would've liked to see one in real life. They were extremely well adapted to hunt on their own and had powerful jaws that could crush bones in one bite. Epicyon haydeni had a short, stout and compact snout, apt for crushing bones. The snout wasn’t long and slender like that of a modern day grey wolf’s. I wonder how it would fair well, if it were one of the top predators of North America. Also, recent studies suggest that modern day grey wolves actually originated from Eurasia. The Beringian wolf was thought to have descended from the same ancestor of as the grey wolf. After the dire wolves died out. This gave the grey wolf a chance to adapt and become a larger predator, instead of a medium sized predator of the Ice Age. One split off the evolutionary tree had grey wolves become the predators they are today, and the other one led the Beringian wolf. A powerful hunter. 
 
 
 
Look at the link(s) here: 
 
 
 
http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/05/bone-crushing_super-wolf_went_extinct_during_last_ice_age.php 
 
 
 
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:PjO9Vd1NWWwJwww.es.ucsc.edu/~pkoch/pdfs/Koch%2520papers/2007/Leonard%2520et%252007%2520CurBio%252017-1146.pdf+beringian+wolf&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us 
 
 
 
I wonder why information on this wolf was never put up on Wikipedia............. I tried searching all over for it on Wikipedia and nothing comes up. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:28 PM by MrAlien123456
The first link works, while the second one is being a bitch. If you typed in "Beringian wolf" on your broswer, you'll find other articles on this canine.
Posted @ Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:30 PM by Mralien123456
"A single male baboon is a powerful adversary. With nearly 2 inch canines and a weight of up to 70lbs, a male baboon with a attitude is formidable. Lukas Stoltz and G.S Saayman, two zoologists working in the Transvaal section of South Africa, observed one dominate male baboon maim or kill three large dogs when they attacked his troop." 
http://books.google.com/books?id=-49E5s9_65sC&pg=PA162&dq=Male+baboon+maimed+3+dogs 
Hands and grappling limbs mean shit?? the baboon can knock the wolf over getting in a dominant position and scoring a killing bite first.  
The wolf is TOAST.
Posted @ Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:56 AM by Gianmario
When someone refers to a dog as "large" they could be as light as 60lbs.  
 
 
 
"Gray or black wolves are most common, and the relative abundance of each color phase varies over time and from place to place. Most adult male wolves in Alaska weigh from 85 to 115 pounds (38.6-52.3 kg), but they occasionally reach 145 pounds (65.3 kg). Females average 5 to 10 pounds (2-5 kg) lighter than males and rarely weigh more than 110 pounds (50 kg). Wolves reach adult size by about 1 year of age, and the largest wolves occur where prey is abundant year round." 
 
 
 
-Alaska Department of Fish and Game 
 
http://www.adfg.state.ak.us/pubs/notebook/furbear/wolf.php 
 
 
 
They average a lot heavier than even the Chamaca baboons. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:27 AM by MrAlien123456
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:wQcESqytyM8J:www1.umn.edu/ships/modules/biol/wolves.pdf+grey+wolf+field+study&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us 
 
 
 
What are you going to believe? Wikipedia, a place where an average person can edit anything it says, or actual field studies done on the animal?
Posted @ Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:41 AM by MrAlien123456
http://www.panda.org/about_our_earth/species/wolf_timber_intro/ 
 
 
 
Here's a site that lists similar information to the other two, to support the size of grey wolves. And to prove that they can kill a baboon. A male baboon cannot even flip over an 85lb wolf, let alone one that's 100+. You're making it like they're gorillas (flipping over an animal heavier than them...), which they aren't.
Posted @ Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:47 AM by MrAlien123456
Why should a male baboon be in trouble flipping over a wolf?? And if the baboon jumps on the wolf it could certainly knock it over, then the wolf is finished.  
For those who believe mandrills and baboons are small pushovers: 
http://www.post-gazette.com/images4/20070614VWHC011743Dr_Fu_450.jpg 
Posted @ Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:58 PM by Gianmario
First of all, I never said that baboons were pushovers, however, you make it like wolves are. An adult male wolf against even a mandrill will win 7-9/10. Against a male Chamaca, the wolf would win 8-9/10. And the Mandrill on the table is very large. However, the largest Mandrill recorded was only 119lbs, compared to the 190lb wolf that was shot in Alaska. And there were many documented specimens of wolves reaching over 140lbs. 
 
BTW, the Mandrill looks larger than it is in real life because they took the picture the same way the photographer does when someone kills all are animal in a hunt, to make it appear like it’s larger than life. 
 
 
 
Try these pictures for size: 
 
 
 
http://media.photobucket.com/image/wolf%20and%20person/VacuumVoodoo/Miscelanea/wolf004.jpg 
 
 
 
http://blog.oregonlive.com/environment_impact/2009/05/large_wolf 
 
 
 
Male mandrills averagge 50-80lbs. 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted @ Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:50 PM by MrAlien123456
Lol, Mr.Alien, Gray Wolves don't live only in North America, there are very small subspecies, as a whole they probably don't weigh more than Mandrills.  
Anyways, as Wikipedia can be wrong about Wolves, it can be wrong about Mandrills:  
"Adult males are larger (in Gombe, 21-35 kgs) than females (9-21 kgs and have a cape of long hair around the neck and shoulders." 
http://gorp.away.com/gorp/location/africa/tanzania/gom_bab.htm 
Olives are not even the largest Baboons, imagine how big a Mandrill would be. Even if the Wolf is a bit heavier, the Baboon is still a more powerfully built animal, with a stockier body and stronger limbs. 
Plus, while not as dangerous as feline claws, baboon nails can still damage, and even if they cut at the same level as the wolf's claws, the baboon can at least use them, having flexible limbs. 
http://i35.tinypic.com/6gz9yd.png 
I can provide you a couple of accounts of animals and people injured by baboon nails, so in conclusion: 
Weaponry - Baboon 
Strength - Baboon 
Flexibility - Baboon 
Speed - Wolf 
Size - Wolf  
As said above, speed is not important at all in a fight, so will a slight size advantage give the Wolf an edge?? No way in hell. 
So, i stand for my statement, the Baboon will tear the Wolf apart, not with ease but ultimately it will.
Posted @ Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:59 AM by Gianmario
You know what's funny, Gianmario? I never said they lived EXCLUSIVELY in Alaska...... However, the largest specimens recorded were over 140lbs. The largest Mandrill on record was 119lbs. And grey wolves aren't a subspecies, as you stated them being "a very small subspecies". They are a whole species of canid. And baboon nails are as sharp as human nails (which were never bothered to be cut). To a wolf, they really aren't anything. Wolves have stronger spines than baboons, as stated before. As well as stronger jaw muscles and more stamina. And wolves also have faster reflexes, which mean a lot in a fight.
Posted @ Sunday, October 25, 2009 1:40 PM by MrAlien123456
I know the Gray Wolf is a species, i said that there are VERY SMALL SUBSPECIES OF GRAY WOLVES SUCH AS ARABIAN ONES. And please, provide a source for your claims, i already did so. Anyways, you still have to show evidence about the Wolf having jaws as strong as a Lion, lol pound for pound maybe: 
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20060206023403434C966073 
Orangutan>Wolf.
Posted @ Sunday, October 25, 2009 3:24 PM by Gianmario
I already provided sources for my claims from FIELD STUDIES done on Alaskan grey wolves. Where are your's? 
 
Posted @ Sunday, October 25, 2009 4:52 PM by MrAlien123456
Well, Oliver, I don’t know....... 
 
 
 
In my will, when I get older, I will write something like "If I were to be killed by a wild animal, let him/her be, and live on." Meaning that I will not hold a grudge against an animal that kills my loved one or me. I may hold anger towards that particular animal, however, I will not go bounty hunt the animal. I have been bitten by many, non-lethal animals before; however, I took it up like a man. I never told my parents about the bites. I never wanted them to make a big deal about it because I didn’t want the animal to ever be put in jeopardy or in the middle of an argument.  
 
Posted @ Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:02 PM by Mralien123456
Huh, great. I typed that whole thing on the wrong thread....... It was directed to another one....... I wish these things were removable.
Posted @ Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:07 PM by MrAlien123456
Gianmario-youare quite wrong about baboons being stronger than a wolf-they're not! A wolf is not the most overrated animal either-the lion is! Bears are actually King of the Jungle" as it were and are the largest predators on land and the strongest! 
 
This is about wolverines and baboons-in my opinion based on both animals and facts I compared against each other-the wolverine wins paws down!
Posted @ Monday, October 26, 2009 5:36 PM by ATTILA
Also, Gianmario, now you're going out of the premises and comparing every species of baboon and their close relatives to a single species of canid. The mandrill (not a baboon, but a close relative) was the largest monkey ever recorded, in history. Epicyon haydeni was the largest canid ever, reaching the size of a lion. That canind would obliterate a mandrill and a chimpanzee.......... Their jaws evolved exclusively for crushing bone, and they preferred to hunt large ungulates solo, rather than in a pack.
Posted @ Monday, October 26, 2009 11:40 PM by Mralein123456
Are you really sure a Mandrill is the largest monkey in history of life?? think again: 
http://blogs.scienceforums.net/evoanthro/2008/02/09/meet-an-ancestor-theropithecus-oswaldi/
Posted @ Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:39 AM by Gianmario
And still, the highest weigh it achieved was 220lbs. While Epicyon haydeni got the weight of a lion. It averaged at 200-300lbs, the weight of a lioness, but could get to a weight of 400lbs+. T. oswaldi got to a maximum weight of 220lbs, as stated in the article you're referring to.
Posted @ Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:43 AM by MrAlien123456
And actually Gianmario, I'm kind of minimizing down the size for your pleasure. Some articles list this species that could be the size of a bear or larger than a modern lion.
Posted @ Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:45 AM by MrAlien123456
i know epicyon would slaughter theropithecus, i was just correcting you on the mandrill being the largest monkey ever.
Posted @ Tuesday, October 27, 2009 7:36 AM by Gianmario
Also Mr Alien, there was the Bear dog(or amphicyonids)and Hyaenodon that were large canids. 
 
As for apes-the largest ever is Gigantopithecus The fossil record suggests that the Gigantopithecus blacki species were the largest apes that ever lived, standing up to 3 metres (9.8 ft) and weighing up to 540 kilograms (1,200 lb).[1][3][4] 
 
Posted @ Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:41 PM by ATTILA
Well actually, Attila, Hyaenadon was a Creodont. Creodonts weren't in the order Carnivora, but the Creodontia order of mammals, that went extinct a while ago. Bear dogs, were in their own family of Carnivorans. They weren’t true canids. They are a proposed link between canids and ursids, as canids are close relatives of ursids. Raccoons and relatives, mustelids, bears, bear-dogs, all seal families, and canids belong to the Suborder of Carnivorans, known as Caniformes, meaning "dog- like". Epicyon haydeni and saevus were actual true canids.
Posted @ Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:07 PM by MrAlien123456
Attila, a baboon is not stronger than a wolf?? it is: 
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/reddhole/HowtoBuildSuperPredatorChart001.jpg 
RI/HI is the humeral/radial ratio, shorter is it, stronger is the forelimb, the baboon scored 0.302, whilst the dingo (which is a subspecies of gray wolf) scored 0.298, the baboon has slightly stronger forelimbs than the wolf. 
TI/FI is the tibia/femur ratio, shorter is it, stronger is the hindlimb, the baboon scored 0.273, whilst the dingo scored 0.298, the baboon has far stronger hindlimbs than the wolf. 
Additionally, you can clearly see this in pictures: 
http://animalsneedkisses.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/baboon.jpg 
Look at the baboons' powerful limbs. 
http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/files/storyphotos/Gray_Wolf_copy.JPG 
The wolf's limbs look skinny in comparison to the baboon's. 
According to scientific studies, the wolf has weaker limbs than the cheetah, plus, they aren't flexible, unlike the baboons', the only advantage of the wolf at parity is its slightly stronger bite force, but that's all, a wolf is doomed against a baboon at parity.
Posted @ Friday, October 30, 2009 1:50 AM by Gianmario
i meant, the wolf has slightly stronger forelimbs than the baboon.
Posted @ Friday, October 30, 2009 1:54 AM by Gianmario
LOL, Gianmario. You are comparing a small subspecies of grey wolf to an olive or Chamaca baboon. You didn't even describe what species of baboon you're comparing the wolf to. An Alaskan grey wolf would kick a baboon's ass. Period.... A dingo is a smaller grey wolf subspecies. And it has many of the traits bred out of it that make a true wolf, a wolf, considering that dingoes were actually domestic dogs set wild in Australia, after being nominated as being too aggressive to be kept as companion animals. Also, the baboon's spine is not stronger than a wolf's. A wolf requires a stronger spine, to help it stand up to larger prey items n battle. A baboon cannot snap bones. Wolves have been proven to snap a moose femur in two in 4-8 bites. A baboon would have trouble even snapping a gazelle leg, with it's jaws. Also, since wolves have faster reflexes than baboons and more stamina, they can overwhelm them in a fight. 
 
Posted @ Friday, October 30, 2009 3:11 AM by MrAlien123456
"LOL, Gianmario. You are comparing a small subspecies of grey wolf to an olive or Chamaca baboon." 
No, i'm comparing a dingo to a yellow baboon in the study, they're about the same size. 
 
"An Alaskan grey wolf would kick a baboon's ass. Period...." 
LOL.  
 
"A baboon cannot crush bones" 
Source?? 
 
""A wolf requires a stronger spine, to help it stand up to larger prey items n battle." 
Source?? 
Posted @ Friday, October 30, 2009 7:29 AM by Gianmario
"The wolf does not chew its food, using its carnassials to scissor off a piece of meat that can then be swallowed in a manageable chunk. Having strong jaws allows the wolf to crush bones to get to the soft marrow, it also helps the wolf eat most of its prey leaving very little waste." 
 
 
 
Read this. It tells you very straight foward information that's NOT FROM WIKIPEDIA. 
 
Posted @ Friday, October 30, 2009 1:44 PM by MrAlien123456
http://www.wolfcountry.net/information/WolfObserved.html
Posted @ Friday, October 30, 2009 1:45 PM by MrAlien123456
And also, don’t accuse me of not liking primates. My favorite ape is the gorilla, my favorite monkeys are the capuchin, marmoset and night monkey species, and my favorite prosimian is between Darwinius, the brown lemur and the black-and-white ruffed lemur.
Posted @ Friday, October 30, 2009 3:17 PM by MrAlien123456
I never said you hated primates, i said you underrated them, anyways: 
the study i posted compares animals at parity, not overall, so you can't accuse me to use the dingo, a small subspecies of gray wolf. Oh and i missed the most important value, RI(Robusticity)in other words, the weight of the trunk if scaled at same size, the baboon scored 0.293, the dingo scored 0.158, in strength and toughness the wolf is doomed.
Posted @ Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:07 AM by Gianmario
 
 
Well, since I can't even access your link on the chart, it's kind of hard to believe even those estimates you gave out........ 
 
 
 
Also, again, has the baboon taken down prey items any larger than an antelope? NO. A caribou is a much more formidable foe than an antelope or baboon. And yet lone wolves have been recorded taking them down. All the wolf has to do is reach of to the baboon's spine and crush it with their jaws (obviously they have weaker bones than those of moose). 
 
Posted @ Saturday, October 31, 2009 4:08 AM by MrAlien123456
LOL  
 
Are you serious? Nails with damaging ability? Ha-ha! You make me cough up my two giant Swedish meatballs up from your ignorant comment. LOL, much stronger? Wolves have sharp dew claws that will rip the fuck out of the baboon. Has there been one documented case of a baboon even killing someone, besides a baby or killing an animal any larger than an antelope? No, because a baboon would scream for momma when someone comes out with an iron brand starts beating the baboon with it. A wolf would still be going at the person with the metal bar. There have been documented cases of lone wolves killing people. What about baboons? I don't see shit about them killing someone besides a baby..... 
 
 
 
Did a baboon ever accomplish this: 
 
 
 
 
 
http://blog.taragana.com/n/wolf-kills-eight-month-old-mauls-three-rescuers-203491/ 
 
 
 
“LUCKNOW - A wolf killed an eight-month-old boy and mauled three other people in an Uttar Pradesh village, officials said Thursday.  
 
The wolf, which had strayed into the Comparganj village in Uttar Pradesh’s Gorakhpur district, some 250 km from Lucknow, Wednesday killed the eight-month-old boy, who was sleeping outside his home along with his mother, an official said.  
 
The wolf grievously injured the mother and two other villagers, who tried to rescue the eight-month-old boy,” ranger R.K. Kannaujia told IANS over phone.  
 
The injured are being treated at a hospital. All of them are now out of danger,” he added.  
 
Forest officials have launched a massive search operation to trap the wolf, who is hiding in the village fields.  
 
For villagers’ safety, we have advised them to stay in groups and also remain armed with wooden sticks,” Kannaujia said.  
 
The wolf, unlike the tiger and leopard, is not susceptible to being drawn to bait of goats or buffalo. It, therefore, becomes difficult for us to catch the animal,” he added.  
 
According to officials, the wolf is an endangered species and is protected under the Wildlife Protection Act. However, the Act also gives the right to kill in self-defence if the animal poses a threat to the people.  
 
The state government provides for Rs.25,000 payment as compensation for families whose members become victims to wolf attacks.” 
 
 
 
 
 
Or this: 
 
 
 
http://www.wolfsongalaska.org/Wolves_South_Asia_man_eating.htm 
 
 
 
“Matters are still far from the disaster of 1878, when British officials in this area recorded 624 human killings by wolves. But fear is pervasive. Men stay awake all night, keeping vigil with antique rifles and staves. Mothers keep children from the fields, and infants are kept inside all day.” 
 
 
 
 
 
Or this: 
 
 
 
http://www.bitterroot.com/grizzly/WOLVES3.HTML 
 
 
 
Documented Wolf Attacks  
 
 
 
"History and current events fail to support the U.S. Fish and Wildlife "harmless wolf" position. The irrefutable John James Audubon in his 1830 book, The Quadrupeds of North America, reported an attack by a pack of wolves on two men travelling through Kentucky in winter. They killed one man, while the other escaped up a tree.  
 
The Saint Paul Daily Globe (March 8, 1888) reported that a pack of wolves surrounded a farmer and his son and literally ate them alive  
 
The Kingston Wig Standard, Ontario, Canada reported that on April 20, 1996, a group of wolves killed and severely mangled Patricia Woman, a wildlife reserve employee. Constable Ron Buchanan in an interview said, "Officers called to the scene had to kill three wolves to get to the body."  
 
The August, 28, 1996 Pittsburgh Post Gazette reported, "On August 18, the Devanthal family was camping near a remote lake in Algonquin Provential Park. At 2 am, twelve-year-old Zach awoke the rest of the family screaming. Jagged gashes bisected his cheeks under both eyes, while other wounds gushed blood into his sleeping bag. While Zach slept, a wolf attacked and dragged him, clamping its jaws around Zach's face so tightly that its canine teeth penetrated his cheekbone and broke his nose in five places. In the week after the attack, two campers were forced from their campsites by ravaging wolves."  
 
The New York Times recorded that wolves killed 33 children and seriously mauled 20 others in Uttar Pradesh, India from April to September 1996. British officials recorded 624 human killings by wolves in this area in 1878. The Associated Press reported "In one year alone, during the 1980s, more than 100 deaths were attributed to wolves in India."  
 
The Game Director of Iran, Rashid Jarnsheed, a U.S. trained biologist, in his book, Big Game Animals of Iran, states that for over a thousand years, wolves have been reported to attack and kill humans. Mr. Jarnsheed asserted, "They grow bold in wintertime, when game is scarce, and will enter a town in broad daylight to attack people, with many cases of wolves running off with small children." Pierre Roudil, in the 1984 book Fear of the Wolf, wrote, " Wolves were a constant threat in France, killing livestock, and humans unable to defend themselves: children, the aged, and the infirm."  
 
Posted @ Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:57 AM by MrAlien123456
HAHAHAHHA!!! And you think the baboon would not react?? You think it would just implore mercy like a wimp?? Lol, the baboon has pretty much every advantage, its much stronger(view data above), more aggressive, with larger canines, slightly weaker jaws, hands and flexible limbs, grappling power, nails with damaging ability, what else?? The wolf is dead meat in front of the baboon.
Posted @ Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:59 AM by Gianmario
listen to yourself, you have such a low estimation of baboons, you think everything could destroy a baboon, most likely you think a wolf would pulverize a baboon just by touching it, lol or maybe with its sight. 
wolves have no way to use their claws, they're limbs are to rigid to actually grab, wrestle and damage an animal, baboons have this ability, not only they have flexible limbs, they also have nails that act much like claws compared to those of hominids.  
do you know how powerful a big male baboon is?? do you know how strong they bite?? could i give you an example?? 
http://i36.tinypic.com/2uz7cqq.png 
Papio sp. has thicker molar enamel than Gorilla gorilla, do you know what this means?? this means they have the ability to eat tougher foods, and gorillas themselves, eat bamboo, which, in some parts of Asia is used to build houses, do you imagine how strong would a baboon bite?? do you know intimidating a baboon is?? i posted tons and tons of evidence, you ignored, laughing at my statements. 
"Baboons are known as the most vicious of the apes. This, as with the leopard and the cape buffalo, is not because of some innate lust to wreck mayhem on all sides. Rather; it is because the baboon defends itself so well, and the baboon has the most powerful jaws of all apes, with perhaps the exception of the gorilla." 
http://www.balaams-ass.com/yarn/baboons.htm 
Posted @ Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:25 PM by Gianmario
And I'm supposed to believe a site that calls baboons apes? Hahaha 
 
 
 
Old World Monkeys= Baboons, macaques, mangabeys, and vervet monkeys 
 
 
 
Great Apes= Gorillas, chimpanzees, and orangutans 
 
 
 
Lesser Apes= Gibbons and siamungs 
 
 
 
 
 
And, BTW, I don't have low estimations for primates. I know a gorilla can kill a leopard if managed to get a well placed blow. I know their bite is as strong as that of a brown bear's or a tiger's. The outcome would be a 50/50 chance. The leopard has agility, and the gorilla exhibits strength. 
 
 
 
And no, I never said everything can destroy a baboon, yet you don't know their limits. You make it like they're top predator of Africa. Those titles belong to hyenas, lions and crocodiles. And just because a baboon has thicker molar enamel than a gorilla doesn’t mean it has stronger jaw muscles. A gorilla has a bite of 1300PSI. A baboon has a bite around 400 or so. Thicker enamel doesn't give you stronger jaws. Baboons don't have a sagittal crest. Sagittal crests also increase the amount of bite force an animal exerts. Canines, felines, other Carnivorans, tapirs and apes all of sagittal crests. A baboon doesn't. Even powerful carnivorous dinosaurs, with powerful jaws, possessed well pronounced sagittal crests, like the Tyrannosaurus spp. Some baboon species ay posses sagittal crest, but the crest seems to be less visible in larger species.
Posted @ Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:53 PM by MrAlien123456
where i did say, baboons were the top predators of Africa?? gosh i know they aren't, i just said they can kill a cheetah easily at parity, they hold most of the advantages. obviously that site made a typing error, and meant that was relative to size.  
baboons don't have a sagittal crest??  
http://www.skullsite.co.uk/Mandrill/mandrill_lat.jpg 
what is that bony shelf?? bony eyebrows?? lol that's a sagittal crest. 
compare it to this: 
http://www.skullsite.co.uk/Wolf/wolf_su_lat.jpg 
look at how big the mandrill's canines are, they make the wolf's look like those of a kitten, and by those pic, you realize that the mandrill's canines are NOT skinny.  
a baboon/mandrill/drill/gelada would murder a cheetah, any serious expert would tell you that, cheetahs are weak, fragile, their claws are not retractile, the teeth are small, and the jaws weak. the only way a cheetah would damage a baboon is with its dewclaws which are large and sharp, but that's all, a bite from a baboon would send a cheetah to even, so where's your argument in favor of the cheetah?? and the wolf itself, at parity, what advantages does it have??  
 
Mandrill: 
- much larger canines. 
- flexible limbs. 
- far more powerfully built. 
- more intimidating. 
 
Wolf: 
- slightly stronger jaws. 
- more stamina. 
 
and that's it. 
the flexible limbs are useful to grab, pin, wrestle an opponent, getting in a position for a killing bite, a wolf doesn't have this ability, a baboon does.  
about the cheetah, its such a mismatch, both against baboon and wolf.  
 
Mandrill: 
- stronger jaws. 
- much larger canines. 
- flexible limbs. 
- far more powerfully built. 
- more intimidating. 
- more stamina. 
- more aggressive. 
 
Cheetah: 
- more agile. 
*CRICKETS*
Posted @ Monday, November 02, 2009 12:30 AM by Gianmario
LOL. Again Gianmario, you are comparing a smaller Dingo, that had years of being bred by humans against a giant wild primate. A mandrill and a gelada, first of all, are not baboons. Any baboon fanboy would know that. They are related to them, but that doesn't mean they are baboons. And again, you are comparing the statistics from a dingo to a mandrill, which is heavier than the dingo. The dingo WAS a domestic dog that was released into Australia, if you didn't know that. In fact the binomial name of the dingo is Canis lupis familiaris dingo, not just Canis lupus dingo, because Dingo was a supposedly breed of dog. An Alaskan grey wolf doesn’t just have a mandrill outmatched by stamina, and jaw strength, but by size and weight 
 
 
 
Now, could a baboon kill a female elk by itself, without support from its troop? 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8wrtk_4rLQ&feature=related 
 
 
 
Hell no....... 
 
Posted @ Monday, November 02, 2009 2:40 PM by MrAlien123456
largest prey taken has NO effect on who will win in a fight.  
i'm not comparing a mandrill to a dingo, i'm comparing a mandrill to a wolf at same size, where i think the mandrill would win, and against a cheetah, easily win.  
so where's your argument?? aside from the pathetic "hunting account" argument, which is useless in a fight.
Posted @ Monday, November 02, 2009 11:44 PM by Gianmario
You still haven't given me an explanation for why you are going so far out of the genus of true baboons to try and denote a wolf, despite them managing to kill larger animals than baboons or mandrills do, as lone animals.
Posted @ Tuesday, November 03, 2009 1:48 AM by MrAlien123456
fighting is different from hunting, its like saying a leopard, which preys on Elands, will kill a lion which is smaller than an eland.  
so, outline your case for the cheetah, gosh just look at the respective skulls, look at the canines, a baboon owns a cheetah also in strength. and, i would say this for the last time, that study compared animals scaled at the same size, a dingo may have smaller teeth, weaker jaws, smaller brain etc. but its similar in built to a NA or european gray wolf, so the baboon is pound for pound stronger than the wolf.
Posted @ Tuesday, November 03, 2009 6:34 AM by Gianmario
Leopards hardly kill adult bull elands, and they only can if they get the first jump on their back and then suffocate them, otherwise, in a head on battle, a leopard would be destroyed. Lions cannot climb, and cannot get a fresh start at an eland. However, a head n battle with a wolf and baboon will result in the wolf winning 8-9/10xs. You seem to not understand that baboons have a canine-like build, as they both have a similar skeletal format. The jumping abilities of felines are not just found in their muscles, but their skeletons too. Baboons have a similar skeletal structure to a wolf.  
 
 
 
http://www.1902encyclopedia.com/A/APE/ape-fig18.jpg 
 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/WolfSkelLyd1.png\ 
 
 
 
The baboon may have the advantage if the fight started from the wolf’s backside, because the baboon has a grappling advantage, but in a head on battle, the wolf will win almost all of the time. 
 
Posted @ Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:38 AM by MrAlien123456
hahahhahahahahhaha, lol lol lol.  
yes, maybe if it has a 50 lb size advantage but at same size... 
dead wolf.
Posted @ Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:39 PM by Gianmario
you seem not to understand, that a wolf is much less robust than a baboon and it has the advantage only at avg size, at same size it would lose like 80% times, the baboon has nearly every advantage, wolves are so overrated. so where's your argument in favor of the wolf at parity?? haha, you don't have one, cause u think a wolf can defeat a baboon just by looking it in its eyes. you think the baboon is a wimpy pushover, whilst the wolf is some kind of god.
Posted @ Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:44 PM by Gianmario
Ha-ha, Gianmario, I see pure frustration coming out. You are covering it up with laughs. And no, the wolf is not the most overrated animal on the planet; the lion is, as stated by Attila. It seems like YOU are the individual that thinks baboons are Gods. You even went as far as to use mandrills in your defense, when a knowledgeable person would know that mandrills aren’t even baboons. Again 
 
 
 
Alaskan grey wolf< Baboon 
 
 
 
Epicyon haydeni< Theropithecus oswaldi and mandrill 
 
 
 
And again, Theropithecus oswaldi, nor the gelada are baboons. 
 
 
 
You are comparing everything you got from the family of Old World monkeys so I have my backup of other, larger canids that would kill a mandrill with ease. 
 
 
 
The Dire wolf, the Beringian wolf, Epicyon haydeni, and quite a few others….. 
 
 
 
And I don't worship the wolf; I worship the crocodile. 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted @ Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:55 PM by MrAlien123456
so where's your argument in favor of the wolf at same size?? 
i know mandrills are not baboons, they're closer to mangabeys. i'm using the mandrill because there is only one species known as mandrill and 5 species known as baboons.  
c'mon, what's your argument for the wolf against a similar sized mandrill??
Posted @ Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:39 AM by Gianmario
oh and there's my argument in favor of the olive baboon against the wolverine, quite simply the baboon is much larger: 
olive baboon - 24 kg (M), 14.7 kg (F) (wild) 
 
http://pin.primate.wisc.edu/factsheets/entry/olive_baboon 
 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:54 AM by Gianmario
A WOLVERINE IS BUILT LIKE A BEAR! A wolverine has jaws that are strong enough to crush frozen meat and bones, which are tougher than any food that a baboon would ever encounter. The wolverine has dagger- sharp claws that can gut any baboon that comes close enough to it. The wolverine also has thicker bones and muscles in their shoulders and limbs. Wolverines have been known to kill Eurasian lynxes, which have a great size advantage over them (growing to almost the size of a grey wolf). And also, wolverine males can average 18-40lbs, and there were some documented specimens reaching 70lbs and over. Even though the wolverine has no opposable digits, it still has stronger limbs than the baboon. It’s the same case with a lion or a tiger. Despite them having no opposable digits, they still have strong enough limbs to shatter an average human’s ribcage. 
 
 
 
http://www.theanimalfiles.com/mammals/carnivores/wolverine.html 
 
 
 
http://library.thinkquest.org/3500/Wolverine.html 
 
 
 
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/wolverine.html 
 
 
 
http://www.saskschools.ca/~gregory/animals/wolverine.html 
 
 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:25 AM by MrAlien123456
At same size of course a Wolverine would slaughter a Baboon of any species, and also a Mandrill or Drill, but the Baboon has a lot of size advantage, enough to make a difference. 
I still wait an argument for the Wolf against a SIMILAR SIZED Baboon or Mandrill.  
Posted @ Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:24 AM by Gianmario
Against a baboon of similar size, it wil be a 50/50 chance and against a mandrill of simialr size it would be a 7/10 chance, in favor of the mandrill. Happy?
Posted @ Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:32 PM by MrAlien123456
We agree then.
Posted @ Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:49 PM by Gianmario
I think that these two animals are actually quite evenly matched. One interesting characteristic of both species is that they have a very loose skin which greatly hinders their opponent to get a firm grip on their body, either with one's jaws or with one's paws. The baboon has the weight advantage, whereas the wolverine has its long and very effectively used claws. Both are extremely strong for their size, and both are willing to fight furiously if necessary. I may add that the wolverine is indeed capable of crushing bones, but this is done by its molars (which play little role in a fight), rather than by its canines or incisors.
Posted @ Friday, November 06, 2009 3:22 AM by Balazs
Actually Balazs, the thing about wolverines is that they don't just have aggressiveness and powerful jaws on their side, but also they have extremely sharp claws and stronger forelimbs than a baboon. They have very thick bones and have more stamina as well, and have been known to travel fifteen miles per day in search of food. A long trek for an animal that's much smaller than a human. Also, wolverines, despite them using their molars to crush bone, and not in a fight, they still have a stronger canine bite force than a baboon. Also, since the wolverine is lower to the ground, it could use its dagger sharp claws to reach into the baboon’s abdominal region and gut him.
Posted @ Friday, November 06, 2009 7:44 PM by MrAlien123456
Beign lower to the ground is an advantage a wolverine has against the lynxes and wolves that it competes with, and has been known to kill lynxes larger than themselves.
Posted @ Friday, November 06, 2009 7:46 PM by MrAlien123456
The fight goes to whoever has more fight in them-the most aggressive, which in this case is the Wolverine. It has more of a fighting disposition and aggressive nature, therefore it would win.
Posted @ Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:22 PM by ATTILA
I would also add to Gianmario who seems to have something against either wolves or canids, that a common DOG can kill a baboon as is noted by locals in africa. They send out the dog to get the baboon so they can use the baboon to find water for them, but they have to reign in their dog with verbal commands, because they have killed them.
Posted @ Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:27 PM by ATTILA
Well, the wolverine's fighting disposition is well known, but I doubt if an adult male olive baboon is in any sense inferior in that respect. Wm. Hornaday, director of the New York Zoological Park for long time, wrote that male baboons, and particularly the East African ones, are probably the most aggressive and dangerous mammals per pound he had ever known. 
 
 
 
I do think that the wolverine's claws would be a definite advantage, but we should not underestimate neither the baboon's aggressiveness nor its ability to inflict serious damage. See the following stories: 
 
 
 
Somehow the dogs got out and Flop [a pointer dog] chased one up a tree. It was a big male baboon. Although Martin shouted at her to "Heel!", she ignored him, too excited to obey. The baboon raced down the tree and jumped on her back, sinking its fangs into her. She fought and bit for all she was worth and hung on, shaking the baboon like a rat. A baboon's skin is very loose, so that it can actually turn around INSIDE it. That's what it did. It got a hold on her throat, severing her jugular vein. Martin tried desperately to shoot the baboon, but the fight was too fierce and he was afraid of shooting his dog. He eventually got a shot in and pulled Flop off the baboon. Blood was pumping out of her jugular and she was covered in bite marks. She had a huge tear from the back of one ear to the back of the other, right across her head. She was happy though, standing and panting and smiling at her victory. I got a frantic call to bring ice. When I found them, Martin was pinching the jugular closed, blood pouring all over his hands. The closest vet was an hour's drive from us, along terrible roads. We were told not to bother, that she'd be dead long before we arrived. We went anyway. Flop made it to the vet. She was put on 2 drips, given 74 stitches and kept in for three weeks. It was close, she nearly didn't make it.  
 
http://www.petsplace.co.za/floppy.htm 
 
 
 
Note that an uninjured baboon that actually comes down from a safe tree to attack a dog must be really quite aggressive.:)  
 
 
 
See also this: 
 
http://www.luckyhit.net/anatflin.htm  
 
 
 
On the other hand, I strongly disagree with the idea that a baboon might try, let alone manage, to prevent the wolverine from biting it by grabbing its jaws. Never did anyone observe such behavior among primates, and if a baboon would ever try to do so, all what it could achieve would be its hand being bitten. Nor do baboons punch their opponents. On the other hand, they seem to be more focused on tearing the throat or neck of their opponent than chimps or gorillas.
Posted @ Monday, November 09, 2009 8:36 PM by Balazs
Yes Balazs, they are aggressive, but a wolverine is also lower to the ground than a baboon, giving it a better reach to the belly of the monkey with its claws. The canine bite force of the wolverine is also more than that of a baboon’s. The baboon may have longer canines, but that doesn't mean it has a stronger canine bite force. The wolverine has very thick bones and can sustain a lot of damage. A wolverine is built like a bear, literally, except with sharper claws and a more aggressive disposition. The wolverine would win 8/10xs.
Posted @ Monday, November 09, 2009 9:36 PM by MrAlien123456
And also, if you include domestic dogs in this fight (they are wolves; after all), any of the mastiff species would win almost any round with a baboon. They are stouter and have a bigger build than a wolf, with a lot more muscle. And yes, I am aware about their loose skin, and people usually associate them as lazy, sleepy, fat, dogs that don't do anything, yet my mastiff is always on alert, and will jump at our front door when someone tries to come in, like a solicitor or some stupid business person. Also, if you feed your mastiff right and give him a lot of exercise, they gain a lot of muscle and I have felt my dog's thighs and buttocks (not to sound like an individual who practices zoophilia), to make sure he doesn't gain any fat on him, and they are all muscle. So, if you exclude domestic dogs from this fight, it's not fair, because they are technically a subspecies of grey wolf. I could do the same with a whole baboon species and then what would all of the baboon fan boys say?
Posted @ Monday, November 09, 2009 9:53 PM by MrAlien123456
LOL, I'm sorry. I sound so stupid. I meant Mastiff breeds, not species. LOLZ!
Posted @ Monday, November 09, 2009 10:47 PM by MrAlien123456
Hey, a mastiff is bigger than any ordinary male baboon, so this is not a fair comparison.  
 
 
 
As for the fighting methods of baboons, it may be interesting to have a look at the following study: 
 
 
 
In fights, males use their canines in a slashing rather than biting motion. This contrasts with fights among females and juveniles were biting and holding the opponent with closed yaws was common. Males used their muzzle both to strike at the opponent and to fend off the opponent's blows. Contestants remained quadrupedal during fights, but used single hands to slap the opponent, sometimes sweeping its forelimbs away thus inducing a loss of balance. ... Superficially, male baboon fights resemble carnivore fights in that canines are also used as both an offensive and defensive structure and in that sweeping in a judo-like fashion is a component of the interaction (e.g. wolf pups Canis lupus: Havkin & Fentress, 1985). 
 
In agreement with this study, in olive baboons the wounds on females (and aggressive bites between juveniles of both sexes) concentrate on the back and tail, whereas the wounds on adult males are mostly on anterior body parts, particularly on the face (Owens, 1975; also rhesus macaques Macaca mulatta: Hausfater, 1972). The proportion of wounds on the head of male yellow baboons (42%) was similar to that found in olive baboon males (51 %, Owens, 1975). In contrast to yellow baboons, however, wounds on the back and body flanks were not uncommon in adult male olive baboons (Owens, 1975). The location of injuries in male hamadryas baboons (Papio hamadryas) differs from that of yellow baboons, in that most injuries are inflicted on the hands and forearms despite the fact that most bites in that species are aimed at the neck (Kummer, 1968, p. 49). The high incidence of wounds on the head of yellow baboon males could suggest that canine blows are targeted mainly at the head. This distribution, however, results more likely from the fact that blows are fended off with the muzzle, thus exposing the head to injury. In aggressive play, male juvenile baboons (but not female juveniles) bite the neck of the opponent more than any other region of the body. 
 
Source: 
 
CONTEXTS AND PATTERNS OF INJURIES IN FREE-RANGING MALE BABOONS (PAPIO CYNOCEPHALUS) by CARLOS DREWS 1,2) (Department of Zoology, University of Cambridge, Cambridge, UK) 
 
 
 
This seems to indicate that both baboons and wolverines are inclined to focus their bites at the neck, throat and/or head of their opponent, and both also know how to defend themselves against such bites. On the other hand, the baboon does seem to lack an instinctive defense tactic against the wolverine's claws. Thus the question is which role the wolverine's claws would play in the fight. Wolverines usually use their claws by laying on their back and raking upwards to slash the opponent's soft underbelly. This is primarily a defensive mechanism, however, and it works most effectively against opponents which seek to grab the wolverine and pin it down with their superior weight. If the baboon tried to do so, it would of course expose its chest and belly, but if its offensive methods would be based primarily on slashing bites without grappling with the wolverine, this may somewhat lessen the effect of the claws. A single successful bite on the neck or the throat, if it damages the jugular vein or the windpipe, may kill any of the opponents. I think the wolverine would probably try to get a firm hold over the baboon's throat, whereas the baboon would fight with quickly repeated slashing bites.
Posted @ Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:56 PM by Balazs
that gianmario dude is messed up what would really happen(in vivid detail!)is the baboon would be eating and the wolverine would sneak up and try to steal the food the baboon would show its teeth angering the wolverine so the wolverine would keep trying and finally the baboon would pounce. the wolverine will quickly latch on to the baboons reaching arm. the baboon would reel in pain and then the wolveine would jump onto its head and neck and start strangling the baboon. the baboon would try but fail to remove the wolverine. maybe it could if it was larger. finally the wolverine will bite the baboons throat and shove its large claws into the baboon until it stops moving.And mr.alien i have to correct you, canadian and alsakan wolves have the most mucular thickest build of any canid followed extremly closely by the mastiff. I also know how the wolverine attacks because i saw a video where a wolf kills a wolverine and the wolverine wraps its neck up (it dies by a deadly spine breaking blow).
Posted @ Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:02 PM by kenneth
I've got nothing against canids, but wolves are totally overrated its seems they can beat everything. 
mastiffs are more muscled up than wild wolves for sure. 
mr.alien, show your source saying baboons get killed frequently by dogs and the other stuff.
Posted @ Friday, November 13, 2009 2:45 AM by Gianmario
You know what really pisses me off?? the fact that ppl (and i'm not referring to you) discount baboons because they are monkeys, read for ex. this foolish claim on yahoo answers: 
 
"Okay, look. A baboon is a monkey. A MONKEY. Even if it has a stick like Rafiki, it is no match for a wolf. And running away or escaping, it should be noted, does not count as winning. 
 
Think about it. The wolf has: sharp teeth, powerful jaws, claws, it's fast, and it has very good senses. 
 
The baboon has: a coloful rear end. 
 
How could the wolf fail to beat such an unworthy adversary? 
 
------- 
Oh, come on. I am shocked that so many people support the baboon. Honestly, a baboon is not a match for a predator like a wolf, by itself or not. That wolf will SHRED the baboon!!!" 
 
This kind of ignorance is really annoying.  
 
Posted @ Friday, November 13, 2009 6:44 AM by Gianmario
First of all Gianmnario, I didn't say that statement; Attila did. Also, I have not heard of one documented case of a single male baboon, or even a pack of baboons killing people, while I have come across quite a few cases of wolves giving little massacres on towns and villages.
Posted @ Friday, November 13, 2009 2:09 PM by MrAlien123456
U r right sorry, Attila said that.
Posted @ Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:13 AM by Gianmario
Attila you seem to be biased towards dogs more than i am biased towards baboons. Some of your claims: 
"the grey wolf average is more like 150 lbs" 
bullshit, the largest wolves weigh like that, and the record sized one was a few lb larger than that.  
"and even a 40 lb canid would kill a baboon" 
you must be kidding, most baboon (papio) species are a lot heavier than 40 lb, a 60 lb olive baboon would rightfully kill any 40 lb wolf.  
"just look at how dogs do-they hate monkeys and will kill them on site" 
i hate some wwe wrestlers and ufc fighters but i can't kill them. 
"Lucky for the big cats that canines are 3-5 times smaller-if they were of equal size, they would be treeing the big cats just as they do to house cats." 
ahahhahhahahh, i can't believe you just said this, felines are superior to equally sized canids and monkeys, they have four powerful limbs and razor sharp claws. 
"canines in general are the most brutal, viscious animals there is-despite their size" 
that's a joke, mustelids are.  
 
its interesting that you consider canids some kind of vicious monsters and baboons some kind of wimps imploring mercy, you are a delusional dog fanboy. 
Posted @ Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:31 AM by Gianmario
ATTILA, you are the most pathetic and delusional dog fanboy that i ever seen based on what you say. 
a big cat would kill a similar sized canid easily, you underestimated primates saying a primate is no match for a similar sized canid, which is complete bullshit, so retire in your little room with thousands of dog posters and worship them for yourself.
Posted @ Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:47 AM by Gianmario
Well, Gianmario, that depends on what you're talking about. A wolf has a much higher chance of killing a cheetah (much lighter build and is very streamlined); however, I do not consider cheetahs and cougars big cats. It's speculated that the cheetah evolved form the serval, and the cougar has similar relations with the lynx. However, the jaguarundi is the closet living relative to the cougar. The cougar is pretty much the largest of the "small cats". And humans are primates, and a dog the same size as them would fuck them up. :P 
 
I mean, German shepherds are about 2-3xs smaller than the bad guys they chase after and they still usually manage to knock and pin down the thug with force from their charges. 
 
Posted @ Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:59 AM by MrAlien123456
However, dholes are pretty powerful canids. They are about the size of a beagle, yet packs of them have been known to kill water buffalos and one pack has been reported to kill a baby Asian elephant that was being guarded by its mother. However, I do agree with you that a typical felid is stronger, pound for pound, than a typical canid. In fact I would say felids tie in second place with mustelids, as the strongest Carnivorans, pound for pound, after bears.
Posted @ Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:46 AM by MrAlien123456
Gianmario-you are the fanboy, emphasis on boy. Canids are more brutal and viscious than are felines. Have you ever seen a dog attack? I have-been attacked before. Also, a person on animal planet who got attacked by a cougar was attacked by a dog and said they were at first more afraid of being attacked by the cougar but after the initial attack, was more "deathly afraid" when being attacked by the dog who mauled her severely. A big cat will back down when dominance is established, dogs will fight beyond that. Yes, a 40 lb Red/Blue heeler will kill a baboon, other dogs are able to as well. 
 
You are quite uneducated at best, if you knew anything of primates at all, you would know they aviod dogs as the african locals use dogs to catch them and they kill them (baboons) when their owners/handlers don't get them under control in time. You need to learn a bit more son before shooting off that big mouth of yours. MrAlien123456 is quite right in his assertion that a dog the same size of the big cats would fuck them up-they absolutely would-dogs have tremendous heart and a fighting spirit, whereas most big cats will look for a way out of the conflict. Don't believe it? Watch big cat diaries.
Posted @ Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:04 PM by ATTILA
So that's your argument?? "heart and fighting spirit"?? lol. 
Cats have four powerful limbs and retractile claws, and you favor dogs against them because they have "heart and fighting spirit"?? 
You watched to much DBZ and Naruto if you think mere "heart and fighting spirit" could beat the razor sharp claws and powerful limbs of cats, lol. I don't think Mr.Alien is so dumb to think so.
Posted @ Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:07 AM by Gianmario
My arguement is that the most aggressive animal more willing to combat will win-thats how canids are-and tehy have just as powerful limbs as do felines and some even more. there are some breeds of dogs unlike cats, that have a genetic deformity called "double muscling" bovines have this trait as well, felines do not. xtremepitbulls.com has dogs with more muscle than any cat! Also, canids have great jaws and teeth as well. I base my assertions of facts, unlike a fanboy like yourself-try researching before spouting off untruths as though you know-it-all and your information will be more receptive to us fellow readers/posters.
Posted @ Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:48 PM by ATTILA
LOL, they have limbs as powerful as felines?? yes, but they can't flex them and use them in a fight, and additionally, they don't posses the claws of a feline. 
no wild canid is as powerfully built as a jaguar or clouded leopard, you should accept this dog worshiper.
Posted @ Sunday, November 15, 2009 11:49 PM by Gianmario
And about baboons, if there are records of dogs killing baboons, there are also records of baboons killing dogs: 
 
http://books.google.com/books?id=78t26HxwqjoC&pg=PA219&dq=far+more+formidable+weapons+than+any+dog#v=onepage&q=far%20more%20formidable%20weapons%20than%20any%20dog&f=false 
 
Now go to your room and cry on your dog posters, little dog worshiper.
Posted @ Sunday, November 15, 2009 11:53 PM by Gianmario
It is a bit difficult to predict how a single isolated male baboon would act if confronted with a powerful and aggressive dog, because baboons live in groups, and thus the males usually gain encouragement from the presence of other males, while the need to defend the females and juveniles induces them to take quite high risks. Still, there are many recorded cases of baboons boldly confronting dogs, hyenas and even leopards. Only lions are invariably given a wide berth.
Posted @ Monday, November 16, 2009 1:25 AM by Balazs
Some info about baboons vs. dogs: 
 
 
 
Once I rode in the rear of a party of Zulus who, with a pack of mongrel dogs, were on their way to  
 
endeavour to cut off a troop of baboons on a neighbouring hillside. Some of the dogs', scenting the baboons, became excited and rushed from the cover  
 
of the scrub, under shelter of which it was hoped the baboons could have been approached and cut  
 
off from their retreat. The natives, with hoarse yells of execration, tried to run down the baboons. Some of the dogs lost all sense of caution in their  
 
excitement, and rushed ahead at the retreating troop. Four big hairy male baboons immediately  
 
fell to the rear, retreating slowly. When the dogs were within a few paces of them they, with one  
 
accord, swung round and each seized a dog. It was all done so rapidly, systematically, and withal so cunningly, that the dogs were taken quite by surprise. I saw the victims partially raised from the ground, then gripped with the terrible dagger-like fangs, and next instant they were impotently kicking and struggling on the ground. All this took but a few seconds of time, and before the other dogs had come to close quarters, the baboons had  
 
made off and joined the troop. Once again they made a stand, but the remaining dogs were too  
 
wary to be caught, and contented themselves by barking furiously.  
 
 
 
The baboon does not bite after the manner of most other animals. The victim is gripped with the hands, the great canine teeth are driven home in the flesh, and with a tremendous heave the body of the victim is thrust away from the jaws, the sharp-edged canine teeth cutting through the flesh like a knife. These teeth are specially evolved for the purpose, the cutting edge being at the back.  
 
 
 
I once saw a wounded male baboon pick up a pointer dog, and with a single bite completely rip open its abdomen, so that its bowels protruded. These warrior males are terrible antagonists when  
 
brought to bay, and an unarmed man in the grip of one stands no chance of victory, for if his throat is not immediately torn out, he would soon be otherwise crippled.  
 
 
 
In response to the warning cries, a troop of baboons which had  
 
been busily engaged digging up bulbs on the veld, made with the greatest haste for an adjacent stony hill. The dogs of our party gave chase, and we followed as fast as the uneven nature of the ground would permit a horse to travel. The baboons reached the foot of the hill safely, and scattered among the boulders. Three of the dogs foolishly  
 
followed, and when almost out of breath with the unusual exertion of running uphill amongst a mass  
 
of boulders and loose stones, they were set upon by the leaders of the baboon troop. On our arrival  
 
some little time later one dog was found to be disembowelled, another's thigh was torn to shreds, and a third had a horrible wound on his shoulder.  
 
 
 
Source: THE NATURAL HISTORY  
 
OF SOUTH AFRICA by 
 
F. W. FITZSIMONS, F.Z.S., F.R.M.S., &c.  
 
DIRECTOR, PORT ELIZABETH MUSEUM  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted @ Monday, November 16, 2009 3:20 AM by Balazs
so cuz a wolverine scares off bears that makes it a good fighter? primates are always incredibly strong and very good at fighting. All theyre predators are bigger than them, a baboon would have no problem fighting something smaller than it. it would be good match, but the baboon has thumbs on all four limbs, is pretty strong, and of course has those teeth
Posted @ Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:57 AM by youranidiot
Actually, youranidiot, you have not even recognized that a wolverine has much thicker bones, stronger jaws (can crush FROZEN flesh and bone), extremely sharp claws, is more aggressive, and has been known to take prey items larger than itself. All mustelids are extremely strong for their size. Ferrets have been used to hunt rabbits larger than themselves, stoats, which are very small mustelids, smaller than ferrets, can hunt rabbits with ease, then there is the honey badger, whose known to confront lions, leopards and hyenas with their fierce temper, and quick reflexes, and kill venomous snakes like cobras with ease, and there was even a video on YouTube of a honey badger killing a monitor lizard that was larger than itself. The wolverine is a powerful animal, and many people think just because the baboon has a long canines, it means that they have a stronger canine bite force than animals such has a wolverine. 
 
 
 
If you really think about it, you could compare a wolverine to an extremely small, aggressive bear, since it has the build of a bear, with the exception of its much sharper claws that it uses efficiently in combat.
Posted @ Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:18 PM by MrAlien123456
I agree with you, MrAlien123456-the wolverine is too much for the baboon. The wolverine is a lone fighter who doesn't rely on anything other than itself-UNLIKE the baboon who needs the support of its troop to gain courage which is quickly lost when its opponant surprises it-then it turns tail and flees the battle-much the same way as inner-city thug wanna-be punks(guess sometimes man doesnt differ from apes all that much)point is, the wolverine is more commited to doing battle and pursuing it than the baboon who when things don't go as expected in the beggining lose all stomach for violence but take flight over fight-therefore the baboon would lose in the end.
Posted @ Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:59 AM by ATTILA
GREAT ATTILA, YOU INSULTED BABOONS CALLING THEM PUNKS. 
*CLAP* *CLAP* ITS OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE AN ANTI-BABOON.  
THEN YOU WORSHIP CANIDS.  
And yes, a baboon needs to be at least twice the size of a wolverine to be able to kill it.
Posted @ Wednesday, December 09, 2009 5:49 AM by Gianmario
Don't be juvenile, I was comparing them in attack behavior to inner city thug/punks-I would not call any animal that, its absurd. I don't worship canids, I know they are severely underestimated because we are used to them and see them everyday, so we limit their capabilities just because of our own pets, or like "Marley and Me", when the fact is, is that they have a darker, more brutal side-they kill over 200 Americans each year, they are a powerful and naturally agressive species. To call me "anti-baboon" is preposterous-I gave you viable reasons as to why I think one would lose to a wolverine, and its backed up by studies, but also are your points, the fact is, is that its a hypothetical question, and I've answered it, stating my opinions-I like all animals and have respect for them all, and i certainly do not hate baboons, I used to go and watch them at the 
 
zoo and found them to be more interesting than most other primates.
Posted @ Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:55 PM by ATTILA
Ok. wolverine, baboon. Do Baboons come from Ohio? This is not even close. By the way the picture illistrated is a new species.Lets refer it as a Baberine or a Wolboon.Typically thrives in suburbs in Northern Ohio.
Posted @ Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:26 PM by
Wolverine invented the word vicious. The baboon could not grab a wolverine without having his fingers chewed off. One on one, a wolverine can easily defeat a wolf or a lynx. I just cannot see how a big monkey could do any better.
Posted @ Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:56 AM by Toby Ross
A Wolverine is probably the most viscious animal pound for pound. The same obviously can not be said for the baboon.Imagine a collective war between 10 wolverines and 10 baboons. It would be over in less than 5 minutes.The winner.....The wolverine.I think a better match would be a monkey and a baboon. There is no equal for the wolverine.I said no EQUAL!!!
Posted @ Monday, December 14, 2009 6:34 PM by Go Blue
 
 
A good match up against a baboon would be a caracal. Very powerful felines for their size, and they can still take large antelope prey. Or maybe a dhole. Dhole packs have been known to kill tigers, and one pack has even been recorded to manage separating a baby elephant from it's mother and killing it. Dholes are stronger, pound for pound, than wolves. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted @ Monday, December 14, 2009 8:41 PM by MrAlien123456
Do you know why you never find wolverines in a pack. Because they dont need a pack to survive. Baboons need the pack.No equal for the wolverine . NO EQUAL!
Posted @ Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:07 AM by Go Blue
very interesting. 
gonna go with wolverine, based on loyalty to my continent of birth. I think the babboon would let this one alone.
Posted @ Friday, December 18, 2009 2:27 PM by Porkupine
Good call Porkupine!The Baboon would leave a wolverine alone but a wolverine would not be so kind in return. Wolverines Rule!
Posted @ Friday, December 18, 2009 5:49 PM by Go Blue
Next up...Wolverine vs the Tasmanian devil ~
Posted @ Friday, December 18, 2009 6:02 PM by Toby Ross
That would be a good one Toby; 2 full goose bozo psycho unstable flesh eaters goin at it. I'll start sellin tickets.
Posted @ Monday, December 28, 2009 5:18 PM by Go Blue
Leopards & cougars are very even as to size & strength. In North America, cougars will not tangle with a wolverine. I've seen leopard chase down & kill baboon. Records exist of wolverines chewing out of sheet steel oil drums; breaking metal chain anchoring a leg hold trap; chewing through heavy steel mesh; "handling" logs so heavy a man would be hard pressed to budge it. The animal has massive legs and unusual back and neck configuration making it the strongest mammal for its size in the world. Its claws are capable of causing massive hemorrhage fast. I have collection of books some over century old attesting to bite force "crushes bones like straw" and "chews frozen meat and bones as if they were cakes" etc. "A Hound of Hell Fights For His Life" was account by trapper of his five Malamute dogs (usually always over 100 pounds each and superior to German Shepherd in strength) being shredded by one wolverine "One of my largest dogs grabbed the wolverine from behind. The beast turned like a flash and catching the dog by the lower jaw whirled him over in the air and broke his jaw with a snap. He was more than a match for the five. The wolverine galloped away victorious." I hope no one puts this to the test, you have no right to prove any such contentions. No one has died in the Coliseum for how many centuries? But in a slanted test report could say "baboon killed wolverine." It would be a healthy adult male baboon and a starved aged wolverine to get that result.
Posted @ Friday, January 01, 2010 12:31 AM by Charles
I have strong belief that a wolverine would defeat a baboon. Baboons are known to hunt small antelopes and badly injure leopards. However, wolverines hunt 600lb reindeer and sometimes even moose. In some places, wolverines are even known to kill lone wolves. They can also fend off mountain lions and grizzlies from kills. I have no doubt that a wolverine could kill a baboon.
Posted @ Friday, January 01, 2010 8:53 PM by Luke Beall
There is a reason that the wolverine was hunted to near extinction.It was the most feared of all cold weather carnavoirs and with good reason.A Baboon,not so much! A Baboon would savagely kill and eat what? grass,insects and may be small mamals.A wolverine on the other hand, well in this specific case would not only kill the baboon but would remove his dentures to make a necklace.The wolverine has no EQUAL!
Posted @ Monday, January 04, 2010 6:27 PM by GoBlue
Toby and I both think the Wolverine VS Tasmanian Devil would make a great match. I also think a Badger VS Tasmanian Devil VS Wolverine would be something as well-all three are aggressive and have angry dispositions-what do you think of these choices? Anyone have a suggestion for an opponant for a Raccoon?
Posted @ Monday, January 04, 2010 6:35 PM by ATTILA
How about a mongoose vs a racoon
Posted @ Monday, January 04, 2010 6:55 PM by Go Blue
Raccoons are very strong for their size, and have been known to kill cats and dogs, as an offhand food source. They are dexterous, and people who have left their pet parrots outside, very rarely even found them anywhere near alive. This is from the raccoon's dexterity and the ability for them to open cages. There was report of a 74 year old woman who was nearly mauled to death by 5 raccoons, mainly because the two parents thought she was a threat to their 3 youngsters, since the woman tried shooing them away. They were not rabid, and in fact acted as a normal animal parent(s) would. The surgeons said she will stay looking like Frankenstein for a long period of time, or a quote on the similar lines of that, because she needed so many stitches and nearly ripped apart. She was almost killed. A more formidable foe for the raccoon may be a beagle, or a fox. I know badgers can kill foxes. I’ve seen a video on YouTube of one almost getting a fox that was eating from some food that was put out for them to enjoy. So, I’d say a red fox, or a beagle, or a large breed of cat, like a Maine coon or an F1 Savannah.
Posted @ Tuesday, January 05, 2010 2:32 PM by MrAlien123456
"The baboon will win this one, the wolverine might chase off Wolves or bears, but i've never heard of an account where he actually fought a wolf or a bear, and if he did, do you seriously think he would win? The baboon on the other hand is vicious enough to seriously injure a leopard, they will fight. I'll put my money on the monkey! 
Posted @ Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:33 PM by Kenny " 
 
it would´t have to fight the bears or woves, as they know wolverines are trouble and never stick arround to find out who´d win a fight. here are some video´s to prove my point. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmDbxe6d6XY&feature=related 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUVOjLdpULk&NR=1 
 
oh, and here´s an actual fight between a wolf and a wolverine: 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-khC8qjask&feature=related 
 
enjoy.
Posted @ Saturday, January 09, 2010 1:32 PM by mr.dude
Good point Mr.Dude. Primates are usually underestimated. Plus the fact that these monkeys live in the open savanna where they must contend with not only leopards, but lions, wild dogs, and hyenas.  
 
Baboons are smart, strong, and agressive fighters.
Posted @ Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:04 PM by Toby Ross
baboons for sure the baboons are more agrasive i mean baboons are the next dagerous thing for a leapord nbehind lions and hyenas not on one on one but they travel in packs so they kill a lepord belive it or not but its true
Posted @ Monday, January 25, 2010 1:32 PM by assy nigga
You are kidding, right? Wolverines have much stronger jaws, a larger bone density, and wolverines have been known to scare off animals, including mountain lions, black bears, and grey wolves, off of their kills. A wolverine would kill a baboon almost anytime. 9/10 for the wolverine. A baboon would run at max speed if they saw a black bear coming Mustelids, also are EXTREMELY strong for their size, comparable to the strength of felids and bears, pound for pound. A baboon, on the other hand only has his fangs, but a wolverine can easily outmaneuver them with their DAGGER sharp claws, that can gut a baboon with ease, use their jaws (have been used to CRUSH FROZEN BONES AND FLESH, while a baboon has never been documented to even snap a gazelle femur with their jaws), thicker bones, a larger muscle to body ratio, and most of all, more aggressive. I don't think you've seen wolverines in action, so I'll give you some videos. And then I'll give you some videos of honey badgers. And also, I must know where you got the information from of a baboon troop killing a leopard. And if that was so, then I'm sure that it would only take 3-5 wolverines to kill a fully grown leopard.  
 
Baboon troops=10-200 individuals............ 
 
 
 
 
 
Badgers, wolverines, weasels, and otters; all mustelids 
 
Here's some videos to prove my point about how strong they are: 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7TcZfOQn8I 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc2Lqi7_3jE 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfq_-oVkQcQ&feature=fvw 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcc0EGjnDQc 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvJvNcukZ4w 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c81bcjyfn6U 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted @ Monday, January 25, 2010 6:10 PM by MrAlien123456
I'm with you Mr Alien-the baboon is no match at all for a wolverine-there was a report of a badger killing a baboon-a honey badger. It killed a baboon as the baboon was stupidly investigating the burrow belonging to mr honey badger, who grabbed the baboon and bit it in the head and face until the baboon died. A wolverine is more dangerous opponant than a badger, although badgers are extremely fierce.
Posted @ Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:02 AM by ATTILA
a bager could kill a wolverine theres not that much of a diffrencea bager is bigger them both of them!!
Posted @ Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:26 AM by assy nigga
@MrAlien123456 you prob never seen a baboon in action you say that a baboon would run if he saw a couger or wolf he do the same and scare them off i mean leapords are bigger than cougers jus cuz babbons never been documented doesnt mean they cant crush bones!! i mean babbon a monky so i know a guy who had a 5 lb monkey and it literly rippied off hes lip hes a tough guy like and he said he is extremly powerful then what do you think a 65 lb baoon could do to someone its size?!! murder it
Posted @ Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:37 AM by assy nigga
Wow, assy, you got that quote from Wild Recon. "I know a guy who had a 5lb monkey that ripped off part of his lip". Good job! Yes, monkeys are strong for their size; certain monkeys, at least, and to tell you the truth, I think New world monkeys (howler monkeys, capuchins, spider monkeys, marmosets, tamarins, and monk sakis) are stronger than old world monkeys (baboons and macaques), pound for pound. Baboons don't punch, have only been recorded hunting prey UP TO THE SIZE of a small antelope, like a gazelle, and even then, they go in at least groups of 3. Wolverines are more elusive than baboons, and still, have been recorded to accomplish much harder feats, than any baboon has.  
 
Most baboon species, including the largest, the Chacma, are considered Least Concern on the IUCN Red List, meaning that most of their species are a common site. Wolverines are elusive, and are considered Vulnerable. They have been studied less than bab0oons, and still have accomplished feats that baboons haven't. Wolverines have been known to kill lynxes twice their size, and considering that felids are one of the strongest mammalian families, pound for pound, tied with bears, I doubt a baboon can do a great job at it either. The report I was given by Gianmario talked about how the leopard got a bad gash on his le, by a baboon. Remember that all baboons, even male go in foraging parties of at least 2-3 individuals. Most primates attack in a guerilla tactic fashion, where on strikes from the back of the predator, and then The only videos I've seen of baboons scaring off a leopard, was when there was 50 baboons against one leopard, and still, the troop scampered off and only started to fight back when they got double support from the rest of their troop. I have a video of a CHEETAH chasing off a baboon. Let alone a leopard chasing off a baboon! You and east; primate pals for life! East thinks gorillas can kill tigers and large bears. Why don’t you bring him into this conversation, as well? 
 
Posted @ Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:55 PM by MrAlien123456
LOL I DID GET THAT FROM WILD RECON!!!
Posted @ Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:26 PM by ASSY NIGGA
the wolverine would win because it has sharper claws then the baboon and the wolverine but the baboon has bigger canines then the wolverine but overall I think the wolverine would win
Posted @ Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:33 PM by wildguy
Wildguy, yes the wolverine is also the more agggressive one and has more fighting experience then the baboon but, baboons are known to kill small leopard every now and then. But wolverines can sometimes get the better of small black bears and chase them away. Overall the wolverine has the advantage and is heavier and stronger with more fighting experience and better weapons.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:38 PM by lion man
Wolverines have admantium claws and skeleton!! Not to mention thier healing factor!! 
 
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:17 AM by Yowsers!
Hi,  
I am a researcher and Professor at UAF (University of Alaska Fairbanks), I have been studying Wolverines for 17 years now.  
 
It has come to my attention in these past 17 years of research that wolverines are incredibly deadly and unpredictable animals. One of the most deadly animals in the world in relation to their small size.  
I have observed one hunt and stalk an elk, jumping upwards at an amount of 5 feet in the air, grab the elk by the throat and rip it's trachea and a bit of it's lung out of it's chest cavity, all in about 5 minutes. 
 
It is through my years of knowledge of the anatomy, and behavioral study of these animals that I vote for the mighty Wolverine. 
 
 
 
Although, I have found this particular debate to always be intriguing, so I decided to take it upon myself to find an answer.  
 
I tranqulized and captured a wolverine and brought it to Africa. I asked the local villagers where i may find a Baboon, and then proceeded to observe them in battle. 
 
It was quite an intense and close fight surprisingly. 
The baboon was the first to initiate battle with a quick lunge towards the wolverine, soaring through the air with it's large canines bared and landing directly on the wolverine's head. 
 
The wolverine retaliated quickly. In a shocking display of violence it reached its jaws around grabbing the baboon by its arm, ripping the poor animal's appendage from its body. 
 
Yet, again, the baboon didn't fail to impress. 
The admirable primate battled on with its remaining arm, now even more ferocious than before.  
Sinking its fearfully long fangs into the wolverine's eye.  
 
The wolverine shook its head in agonizing pain, desperately trying to get it's footing. It stumbled and fell.. 
 
Then suddenly, amazingly, before my own two eyes, 3 large metallic looking blades shot forth from it's furry paws, it struck these blades against each other making a high pitched scraping sound that seemed to distract the primate. 
It then spit out it's cigar butt onto the dusty african plains, looked the baboon straight in the eyes and said 
 
"I'm the best at what I do bub!" 
 
It then thrust forth these strange blades with all it's might into the baboons chest cavity, impaling it indefinitely.  
The wolverine then lifted the baboon high in the air with it's claws still dug into the primate's chest and then quickly threw it down to the ground. 
 
As the victorious wolverine stood over it's fallen opponent with a seemingly blazing fire in it's eye it said in a low growling voice, 
 
"and what I do is killin.." 
 
 
Wolverine wins guys.  
Sorry, but the debate's over. 
I saw it happen. 
I couldn't believe it either. 
But Marvel wasn't fuckin around, 
those things really are badass.. 
 
Just like I've known all along. 
I am a PROFESSOR after all.
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:55 AM by Franklin
I will go with the wolverine, although this is not such a sure bet as most people here seem to believe. Babbons are large, poweful, and agressive primates. But, the ferocity of the wolverine will likely be too much for the big monkey. The baboon might walk away with some missing fingers.
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:33 AM by Toby Ross
As much as i like baboons, the fierce wolverine might win due it's furiosity (not saying the baboon is peaceful. 
 
- Stamina = Wolverine 
 
- Jaw force = Wolverine 
 
- Claws = Wolverine 
 
- Tough Hide = Wolverine 
 
Although... 
 
- Intelligence = Baboon 
 
- Hand Grip = Baboon 
 
- Speed = Baboon 
 
- Longer canines = Baboon 
 
 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:20 PM by Zackerdy
I still think that the baboon has a fair chance to inflict injuries on the wolverine which would be serious enough to decide the battle or make it a draw. If the two animals were locked in a tight embrace, the wolverine would of course have the advantage, thanks to its long claws; but baboons prefer to fight otherwise. Wolverines, if they face a strong opponent (e.g., a wolf or a husky), seem to concentrate on preventing their foe from getting a hold and pinning them down with its superior weight. However, a baboon would not act in such a fashion. It would deliver a few quick, slashing bites aimed at the wolverine's flank or belly, and if any of these bites go deep enough to reach the internal organs (a feat that baboons did perform on dogs), the wolverine will be in trouble, even if it finally manages to grab the baboon's throat and kill it.
Posted @ Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:06 AM by Balazs
I'd go for the wolverine :) 
just for the simple reason that it's the underdog ^^, and they always win :P and how about this ? Who has the strongest bite ? Hyena, The Great White or a Siberian Tiger/Male African Lion or a Grizzly ?  
Guess what ? It's the hyena <3 , Hyenas has the strongest bite of all landliving- or waterliving creatures :p
Posted @ Sunday, October 10, 2010 5:45 PM by Ørjan
This would be a long fight. The baboon is one-half bluff. The wolverine has no skills. If not defending cabin's burn pile from a 30/30 or a road killed porcupine from Ford F250 with snow plow, the wolverine does not stand his ground. The baboon is a tough guy with his buddies, but prefers to charge and scream and curl his lips to test his adversary's mettle. Wolverine won't back down if there is a meal at stake. Baboon won't strike unless his opponent blinks. It will be a long stand-off. If baboon gets up his courage to make contact, wolverine will get a hold of him and shred him. Wolverine wins.
Posted @ Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:33 AM by Babs Booney
Whe wolverine would win
Posted @ Saturday, November 27, 2010 11:03 AM by avwood
It would be a short fight. The baboon would lose a few fingers and run.  
 
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Posted @ Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:01 AM by BrotherBear
The comparrison is pointless,you would have to be a complete savage to find out who would win.But while we are on the subject a wolverine is probably the most dangerous mammal pound for pound in the wild.It has massive jaw strength,5 inch long razor sharp claws on all it's feet and sprays musk fluid all over what ever it is fighting with.An average size wolverine would kill and eat easily a much larger baboon.Also it is well known that they are more than a match for a wolf <on average>There is actually a short clip on you tube of a wolverine taking a kill from a large timber wolf at first you think the wolf is winning but as it unfolds the wolverine was actually chewing it's face off.I have also seen a documentary where a wolverine ambushes a young carribu out of a tree and bites through the back of it's neck with ease.It must have been outweighed by about 6 times.
Posted @ Monday, December 06, 2010 2:17 AM by doog
you are all too fucking stupid to live. i dont think i've ever seen so many comments so completely void of foundation. it's like none of you have ever read anything on either one of these animals and so you make you mind up based on what you think a fight would look like based on pure imagination. jesus christ. i actually saw a guy say that tigers are lucky that wolves aren't their size. that statement alone has several really dumb assumptions before you even consider how utterly pointless it is in the first place. please. everyone. kill yourselves
Posted @ Thursday, December 16, 2010 3:42 PM by fuckallofyou
IF you look into it the wolverine is in the same family as the mongoose, badger, etc and they are pound for pound the strongest animals in the world! look for a video where one runs up on a black bear. the bear pins the wolverine down only to be throwin off, bit in the neck and chased up a tree! Im sorry but i dont see a baboon striking fear into a bear that weight 10 times its weight!
Posted @ Wednesday, December 29, 2010 7:48 PM by Daniel Munch
I think everyone are ignoring one thing.Baboons are smarter.It dosen't matter how big or strong an animal is, it can be defeated by an animal the's smarter.and also I think people are thinking about the canines and reputation too much.the baboon's hands(paws)are able to keep the enimies mouth closed and then i8t can use its teeth and legs to kill an enemy
Posted @ Monday, February 07, 2011 3:20 AM by dave salmoni
I find this match up quite interesting. I see it happening with the wolverine holding its ground or coming forward a bit but not rushing. The baboon would be quick trying to come in and out a bit to snap at the wolverine. He'd probably get hooked when the wolverine made a grab at the same time. If the wolverine didn't immediately get the throat when coming from below and ended it then he'd probably have gotten the baboon somewhere from the shoulder down to the hand. It would hold it's jaws shut and the baboon would then sink its large teeth down in the wolverines back which would be a little protected with a thick coat of fur and some fat. Now with the baboon held and unable to get away the fight would turn into a wrestling match with the wolverine having an advantage with a little more weight and its stocky build. Eventually the baboon would feel teeth clenching down on its throat and that would be the end. With the baboon dead the wolverine would be the winner but a bit blood of one. =\
Posted @ Monday, February 07, 2011 5:12 PM by Ellis Redding
The Wolverine probably wins this fight. It would be closer than most people think, both animals are agressive, strong and agile. The Wolverine is just simply more tenacious. 
 
There was also a suggestion of a fight between a Wolverine and a Tasmanian Devil. It wouldn't last long, given that the Devil is only about 20 lbs. That's not much more than a snack for the Wolverine. 
 
There are some strange statements here though. One especially caught my attention, and I just had to comment on it. Someone came to the conclusion that a large dog could take a Cougar. 
 
That's laughable. There is another animal fight on this site, between a Grey Wolf and a Cougar. The general consensus, and rightly so, is that the Cougar wins this fight. The Wolf stands even less of a chance against a Leopard, and less still against a Jaguar. Pound for pound, the cats are much stronger than canids. And faster.
Posted @ Friday, March 04, 2011 2:52 AM by jayson
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baboons have some vicious teeth, reach, "athleticism" overall (speed, power, agility, etc, if you can call an animal "athletic"), but being lanky would only be an asset IF THE BABOON HAD THE CLAWS OF A WOLVERINE. it doesn't, it has teeth that can sink deep, but that's right next to their neck. 
 
 
 
btw... to say, "have you ever seen a bear or wolves fight a wolverine?", is laughable. they, in the animal world, already know not to fuck w/ another that'll kill it. just because you've never seen a tiger shark fuck w/ a great white doesn't mean it won't happen if they crossed paths. 
 
 
 
but i digress... a baboon is no joke and has many vicious "attributes", but a wolverine is ALOT of animal shoved into a tight & tightly wound SMALL BEAR with speed & teeth that are atrocious. ...but it's their LONG CLAWS (like the comic book guy) that RIP and SHREAD and TEAR things up. alot faster than a bear, hard to get to, and w/ long claws is why BEAR bears don't mess with wolverines, not because we think of the comic book guy or "that one National Geographic". 
 
 
 
a baboon would, and does, kill ALOT of animals, but would be TOAST against a wolverine. if it got any of its' short claws anywhere near a wolverine, that means it'd be close enough to have its' appendages or BODY shredded, which would happen. 
 
 
 
close fight, blood everywhere, wolverine walking away; that's what would be the outcome.
Posted @ Friday, March 18, 2011 10:52 PM by glad2notBu
btw... that is NOT a pic of a wolverine above, which people already know.
Posted @ Friday, March 18, 2011 10:53 PM by glad2notBu
Regardless of the outcome of a Wolverine/baboon confrontation, of which I think the Wolverine would come out on top, it is humorous to think that it is the norm for Wolverines to chase away a full grown Bear.  
 
It is not. 
 
If the Bear, Black, or Grizzly decides to press the issue, the Wolverine usually winds up dead. 
 
60lbs vs. 400lbs (black Bear), or 600 + lbs (Grizzly), the weight disadvantage is simply too much for the Wolverine. 
 
Way more often than not, the Wolverine will back down, and back away. 
 
Posted @ Saturday, March 19, 2011 5:20 AM by jayson
Ive seen live footage of a full size wolverine fighting off a full size grizzly in Northern Alaska.They fought over a fish...The grizzly ran away after a bloody beatdown ...both were bleeding and the wolverine ate the fish...this was live footage mind you.. a wolverine maybe 65lbs and a 1K pound grizzly...now..it wasnt a fight between a wolverine and a baboon but i would still put my pay check on a hungry female wolverine
Posted @ Sunday, March 20, 2011 1:30 PM by Chris Kelpinski
and im sorry ppl but that is a wolverine in the pic...do some research....look at photos...and look at them when they attack in live footage and you will realize real quick what they look like when irritated...What you dont see in the pic is the typical white stripped type pattern on its sides.Though simular to a badger and skunk...and...every animal puts its ears back and the hair stands up during battle..This is obviously a picture of a wolverine...or a very good photo shopped pic
Posted @ Sunday, March 20, 2011 1:42 PM by Chris Kelpinski
Do you have a link or any info as to where that footage can be found? 
 
Seems to me that something like that would have made the rounds. I'll check youtube, but I've never heard of something like that floating around. Not saying it's not there, just saying I've never heard or seen it. 
 
I don't know of any expert who would take the Wolverine over the Grizzly. Not in an all out fight. 
 
In fact, chris K., you're the only person I've heard of who would. 
 
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Posted @ Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:12 AM by Chief Big Daddy Long Stroke
ummm the wolverine eats mouse as a regular diet...and its 70 pound AVERAGE is correct, a wolverine has been seen fighting grizlys and has actually WON these engagements....baboon has only injured leapords which are nothing to a grizly and it ussually takes about 5 baboons to even injure it..youd have to be an idiot to thinkthe baboom stands a chance...
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Posted @ Saturday, May 07, 2011 6:15 AM by BrotherBear
I think the wolverine will win because it can take down animals twice its own size and has powerful jaws so if the wolverine gets a hold of the baboon it's done for.
Posted @ Friday, May 13, 2011 9:03 AM by william roen
Baboon's are not made for combat; Wolverine's are born for it.Baboons stay together for proper survival(which includes protection); Wolverines roam solo and NEVER back down. One Baboon vs One Wolverine; that Baboon would be an exotic dinner that the Wolverine would shit out later.
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Posted @ Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:18 PM by Leroy Phelps
yo what about this as a fight 
wolverine vs warthog 
 
wart hogs are extremely violent and have killed lioness before. 
 
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Posted @ Monday, June 20, 2011 1:04 PM by hnic
The wolverine would win. It is fearless. The baboon isn't fearless.
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Posted @ Friday, November 04, 2011 12:16 PM by Leroy Phelps
Gonna have to give this one to the baboon. Their canines are longer than that of a wolf, they are able to severely injure leopards, they are excellent fighters and they can be very violent when they want to be, despite what the author seems to think. I've heard of a baboon fatally injuring a 200lb leopard but I ain't heard of a wolverine doing that kind of damage to a 200lb cougar. Don't get me wrong, I love wolverines, but I believe the baboon's size, agility, intelligence, dexterity and fighting prowess will help it prevail.
Posted @ Sunday, November 13, 2011 8:24 PM by Arctodus
how can a baboon win against this monster weasel it can take down animals as large as moose and will chase of a pack of wolves, bears, and moutain lions even polar bears have been killed by these small terrors so how would a monkey win
Posted @ Monday, November 21, 2011 8:10 PM by jc
i cant believe you all start facing facts a wolverine will kill a baboon with ease a wolverine may see the baboon as prey i know a lot about animals and i know the wolverine will win
Posted @ Monday, November 21, 2011 8:16 PM by jc
LISTEN IF A WOlVERINE CAN KILL A POLAR BEAR OR WOLF THEN IT CAN TAKE DOWN A BABOON WITH EASE POLAR BEARS ARE ONE OF THE STRONGEST ANIMALS SO YOU HAVE TO BE A GOON IF YOU THINK A BABOON WILL WIN
Posted @ Monday, November 21, 2011 8:22 PM by jc
Ugh. Why do people on this site have to play these kinds of tricks? That post from November 13 at 8:14 P.M. wasn't me, folks. I don't think that a baboon would fare that well against something that can bring down a moose single-pawed.
Posted @ Sunday, December 04, 2011 2:59 PM by Arctodus
It would be a nasty fight and yes, on the surface, it looks like the baboon should win as it does have longer canine teeth as well as an advantage with its longer limbs. 
 
 
 
However, the wolverine would take an extremely low-to-the ground defensive position and look for the first opportunity to get in and under the baboon---latching onto to its belly or ripping its privates off (if it was a male). 
 
 
 
The wolverine is literally a 'face hugger' (ala "Alien").  
 
It would latch onto the throat and crush the wind out of the baboon in seconds. 
 
 
 
The wolverine is also ready to battle to the death even if took as much as 12 hours. I truly doubt the baboon (who I agree IS indeed the more intelligent animal) has that kind of fortitude (or death wish). 
 
In fact, because it IS the more intelligent creature begs that it will more likely be the one to call it quits and run away to live another day. 
 
(If the wolverine allows it to, of course).
Posted @ Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:12 PM by Crappy The Penguin
My money is on the Wolverine. Baboons may have large canines, but wolverines have super strong bone crushing bites.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:16 AM by Hooper
NO!the wolvierne cant win because the baboon has canines bigger than lions. 
One time i read that a bite of an olive baboon can be fatal than a male lion.Baboons can be as dangerous as a 
big mandrill.And in a baboon`s mouth a small dear and monkey can  
also hardly fit.So I think wolveirne can also win because it 
can chase wolves and wolves can tear humans so I think its a draw. 
Posted @ Sunday, February 05, 2012 9:48 AM by shehzor
You are under estimating the spirit of the wolverine. they would go straight for the kill while the baboon would be more Reserved, and i may not know of a time that any wolverine destroyed a bear but they have torn them up badly and taken solid hit after solid hit and returned for more. and a baboon is nothing to a bear. especially alone. and wolverines are faster then you imagine when they move. i would love to see the day the baboon just grabs it and takes a chunk out of it. i think it would be a lot more interesting to see a wolverine go up against a larger primate.. and i bet he would still put up a Fight. but i was born and raised in the bush of Alaska and got to see the after math of wolverine fights with other animals.. so maybe im biased but i have been to africa as well and seen Baboons. and i just don't think they quite have the relexes to hold there own against a wolverine, and a guy up top said wolverines don't beat wolves. they can't take a pack but one on one.. its a bit of a different story. hope someone got somthing out of my 2 cents
Posted @ Wednesday, February 08, 2012 1:34 PM by Bush Rat
Hey Author! 
Why don't you replace the picture of the wolf with a pic of a wolverine?? or change it to Wolf vs Baboon
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Posted @ Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:01 AM by cameron
Baboons are all show they cant kill shit , its obvious a wolverine will win. end of arguement.
Posted @ Saturday, April 28, 2012 5:45 PM by NeverWrong
There have been records of a wolverine confronting and killing an angry sow bear. Wolverines confront whole packs of wolves and beat the s!?t out of them. The wolverine can basically kill any terrestrial mammal with one bite from its 1200lb jaw force. Even though it's bulky build it is agile enough to jump five feet in the air swing onto a moose and crush its neck. It's jaw force is 3 times that of a tiger. The baboon would die in a few minutes of the start of the battle. Oh and unless humans interfere they would never even have a confrontation.
Posted @ Monday, April 30, 2012 7:39 PM by Anonymous
I hate to burst anyones bubble on this but the two of them would not meet ever unless in a zoo. Also i find some your topics stating this are dumb. A baboon now is a a primate which means they are stronger than human hands down but there other animals where they live that are natural predators of it. I do know that wolverines have very few known predators, I also know that is some cases which have been documented of it chasing away a young grizzly bear from it's kill also an area where there is one wolf chasing it away from its kill aswell so those cases right there should tell you before whoever wrote this cause they have nothing better to do. Then when you are picking which animal would win when the answer is we will never know nor we ever see it.
Posted @ Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:48 AM by thisadumbtopic
the baboon is smarter with thumbs and longer canine teeth. i'd say baboon wins.
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Let me just sat that the Baboon steers a clear path around Honey Badgers - in other words, the Honey Badger rules the roost when the two encounter one another. It is largely accepted that the Honey Badger may have the heart, but not the tools to overcome a wolverine. The wolverine would tear your monkey to shreds.
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agree with hamish all you have to do is look at the end results of a honey badger vs baboon all that would change is this time the animal is larger and stronger
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you got to be so dumb and you do not know it for thinking that the baboon will have a slight chance to even scratch it . im not going to even compare the differences. i would say and im sure that if the wolverine lives in teh same environment where the lioness is and they will face each other at on point individually, the wolverine will rip it apart after a long time due to stamina resilience and viciousness . nothing pound by pound can stand a chance to last a minute against teh wolverine.-- vs a mountain lion weights about 100-150 may be will be a draw and he will not continue her resiliency and stamina will drive him away-- is like bruce lee vs ali , he will collapse like a house of mud ali always teh power of agility fluidity and nastiness will kick the beast to the curb. please do not reply . i don;'t read dumb insights another dumb folks who believe that the hypo will kill teh rhino how f dumb to even say something like that . so many people are dumb and they do not know it we always look for things that matches our views no reply i do not read nor edit no time
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