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Pit Bull vs Bobcat

Everyone has an opinion about if they love a dog or a cat more.  What I am trying to do here is settle once and for all which one would win in a fight to the death by two of the more well known individuals in these families.

The Bobcat is a North American cat that usually huts for insects and small deer for food.  Bobcats are very territorial animals.  They commonly mark their borders with claw marks and soil deposits.   There are specifically twelve subspecies of Bobcats.  All range throughout North America into Mexico.  Our Bobcat has been in the woods its whole life and has recently acquired rabies.  This viral disease causes inflammation in the brain which does nothing but to piss it off that much more. 

We first need to start out by specifically saying this is an American Pit Bull Terrier.  Pit Bull Terriers are medium sized dogs with short smooth coats.  They are very muscular and have gotten a bad reputation for their aggression issues.  Although this is only an issue for mistreated dogs in most cases pit bulls are know as dogs who will bit and are too stubborn to let go of their prey no matter what.  The pit bull in this case just so happens to be one of Michael Vick's former pets.  We all know how much he pissed those animals off.  So not only is this one mean son of a bitch (ha literally) but he's pissed off that Vick made millions of dollars and treated him like shit for so long. 

Needless to say we have a fight here of two pissed off combatants!

The battle itself wouldn't really be all that eventful, but I'll try and break it down for you.  The bobcat would start out with an early lead keeping its distance from the pit bull and getting some pretty wicket attacks in with its claws.  These attacks only go to piss off Mike's dog that much more.  After a few minutes of this cat and mouse game the pit bull is able to latch onto one of the bobcats legs.  In typical pit bull fashion it refuses to let go.  Although the bobcat continues to rake at the pit bulls eyes it simply can't get away.  After about five minutes of this both animals are sufficiently mutilated.  Then the pit bull makes its move to get a better hold on the bobcat.   Although it can't see because of all the blood in its eyes it doesn't really matter because the bobcat can't get away with a practically ripped off leg.  A nice hold later and the pit bull has a firm grasp around the bobcats neck. 

A short while later the fight is over.  The bobcat is limp.  Despite this the pit bull continues to hold on and shake the lifeless animal around for another good five minutes.

Victor - Short lived for the pit bull before It's Painful death at the hand of the rabies it gets from the bobcat.

Pit Bull Fight

 

Bobcat Play Fight

No We Aren't Talking About This Type Of Bobcat!

Comments

hmmm im not sure... i know bob cats arnt that big so i might go with the dog this time.. however i know rabies can make animals crazed.. prolly alot more crazed then a dog used in fighting.. its like putting tyson in the ring with micheal myers(the one from halloween)sometimes crazyness can overcome combat skills 
 
Posted @ Monday, May 31, 2010 12:32 AM by billy bob joe
That's so not fair, you could've at least chosen a cat that was the same size of the dog, like a lynx or cougar. Also, cats fight with claws and teeth, so if the cat is the same size of the dog it would definitely win. I would know, after seeing my cat kick the crap out of a bulldog XD. And if you compare the world's biggest cat (tiger) to the world's biggest dog (wolf) than it's obvious cats would win.
Posted @ Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:22 PM by Rufus
a bobcat would destroy a pitbull with a matter of seconds.. believe me my bobcat has killed 2 rotties and a pitbull and mauled other dogs almost to death and he had to be pulled of them even if he is playing he just looses himself and has nearly killed my neighbours lab on a few occansions if it wasnt for a tazor, so before you post the pitbull as the winner maybe you should actually see what an anrgy male bobcat is like when it is attacking or when a female mother bobcat is defending her kittens
Posted @ Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:15 AM by cat
Both animals might die from their wounds. But, if the Bobcats gets a strangle hold, the pooch is finished. Both animals are going for the throat. The cat has a better chance of success. Speed and meat-hooks on each paw.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:33 PM by Toby
Forgetabout it. The Pit eats the spooted kitty with no problemo. The pit would snap the bobcats neck, severing the juglar or ripping the cat apart if bit anywhere else. There is a youtube vid of a Kangal dog spotting a bobcat in the wild, running over, snapping it up and shaking it. The owner runs over and grabs the dog. They both walk away with a dead bobcat on the trail. This whole incident only took a couple of moments. Imagine what a game pit would do?
Posted @ Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:26 PM by Zak
I would first have to congratulate the writer of the article on the realism (and also the rabies/mike thing which explains why they would be attacking each other so aggressively)of the hypothetical fight. It is actually refreshing compared to other wildly imagined fights written on this same site. 
 
I would like to hear more from the guy who said he owned bobcats as i can fully imagine them killing dogs. However I think if the pitbull went in as aggressively as the cat it's bite could do some crippling damage which would win it the fight even tho it would get severely mauled in the process..
Posted @ Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:41 PM by Dan
The Bobcat has the clear advantage in this situation. Pitbulls may have a strong bite, but the bobcat has longer fangs and very sharp claws on four legs. Also, Pitbulls don't have to hunt for their food, they have no stalking abilities. When it gets down to it, bobcats are way more visious than pits, and they are better armed. It would be like an unarmed 220pound muscle bound fighter, facing off with a 150pound speed deamond, with knives for fingers and toes. The 220 guy is going to get in some licks, but nobody can withstand getting cut. The Bobcat would cut up the pit so badly, it would bleed out in a few minutes.
Posted @ Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:53 PM by Joshua House
anything domestics vs any wild roughly the same size usually means that the domestic animal gets owned unless its trained, but still... the Bobcat has too many tools to take down the pit bull, it probably have a greater biting force as well..
Posted @ Friday, November 12, 2010 12:54 PM by Miguel Sanchez
Why did you pick the bobcat and not the lion or tiger? Cause you know no dog stands a chance against the superior bigger cats.
Posted @ Monday, November 15, 2010 4:45 AM by MobiusX
First of all, the Bobcat would run away and hide, even from a small dog. However if the pitbull corners a bobcat, it would be damn sorry because its eyes would be ripped out. A pitbull, in my opinion would never get a hold of a bobcat in the first place
Posted @ Wednesday, November 24, 2010 5:09 PM by Jake
I don't care what you say; I have been told by many a vet and by many, many park rangers and policemen that a bobcat can hold its own against even a wolf! So, unless you are going to say that a wolf would lose a fight against a pitbull, then I think you'd better just say it's a gamble. FYI, my Maine Coon house cat jumped on the head of an enraged pit and almost tore his eyes out--- give me a break dude! a wild animal, a cat at that, against a dog? Do you think a muscle-bound freak bouncer would be more afraid of your pit or more afraid of a bobcat? yes, a strong man would break a pitbull's neck dude, I,ve heard stories here in NYC. I love pits same as you, but let's be real here.
Posted @ Saturday, November 27, 2010 10:49 AM by Dave
I love cats comment hahaha if your cat killed 3 dogs why wasn't it put Down? Hahahaha ur so full of shit. A Pitbull is a savage animal capable of weight pulling over 3 ton. They fucking rip peoples throats out. Your kitty cats little fluffy throat would be ripped out after that lock jaw snaps in place. For gods sake pitbulls are capable of taking down a 
Bull. And are bred to fight
Posted @ Monday, November 29, 2010 9:14 PM by Cheereo
Haha have you people even felt the body of a pitbull terrier? You can feel no bones just rock hard muscle. Little kitty would get it's throat snapped. A pitbull if angered is a lethal weapon
Posted @ Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:27 AM by Ffsaid
Hey, Ffsaid, I strong man can pull much more than three tons, but would that dude survive a fight with Mike Tyson? If size and strength had anything to do with a fight dude, a Mack Truck could outrun a motorcycle--- don't be so certain that a Bobcat would lose a fight with a Pit....
Posted @ Sunday, December 05, 2010 9:31 PM by Dave
No pitbull or any dog for that matter can pull 6000 pounds,and a cougar is not near the same weight as a pitbull, maybe a mastiff or st Bernard...the fight probably wouldn't happen because a cat born in the wild would run,but if the same size I'd put my money on the pitbull,as long as he's game bred because that means he's a fighter and most likely wouldn't quit no matter how much that cat did to him or how much the cat would try to get away
Posted @ Sunday, December 12, 2010 11:55 PM by Emile
ummm dave mike tyson is a boxer not a bob cat lol. a pitbull is actually bred for fighting aswell and my money would be on the pitbull mike tyson is more of a pitbull than a bob cat anyway hahaha
Posted @ Saturday, December 18, 2010 6:56 AM by duuuude
Ummm....I think that the pit bull would definitely win. I love pit bulls and have learned alot about them. If they are trained to fight, they will fight until they die! They can be the sweetest dogs, but their willingness to fight is so crazy. You wouldn't be able to pull the pit bull off of that bobcat until the bobcat was dead. If the pit bull got a good hold on the bobcat the kitty would be finished. This was a well-made page, but so sad that both of them die in the end.:(
Posted @ Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:24 PM by Husky_Wolf_Lover
Wow Cheereo, 
 
A 3-ton pulling Pit Bull? The chances of finding one of those are lower than the chances of my chihuahua hovering into space and pulling out an AK-47 and fighting a clan of giant purple carrots. 
 
AND A SPANISH BULL (1,700 lbs) OR A LONGHORN STEER (2,000 lbs) COULD KILL A PIT BULL TERRIER WITHOUT BREAKING A SWEAT. 
 
60 lb dog VS 1,700-2,000 lb horned ungulate
Posted @ Monday, December 27, 2010 6:54 PM by Luke
lol shame you have a chihuahua their such a bitch of a dog. and google pitbull weight pulling dude. they do pull 3 ton but the dog is harnessed and the weight is on wheels.
Posted @ Wednesday, December 29, 2010 7:43 PM by cheerio
This is sort of like "wolf vs cougar," but with a major twist: the dog in this case is bred specifically for fighting. Assuming your average game APBT vs your average bobcat, the fight would follow a similar trend as any fight between a social animal with high stamina and a loner with low stamina. In other words, the social animal will press the fight, and the loner will try and escape. If the loner gets cornered, it goes "chainsaw," fighting like a demon. This outburst can be deadly, but it is also energy consuming. 
 
The twist here is that the pitbull is "game," meaning that it's more combative, more agressive, and more willing to take punishment than your average social animal. This means that it will be taking the fight to the bobcat from the beginning, taking a hold on a limb or the torso ASAP. Once it bites, it ragdolls. This mode of attack would be terrifying to the bobcat, and it would fight fiercely to escape or kill. Because the APBT is pressing the attack to the max from the beginning, it is likely that the bobcat will be badly injured and thus impaired during the "chainsaw" portion of the fight, reducing its chances significantly. I'd say that the APBT should outfight and outlast the bobcat around 60% of the time, while the bobcat should be able to overcome the canid around 40% of the time.
Posted @ Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:26 PM by MellivoraCapensis
50/50 at best! I don't know---- so many people think that APTs are trained fighters, (trained by humans) as if to say that cats can't fight. Ahhh, the martial arts and boxing both came from watching members of the cat family fight... Cats know how to fight! Has anyone here even read the book "White Fang" where a female Lynx killed White Fang's father in a quick fight? Come-on.... a Bobcat is a wild animal and would probably blind a Pit in two miliseconds.... I love Pits, but a cat, even a house cat can hold its own against most dogs. How about a more logical fight? Who would win? Justin Bieber or Shakira in a fight to the death?
Posted @ Thursday, January 27, 2011 5:55 PM by Dave
Bobcats have killed wolves lets just leave it at that.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:19 PM by x
Nice try. I have a Pit, and would pick him up if I saw a bobcat stroll by. Longtime hunter here, a Pit has never faced anything like a bobcat. Would not be a match, and I am a big dog guy who has little use for cats. Just calling it as I know it to be.
Posted @ Sunday, May 08, 2011 4:21 PM by PitMan
PitMan is correct... I wouldnt let any of my dog try to take on a bobcat... And I dont own no sissy maltese.. You just don't have anything domestic fight anything wild.. Wolves have at least 2x biting force compared to pitbulls, and they don't want a piece of a bobcat.. Because they are smrter than that...
Posted @ Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:03 PM by Miguel Sanchez
@Dave Shakira would rape Justin Bieber.. Literally... now you wish you are JB huh??? nice try...
Posted @ Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:07 PM by Miguel Sanchez
A Blue nose Pitbull Terrier would destroy a bob cat. I have seen injurys inflicted by both animals and the Pitbull inflicted injurys that would require extensive plastic surgery and actually in some cases pitbulls have scalped people.
Posted @ Saturday, May 28, 2011 2:16 AM by Tigerman
Tigerman: Oh NO! Not a Blue Nose Pitbull Terrior!!! Oh, no! anything, but one of them... They can kill tigers!! I heard that even a velocisaurus raptor would die against one of them. Even killer whales would swim away from a Blue Nose Pitbull Terrior.. Everybody run and hide!!!
Posted @ Monday, June 06, 2011 5:03 PM by Dave
A strong man and I mean a "MAN" would knock the living hell out a pitbull! Cops have told me! I'll give it a fifty-fifty chance, but even then, both of the animals would die. Either the cat wins quickly, as I say it would, or the fight lasts to the point where the cat and pit just kill each other.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 27, 2011 8:23 PM by Dave
This pittbull would destroy the bobcat ina matter of seconds but the rabies from the bobcat might make the dog die afterwards idk my vote is on the pittbull for sure tho :)
Posted @ Monday, August 01, 2011 2:26 PM by Nicky
Bobcat. 
Domesticated dogs are so damn overrated. 
 
 
Wild cats, have much more weapons than a frigging dog. 
 
Most of the successful carnivores are in the felidae family.
Posted @ Sunday, August 07, 2011 11:33 PM by Duce
No matter what the size of a dog. Speed determines the winner. I don't think a dog can bite a cat's leg. Reflexes
Posted @ Friday, September 02, 2011 10:41 AM by Stud
I wouldn't even want a piece of a bobcat man. Lets say if I encounter both animals, I would want to fight off a pitbull anytime. As I say pitbulls because we've live with them for a matter of years. We know how they fight/kill and their weaknesses. If u guys wanna put a domesticated dog against a wild animal, better think that twice. Bobcats got 18 to 20 razor ass sharp knive on each paw, Mouth full of teeth and with some razor ass sharp fangs. I also heard from others that bobcats may have stronger bite than any dog of these days. Just that the cat is smaller than the dog. But I would put 9 out of 10 the cat would win.
Posted @ Saturday, October 15, 2011 8:25 AM by Jonathan C. H.
 
 
 
 
first off i have to state..... i do not condone dog fighting or matching wild animals against pitbulls or any other dogs. 
 
i know people who have done it and have gone to great trouble and expense to obtain certain animals for this purpose. its all been many years ago. at least 30. 
 
 
 
first of all...like its been mentioned before and this is fact. MellivoraCapensis had it close to spot on except i have to say.......... if you have a pitbull that will truly fight and is game and anywhere near the weight of the cat??? the bobcat will never win. the cat being a wild animal will try and run to survive. as stated above...1000000000% correct. they run to survive and fight another day. a pitbull would never last in the wild because it will go after a blue whale if it could. a cat will fight if cornered but it wont fight willingly like the pb will. the dog enjoys it like a herding dog herding cattle or sheep. its what they do. it was to easy from what i saw of the 27 pound dog and the 40 pound cat. 
 
you have to be kidding if you think a bobcat can have even the slightest chance against a pitbull. assuming the pitbull is a good example for what it was bred to do. not all pitbulls are capable of fighting successfully in the pit or even against other breeds of dogs. but when you take the best against the best ??? it is not even close.. and people that hunt with pitbulls in packs? pack dogs never make good pit dogs. they are to accomodating to other animals. not saying a true pit dog that is used in the pit will attack all other dogs/animals....its just the chances are that it will not be very accepting of other animals. thus not good in a pack. maybe a cat or dog or something that it grew up around. i know of a pitbull that is retired but has lived with the same cat all of its life. it sleeps with the cat. but dont let a strange cat come around. 
 
as a general rule...a pack dog does not make a good pit dog. 
 
 
 
the world record for a pitbull fight is 5 hours 23 minutes, and the towel was thrown in and it was called a draw. one of the strains came from floyd bordreaux....both 45 pounds. pound for pound a pitbull is the most powerful animal alive and it has more endorphines than any other mammal. i saw a 27-28 pound pitbull kill a 40 pound bobcat in less than 30 seconds. the pitbull. grabbed it by the head..... and it was dead. end of the fight. and this was against a cat that out weighed it by 12 pounds. which is more than 1/3 bigger than the pitbull. it may as well had been a regular cat. a pitbull if it is a good representative of its breed is not going to just roll over and die or give up. there is no give to them. if you argue that then you do not know pitbulls and you have not even the most remote knowledge about what a pitbull will do and can do. 
 
they can go for hours in a fight.a game test for a pitbull must go for 1 hour. if it wont go 1 hour it is a cur dog. i 5 dogged my dog to test his gameness for breeding purposes. if you dont know what that is? you take 1 dog ( and these are good game dogs ) against your dog and then after a certain time you take that 1 out and put a fresh dog on your dog. let them fight some more and then do this in all 5 times. it is a gruelling test that not many pits will endure...but they will if they are gameand it has to last a minimum of 1 hour. my dog went 2 hours 10 minutes. a broken leg, bit out teeth, ears torn off, skin hanging...they wont quit and if you think they will you are uninformed. some cuts from claws is not going to slow them down for a fraction of a second. and i do not care if it a cut to the bone or if they get their testicals bitten off. they will still fight if game... a bobcat is not strong enough to do such fast damage to a pitbull. and a cat has 00000 endurance. they are sprinters. they are not built for endurance fighting. a pit has unreal endurance and strenght that is unmatched by anything remotely close to its size. you think something of anywhere near their size is just going to come in and completly dominate them ? thats uninformed and speaking of not what is known fact. its called being in denial. 
 
also do you know the american pitbull terrier holds all the world records in weight pulling in every weight class it competes in? there is no other breed that is close. ive seen a 41 pound male pitbull pull 5000 pounds. that is 124 pounds pulled per pound of bodyweight. a 150 pound man would have to pull 18600 pounds. 
 
a 157 pound newfoundland held the world record for 10 years with a 5660 pound pull. until a 62 pound pitbull came along and pulled 5990 pounds. the newf only was good for 36 times its bodyweight and it held the record for 10 years...from 85-95 and this is not speculation. it is in the offical records for international weight pulling and guiness book of world records. 
 
the world record pull for any breed of any weight is 13,023 pounds or so and it pulled it 27 feet in 20 seconds. and it was done by a pitbull. 
 
in 2009 a pb named versace pulled 12,170 pounds at 71 punds bodyweight. it is a ukc weight pull record.http://youtu.be/WtA5XlHWZRg 
 
check him out. lets see the bobcat do that. and just because this dog can pull that much ? doesnt mean a thing if he is in the pit. combine that strenght with game and what do you have?? A GLADIATOR. 
 
 
 
i want to see a bobcat of any weight pull 13,020 pounds or 12,170 
 
if you think a cat of the same size is going to outmuscle a pitbull you are sadly mistaken. the only way a cat will win is if the pitbull will not fight. then a poodle could beat it. even a nongame pitbull that will fight hard for 20 minutes will kill a bobcat.or a rottweiler. 
 
back in the late 70's a friend bought an attack trained rottweiler from elliots k9 guard dogs.in georgetown tenn. same place meadowlark lemon got his attack dog from. and im talking attack dog. not a guard dog. this was a 5000 dollar dog in 1980 and weighed in at 135 pounds and 27 inches at the shoulder. it got mauled by a pitbull in 15 minutes and was never in the fight. it was crying and trying to get away.it fought at first for about 8 minutes. it didnt kill the rot as they got the pit off. this was against a 45 pound pitbull and a 5000 dollar 135 lb. attack trained rotty. 
 
i would put that rotty against the bobcat. any big agressive dog that will take punishment will kill a bobcat. the ability to take punishment and give punishment back and never quit even if it means you die is what wins a fight, not speed or strenght. 
 
 
 
you know the first thing about a pitbull fight is there are rules? more than 70 rules. the dogs have to show a willingness to combat. there are timekeepers, 2 men with breaking sticks in the pit with the dogs. do you know if the 2 dogs are fighting and 1 dog turns head and shoulders away fron the other dog that that is called a turn and the dogs are separated and taken to neutral corners ? the dog that turned first has to run across a line ( scratch line ) in the middle of the pit within 20 seconds or the fight is over???????? and if the same dog turns again the dog that did not turn has to run across the scratch line within 20 seconds ? after the first turn all turns are alternated regardless of who turned.? 
 
the only animal pound for pound that can fight with a pitbull and can win...but a pitbull can win too..and most of the time the pit will win if the weights are not more than a few pounds.... 
 
is a wolverine. 
 
my friend had the best 50lb pitbull in huntington west virginia. he and a friend went to montana in 1982 and trapped a 43 pound wolverine and brought it back. to make a long story short the pitbull killed the wolverine in a bit more than 2 hours. the dog was cut up some but not as much as you would think and no more than a 2 hour pitbull fight. i think the dog got 100 stitches and the wolverine died. but the pit did outweigh the wolverine by 7 pounds. in a professional pitbull fight there is only a 1 pound weight difference tolerance...unless agreed to by both parties. they do not over match dogs and are very strict about it. anything 55 pounds and over is a heavyweight and has to fight any other dog regardless of difference in weights. 
 
read richard strattons books...this is the american pitbull terrier and the book of the american pitbull terrier. he also speaks of matching a wolverine against a pitbull. thats where my friends got the idea. 
 
 
 
while i do not condone dog fighting...it is cruel to match anything against a pitbull other than another pitbull. you know when they are locked up on ech other you can often see them wagging their tales in the heat of the battle. if you separate them after a turn? they are screaming and crying to go back after the other dog. its what they do. 
 
also dont believe that the pitbull is a cross between a bulldog and a terrier. there are plenty of old wood carvings from centuries before the pitbull was allegedly created in the 1800's and the akc is in denial about this. the ukc and the adba neither 1 believes this about their history. the bull terrier was done like that but not the apbt. 
 
these dogs ( going by what the adba and ukc believes ) were bred by early man as bait. they are wild animal baiting dogs. early man would tie them up to the base of trees and use them as bait.thats why when they bite they do not let go...letting go means you rae most probably going to be bitten...why would you give up your hold in a fight ? 1 reason...to get a better one. they would fight the big game animals from the reletive safety of the trees and what dogs survived an all out attack by bears and the like were used for breeding. the ones that were severly hurt and that would let the men care for them also lived. the ones that would not let the men handle them when they were injured....they died. it has been bred into the pitbull not to attack the men it is fighting with. you can handle most of them in the heat of battle...another dog locked on to them. you can put a breaking stick in their mouth to separate them and they will not bite you because of pain. a regular dog will bite you almost everytime it is injured...especially if you try to handle it when something is locked onto it....killing it. 
 
sorry for the long rant but anything close to the same weight of a pb has 0000000000000 chance against it....if it a good representative of its breed. 
 
1 mort thing. 
 
 
 
a guy had a mckenzie vally timber wolf that was really beautiful. he was bragging on it...saying it killed pb's. i told him we could give them just a friendly roll and separate them when things got nasty. he would not and also i would not have done it anyway. 
 
as going by the rules a dog must show willingness to fight. the wolf would nt even face off against my dog. it went behind him and would not look at my dog.it would not face off. 
 
i knew though that having seen what a pitbull and a wolverine would do and that a wolf has no chance against a wolverine that the wolf was not going to do much to my dog. 
 
a wolf is a great survival animal and it is the best at what it does. a pitbull would never last in the wild. it would find a grizzly bear and get swatted and that will be it...but make no mistake...the pitbull will make the grizzly swat him.. 
 
 
 
and to end on a good note. 
 
 
 
seargent stubby is recoginized as the most decorated war dog of all time. ww1 and is also recoginized as the forst war dg. 
 
 
 
google seargent stubby.he captured a german spy, helped personally liberate a village in belgium and the women of the village made a vest for him and GENERAL PERSHING personally decorated stubby. they also had a ticker tape parade for him and he met 3 presidents and had an open invitation to any YMCA that had bedding and food..for free meals and boarding.
Posted @ Sunday, November 06, 2011 3:22 PM by just me
I would like to see the dog that can pull 12,000 pounds. Are you people serious? 12,000 pounds? what dog could pull that. Maybe if it were two Roll Royce cars on a flat surface, but drag 12,000 pounds? Cops have told me that they have knocked pitbulls out with a good punch or a kick... so, please, pitbulls are not demigods, they are flesh and blood and any wild wolf would make short work of one and guess what? Wolves rarely, if ever, try fighting a lynx or a bobcat. Let's be real here, the pitbull would be blinded in two seconds. end of story.
Posted @ Wednesday, November 16, 2011 3:05 PM by Dave
Pound for pound a pitbull is the stongest animal???? Ahhh, I think a 200 pound leopard might disagree with you.
Posted @ Wednesday, November 16, 2011 3:16 PM by Dave
Let me just say this. Anyone on here has no evidence. Their just making up stupid shit. Honestly, I think no one would ever put their pit against any wild animal no matter size. I can tell u that I love reading threads on animal face-offs. But there's many things that I can do rather than just sit across the computer desk. Good news for the dog, he can still win but very less chance. Peace out my brotha!! 
 
 
 
Oo btw, pitbulls don't even have the strongest bite. Idk how to rank them because Idk the order to it. All I know is that Rottweilers have the strongest biteforce and next to that it's the German Shepherd. All dogs don't have jaws that it's consider lock. It's the bite pressure that it bites down and wouldn't let go. That makes it a good grip so when they kill their opponent, it does the death shake.
Posted @ Saturday, November 19, 2011 1:28 PM by Jonathan Hang
a pit bull can beat a bobcat no problem a bobcat will end up losing to fox,dholes kill tigers,african wild dogs kill lions,ratel kills lion,and while cats are being beaten by every animal on the planet big dogs are winning hows the for canine power
Posted @ Monday, November 21, 2011 2:57 PM by jc
OH AND ONE DOG CAN PULL TRACTORS ITS THE KURDISH KANGAL ITS ONE OF THE STRONGEST DOGS IT CAN HUNT LIONS AND PULL THOUSANDS OF POUNDS
Posted @ Monday, November 21, 2011 3:03 PM by jc
mate why a pitbull v bobocat?anyways the bobcat wud come out on top here,seriously man we no u must be a pitbull lover,but against a fully grown male bobcat,these animales are like lightning,and there power houses,the poor pitt wud be getten sliced 2 death everytime it tries 2 bite the cat,its armoery is just way 2 much 4 the dog,but now if u got a bigger and stronger dog like a rott,any not just any rott,1 thats fucking huge and nos how 2 fight,trust me iv seen them now that wud be a diff story,iv seen rotts that are specially bred 2 the size of a fucking horse well maybe not but use no wat i mean there extra big and nothen but pure muscle bobcat no chance
Posted @ Thursday, November 24, 2011 12:36 PM by derek
bobcat kills pit evey single time 1000000000% of the time the pitbull dies with out touching the cat!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted @ Monday, November 28, 2011 3:45 PM by tony
Dear Zak, there's no such video on youtube or anywhere on the net about a kangal killing a bobcat as you claim. You're biased towards dogs & your comments reflect that. Plus bobcats don't live in Central Asia & Eastern Europe where people use kangals to protect their live stocks. Pitbull vs bobcat isn't fair at all...try cougar vs pitbull without having the cougar defanged & declawed like those Argentinians used to do (now prohibited) againts their dogos. The dogs intestines would be hanging out in seconds!
Posted @ Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:58 AM by sep
oooh good one. Bobcat in nature where it would almost always have the drop on the pit, but the pitbull if you fling them both into a cage.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:49 PM by caleb
A fully grown bobcat would destroy a full grown pit bull even if it was trained to fight.You are talking about an animal who gets fed from a bowl between fights and an animal that is a carnivore ...it kills to live.Moreover a cougar would kill any dog of any species no matter how large.
Posted @ Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:25 PM by john gallagher
Bobcat would make quick work of a Pitbull. Pitbulls are trained to kill. Bobcats are born to do it. No dog would ever win against a cat similar in size and weight.
Posted @ Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:29 PM by john gallagher
I suggest some of you do some research, "fighting dogs" generally have had no issues with bobcats in the past when they were used on hunts. Honestly this is a one sided fight in favor of the pitbull.
Posted @ Monday, January 23, 2012 12:03 AM by Dogger
I am 10000% sure that the cat will win because it is the largest cat in europe and it is wild so I will say that the cat wins.
Posted @ Sunday, February 05, 2012 9:52 AM by shehzor
The Pitbull wins EASILY. Some of you people know nothing about fighting. Animal or human. A TRAINED TO FIGHT animal is better at FIGHTING than a wild animal. Look at UFC fights. You can have a big ass dude get into a cage with no training, just ferocity and strength and the trained guy will rip him to shreds.  
 
 
 
Pitbulls have been bred for generations to kill. A Bobcat knows how to hunt....these are two different things. If we are talking, one on one and in a fight setting the Pit Bull destroys it. Sure the Bobcat will rip the Pit apart but it WONT MATTER....The Pit will just keep fighting. The cat will run out of energy and the Pit will still be as fresh as he was when he started the fight. The Bobcat would do a lot of damage to be sure, but the Pit gets a hold of the Bobcat and the fight ends. Period.  
 
 
 
Go back and watch UFC 1 when you see what happens when a trained fighter from a long family lineage of fighting, takes on tough guys, but guys who dont have real world fight experience. lol. 
 
 
 
Im not simply just comparing humans to animals, but it needs to be said that the Pit Bull is a well trained killer who has been conditioned to fight through pain, ignore fatigue, and is for its weight the most powerful animal.  
 
 
 
Someone mentioned Bobcats vs a Wolf. Thats fine, a fighting dog Pit Bull would tear a wolf apart as well. 
 
 
 
Im not talking about a domesticated Pit Bull. I agree a domesticated Pit isnt all that fearsome. Im talking about a fighting Pit from a long line of fighting dogs. 
 
 
 
btw.....I run a dog rescue and HATE dog fighting with a passion. I love all animals and hate any sort of forced animal combat. We will also take in cats, but we specialize in dogs. But hey its always intriguing to think "who would win" so thats why I am responding. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, February 08, 2012 7:19 PM by Sean C
If it's one of them pitbulls that you would see in the back of a pickup truck, the cat might be in trouble LOL!!
Posted @ Wednesday, February 08, 2012 7:35 PM by Kenny
Sean c and just me are on point. I bred game bred pit bulls for years. Iwhen I was getting out of breeding I had my lone male monsta. 37 pounds. I live in cedar hill Texas. Something was going in my trash and monsta would bark all night. I would tie him up just so he would not get rabies. Well I saw the bab cat one night. Scared the shit out of me. I never saw a cat that big without going to the Dallas zoo. Monsta broke his tie out and the next morning the was a mangled dead bob cat in my back yard. Monsta was running around shaking the dead animal. I,m going to see If I have the pic. I have a vid when I first saw the bob cat walking around. The cat is too soft for a pit bull. I had a body with game bred 100# ers and were complete monsters. Give me a cougar that same size and the cougar will try to get out the fight. Oh yeah for you cat lovers. A bear is a dog. Put the grizzly against a big cat.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:33 PM by Dyno
a bear is not really a dog? It's a bear..but if you were gonna compare it to something else, it would be a good combination between a dog and a primate.
Posted @ Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:18 AM by Kenny
I don't think a Pitbull matches up well with Cats in the wild. The big four, Tigers, Lions, Leopards and Jaguars, along with Cougars, are just too big and powerful, and the smaller cats, with the exception of the Eurasian Lynx, are probably just too small, although the Bobcat would give a good account of itself. The Euro Linx can weigh up to 70 lbs. A cat of that size could probably take any dog alive. They are incredibly quick and stronger than a lot of people think. Being solitary animals, they'll avoid a fight if they can, not because they're scared, but because they can't afford to risk an injury. I would say anything smaller than a big male Euro Lynx, probably has no better than a 50/50 chance against a Pitbull, and maybe even a little less than that. It's hard to handicap this fight, because a PB trained to fight , is just a mass of muscle and rage, while a Cats in the wild are pure killing machines.
Posted @ Monday, February 20, 2012 2:46 AM by Jayson
God,most of you sound like huge losers!!!Anyone who fights their dogs for amusement,money,or ego,should be made to fight off three huge rapist men in the PEN!!!
Posted @ Thursday, March 08, 2012 2:58 AM by patty
a good game american pitbull would kill any fukn bobcat, to strong and powerfull, maybe not as quick as a bobcat but quick enuff and it wont give up until that bobcat stops moving!!!!!!! hey dyno did ya find that pic???
Posted @ Saturday, April 07, 2012 2:22 AM by digity dave
sum people seriously underestimate the pitbull!!! a pitbull will fight nething just for fun and it will die trying. a pitbull would have the time of its life fighting a bobcat, a bobcat would be fighting for its life!!!!
Posted @ Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:54 AM by digity dave
Bandog (neopolitian mastiff x pitty ) 
is the way to go . would fuck up a pure bred pitty any day . 200 pound mastiff with pitty attitude ... nothing going to stand a chance
Posted @ Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:36 AM by Daniel
If the bobcat were able to get a claw on the underside of the pit bull, those guts would spill and this would end the fight. I'd say that the only chance the pit bull would have would be to catch the cat in the neck and crush it's throat. Anywhere else and the cat's teeth and claws will bleed out the pit bull.
Posted @ Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:29 PM by Endoxa52
I can say that no need of a bobcat.A maine coon or a big ragdoll can easily defeat a doberman or german sheperd also so i am sure the bobcat would win. 
Posted @ Tuesday, May 01, 2012 4:59 AM by shehzor
if the pb got hold in a less than neck area it would get latched onto by bobcat claws and gutted and bleed out fast, in addition to what the bobcats fangs were doing. even in a neck zone, the bobcat can bleed out dog before dog can kill cat, unless it's a broken neck. both critters will be damaged in the least.
Posted @ Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:04 PM by Willis
pittbulls and other large breed dogs are very strong but cats are also incredibly strong for thier size. you should never underestimate the strength of a cat, even a small one.cougars will often attack bears if found in thier territory. lionesses have been known to go after full grown Nile crocs when hungry. 
 
Fight training would have a lot to do with the outcome of tis fight. 
 
Also the agressiveness of the individual animals at the time. 
 
A wild animals instinct is to survive and would therefore avoid a fight as much as possible. However if the bobcat was trained to fight it would have the advantage. 
 
P.S. fyi- man is the most dangerous animal on the planet.
Posted @ Monday, May 21, 2012 8:41 PM by russell
If the cat was of equal size, the pitbull would be in for a very dark day. I don't think some people realize how strong these cats are. 
 
As ferocious as a trained pitbull is, it pales in comparison to that of a wild animal. Cats can't be trained to fight. Fighting is not a sport to a big cat. It's life or death. A 45lb bobcat will out-muscle and out-quick a 45lb pitbull. The pit has NEVER faced anything like a big cat and fangs and claws will be coming at him from everywhere. This is not the UFC or some crap like that. This is less a fight, and more of a battle for survival between an animal that's trained to fight, and an animal that is a PREDATOR that only knows to KILL.
Posted @ Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:43 PM by Jayson
A game pit bull will mauled any bob cat/lynx all day and every day, there is no contest. 
The pit bull will initiate fight and bully the shit out of the cat 
It will fit the cat head in it's mouth. 
A GAMED pit might weigh only 50 to 60lbs but it's trained to carry much more weight and will overpower bigger animal then it's self. 
The real contest will be a 60lbs game pit bull vs a small cougar 80lbs.
Posted @ Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:58 AM by Vince
The Pitbull couldn't handle a 60lb lynx. You put him up against an 80lb Cougar, which would be a very small, or very young Cougar, and you'd wind up with little bitty pieces of Pittbull all over the place. I'll say it one more time; these cats are KILLERS. They will go straight for the throat, and they are more than strong enough to pin and hold down a Pitbull.
Posted @ Monday, June 04, 2012 11:02 AM by Jayson
Hahaha I would like to see your game 60 pound little pity take on my160 pound beast of a neo mastiff
Posted @ Monday, June 04, 2012 9:25 PM by hahahaha
My 50lbs bull terrier as killed a trespassing bobcat in my property and she is not a game dog I can only imagine what a game pit bull will do. 
A neo mastiff can't fight for shit pit bull have been pitted with much larger breed and they win. 
Gamed Pit bull can pull 100 time it's body weight, gamed pit bull fight time record 6 hours, gamed pit bull can hop 6' fence, gamed pit bull bite force is tremendous, GAMED pit bull are catch dogs for a reason and are able to go boar hunting and prey on 300lbs boars. Cats in general just don't have the tenacity or stamina a game pit bull have nor does it have the BALLS or aggression, the GAMED pit bull feels no pain, it does not fear anything, it's ready to die, its a true warrior. All you uneducated about this subjet opinieted morons have no idea what a game pitbull is capable of there is no way a bob cat could kill a pit, in fact bobcat have been in the pit and have die just like much bigger wolf.
Posted @ Monday, June 04, 2012 11:34 PM by Vince
 
Vince let's clarify that pit bulls don't prey on 300 pnd boars. It takes a pack of pits to take one down. A single pit would be tusked through the skull at first bite - if it got a bite in. 
Contrarily, lions very often kill water buffalo and gnu by themselves... at least 4 times their own weight. On a weekly basis, for a living. Crocs, too. No tortured/trained 'gaming' pit bull would have to the balls to do that.  
Now a hyena would scare off a lion female, but a pit bull would not scare off a Bobcat of equal size.  
Bobcats eat dear which are twice the size of a pit bull. Pit bulls can't hunt dear...or jump on their backs and snap their necks. If the pit got a bite in and held on, the deer would drag it back in the woods and poop on it. Or just toss it into the air with its antlers and play poke the puppy. This is why dogs must hunt in packs. 
 
I'm surprised no one has started a Pit Bull vs. Godzilla thread. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:54 AM by Willis
@willi you are wright you need multiple game catch pitbull to take down a 300lbs wild boar, but for it's size the pitbull is widely used for big game hunt and it's favor over dogs breed that weigh over 150lbs, that tell you something. 
All wild animal you mention prey using ambush predation, a game pitbull won't in fact bobcat are not built for dead on fight. A lion as 440lbs on a pitbull your comment don't even make since, a 500lbs pitbull will surely mauled a African lion just like pitbull maul linx/bobcat with no problem. A single hyena will not scare a female lion it's a fact but a pack of hyena would surely make here feel in comfortable. 
south African boeboral are pitted with hyena and they do kill hyena.no wild animal as the drive, the will to fight, pain tollarence, and strength per body mass that can equal a game pit bull, if you actualy saw a game pitbull in action you would understand what i am saying. Also cougar themselves can't take down a big wild boar and dog skull are extremely dense you would need multiple gun shots to kill a pitbull by shouting it in the head I really dough a boar can do that with it's tusk highly unpropable.
Posted @ Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:15 AM by Vince
Vince, I'm not saying lion vs. pitbull...I mean lions eat things 4x their size and then take a nap. Yes, usually with a pack of lions, but often without. Leopards do this alone and drag deer twice their weight up trees. A bobcat could drag a pitbull up a tree for leftovers...a pit bull can't do that...which besides specialized musculature shows the bobcat has the agile strength to out-wrestle a straight line attacking dog and render it shredded. 
 
Now..a 300 pnd boar vs. a pit bull....is the same as the dog hitting a car head on. It doesn't matter if the dog's skull is penetrated...it's neck and lower jaw are disconnected from its head. Boars have extreme neck and shoulder strength and 8 inch tusks. This is why you don't see single pits going boar hunting, unless you want to get rid of a dog.  
 
Yes Pits are better big game hunters than much bigger dogs..their stamina and ferocity and not feeling pain, seemingly. 
 
And finally...have you ever tried to hold a cat or dog down by its neck? If a dog latches on to your arm and you take it down and kneel on its kneck, it will be done in a minute. Hopefully you still have part of your arm. If you do that to a big cat it will be tearing the shit out of you from all 4's and you will let go out of pain, surpise and damage. 
 
Would you rather be holding a 60 pnd pit bull down by the neck or a 60 pnd bobcat ? You'd get some scratches from the dog but you'd be missing a face, eyes, tendons, arteries and blood like with a big bobcat if you were dumb enough to continue holding it. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:59 PM by Willis
@Willis again this shows me how little you know about game dogs. 
A game pit can hold it's hole body weigh and 100% of it's mass added on him on a spring pole and hang on there for 20+ minutes all the support is done purely by it's jaw strength and stamina on top of that it will still try to tear apart the pole by checking it's neck left and right. 
Two a pitbull is capable of pulling 100 time it's body weight. 
The bobcat will be overwhelm in a instant by the pit, in fact the pit don't care about pain and the bobcat do it will win just by getting compliance from the cat by pain. 
A 100lbs dogo argentino can handle a boar 3 times it's weight with no problem, in fact my own dogo is a living proof of that, you hues multiple dogs for boar hunting not because 1 dog can't handle the boar but because it's faster with more and they can keep energy reserve to get 10 boar in 1 hunting day. 
I will try to hold the pit down by it's neck only because a game pit won't harm a human but if it was to fight back I'll take the bobca/lynx because 1 bite from the pit and you have a broken bone and it's not going to run away wen you let go but keep on inflicting serious damage until it die or the person it attack dies, I can manage a wild bobcat easily it will be weary and not sure the pit won't hesitate and won't feel pain.
Posted @ Tuesday, June 05, 2012 4:43 PM by Vince
@willi also the only fear of the boar tusk comes from hitting a dogs artery that's why Calvar vest are used, the other fear is if you bog is to small like a bey dog or even a pit it could get stompt on, but that none since about it's neck and lower jaws getting disconnected is not true a pit hang from hears, neck, head.... They use to do that on bulls hence the PIT BULL
Posted @ Tuesday, June 05, 2012 4:56 PM by Vince
kevlar pussey dog vs. boars? I'm sorry to vacate this dialogue as it's dumb. But if there's a smarter thing going on please include me - waveav@htom.com 
Posted @ Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:06 PM by Willis
I would have to say a pitt would kill a bob cat,, most of the time,, bob cats are not that big,,, in a cage where cat is scared and just wants to get out,, in the wild protectiing its kittens dont thing pitt will win every time,,,, that said If any of you pitt bull tards think a pitt is going to kill a cougar , mt lion, you just crazy,, what part of apex predator do you not understand,, on land big cats are on the top of the food chain, other than people,,, watch the video of the cougar killing that wolf in about 10 seconds, wolf goes for cats neck (as would a pitt) cat is faster goes above dog and contorts to the side (uses claws for grip not slashing) holds the dog, gets on top flips dog on side and holds it down and bits its neck, all your crap about stamina and no fear and no pain, does not matter the dog will be dead in 20 seconds, the cat is designed to kill and kill fast,, a pit cat kill a wolf i agree but not nearly as efficient as that cat does, again cougar in a cage I give the upper hand to the pitt, cat will be scared and just trying to get away,,, in the wild cat will not even be fighting it will be in kill mode cause thats what they do kill to eat and they dont have to be trained!!!!!
Posted @ Friday, June 29, 2012 3:01 PM by David
I changed my mind,,, Raise a bob cat from a kitten, in a really big natural caged enviroment,, letting cat feed on dogs its whole life,, from puppies to bigger dogs,, once cat is a full grown adult that has been eating dogs its whole life , this way its not just fighting to ward off is trying to eat, I think 50 lb bob cat kills and eats baddest pittbull on the planet. kills it in less than a min.
Posted @ Saturday, June 30, 2012 12:22 PM by David
David game pit bull kill wolf much bigger then it's self. 
Dogo argentino, tosa inu, presa canario, boeboral all if gamed and from a game line kill cougar in a one on one fight and 5 out of 10 does giant dog breed would lose to a pit bull in a pit. Morron apex predator by unbush predation does not mean it can fight dead on. You must must be very uneducated about GAME PIT BULL again my female bull terrier is only 50lbs and as kill a trespassing bob cat and she is not gamed or from a game line. 
A game pit bull vs a bob cat in a pit as allrady been try the cat lose fast, it as no chance the pit is just to brutall and fearless and don't feel pain. Gamed pit keep on going for hours even with broken bones and flesh anging out the day you see that in real time and experience it you'll understand a bob cat as nothing on a pit and a smal cougar would be more of a fight vs a game pit.
Posted @ Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:18 AM by Vince
Vince, as I said earlier in a cage yes I agree pittbull will win, cause cat is going to be scared and just trying to find a way out, You dont seem to understand that if the cat was trying to kill the pittbull for food it would be much different,, throwing a wild caught in cat in a cage is completely unfair... cougar killed that wolf in seconds not hours,, cougar would kill a pittbull in seconds if it were trying to kill it to eat it... A bob cat that was trying to kill to eat would be a different attack than a bob cat trying to ward away,, cat trying to kill would not be using claws to scratch, would be using claws to hold on to back while is bites neck and bleeds out prey, once that cat has its preys back there is nothing a dog can do to shake it,, feeling pain blah blah blah does not matter when your bleeding out from a fatal puncture to you jugular vein.. Ill give you in a cage, hell maybe even a jaguar in a cage
Posted @ Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:55 PM by david
not everyone that owns a pittbull is a dumbass, however EVERY dumbass owns a pittbull!!!!!!
Posted @ Tuesday, July 03, 2012 2:11 PM by david
Fact: In 2004 a wild bobcat killed an 120 pound pit bull terrier in South Carolina. 
 
 
 
http://markgelbart.wordpress.com/2012/09/20/the-bobcat-lynx-rufus-another-pleistocene-survivor/
Posted @ Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:55 AM by Mark Gelbart
It depends really, I know of bobcats killing put bulls, my brothers redness  
Put bull killed a bobcat a couple years ago and even though he needed stitches all over his head and throat he still acted as if he was fine before we got the bet. There was a dogo Argentina in Argentina that killed a cougar within gives mins. Never underestimate a bull breed dog.
Posted @ Saturday, November 24, 2012 2:43 PM by mars horonzy
Ok a pitbull would break bones on first bite !!! Bobcat may well take an eye !!!all it would take is one good grip and then the figure 8 rag doll motion ,game set and match!!!! ?? I live in Australia and own two rednose pits, we go out bush on holidays ! My female took out a fully grown goana !! These things are quick and very strong !! It was all over in 7 secs . A lil longer if u wanna count the dying twitches !! Pitbulls take down wild boars !! Whats a big cat gonna do !!! Scratch and scar !! And I have never seen a German shepherd support it's body weight by its jaws let alone thrash it's body about whilst Doin so !!!
Posted @ Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:23 AM by Pity lover !!
I think it depends on situation, Cat in a pit no way just going to be trying to get away, Healthy adult in wild trying to eat would be a different attack, not a scratching attack, would go for back and bite neck, mouth is plenty big and teeth are plenty big to puncture juggler vein on a pitt. claws would be used for control and hanging on! cat fighting to get away vs dog, I agree dog, cat hunting dog to eat I think cat has different attack and wins, there is the video of a cougar killing a wolf in seconds, dont think a healthy cougar in the wild would have any issues with any dog, but thats a different cat much bigger. they are apex predators for a reason
Posted @ Wednesday, November 28, 2012 5:41 PM by david
never underestimate cats, they are extremely agile, extremely fast, built to kill not fight.... if pittbull only grew to be 15 lbs, they would not even be able to kill a common alley cat that was pissed. Cats are ahead on the food chain for a reason!!!!
Posted @ Wednesday, November 28, 2012 5:50 PM by David
Did the dog wen and yes I am 9years old but I have ,a pit bull and I want to know did the dog win  
Posted @ Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:27 PM by Robyn liles
Just so you guys know, bobcats can weigh up to 50 lbs. A 50 lb cat is an extremely dangerous opponent for ANY dog.  
 
I'm a dog person all the way, but pound for pound, cats are MUCH tougher. 
 
Pitbull's bite is ridiculously overestimated, they can spend up to an hour in their dog fights (which shows how ineffective their bites are at killing). The highest I've ever seen a pitbull bite at is around 240 psi (and their canines are pretty dull compared to a bobcats). 
 
Bobcat has much larger canines and sharper teeth, and also much more dexterity in its forelimbs with razor sharp claws on their paws.  
 
And, being a cat, it probably has a considerable strength advantage as well. Not to mention agility. Cats can also leap onto their prey and when that happens... game over (that's how tigers have killed bull Indian elephants before).  
 
I've heard stories of bobcats ripping the faces off of very large german shepherds with one swipe.  
 
Pitbulls are bred to fight other dogs, they are no match for cats.  
 
The pitbull is lunch.
Posted @ Monday, December 03, 2012 7:38 PM by SpiderSilva
Ironically I was in the mountains walking with my Pit bull of the leash in Colorado a week and a half ago when a bobcat crossed the path in front of us. Needless to say my dog took off and had the bobcat pinned within about six seconds and I heard a gruesome crunching noise that of the cat's skull in my dogs mouth. At the time I didn't know what a bobcat was so I brought the cat's body to the Forestry Center in town: when they looked at it and weighed it it turned out to be a 34 pound male; only about eight pounds less then my dog. 
 
My pit was a rescue dog that was intended on having 'fighting' litters in Pueblo when its previous owners were thrown in jail, and she is fairly small--but she killed that bobcat like it wasn't anything. 
 
In the end, bobcats are probably better hunters; but pit bulls were selectively bred to kill something about the same size and shape as bobcats for hundreds of years. Either way this argument is silly, but I saw my pit kill the largest bobcat that those Forestry workers have ever seen in their lives; effortlessly.
Posted @ Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:46 PM by hankyfarms
"The twist here is that the pitbull is "game," meaning that it's more combative, more agressive..." 
 
Correct 
 
Like some other people pointed out above, pittbulls are naturally prone to kill. And people even train then to further ignore more pain and fatigue, to be used for game or whatever. 
 
Now i wonder if you could train a big cat to be a mad killer instead of a stalker, and then make it really angry. 
 
"In a cage where cat is scared and just wants to get out..." 
 
Also correct 
 
I dont think that a pittbull would have an easy time against a bobcat, supposing that both are conditioned to fight on cages. Do not underestimate the agility of an angry cat, it wouldnt be easy to grab its troath with a bite. 
Posted @ Sunday, January 06, 2013 2:45 PM by Laszlo
I know a few park rangers & here is what I think - There are so many factors to consider from both the cat & Dog. They have both mauled & killed humans. I know a guy who runs Pit pack dogs for years. These were aggressive trained dogs that killed boar in pack but "IF" the Boar got a tusk on a pits belly while bucking it was over...sliced! The dogs were also lossed to alligator on hunts. I played with a baby tiger once and when I got aggressive it batted my hand harder than any human I know of with amazing speed. It was about the size of a bobcat. Now, the trained dog would be a good fighter & the cat will certainly run. I've seen man examples of that. But...the cat has the element of surprise because they are so small the dog has no clue what its going after....An angry house cat? I'm serious a small domestic dog will chase a bobcat into a tree. Now , the dog won't certainly be in full attack mode because it has never dealt with or seen a bobcat. It thinks its a house cat. SO...I say when the dog goes to play with that cat ...if it corners it it will get the usual. Cat attacks with fangs and all 4's tearing. Once the dog is stunned it would probably run. So everyone is missing the element of surprise cats Love to use against dumb dogs as they would think. Also a common tactic would be for the car to leap over the dog onto its back on all fours with hair raised! Dog usually flees at that point. So my opinon is it all depends. One last detail....some bobcats are very small. If you talking about the Lynx or canadian bobcat which is much bigger. I'd certainly go with the cat. The cat will hands down be faster than the dog.....everytime!
Posted @ Tuesday, January 08, 2013 12:33 AM by ParkRanger1
The rufus lynx - bobcat is small. So the math works like this. You got 28 razor sharp teeth and 4 clevers vs a locking jaw. Now it is proven that cats are much faster & agile. But.... also get much stronger with size like...a multiplier ! Thats the answer. The erasion lynx gets to 70 lbs. and at that size has the power of a small cougar. So the pitbull "doesn't " have that kind of power to weight ratio with size added. A bigger bobcat or better Lynx would devour a Pit!!! check out this pic!  
 
http://pinterest.com/pin/86131411593734882/
Posted @ Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:23 AM by ParkRanger1
One last thing, my uncle had a friend who had an ocelot. A cat of the leopard species but only gets to 40 lbs. or so. So bobcat size. It was declawed and teeth taken out. He will tell you that people know and understand how pitbulls act and attack. But not cats...they are speaking from absolutely no knowledge of the subject. That cat attacked him , leaped many feet into the air, grabbed him by the throat and had him pinned on the ground. So again...we see these cute pics of what appears to be an aggressive house cat......way wrong perception!
Posted @ Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:33 AM by ParkRanger1
Bobcats kill coyotes dead....many documented cases! I had a friend once that had a monster cat that was only 1/2 Georgia Wildcat, and I personally saw this four-legged Catitude whip a Rotweiler, TWO Dobermans(at the same time!), AND a Pittbull, all of which were at least TWICE its' size, in different fights! One real COOL CAT! 
So what chance would a coyote have against a full-blood 'cat? !
Posted @ Tuesday, January 08, 2013 2:02 AM by Grizly1
This is obviously a case where people like there dogs and are saying they will win. Here are the facts. Pits don't kill boar, the take them down in packs after its shot. Glorified stories! A 150lb. Hogdog will kill a 30 lb. bobcat. Now there are many documented cases of cougar devouring pitbulls. Videos of cougar killing Elk, Moose, Wolves, even grizzly bear! the answer as stated before is SIZE! If its a big bobcat or lynx reaching 50-70 lbs. Thats the size of a small female cougar. Go figure. No stories about pits taking out bears on a hunt or wild boar! Sure!
Posted @ Tuesday, January 08, 2013 12:57 PM by DrSam
Cool facts:  
 
Cougars are infamous for killing dogs by crushing the skull.  
 
Well this actually happened. Knew some folks that used to raise fighting dogs and they decided to pit a mountain lion against a pit. It was a big deal and lots of folks showed up for the big fight.  
 
It was held in a barn where they had a ML in a cage. They let the dog loose first, then opened the cage and the cat came out. The cat went right for the dog and the dog headed for the cat. They met halfway and the cat smacked the dog and rolled him over. The dog got up and headed to the corner of the barn, the cat went wild bouncing off the walls of the barn. Someone opened the barn door and the cat hauled ass for the woods.  
 
Western North Carolina near the TN border, early 1980's. True story. /thread.
Posted @ Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:05 PM by DrSam
The cat would get a nose bleed at best. Cats are pound for pound much stronger than any dog. Try to hold a domestic cat that is wild. You will get a surprise and that is a small cat. Dog would get his ass kicked big time.
Posted @ Tuesday, January 08, 2013 11:42 PM by docwyatt
Whoever posted this stupid question is an asshole. Common sense tells you a wild animal vs a domestic dog. A cat that hunts vs a domestic yard dog. Gimme a break.
Posted @ Tuesday, January 08, 2013 11:50 PM by docwyatt
I have seen wild pits on tv attacking people and a Big Cop shows up. When the pit lunges at the cop he front kicked it to the ground...LOL! This is a long post with some very skewed facts. The bobcats will fight to the death over territory alone. People havn't studied the animal. All small wildcats aren't going to go toe to toe with a pit. They use there reach advantage to stay away & the thing nobody has mentioned......they go for the vital areas....hello!!! Thats why when a human gets attacked by one they go for veins, nerves under the arm, eyes,etc. Come on people....just like a real wildcat or wolf. They are very trained at what they do!!!! The story about the guys pit killing the bobcat in seconds is bullshit!!! The pit could never catch the thing.....good one! Try another :)
Posted @ Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:36 AM by Cliffhanger
HankyFarms story is BS! His pit took off and caught and killed the bobcat in seconds. So from a distance it caught up to it and was dead in seconds. Ya...the bobcat couldn't hear him coming and didn't know what hit em. Sure buddy!
Posted @ Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:39 AM by Cliffhanger
Put things into perspective for people ...here are 2 youtube vids. One shows the size of the damn paws which are like clevers. The other one where the damn thing leaps about 6 feet in the air to attack its owner. The speed of the swat is a blur.....blinding fast! I have seen a doberman get its eyes clawed out by a house cat. Come on!  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niJg7Q1XLyU 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMntFgfSM6Y
Posted @ Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:58 AM by Cliffhanger
Here's the COLD truth guys: Bobcat kills 120lb. Pit!!!http://markgelbart.wordpress.com/2012/09/20/the-bobcat-lynx-rufus-another-pleistocene-survivor/ 
 
Adult bobcats weigh between 20-50 pounds. It’s surprising that a 20 pound cat can kill a 200 pound deer. This curiosity of nature is almost like something from Ripley’s Believe it or Not. But this predation has been recorded many times–I found half a dozen photos on google images of bobcats successfully killing adult deer, though they more often kill fawns.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:45 AM by JustinBeiber
I am glad some of the posters on here realize that this is Not a good match. Domestic Yard Dog would not have a chance. Dogs think slower, react slower and while the pit is licking it's balls, the wild cat, claws sharp as shit, Cat bigger longer teeth. No match.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 09, 2013 5:37 AM by docwyatt
I read some Posts on here from "Vince". He said it takes multiple gun shots in the head to kill a pit bull. Bull Shit. Your pit bull must have a Metal armor skull. Come on. Be real. One gun shot to the head will kill a pit. You think your dogs are terminator dogs. Ass.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 09, 2013 6:12 AM by docwyatt
So STUPID! There are dozens of videos with pits getting killed by single shot. .22 to the head would do that! If you shot a bear with a 44 mag and didn't out it in the keyhole it wouldn't flinch. But pits take out bears lol!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp8cN-shmV8
Posted @ Wednesday, January 09, 2013 6:21 PM by JustinBeiber
Oh, please bob cats killing a pitbull? Don't make me laugh. The average bobcat is no where near 50 pounds and even if it was, it's still a small cat when compared to other cats that are on average 50 pounds. Why? Looking at the bobcat's skull it's clear that this is not a cat that evolved to take down large game. It means the bobcat is a small prey specialist. It generally hunts prey that most dogs around the pitbulls average weight could kill. The largest game bobcats take are the occasional doe. Now you tell me what 45 pound dog couldn't kill young deer and does? 
 
Actually look at a bobcats claws, there's no way it'll be "raking" flesh open, spilling the dog's guts onto the ground. That has NEVER been documented in regards to such a small felid. The fact of the matter is claws of those size would cause superficial damage. Ever heard of bobcats killing deer by clawing it to death? No. So why some people are stupid enough to suggest that in this case is funny. As if bobcats usually kill aggressive fighting dogs that are larger and stronger than themselves all the time in the wild. As I said before, don't make me laugh! The bobcat's jaws are small when compared to the pitbulls jaws because it's a cat that evolved to take smaller prey!
Posted @ Monday, January 14, 2013 5:58 PM by Slice
As for this so called story of a bobcat killing a 120 pit: 
 
http://markgelbart.wordpress.com/2012/09/20/the-bobcat-lynx-rufus-another-pleistocene-survivor/  
 
American pitbull terriers rarely reach over 70 pounds. It was just someone's chained bully type dog in the back yard. Means nothing.
Posted @ Monday, January 14, 2013 6:09 PM by Slice
So Mr. Slice, I guess a Pit Bull can take out any cat in the wild. How about a panther or a small tiger or a small lion. Man these pits can kill any cat on the planet.
Posted @ Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:14 AM by docwyatt
Oh wait. Mr. Slice. I forgot a cougar too. Where is your head in the clouds. You got a Yard Dog. So any cat would not have a chance against a pit. You are in dreamland.
Posted @ Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:23 AM by docwyatt
Here's the thing, doc, could have sworn I was referring to a pitbull fighting a bobcat, not lions, tigers, cougars and what have you. I can see you're one of those "slow" people, so I'll keep it short and directly to the point. A bobcat is a small cat, understand? This means unlike its large relatives, it isn't as robust as larger cats. (Excluding the clouded leopard which appears to have big cat qualities in a smaller body.). They seldom take anything larger than a doe so they fill in that niche perfectly, like all other small to med range wild felids. Hence the small head and claw size in comparison to their body's height. The bobcat is limited by its smaller jaw gape as well. This means it would have trouble trying a strangulation method on the robust neck of a pitbull terrier. Remember, the largest game they take are does, not thorough bred, hyper aggressive fighting dogs. They can scratch and bite a dog up pretty good, but most med-large non-fighting dogs, you know pet dogs aren't vulnerable to such a small cat. Then again, most dogs who are attacked by bobcats aren't the certain kind of pitbulls we're speaking of.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:05 AM by Slice
You are talking about equal body weight cat to a pitbull. I have friends who have pitbulls and I told them the scenario. They laughed. They told me are you crazy. There is no match. I said the pit will win, They said No way I would never do that. I said why not. They said They would be looking for a new pit because they said pits are not hunters. The cat would have too much strength over the pit. Now this is from pit owners who fight their dogs with any other pits. But they back down from a cat. I never thought they would say that.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:54 AM by docwyatt36
Oh, how convenient. You have "friends" that you talked about subject to. Buddy, it's clear you don't understand much about limb robustcity and why a bobcat isn't as powerful as it appears. It's more agile than it is powerful.  
 
Funny, pitbulls aren't used as hunting dogs? Strange, because last time I checked, hoggers in the south in the states use them often on boars. You're telling me a pitbull would attack a fierce boar three times its size, fight to the death with another dog but run from a bobcat?  
 
http://thepitbullbible.com/blogarticles/2012oct/hogdogs.jpg 
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0ZNsBRv_Td4/TVxiYuIXfEI/AAAAAAAADR4/ja5G5v1yFf4/s1600/Dogo2.jpg 
 
Here's a video of a pitbull breaking the leg and maiming a dog THREE TIMES its size. The great dane completely destroyed the pitbulls face. That dog took 20 mins of punishment and still couldn't be killed.  
 
So buddy, do me favor and keep your little made up stories to yourself. Coondogs hunt bobcats, no pitbulls needed.  
 
http://clipsonline.org.ua/clip/494885.html 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:07 PM by Slice
What are you smoking? There is a Great Dane in my neiborhood. I pet him over the fence. A real calm natured dog. If you want to talk about dog against dog, AKA Wolf, Your bitch-Ass Pit would not have a flying Fuck chance. So go out and feed your Bitch-Ass pits. A wolf will put it in a casket. No challege at all. Not a pack, Just one (1) wolf. Do yourself a favor and put down your crack weed pipe. Dreamer.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 16, 2013 5:22 PM by docwyatt
lol You're all over the place, but I agree. A wolf would literally bite through the skull of a pitbull and a bobcat, but a pitbull would still demolish a bobcat. Remember, bobcats generally do not get larger than 30-35 pounds. Large males can get to be about as 40 pounds. In that video, the pitbull chewed through the forelimb of a very large dog in 14 minutes. A feat a wolf could do much quicker, but something a bobcat could not as indicated by its weaker carnassials. However, bobcats probably have a somewhat higher bite force in the canines, but dude to its smaller jaw gape, it would be at a disadvantage. It kills some of its larger game by strangulation. An easier task on some deer as opposed to an hyper aggressive dog that's not trying to escape, rather going for its own neck.
Posted @ Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:11 PM by Slice
Facts? Here are your FACTS as documented!  
 
#1) Bobcats can weigh 20-50lbs. The Heaviest "recorded" weight was in maine @ 76 lbs!  
 
"The fact of the matter is claws of those size would cause superficial damage. Ever heard of bobcats killing deer by clawing it to death? No! there's no way it'll be "raking" flesh open"... 
 
#2) Bobcats leave claw marks on the backs or shoulders of adult deer or antelope. On large carcasses, bobcats usually open an area just behind the ribs and begin feeding on the viscera. Sometimes feeding starts at the neck, shoulders, or hindquarters. " Bobcats and cougar " ... leave clean-cut edges of tissue or bone.  
 
 
 
 
 
Posted @ Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:31 PM by CliffHanger
I work with people in wildlife & have been talking about documented cases per this forum. A game pit will never be wilder anyways, but if its a larger male wildcat with rabies....serious damage! If they are cornered ....maximum damage! Not because it would win by transmitting, but they are that aggressive. Rots & sheppards have a stronger bite per sq. inch. by far than pits. A case in October 2012 - German Sheppeard corners bobcat in AZ. Female Bobcat shred him up so bad he was put down a few days later! Documented!
Posted @ Thursday, January 17, 2013 2:24 PM by ParkRanger1
People really underestimate the power of a cat in general. Any Cat. If you look online you will find that pound for pound a cat is stronger than a dog, any Dog. You take a 40lb Dog and a 40lb Cat of your choice. Chances are the Dog will loose. Look it up if you think this is Bullshit.
Posted @ Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:45 PM by docwyatt36
Dr. Slice your facts are all over the place , take off the glasses and scrubs. We aren't fooled :)  
 
Bobcats bite to strength ratio stronger than any other cat! Compared to big brother mountain lion : 
 
The size to strength ratio of a Mountain Lion is incredible. It is able to take down animals many times its own size. A 400 pound animal is no match against a Mountain Lion. When it kills an elk the Mountain Lion will land on its neck and pull the elk's head back with its front legs with a force strong enough to break the neck.
Posted @ Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:08 PM by JustinBeiber
Wrong!  
 
Below are the results of a new bite force study by Per Christiansen and Stephen Wroe. Both researchers previously published separate bite force studies in the past. 
 
The study's reference is: 
 
Ecology, 88 (2), 2007, P 347-358 
 
(Lynx rufus is the bobcat)  
 
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/reddhole/ChristiansenWroeResults001.jpg 
 
As you can see, the bobcat's bite force barely reaches 300PSI of pressure. This means it has a weaker bite than your typical rottweiler, yet a slightly stronger bite force than your typical pitbull. Anyone who knows anything about pitbulls knows that they DO NOT have the strongest jaws. However, what makes them effective is the method in which they use their jaws, not to mention the ability to hold steadfast. The rottweiler bites harder than a pitbull because it's a larger dog. The larger the skull, the stronger the bite. A mastiff can bite as hard as 550 pounds of pressure. A far cry from a wolf, and according to this paper, not quite strong as a coyote (which is about 780 psi.) 
 
Still with me? Because we're not talking about cougars. The bobcat is a far cry from a cougar, which is why the largest prey it takes just so happens to be deer.  
 
"Bobcats leave claw marks on the backs or shoulders of adult deer or antelope." 
 
As expected. Felid claws are like meathooks. They sink into flesh and allow the cat to hold on to struggle prey. What they don't do, however is help a cat kill the prey. Felines DO NOT kill their prey by clawing. Bobcats kill their prey by strangulation. I'd like to see some creditable sources of bobcats killing deer from clawing only. And when you consider the kind of injuries pitbulls receive from dog fighting, (broken limbs, muscle damage) why exactly would clawing phase this dog again? If anything, the damage received from clawing would be ignored.  
 
 
 
 
Posted @ Friday, January 18, 2013 1:35 AM by Slice
As for bobcat size. They generally do not reach more than 40 pounds. And that's rather large for a bobcat.  
 
According to wikipedia: 
 
 
Adult males can range in weight from 6.4 to 18.3 kg (14 to 40 lb), with an average of 9.6 kg (21 lb); females at 4 to 15.3 kg (8.8 to 34 lb), with an average of 6.8 kg (15 lb).[20][21] The largest bobcat accurately measured on record weighed 22.2 kg (49 lb), although unverified reports have them reaching 27 kg (60 lb).[22] Furthermore, a June 20, 2012 report of a New Hampshire roadkill specimen listed the animal's weight at 27 kg (60 lb) 
 
Source: 
 
^ "bobcat (mammal) - Britannica Online Encyclopedia". Britannica.com. Retrieved 2011-10-17. 
 
But wikipedia isn't a creditable source!  
 
"Study: Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica" 
 
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html 
 
Ad wouldn't you know it, that's exactly where the information regarding bobcat weight is from. 
 
Posted @ Friday, January 18, 2013 1:41 AM by Slice
"People really underestimate the power of a cat in general. Any Cat. If you look online you will find that pound for pound a cat is stronger than a dog, any Dog. You take a 40lb Dog and a 40lb Cat of your choice. Chances are the Dog will loose. Look it up if you think this is Bullshit." 
 
Oh, and I have. And here's what I found. I will words that aren't my own. 
 
(Scientists have found that limb lengths and widths (especially humerus or upper arm bone and femur or upper leg bone) correlatate strongly with body mass. Of the two, limb bone width is generally the better measure because wider bones can support more body mass. Thus, an animal with relatively wider bones is usually a stockier and therefore more powerful animal (although individual muscles may not be). 
 
The humerus and radius robustness measures are also interesting from a grappling perspective. Animals that grapple with heavy prey tend to develop a relatively more robust humerus and radius to handle the high stresses involved in handling large prey. In fact humerus and radius robustness were two key morphological traits of cats that kill large vs,. small prey in the feline grappling study I posted a few months back.
 
 
 
"Most small cats are not small versions of big cats. Over the years, many people have argued that most small cats are significantly different than big cats. Small cats often need slender bones to reduce weight and enhance agility in killing small prey. As a result, they trade off a significant amount of grappling ability. The following tables show all of the felid and canid species ranked by humerus ML diameter robusticity, AP diameter robusticity, and total humerus robusticity (AP diameter + ML diameter/humerus length). As mentioned before, I think ML diameter is the most relevant measure since some high speed runners, i.e. the cheetah, may have inflated AP diameter to withstand the stress from high speed running." 
 
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/reddhole/MLRobusticity001.jpg 
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/reddhole/APRobusticity001.jpg 
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/reddhole/TotalRobusticity002.jpg 
 
According to this data, Lynx rufus (bobcat) isn't as robust as Canis rufus (coyote.) Which would explain why bobcats tend to avoid coyotes as they would be a formidable foe to mess with. Overall, this data PROVES that lb for lb, all cats are not stronger than canines. Even the larger lynx isn't as strong as a coyote. Here's the data: 
 
Male Canadian lynx: 9.81% 
Male coyote: 14.3% 
Female Canadian lynx: 10.5% 
Female coyote: 11.7% 
 
 
 
 
Posted @ Friday, January 18, 2013 1:56 AM by Slice
that info slice posted is from canivoraforum.com. a good website where serious people can discuss animal fights, but members there use proven data, not worthless opinion. slice you should have posted the pitbull/greyhound limb robustness data too. idioit believes all cats are stronger than canids! rofl
Posted @ Friday, January 18, 2013 12:19 PM by Nicc
You know wanna be tough guys own pits. The real tough guy is the Man who owns shelters tigers and jaguars or cougars. Fuck with them. Your pit-bull or say many pit bulls will be destroyed. So the guy Nicc. (Nicc) Just try it. Take your pit to one of the 3 cats I listed. See what happens. Make sure you get a body bag. Your gonna need it.
Posted @ Friday, January 18, 2013 8:04 PM by docwyatt36
Wait you mean a cougar, jaguar and any other big car would kill a pitbull? No kidding, dumbass. Lol
Posted @ Saturday, January 19, 2013 12:04 AM by slice
I will ask a specialist at the wildlife foundation. I mean no disrespect , just info. Not into the name calling. I do know the heaviest weight recorded is incorrect. The wiki / britannica stuff is outdated which is actually funny....suppose to be a good source. I know just because I work with the cats & like the data. That catch at 49 lbs was in WI in "1984". The author must have done no research on state records. Now its 52 lbs. in WI, Over 50 in NY, 60 lbs. in NH, and I heard of the 76 in maine. Don't know how you would calculate an average....but hunters are bringing in bigger cats in northern states now days....quite a few 40+ lbs cats. I have seen many pics. These are 5 foot cats! They can tear flesh open....I know that for sure. I have seen pics of that and the bite force will do serious damage to dogs. I have seen wound pics. Again, just info. guys.  
 
http://www.arizonahuntingtoday.com/forum/showthread.php?p=46887 
 
http://www.hamiltoncountyexpress.com/news/01092013_bobcat 
 
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120621/NEWHAMPSHIRE03/706219906 
 
Posted @ Saturday, January 19, 2013 1:12 AM by ParkRanger1
Slice, a man has thicker bones than a pit, but that doesn't necessarily means he's going to defeat the dog... The average pit has advantage over an average man, despite that man has stronger muscles and thicker bones overall.
Posted @ Saturday, January 19, 2013 7:49 AM by Dan
I enjoyed the info - data on the bone density but I agree Dan! A 300lb bouncer has much thicker / stronger bones than a 150 lb man. But if he meets a 150 lb "pro" thai fighter he could surely loose do to the speed, physical strength , and technique of that fighter. A bruce Lee like opponent could cripple him. Fight Science. Also, the one inch fangs & Bite force do lots of damage & compensate for a smaller mouth. What the guy was trying to say above is that pound for pound the Cat has "stronger" bite force. I would pound for pound a stronger animal physically. I have "never" seen a case where a Pit spars with a Small black bear (30 -40lbs) or a Cougar & didn't come out dead or mauled. I know of a case where an 80 lb female cougar killed 3 dogs including 2 pits. A case where a small black bear killed a large rot. Another where a small black bear mauled a Pit in Florida...breaking its femur and dislocating the hip. But here you see a video of a small female bobcat wrestling a small black bear. Another Video of a larger male bobcat sparring with a Cougar. I also must mention, i have seen countless video's of coyote loosing or running away from small bobcats regardless of its superior Bite force!
Posted @ Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:54 AM by ParkRanger1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNmCl_xVM4k 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWgsCDdMBSc 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2aw4DH-DTE 
 
 
There's a vid somewhere I hav seen where a Coyote runs from a bobcat with its tail between its legs. I don't think any video's are out there of a pit holding its own with these animals.
Posted @ Saturday, January 19, 2013 12:01 PM by ParkRanger1
Well Mr. Slice, your friend Nicc says that any Canine can beat any Cat. Can you tell your friend (Nicc) to put down the Crack pipe and weed. Any Dog can beat any Cat he said. Please grow a brain. Nicc is smoking some good weed. Any Dog Canine can beat a Cat he said. Don't matter what Cat it is. Come down from your Dreamland high. Surprised he can even type on the computer, Brainless fuck.
Posted @ Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:22 PM by docwyatt
I suspect some of those "large" bobcats are bobcat/lynx hybrids. Similar to coywolves (coyote/wolf crosses.) Nonetheless, regardless if we're referring to the largest bobcats, the pitbull is still in the weight range. The largest pitbulls, although uncommon (like 50 pound bobcats) are out there. But in general, they are between 30-60 pounds. Well within the weight range of bobcats and lynx.  
 
Also: 
Non-patherine felids on average do not bite harder than canines lb for lb. That bite force data I posted completely debunks that ignorant claim. Not only that, they barely compare in limb robustness to canids. This means at parity, a breed like the pitbull would be stronger than most cats within it's weight range, excluding the extremely robust clouded leopard and cape leopard.  
 
Ironically, according to the data I provided, bobcats are significantly stronger than lynxes at similar weight, yet not quite stronger than the coyote.  
 
I do have a paper that explains why pitbulls are better suited for this kind of task than other non-fighting breeds.  
 
From the paper: 
 
"Skull and limb lengths are inversely correlated with metrics associated with the strength of the limb and axial skeletons. The more robust a bone is in cross-section, the greater its strength against failure, as in Pit Bulls. However, longer, thinner, bones are better adapted to the Greyhounds' speed." 
 
Metrics of the length of the skull and limbs are inversely correlated with metrics of skull width and height, including those that define the volume of the cranium. Again, these tradeoffs are illustrated by the Greyhound's long, narrow head and long limbs compared with the Pit Bull's short limbs and broad robust head and neck 
 
Metrics of the pelvis are inversely correlated with metrics of the head and neck. Specifically, individuals that have relatively small pelvic girdles and lumbar vertebrae tend to have relatively large posterior faces, small anterior faces, and large attachment sites for jaw and neck muscles. This finding implies that the size and strength of the pelvic and head-neck musculoskeletal systems are inversely related, as in the Greyhound and Pit Bull.
 
 
Here's the link to the study: 
 
<a>http://www.pnas.org/content/99/15/9930.full 
 
 
Showing videos of bobcats standing their ground and driving off coyotes means exactly what? Read this: 
 
Source: Ryan R. Wilson · Terry L. Blankenship · 
Mevin B. Hooten · John A. Shivik Oecologia; 164:921-929; 
"Prey-mediated avoidance of an intraguild predator 
by its intraguild prey" 2010 
DOI 10.1007/s00442-010-1797-8 
 
"The relationship we found between bobcats and coyotes is 
intriguing given the relative rarity of coyote predation on 
bobcats. Others have also shown that IG prey can exhibit a 
behavioral response towards IG predators, even though predation is rarely observed (Sergio et al. 2007; Zuberogoitia 
et al. 2008) and indirect predator effects can have an equal or 
greater effect on prey population (Creel and Christianson 
2008) and community dynamics (Creswell et al. 2010). Bobcats 
on the study site have been found to react negatively to 
the perceived presence of coyotes: when presented with a 
coyote call playback at a relatively short distance (approx. 
20 m), a bobcat immediately ran for the closest dense vegetative 
cover R. Wilson, personal observation). While no bobcats 
were killed by coyotes during our study, during a 
previous study on the refuge, a bobcat was killed by a coyote,
 
coinciding with a period of low prey abundance (T.L. 
Blankenship, unpublished data). The relatively rarity of IG 
predation suggests that the space-use strategy employed by 
bobcats is relatively effective at avoiding coyotes." 
 
 
Posted @ Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:20 PM by Slice
Doc, it appears that you cannot read too well. Nic never said any canine could beat any cat.
Posted @ Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:21 PM by Slice
States records show Colorado logged a 69lb bobcat in 1951. If these are a mix , it would have distinct difference somewhere....be it body or facial.  
 
"driving off coyotes means exactly what?" There have been many documented cases of Bobcats killing coyote. Yes, coyote can kill bobcat. Bobcats will retreat if its a poodle, its thereGod given nature if you study the animal. I don't think anyone on here actually works with that cat. They know about dogs. I am around people who are experts on said animal. They like to attack by surprise unless they have no choice. . Coyote will avoid a bobcat thats been caught in trap....why? Wildlife Resource division: Coyotes may out compete bobcats but usually juveniles. The info you provided as mentioned before by myself & dan, shows the robust bone strength.....not the actual physical strength of the animals & I am going to check with a Bobcat specialist through the foundation on the data. 
 
I feel, the cat just may be "stronger" pound for pound. Regardless of pits pulling cars that are in neutral and rolling on tires. Many wildlife writers have made claims such as :  
 
Don't they know, pound for pound, the bobcat (Lynx rufus) is not only one of the wildest, least tamable of the cats, but also one of the strongest on the planet, and enormously adaptable? 
 
The bite force, specifically for the bobcat , pound for pound is greater than the pit. A 350lb bite force of a rot would well out weigh the bobcat at 300 lbs. Pound for pound.  
 
 
 
Posted @ Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:48 AM by ParkRanger1
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying bobcats as large as that do not exist, it just means little when the pitbull terrier would still be within that range.  
 
Also you should check out this book.  
 
http://books.google.com/books?id=HW0llAsJgWUC&pg=PA93&dq=coyotes+kill+trapped+bobcats&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ylH8ULTOFvGI2gXA84CQCw&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=coyotes%20kill%20trapped%20bobcats&f=false 
 
It states that coyotes are dominate over bobcats in general. Especially when they are hunting the same food.  
 
"Buskirk and colleagues (2000) pointed out that coyotes have numerous ecological advantages over bobcats due to their larger size." 
 
Coyotes do kill bobcats if they're in snares. 
 
"Over the years I'd had a number of bobcats killed by coyotes while they were in my traps and snares. When I was running cats with hounds, it was not uncommon to find where coyotes had come across a fresh bobcat track in the snow" 
 
http://books.google.com/books?id=A8fvxTPyMKUC&pg=PA160&dq=coyotes+kill++bobcats%2Bsnare&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2VL8ULrqM6Tw2QWgv4DYAw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=coyotes%20kill%20%20bobcats%2Bsnare&f=false 
 
If you actually know people who work around bobcats, then they would have informed you regarding how coyotes generally dominate bobcats and even influence their population. Coyotes also predate on bobcats, and unless it's young, it's generally not the other way around. These experts would have also informed you that bobcats over 45 pounds is an extreme rarity.  
 
Limb robusticity is an indicator of strength. And just because you "feel" as though the bobcat is stronger pound for pound means little in the face of actual evidence. So I suggest you get to proving some real sources and cut out the speculation.  
 
Posted @ Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:37 PM by Slice
Mr. Slice, wow. I suggest you get your information correct before posting comments. Its obvious to me all your doing its pasting bits & pieces you read here and there and drawing your own conclusions.  
 
My only speculation was that the animal is considerably strong pound for pound based on what professional wildlife writers suggest. Not a small cat thats weak in comparison to a larger cat as you speculate.  
 
I not making speculations that the animal cannot open up a deer with it claws or a dog for that matter. You made these speculations. Or that it must be a mix at that weight or most of the other things you mention.  
 
Here is the answer per a PHD - doctor at the wildlife conservation unit. When asked specially about this topic.  
 
"If a male bobcat same weight as male coyote were to fight...who would prevail"? 
 
PHD: Bobcat would prevail as they are more agile then coyote. Male bobcats can be 40% larger than female & "ALL" the reported bobcats killed by coyotes are female and/or young. Coyotes endanger bobcats as they travel in packs, where the bobcat usually travels alone".  
 
I could continue, but at this point its obvious your being insulting to everyone here and suggesting my sources are not credible.  
 
 
 
Posted @ Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:20 PM by ParkRanger1
Hey Slice. Limb robusticity is an indicator of strength. You are such an Einstein. Look up a Moose and a Cougar. Will the Moose win? It has Your so called " Limb Robusticity". The Moose is clearly Bigger boned and sits taller than an Cougar. I am laughing so much that I can't even type this. Jack-Ass. You know the answer. Moose is lunch. But the Moose is bigger and heavier.
Posted @ Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:25 PM by docwyatt
ParkRanger, it appears as though you are unable to identify sourced information. All the quoted information is reputable. Someone who speaks of bite forces and comes in contact with "experts" should be well aware of the works of Stephen Wroe. After all, his work is used by scholars and anyone else interested in zoology. You're welcome to google his creditabity, but it's obvious you do not as you continue to spew drivel based on your "feelings." 
 
If anyone is assuming their own conclusion, it's yourself. I'm not the one basing my opinions on how I feel, or quoting some random "PHD" without leaving as much as a single name.  
 
The fact of the matter is, the data and information I provided directly contradicts everything you've been saying. We're well aware that bobcats are more agile than canids, however non patherine felids lose out on physical strength when compared to similar sized canids. Agility alone isn't going to help a bobcat wrestle down and proceed to kill a coyote or pitbull. Can you provide a single source of an adult bobcat killing an adult coyote? Because I find what you are saying interesting as I cannot find a single piece of evidence of such. So help me out.
Posted @ Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:52 PM by Slice
Doc, it's interesting that you bring up cougars and moose. Let me just say that cougars take large prey, however adult moose are almost always off the menu. There have been a few rare cases of cougar taking adult moose.  
 
Cougars and wolves take similar prey. Single wolves have been documented taking very large impressive prey alone, such as elk and bison. But let's not kid ourselves, we know wolves generally take this prey with their pack. By looking at the limb data, cougars are significantly more robust and powerful than wolves. This would even be so at similar weight. This is because cougars are adapted to wrestling down prey significantly larger than themselves.  
 
This means that cougars require more limb strength than canids of comparable weight. It's their hunting method. In simple terms, cats dominate canids comfortably once they specialize in taking medium to large prey. Which goes back to me saying, when comparing most (not all, remember the clouded leopard and cape leopard) "small" cats to similar sized canids, the canids generally have a stronger neck, skull and higher bite force. For its size, the pitbull terrier has an impressive bite force. Its skull is larger than the bobcat's, but still smaller than a coyote. This means it has a large gape, more room to take in flesh. Whereas the bobcat has a sigficantly smaller gape and a bite force that's only about a hundred pounds harder.  
 
Oh, and here's a study that confirms my comment about cougar/moose interactions.  
 
Source: Ross, Jalketzy, "Cougar Predation on Moose in Southeastern Alberta", Alces Vol. 32 P 1-8, 1996 
 
This abstract summarizes this 13 year study. Males cougars mostly killed moose while females killed mostly mule deer and elk. All moose killed by cougars (both male and female) were young - 88% were calves and 12% were yearlings.
 
 
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/reddhole/CougarPredationonMoose001.jpg 
 
"The extract below shows that cougars clearly selected young moose despite ample amounts of adult bulls and cows in the area. Also, note the average marrow fat of moose killed by cougars was 19.9 %. 70% of these kills involved moose with marrow fat under 25%. Most biologists consider marrow fats under 70%-80% as an indicator of poor condition." 
 
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/reddhole/CougarPredationonMoose002.jpg 
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/reddhole/CougarPredationonMoose003.jpg 
 
Below is a breakdown of the predation for different types of cougars: 
 
 
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/reddhole/CougarPredationonMoose004.jpg 
 
Below is the kill rate for both male and female cougars. Male cougars killed 4.4 moose per 100 days and female cougars killed 0.5 moose per 100 days. 
 
 
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/reddhole/CougarPredationonMoose005.jpg 
 
Below is a discussion of the cougar predation on moose. Notice that until this time (1996), that there was little documentation (a few scats) of cougar predation on moose. The authors also note how cougars killed these moose - usually a quick ambush. 
 
 
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/reddhole/CougarPredationonMoose007.jpg 
 
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/reddhole/CougarPredationonMoose008.jpg 
 
Posted @ Monday, January 21, 2013 12:15 AM by Slice
"Someone who speaks of bite forces and comes in contact with "experts" should be well aware of the works of Stephen Wroe. After all, his work is used by scholars and anyone else interested in zoology. You're welcome to google his creditabity, but it's obvious you do not as you continue to spew drivel based on your "feelings." If anyone is assuming their own conclusion, it's yourself. I'm not the one basing my opinions on how I feel, or quoting some random "PHD" without leaving as much as a single name.  
The fact of the matter is, the data and information I provided directly contradicts everything you've been saying.  
 
Not one thing you have has been completely accurate. Thats why so many have commented on your IQ. You quote articles and you are a "Spin doctor" as to there meaning. Spoken as a true country boy pitbull owner. You simply are trying to "win" an argument to avoid the humiliation.  
 
Dr. Robert L. Crabtree , Chief Scientist at the yellowstone ecological research center will confirm by statements. So will Dr. Jan F. kamler , Wildlife conservation unit , university of oxford.  
 
Some of there articles is what my local PHD ( No name) has used as reference. Now, you are obviously internet savvy. If you can write to one of these PHD's without sounding like a total hick, maybe you'll get an educated response.  
 
Regards  
 
Posted @ Monday, January 21, 2013 1:58 AM by ParkRanger1
Damn.....the offices of Dr. Slice are still open for business...LOL :) You guys see that fat dude in the corner. He's got big bones, ya man, he must be strong. :)
Posted @ Monday, January 21, 2013 2:37 AM by JustinBeiber
when did I ever say I owned a pitbull? more rubbish. once again you're assuming your own conclusion.  
 
parkranger, I'm starting to believe that you cannot comprehend the data provided. I quote and provide you entire research papers in addition to their sources and all you have yet to do at this point is provide options and a few names (that I will check into. ) the references are there, so why are those reputable scholars, zoologists (who research in the very same parks you have mentioned to have connections with your "experts " wrong. I find that interesting. it's not like I'm cherry picking or misleading, I literally gave you the names and links of said papers. 
 
at this point, there's not much left to argue with you as you have trouble acknowledging why what I been saying is true.
Posted @ Monday, January 21, 2013 3:33 AM by slice
Here a Staffordshire bull terrier and a Large bobcat comparison scaled to parity. Staffordshire bull terrier are very a like to american pitbull, but they are smaller 25-50 pound. Average male is 40. 
 
The bobcat is taller and has much larger hind quarters.  
The head and neck region "the business end" of the dog is superior.  
 
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/68458_4759142814650_57852669_n.jpg 
 
Posted @ Monday, January 21, 2013 6:30 PM by Garette
If you want to be realistic you have to 50/50. Bobcats can and do kill pitbulls; as well as the other way around.  
If you are talking about big cats, Jags (they do have a range that has them venturing into the southern states), and mountain lions are like garbage dumps. They will Pretty much eat anything that they can catch.  
A trained Fighting dog can lose to a bobcat, just like the inverse. 
 
In the Case of much larger cats: Depending on the temperament of the cat (some individual cats can be incredibly aggressive)dog, no matter what breed is on the menu.
Posted @ Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:46 AM by Greg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobcat#Hunting_and_diet 
 
Since bobcats have been known to eat deer, dog is also on the menu, and again I do have to stress the 50/50 margin when it comes to this alleged pitbull fight. 
 
Depending on the veracity of said bobcat, and the dog either could win DEPENDING on the setting. In the wild the cat would do 2 things: 1)Runaway or 2)Ambush the dog and kil it. 
In a fixed setting: Cages open=50/50 change. This talk about bit pressure is sort of ridiculous in my opinion.  
The outcome is solely determined at which one could get to the other first.  
Your average dog (regardless of training): runs an average of 25+ mph.  
Your average bobcat: 30mph with a leap of about 10 ft. 
 
With the math: 
Pitbull=36 feet per second (on average) 
Bobcat=44 feet per second + 10 leap. 
Ring Circumstance=50/50 
Wild=Bobcat wins (they are ambush predators after all...)
Posted @ Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:57 AM by Greg
If you put said pittbull (trained/not trained) against the big America's Cats. They are just dead. Cougars are KNOWN to kill dogs. An individual dog=no chance against a cougar or a Jag. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8HUoFMkiDk 
 
Pound for Pound Cats=some of the strongest animals on this planet. Its just biology.  
In all honesty though....training a cat to fight would be kinda dumb LOL
Posted @ Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:04 AM by Greg
That's all nice and dandy but we're not referring to any other cat other than the bobcat. We know what cougars do to domestic dogs (and wolves btw) Also, how fast an animal can run would not benefit it in a confrontation. Bobcats would have faster reflexes than the dog, but because it hunts smaller game, it loses out on power. Smaller cats are not small versions of big cats, so that pound for pound nonsense doesn't apply here. If you read the data I posted some days ago, you'd know that.  
 
We're not speaking of an ambush situation either. We're referring to a bobcat and a pitbull being aware of each other and engaging into battle. However, that probably isn't likely as the bobcat would prefer to get away as it is a wild animal and cannot afford to an animal with no regard for its self preservation. There are a few cases of bobcats taking dogs larger than themselves, but what bobcats do to family pets isn't comparable to what a fighting dog would do.  
 
Bobcats interact with hunting dogs often.  
 
There aren't many cases of bobcats and fighting dogs because usually bobcat pelts are desired, the use of hounds (otherwise known as bayers) track and distract the cat so hunters can shoot it. The fur would be ruined if hunters preferred to use bold fighting dogs. Hounds sometimes get scratched up pretty good, but they usually aren't fatally injured. Hounds basically bark up a storm and circle around large game. It would be an entirely different story if any fighting dog were preferred for this.  
 
Posted @ Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:17 PM by Slice
a pittbull would probably need some vet care after fighting a bobcat. but i dont think it would be hurt more than the dogs used in pit fights. some of them lose their faces
Posted @ Friday, January 25, 2013 1:32 AM by jay
the bobcat will win for sure. why? 
1. better reflexes 
2. the agility of cat during attacking and defending toward the pitbull is fatal. 
I seen a viper snake getting owned by a cat, despite it tried hard to hit the cat with several extreme venomyus strike, the reflexes of the cat prevented it from getting stroked by the snake. 
Pittbull grabs cats leg?!! forget it keep on dreaming Pittbull. 
black cat fan over and out
Posted @ Friday, January 25, 2013 5:28 AM by black cat
Pit-Bulls are so over rated. People think if they own a Pit they are unstoppable. So not true. They are basically a muscle Dog with a Hard Latch on bite. That is it. That is all they have to offer. Nothing more. So please use common sense when thinking of fighting a wild animal like a Cat. If you think about it in reality terms, the Dog has little or no chance of winning. To all the Pit lovers, That is just the way it is.
Posted @ Friday, January 25, 2013 5:47 AM by docwyatt
nah bobcats are overrated here. That's reality. it wouldn't wantt anything to do with a pitt once it starts biting and shaking the throat
Posted @ Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:56 AM by jay
Doc, the grasp and shake method is typical of ALL members of canidae. Give a toy to a chihuahua and it'll thrash it around to the best of its abilities. Coyotes dispatch bobcats in the same manner. But your argument suggests that is an ineffective method of fighting? Interesting!  
 
Coyote and bobcat skull compassion. Bobcats have pretty small skulls, which means a smaller gape. 
 
http://onfinite.com/libraries/1421254/154.jpg 
 
The coyote can literally fit the bobcat's skull in its entire mouth! 
 
http://onfinite.com/libraries/1421255/376.jpg 
 
 
The bobcat is a wild cat, yes but it's not the most formidable feline within its weight range. That title belongs to the clouded leopard and cape leopard. Do some research on the mentioned cats. Pitbulls are not unbeatable in the least, a coyote would be a good match for one at equal weight because it's not as weak as the bobcat (not to mention it has a much stronger bite and longer canines.)
Posted @ Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:59 AM by Slice
Alot has been said about how small a Bobcats skull is and how ,a Coyote or pitbull can fit it in a Dogs entire mouth. True. But that will never happen. Unless the Cat is sick or weak. Cats reflexes and speed are 3 times faster than any Dog. So the Dog or coyote grabbing the Cats Head. 1% percent chance. Good luck with that.
Posted @ Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:21 PM by docwyatt
Fast reflexes are helpful but the bobcat is not a powerful cat when compared to a pitbull. That's a concept you aren't grasping. In order for any party to cause serious damage, they will have to bite each other. We know the dog will go charging in like a bat out of hell. With such a small jaw gape, the chances of the bobcat seizing the throat is doubtful. Cats use their limbs to wrestle and control their prey or opponents,but it would have trouble subduing a dog that isn't even attempting to get away, not to mention that robust. If you're thinking the bobcat will be jumping all over the place, slapping the dog around left and right then you're ignorant. The moment that pitbull sees the bobcat its going to hit it hard and hit it fast. Its going to go for the head, neck or chest causing internal damage as it thrashes the cat like a rag doll.
Posted @ Monday, January 28, 2013 3:24 PM by slice
For one thing Mr Slice. A cat has better eyesight , better hearing , better reflexes. Do you think the cat is just going to sit there? That Pitbull is so much slower especially at a distance. As soon as the Muscle pit makes his first move and lays a charge, The Cat has already, prepared and Knows. The Cat Knows as soon as the pits First paw hits the ground. The Dog Canine is Sloppy, and Slobbers alot. Shitty Eyesight too.
Posted @ Monday, January 28, 2013 8:28 PM by docwyatt
Better eyesight and hearing means nothing. You speak as if the dog has the site of a rhino. As I said before, bobcats have quicker reflexes, like all cats. Again, bobcats aren't that strong when compared to a pitbull. Graceful, long limbs and a small skull--it takes small prey. Quick reflexes isn't enough to bring down this dog. Not when the bobcat will struggle to control it. It won't kill the dog by merely biting it anywhere, fyi. In order for a cat to deliver a killing throat bite, they need to control and position the animal. This is why they often ambush their prey. When they do not have the option of ambush, they wrestle and grapple with their prey. These are cats that generally are stronger lb for lb when compared to non patherine cats. Basically in layman terms, large bobcats are significantly weaker than the smallest of female clouded leopard.
Posted @ Friday, February 01, 2013 3:08 AM by Slice
Carnivora has a dozens reports from experts in their field showing the male bobcat superior to the coyote!  
 
http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9396136/1/
Posted @ Saturday, March 16, 2013 10:23 PM by TaiPan
Pound for Pound..The American Pitbull Terrier is THE MOST POWERFUL MAMMAL ALIVE. PERIOD. 
 
Check out Versace the pitbull on YouTube. 
 
Versace weighs ONLY 71 pounds....Versace can pull....12,170lbs...WHICH BY THE WAY IS....171.2 TIMES HIS BODYWEIGHT. the north American record at the time Versace pulled this weight was 6500 pounds...Done by a 283Lb mastiff....Versace was giving up 212lbs...and outpulled the mastiff by almost double. 
 
In reality..back in the old days when dog fighting ws legal....the bobcat routinely lost to the pitbull...the only way to make it a fair fight ( and its still not ) is to have a bobcat much bigger than the pitbull..20 years ago I personally saw a 27 pound pitbull Kill a 43lb bobcat in as long a time as it took the pit bull to get ahold of its head and kill it...this bobcat outweighed the PB by 16lbs..i died like a common house cat. 
A pitbull does not just give up and die and anything anywhere nears its weight is dead...period.....this includes wolverines too...A 150lb Mackenzie vally timber wolf stands no chance against a PB... 
 
I can akso tell you...if you have a real game bred fighting dog and it weighs 100 lbs....and they are out there even a mountain lion is in for a big surprise..it could go either way..but I promise you the cougar will not just kill it easily....the world record for 2 pitbull fighting is 5 hours 23 minutes......and both dogs lived...they threw in the towel and called it a draw...this was from an old time dog fight 20-30 years ago..and im ( iwasnt there ) about big money betting too...all in front of people and time keepers...witnesess that the fight lasted that long......1 of the dogs was from a strain called Boudreaux..Floyd Boudreaux. 
 
the smallest cat that would give a PB a run for its money is a cougar and that is 50/50 but I think a leopard would win. 
 
but that is not fair...if you had a game PB as big as a leopard the cat wouldn't stand a chance. 
 
Something else I can promise..Even though there are animals that can kill a pitbull....NONE OF THEM WILL KEEP ON GOING LIKE A PITBULL WILL...LIKE HAVING A PAW COMPLETELY BITTEN OFF AND STILL HO;DING ON TO THE OTHER DOG AND WHEN BROKEN APART WITH A BREAKING STICK AND TAKEN TO A NEUTRAL CORNER AND ASKED TO RUN BACK ACROSS THE RING ???? AND YOU HAVE 1 OF YOUR PAWS MISSING ???? BUT YOU STILL RUN ACROSS THE RING TO KILL THE OTHER DOG ????? 
 
THERE ARE VERY FEW ANIMALS THAT WILL BATTLE LIKE THIS....A PITBULL WILL.....AND NOT ALL OF THEM WILL...ANLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE WILL DO THAT...BUT THAT IS WHAT A TRUE REPRESENTATION OF A PB WILL DO... 
 
REMEMBERJUST BECAUSE YOUR CHICHIUAUA KILLLED A PB...THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT PB WAS A GOOD REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT IT WAS BRED TO DO....BUT ANY PB THAT HAS ANY FIGHT IN IT AT ALL WILL DEMOLISH A BOBCAT IN 10 SECONDS. OR UNTIL IT FIGURES HOW TO CRUSH ITS SKULL. 
 
ALSO BY THE WAY....MY 89LB PB...MO...HE CAN BUST A 15 INCH STEEL BELTED CAR TIRE...I WANT TO SEE THE BOBCAT DO THAT. HE CAN ALSO HANG BY A SPRINGPOLE ( ROPE TIED TO A BIG SPRING FROM A TREE ) FOR 1 HOUR WITH HIS FEET NEVER TOUCHING THE GROUND.
Posted @ Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:26 AM by 71stratocaster
That pittbull "Versace" your kidding me right? He pulled that weight , it's on wheels and a track. You can push a stalled car if you put it in neutral. Give me a break. That dog would get ate alive by an equal weight cat. You choose the cat. Must me equal weight. Pound for pound,equal weight, the cat would be stronger. Look it up on the net. The only so called "Dog" that could take a cat out is a Wolf. That would do it. Check out a wolfs bit per square inch to a pitbull. Look it up. Hah
Posted @ Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:10 PM by docwyatt
 
 
LIKE I ALSO STATED BEFORE...TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT....IVE PERSONALLY SEEN 30 YEARS AGO A 25 POUND PITBULL KILL A 43 POUND BOB CAT IN A MATTER OF SECONDS...HOWEVER LONG IT TOOK FOR THE DOG TO RUN THE CAT DOWN...YEP IT WAS TRYING TO GET AWAY...I THOUGHT IT WS CRUEL AND I LET THEM KNOW SO.....IT STOOD ABSOUTLY NO CHANCE. 
 
ALSO READ RICHARD STRATTONS BOOKS..THIS IS THE APBT AND THE BOOK OF THE APBT...THE OLD TIMERS TALK ABOUT PB'S DEFEATING EVERYTHING FROM BOB CATS TO WOLVERINES...THIS IS FROM GUYS THAT DID THAT STUFF...WHEN IT WWS LEGAL...THEY USED TO FIGHT DOGS IN MY HOMETOWN IN THE 20'S AND THEY DID FOGHT THEM AGAINST BOB CATS....HISTORY SAYS THE BOB CATS LOST UNLESS IT WAS LIKE A 15 POUND PB AGAINST A 45-50 LB BOB CAT...AND THEN THE PB WOULD STILL USUALLY COME OUT ON TOP....BUT THE BOB CATS WERE ALWAYS WANTING TO ESCAPE...THEY WERE NOT WILLING...THERE ARE VERY FW ANIMALS IN THE WILD THAT WILL FIGHT TO THE DEATH...UNLESS 1 REALLY OVER POWERS THE OTHER...IN THE WILD THEY USUALLY FIGHT TILL THEY ARE TIRED OR 1 SUBMITS...USUALLY DEATH DOES NOT OCCUR..2 CATS WILL USUALLY FIGHT LIKE THAT WOTH EACH OTHER. AS DO WOLVES. 
 
YOU KNOW BACK IN THE OLD DAYS....40 OR MORE YEARS AGO...PROFESSIONAL DOG MEN WOULD NEVER EVER LET THEIR DOG COME INTO CONTACT WITH ANYTHING THAT WOULD RUN OR TEACH OTHERWISE BAD HABITS. 
 
THEY WOULD NEVER BAIT A DOG WITH A CAT..OF ANY KIND..AND IF THEY DID BAIT IT WITH A CAT THEY WOULD NEVER LET THE DOG GET THE CAT...BECAUSE THE CAT WOULD ALWAYS BE TRYING TO GET AWAY..IT IS REALLY TRULY UNPROFESSIONAL TO USE A PITBULL AGAINST ANY OTHER ANIMAL OTHER THAN ITS OWN KIND OR ANY ANIMAL ANYWHERE NEAR TWICE ITS SIZE. 
 
Of course its on wheels...If you know anything about weight pulling contests.. the UNITED KENNEL CLUB has been having certified weight pulling contests for 30 years...recognized by guiness book of world records...and yes you can push a 3500 pound car and we are also talking about pulling...which is harder... but... 
 
 
if you are a 150 pound man ??? you would have to pull 25,680 pounds...or go ahead and push it if you like.....now we are talking about a 25,000 pound semi tractor trailer......for a 150lb man to pull/push that ?...good luck on that.... 
 
No way could your 40-45lb bobcat kitty cat pull 171.2 times its bodyweight. 
even if a 45 lb bob cat pulled 171 timers its body weight it is still not as strong as Versace...bob cat would only have to pull 7695lbs..still 5000lbs short of Versace. 
 
also there is more than strength..even though Versace is very strong...that does not mean he would make a good fighting dog...he may no be game...and if he not game ??? a 50lb pitbull would demolish him...regardless of his strength. the main thing that makes a good fighter is the ability to be able to absorb everything the opponent can give you....and never quit....even if it means death. 
 
also a pitbull will dispatch of a wildboar 5-8 timesits body weight...bob cat aint doing that either...there are many dogs that can make short order of a bob cat...not just a PB. 
 
EVEN A DOBERMAN CAN KILL A BOB CAT....BUT ONLY IF IT IS WILLING TO TAKE SOME PUNISHMENT. 
 
the thing about many of these wild animals ( bob cat, wolf ) is that they will all try and run and get away if possible. the pitbull looks for a fight. these animals are not even willing combatants. 
 
if they were in a professional pitbull fight they would be disqualified because they would try and run...as soon as you try and get away in a professional dog fight...they break them apart and make them go across a scratch line WITHIN 20 SECONDS from a neutral corner......TO PROVE THEY ARE GAME AND WANT THE FIGHT TO CONTINUE.........IF THEY DONT ? THE FIGHT IS OVER. 
 
there is a youetube video where a wolverine ( which will take out a bob cat ) and a wolf fight over a carcass...the wolverine basically fights the wolf like a pit bull. it locked on to the wolfs nose and rode it until the wolf finally got away ( luckily ) and did not even think about going back at the wolverine.....I can tell you if that had been a pit bull it would have never quit...assuming it is a game bred and is truly a good representative of what a fighting dog is.....the wolf was worn out after only 3 minutes or less of fighting...truly a chump...pit bull fights regularly go more than 1 hour. 
 
also it does not matter who has the strongest bite..unless it can just bite the opponent in half.. 
 
what does matter in a fight is how much punishment can you take ??????????????????????? and not go into shock ??????????????????????? THAT IS THE QUESTION....AND THE ANSWER IS THE APBT HAS THE MOST ENDORPHINES OF ANY MAMMAL...THUS IT DIES NOT GO INTO SHOCK AS EASILY AS OTHER BREEDS OR EVEN OTHER ANIMALS...THAT IS WHAT MATTERS...THE PIT BULL BITES PLENTY HARD...LIKE I SAID MY PB MO CAN BUST A 15 INCH STEEL BELTED RADIAL....THERE ARE NOT MANY 50LB ANIMALS THAT CAN STAND UP TO THAT MUCH JAW PRESSURE. 
 
also if you watch the wolf fight in the video...it never does try and lock on to the wolverine...but the wolverine does....the notorious wolverine claws don't come into play either...and the wolverine has much more devastating claws than a little 50lb bob cat. the wolverine does not tear the wolfs guts out like many think. It just locks on to the nose and starts chewing it off...just like many pitbulls...they also like to go for the ear...side of the head to destroy the eardrum so the opponent cannot stand. 
 
AMERICAN BULLDOGS..WHICH CANT TAKE A PB EITHER BUT...THEY USED THEM TO KILL ENTIRE PACKS OF COYOTES. GANGBUSTERS THEY CALL THEM...MOST PIITBULL TAHAT MAKE GOOD PACK DOGS DO NOT MAKE GOOD PIT DOGS AS A RULE OF THUMB.. 
 
1 AMERICAN BULLDOG CAN KILL 3 COYOTES...SO YOU KNOW WHAT A PITBULL WOULD DO... 
 
ANYONE THAT HAS NEVER REALLY OWNED A TRUE GAME BRED PITBULL HAS NO CONCEPTION AT WHAT PUNISHMENT THEY CAN TAKE TO WIN A FIGHT..AND WHAT IT TAKES TO TRULY STOP 1... 
 
AND DONT BELIEVE THERE ARE NO 100+ POUNDS PITBULLS...AND IM NOT TALKING BULLY EITHER...THERE ALWAYS HAS BEEN BIG ONES AND IT IS WELL DOCUMENTED..ITS JUST THE OLD TIME GUYS IKES THE SMALLER 1'S BECAUSE THEY TENDED TO RUN MORE GAME AND TOOK LESS FOOD...UT THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN BIG ONES...IN FACT THE APBT HAS THE LARGEST WEIGHT DIFFERENCE THAN ANY OTHER BREED...IVE HAD A 25 POUND 1 AND IVE HAD A 110 POUND 1.
Posted @ Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:46 PM by 71stratocaster
Haha this just makes me laugh. My neopolitan mastiff would waste 97% of pittbulls. And would have more chance against any cat then a pittbull. Lol id love to see a pittbull up against a very large mountain lion. Cats nd neos will defeat pittbulls :-) you ain't seen agression till you see a Fully growen male neopolitan mastiff launching at you. And trust me you don't want too. This should have been neo vs bobcat. :-)
Posted @ Monday, March 18, 2013 4:12 AM by mastiffz
@AM by mastiffz, I have a Argentinian mastiff and as far as mastiff go its the only mastiff capable to hold its own with a game pit as the dogo he's game it's self. Neo mastiff are to slow and heavie I happen to owne two dogue de Bordeaux and I can tell you a game pit will make chump out of them just like a neo mastiff. 
Only tosa inu, Brazilian mastiff, or Argentinian mastiff, presa canario, bully kutta, can stand a chance with a game pit bull as does breed are still gamed, example dogo argentino is used to fight and kill montain lion in a pit, but still 2 out of 3 will lose to a pit bull in a pit.
Posted @ Monday, March 18, 2013 10:36 AM by Vince
@ AM Vince I don't know what makes u think neos are slow, I have to neos and they are defitnatly not slow. They are very quick on their feet and very strong. And every body has different opinions on this page. Th bordeaux mastiff has a lot of different traits then a neo, and I can tell you your completly wrong. Everyone thinks pitts are the bees knees lol my neos would own any pitty, even my border collie would haha.
Posted @ Monday, March 18, 2013 11:15 AM by mastiffs
Pitts are determined dogs that don't give up, well who is to say u can't train any other animal to be so determined to never give up, my pack drop to my feet, they bark when I tell them and they chase and attak when I say. Not even a mountain lion would survive if it was threating me in any way.  
I geuss everyone thinks diffrent things. :-) hear say really unless urve seen it been there and know the fights not rigd.
Posted @ Monday, March 18, 2013 11:24 AM by mastiff s
 
A border collie could take any pit bull ...Lassy pulled Timmy out of the well and that takes a ton of strength. Timmy was an obese child of 300 pnds. 
 
This has to be the longest running thread in history :)
Posted @ Monday, March 18, 2013 11:35 AM by Will
Vince is exzctly right....My friends 70 pit that was on a chain got attacked by a 160lb bandog ( male pitbull and neo female cross ) ...that broke his chain and caqme down hill and attacked the PB. The Pb grabbed it by the nose and after about 2 minutes the bandog was crying and trying to get away...It took that long for my friend to find a breaking stick and then come out of the house and unattach the PB. 
 
The reason the don't fight many large PB's is because it takes 2 people to separate each dog ( 4 all toghether..smaller dogs only need 2 people per dog. 
 
There are rules in a true sanctioned pitbull fight where dogs earn there champion and grand champion titles......when you see GR.Champion on a set of ADBA REGISTERED APBT PARERS THEY ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT SHOWS...TO BE GRND CHAMPION YOU HAVE TO WIN 5 ADBA SANCTIONED MATCHES. 
 
ALL DOGS UNDER 55LBS ARE MATCHED TO NO MORE THAN 1LB WEIGHT DIFFERENCE...UNLESS AGREED TO BY THE COMBATANTS ( WHICH THEY WILL USUALLY NEVER DO )....BUT...ANYTHING OVER 55LBS IS CLASSIFIED AS A HEAVYWEIGHT AND HAD S TO FIGHT ANY DOG OF ANY WEIGHT..AS LONG AS IT IS 55LB OR MORE...IF A 150LB PB COMES IN THERE THEY 55LB DOG WILL HAVE TO MATCH TO IT.....AND YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED AT HOW MANY SMALLER DOGS ACTUALLY WIN.....SIZE IS NOT EVERYTHING....EVEN IN A PITBULL. 
 
if YOU WILL REAAD THE RICHARD STRATTON BOOKS ABOUT PB'S..IF THEY ARE STILL IN PPRINT... 
 
THEY TALK ABOUT WHERE THEY TOOK 3 GRAND CHAMPION PB'S TO JAPAN...WHERE DOG FIGHTING WAS LEGAL AT THE TIME...tHE ACCOUNTING THAT THEY EVEN HAD IN THE NEWS PAPER SAID THE PB DEFEATED THE BEST TOSA'S JAPAN HAD. THE PB WENT 3 FOR 3 WITH TOSAS CONSIDERERED THE BEST JAPAN HAD TO OFFER. 
 
ALSO THE TOSAA IN JAPAQN...WHERE THEY ARE STILL BRED FOR FIGHTING...ARE NOT HUGE DOGS...THEY RARLY GO MORE THAN 100LBS...LOOK IT UP...THE WESTERN TOSAS ARE THE 1'S THAT HAVE BEEN BRED TO MASTIFF SIZE...BUT IN THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN THEY SAY THE BIG DOGS DO NOT FIGHT LIKE THE SMALLER 1'S...THUS AGAIN PROVING BIG MEANS NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO ALL OUT COMBAT... 
ALSO ANOTHER RULE IS.......IF 2 DOGS ARE FIGHTING ??...AND 1 TURNS HEAD AND SHOULDERS AWAY FROM THE OPPONENT ? THEN THE DOGS ARE SERARATED...TAKEN TO A NEUTRAL CORNER AND THE DOG THAT TURNED HAS 20 SECONDS TO RUN BACK ACROSS THE SCRATCH LINE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RING...AND IF WILL NOT "SCRATCH" ????? IT IS COUNTED OUT AND THE FIGHT IS OVER.....IF THE SAME DOG DOES SCRATCH AND THEN TURNS AGAIN ???? THE DIG THAT DID NOT TURN HAS TO SCRATCH....EVEN THOUGH IT DID NOT TURN.......THEY HAVE TO PROVE A WILLINGNES TO KEEP GOING....IIN A TRUE PROFESSIONAL FIGHT THEY NEVER LET 1 DOG KILL THE OTHER IF THE OTHER IS NOT A WILLING PARTICIPANT.....THAT IS SIIY AND ONLY NONPROFESSIONAL WOULD DO THAT....PEOPLE BET 10,000'S OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON A SINGLE FIGHT...WHEN 1 DOES NOT WANT TO CONTINUE ????? THE FIGHT IS OVER...................PERIOD...... 
 
WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO WHEN THE BEST OF THE BEST MEET EACH OTHER IN A PIT...WHERE EACH ARE AWARE OF 1 ANOTHER....THE PITBULL HAS FEW EQUALS..........ESPECIALLY ANYTHING NEAR THEIR OWN WEIGHT... 
 
JUST BECASUE YOU HAVE A HUGE DOG THAT CAN KILL SOMEONE DOES NOT MEAN IT IS AGME AGAINS ANOTHER DOG................ 
 
ALSO IN A TRUE PB FIGHT ??? 
 
THE VERY FIRST RULE IS ???????? 
 
1. YOU HAVE TO GIVE YOUR DOG TO A TOTAL STRANGER SO THEY CAN WASH THE DOG TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE NOT PUT POISON ON YOUR DOGS COAT...SO WHEN THE OPPONENT BITES YOUR DOG ??IT GEETS POISONED.......YOU ALSO MUST SUPPLY A TOWEL TO THE OPPONENT SO THEY CAN DRY THEIR DOG WITH YOUR SUPPLIED TOWEL. 
 
YOU NEVER AGAIN GRET TO TOUCH YOUR DOG AFTER THIS POINT. 
 
SO AN AGRESSIVE DOG TOWARDS HUMANS IS CONSIODERED UNACEPTABLE IN A TRUE PROFESSIONAL DOG FIGHT. 
 
PROFESSIONAL DOG MEN WILL TELL YOU..99.9999999% OF THE TIME A...."MANEATER" IS "NEVER" DEAD GAME....
Posted @ Monday, March 18, 2013 11:44 AM by 71stratocaster
- that's a ton of detail about dog fighting and pit bulls. I wouldn't put " professional " in front of dog fighting - it's inhumane and cowardly - and is not 2 wild animals fighting. cripes you can train a hamster to attack other hamsters or people if that what rocks your boat or you're that much of a jerk.
Posted @ Monday, March 18, 2013 11:54 AM by Will
You cannot train gameness...It is the elusive trait all dog fighting men breed for above all else. The willingness to take fatal punishment and never cry or run. AND IT IS ELUSIVE. 
 
That is an inborn trait...It is about the ability to take tremendous punishment and never quit. It is about ENDORPHINES. THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE THAT DONT KNOW "GAME" PITBULLS DONT UNDERSTAND. YOU CANNOT TRAIN THIS. YOU CANT TRAIN SOMETHING TO WANT TO FIGHT TO THE DEATH AND NEVER QUIT...ITS LIKE CHOOSING SKIN COLOR. 
 
ALL PITBULLS ARE NOT GAME AND ESPECIALLY DEAD GAME AND NOT ALL PB'S CAN DEFEAT OTHER BREEDS. BUT WHEN YOU TAKE THE BEST OF THE BEST THE PB WILL WIN EVERYTIME....IN THE PIT... 
 
ALSO HERE IS A GOOD 1 FOR THE NOE PEOPLE...AND THIS IS FROM THE ROMANS THEMSELVES........ 
 
WHEN THEY ROMANS INVADED ENGLAND...THEY FOUND THE BULLDOG....WHICH WAS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE BD OF TODAY....IT ACTUALLY LOOKED EXACTLY LIKE THE MODERN DAY APBT AND MANY HISTORIANS AND PB PEOPLE WILL ARGUE THE FACT OF PB' 
S BEING AROUND LONG BEFORE THE 1800'S...BUT THAT IS ANOTHER TOPIC. 
 
 
BUT THE DOGS THEY BROUGHT BACK TO ROME ??????????????????.....FROM ENGLAND ????????????????????..THEY DEFEATED ALL OF THE DOGS KNOWN TO THE ROMANS...INCLUDING THE NEPO AND THE CANE CORSO...WHICH WILL GIVE A NEO ALL IT WANTS....ALSO DONT FORGET THE TIBETAN MASTIFF....THE FOREBEARER OF ALL MASTIFF AND MOUNTAIN DOG BREEDS. 
 
ANOTHER THING PEOPLE DONT KNOW ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE MASTIFFS..... 
DO THEY EVEN KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF MASTIFF IS ???????????IT MEANS MONGREL DOG...THERE WERE SO MANY OF THEM EONS AGO THAT IS WHAT IT MEANT.... 
 
AND THEY WERE NOT HUGE DOGS...THIS HUGE MASTIFF THING 200-300LBS IS NEW COMPARED TO HOW LONG WE HAVE HAD DOMESTICATED DOGS.  
 
THEN THEY HAD DIFFERENT TRAITS AND THESE TRAITS WERE MANIPULATED BY MAN. 
 
IN REALITY TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT.... 
 
THE PB'S HERITAGE IS THAT OF MASTIFFS...FIGHTING MASTIFFS...AND AS I STATED BEFORE...TOSAS THAT ARE BRED TO FIGHT IN JAPAN ARE RARLEY MORE THAN 100 LBS. 
 
WHEN A GUY WAAS TRYING TO BREED GAME BANDOGS...MALE PB AND FEMALE NEO AND STABILIZE THEM??? WHEN HE GAME TESTED THE BEST 1'S AND BRED THEM FOR GAMENESS ???? THEY STARTING REVERTING BACK TOO A A SMALLER SISE THAN THE 150LB CROSSES HE WOULD GET IN THE F1 CROSS...WHEN HE INBRED THEM AND FOUGHT THEM.....THEY ALL REVERTED BACK TO THE SMALLER SIZE...SHOWING AGAIN THERE I A LIMIT ON HOW BIG A DOG CAN BE BEFORE EXTRA SIZE BECOMES UNNEEDED...OR AT THE LEAST YOU WILL LOSE YOUR POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO. 
 
OF COURSE IF YOU HAVE SOMEHTING BIGGER THAT HAS ALL THE ATTRIBUTES OF THE SMALLER BUT STRONGER FOR THE SIZE ??? ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL OF COURSE THE BIGGER 1 WINS...SIMPLE PHYSICS IF ALL ABILITIES AND GAMENESS IS THE SAME.
Posted @ Monday, March 18, 2013 12:11 PM by 71stratocaster
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ATTACK TRAINING AN ANIMAL...WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE WILLLINGNESS TO TAKE PUNISHMENT AND NEVER QUIT...LIKE A MASCHOCIST. 
 
THIS IS WHY NO OTHER DOG CAN DEFEAT A PB.. 
 
YOU CAN TRAIN A HAMPSTER ( MANY THINGS ) TO ATTACK OTHERS...BUT CAN YOU TRAIN THEM TO ATTACK AFTER THE HAMPSTERS THAT HE IS MOLESTING..REGROUP...ATTACK HIM...CHEW OFF 1 OF HIS LEGS AND BITE HALF OF HIS NOSE OFF ???? 
 
I DO NOT THINK YOU CAN TRAIN THAT INTO AN ANIMAL....DO YOU ?? 
Posted @ Monday, March 18, 2013 12:19 PM by 71stratocaster
71strat...I'm only a 2002 strat but.. 
 
Hamsters naturally bite the heads off each other..not just legs or noses. - Especially if they play violent video games.  
 
Instead of sending a kid to Princeton you lock him in a room and torture him for 18 years and train him to attack kids if he wants to eat, he's going to be a violent kid I think. 
 
Wild animals attack each other for food, mates and territory. Some are naturally more aggressive and have the hardware to do more damage...like a funnel web spider vs. daddy longlegs. A ghila monster will lock down on you til dawn, as will a snapping turtle...but you can make such an animal more aggressive and hair trigger by torturing/ training it.  
 
I'm still waiting for polar bear vs. porcupine fish.
Posted @ Monday, March 18, 2013 12:36 PM by Will
Wild animals attack each other for food, mates and territory. Some are naturally more aggressive and have the hardware to do more damage...like a funnel web spider vs. daddy longlegs. A ghila monster will lock down on you til dawn, as will a snapping turtle...but you can make such an animal more aggressive and hair trigger by torturing/ training it. 
 
 
 
this is exactly right... 
 
also im not talking about agression ...just because a game dog will do all that ?? that does not mean he will use it...many of them will never attempt to be aggressive towards another dig unless the other dogs shows aggression first...or the master says to do it...and yes of course you can encourage it to be aggressive...but if you train with fear and punishment all you really have is a dangerous dog that will have your name on his teeth 1 day....and like I said....../...and I quoting rules from more than 100 YEARS AGO....AND I DO NOT AND HAVE NEVER PARTICIPATED IN DOG FIGHTING BUT I HAVE STUDIED THE RULES ( AND THERE ARE ABOUT 80 OF THEM ) AND HAVE BEEN AROUND HIGHLY CONDITIONED DOGS THAT DID COME FROM FIGHTING BLOODLINES ( IVE HAD 35 PITBULLS ) FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS. 
 
I HAD THE VERY FIRST APBT in my whole area in the early 80's to have an earned obedience/tracking title....also off leash They didn't want to test her at first because she was a pitbull...and this was during the start of the pb scare stories......around 81-82.....she was also trained to attack...this person also trained guard and attack dogs...10,000 dollar rottweilers in 82. 
 
so I asked him if he had ever heard of William Kohler... and the kohler method of dog training...he told me yes. 
 
WILLIAM KOHLER WAS THE HEAD TRAINED FOR THE US CANINE CORP IN WWII AND TRAINED MOST ALL OF THE ANIMALS FOR WALT DISNEY.....HIGHLY RESPECTED TO SAY THE LEAST... 
 
HE MENTIONED WHAT BREEDS WERE SUITABLE FOR MILITARY DUTY..IN HIS BOOK THAT.......? 
 
THE PITBULL WHEN IT HAS HAD THE PROPER OBEIDENCE TRAINING WAS 1 OF THE GREATEST OF ALL DOGS...HE GOES ON TO SAY THE PITBULLS THAT HAVE DIRECT BLOOD FROM FIGHTING DOGS WERE THE MOST CORAGEOUS DOGS THERE ARE..PERIOD...AND THAT NO OTHER BREED CAN BE TRAINED TO DO AS MANY JOBS AS THIS BREED....EVERYTHING FROM SEEING EYE TO BIG GAME HUNTING. 
 
A BAY HOUND IS A DOG THAT BAYS ON THE TRAIL..LIKE A BEAGLE BLACK AND TAN.....A STILL TRAILER...WHICH A PB IS AND AS ARE MOST BREEDS OTHER THAN HOUNDS....HAVE THE BEST NOSES OF ALL STILL TRAILERS....A PB HOLDS THE RECORD FOR THE BIGGEST DRUG BUST ON THE US-MEXICAN BORDER. 
 
FOR ME...I LOVE THE PB BECAUSE IT IS 1 OF THE SMARTEST OF ALL DOGS AND THEY WERE ALSO THE MOST LOVING DOGS ( TOWARDS ME ) THAT IVE EVER HAD BUT THEY LIKE ANY LARGE BREED ALSO NEEDS MUCHTRAINING AND SUPERVISION....THEY ARE NOT A TOY.
Posted @ Monday, March 18, 2013 1:04 PM by 71stratocaster
Boy this is some sh*t started on here. The only advantage a pitbull has is his jaw clamping power to not let go. He is slower than any cat I can think of. Just all the pitbull lovers out there think real good about this. You have a domesticated Dog putting it up against a wild animal. Wild Animal. Please. Think real hard about this and maybe , just maybe you will come to your senses. How about try to just Hold in your hands a small 5 lb domestic feral cat that is wild. You won't be holding him for long. Man I never thought a small peon cat could tear my ass up.
Posted @ Monday, March 18, 2013 6:49 PM by docwyatt
First thing...I have held a feral cat and I can tell you I can grab it hard enough after it does get a few claws in me to crush iTs little throat very quickly if I wanted to... ( I LIKE CATS AND HAVE NO INTEREST IN THAT BUT IVE HAD CATS ALL MY LIFE ALONG WITH MY PB'S ) I have lifted weights all my life...40 YEARS... a am pretty strong...especially for my bodyweight and age...im 55..weigh 160 lbs and I can bench press 320..oh did I mention in 1985 I was the powerlifting ( AAU ) champion in my weight class in my state..i bench pressed 350 then at 148... 
 
but if you are willing to put up with a little inconvenient pain the a cat INFLICTS is nothing...go to war and have to live and fight and not sleep for days/WEEKS AND BE HURT..NO FOOD NO TOILET....THEN COME AND TALK TO ME AND A F*****G CAT INFLICTING SERIOUS INJURY ???? 
 
THAT IS NOTHING...000000000000000 IT DOES NOT EVEN REGESTER. 
 
I CAN PROMISE YOU I CAN KILL A 25 POUND CAT WITH MY BARE HANDS EASIER THAN I COULD KILL A 25 POUND GAME PITBULL....THAT IS A FUNNY 1....A 25LB PITBULL WILL BITE YOUR FINGERS CLEAN OFF WITH 1 BITE...I HAD A 25 POUND FEMALE PITBULL...MINERVA/MINNIE...SHE WAS A HOLY TERROR AND HAD THE TEETH OF A 70LB GERMAN SHEPARD..THIS LITTLE DOG HAD SOME SERIOUS TEETH...BIGGER FOR HER SIZE THAN MY 90LB PITBULL. 
 
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.. 
 
MOST PEOPLE DONT EVEN KNOW THE REAL HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIERIT IS NOT AN AMERICAN BREEED NOR AND ENGLISH BREED..HERE IS THE BASIC ISTORY OF THE PB....AND IT ALSO GOES BACK FURTHER THAN THIS....TO EARLY MAN WHEN HE USED THESE DOGS AS WILD ANIMAL BAIT....THEY WOULD TIE THEM TO A TREE AND USE THEM FOR BAIT FOR BIG GAME WHILE THE MEN FOUGHT THE GAME FROM THE TEEE WITH SPEARS ECT... 
 
 
American Pit Bull Terrier ( APBT ) breed History 
 
The history of the Pit Bull varies depending on the sources you refer to.  
 
In fact some sources go so far as to claim the Pit Bull is not a pure breed at all.  
 
This is an often perpetuated myth by registries and those in the humane care community that do not support the Pit Bull breed and others that do not understand the Pit Bulls well established history as a pure breed or what it takes to meet the standard of a pure breed line.  
 
The Pit Bull in fact has a lineage that goes back further than most other considered pure breeds in existence today.  
 
The most reliable history on the beginning development of the Pit Bull, goes back to the time of the Romans. During the time of Minos in Crete the sport of bull baiting was quite a popular form of pagan worship and entertainment. This sport was developed as a part of the worship practice in honor of the warrior god "Mithras". 
 
During this time most dogs were wild and ferocious by nature. As the Roman tribes of the time conquered and moved across the land they also took the sport with them.  
 
Due to the selective breeding of the best dogs a distinctive breed began to emerge.  
 
By the 1700's there were two primary bull baiting dogs that had developed. This was the Blue Poll of Scotland and the Alunt from Ireland both of which were referred to as bulldogs.  
 
The Alunt of the time resembled something closer to a Great Dane but is presumed to have later developed into the Alono of Spain as seen to he right.  
 
As this and other dog working and sporting activities were developed people selectively bred different dogs to achieve the working attributes that they most desired. They often mixed these breeds with the great dogs of England which by this time were also used to bait bulls.  
 
By this time in history it was thought that the use of the dog on a bull had a tenderizing effect on the meat. In reality this was a myth perpetuated by dog men and gamblers in order to encourage participation and thus draw the profits off gambling. 
 
By the time of the early 1800's due to selective breeding a dog had emerged which was very similar to the American Pit Bull of today.  
 
Due to a slow economy and laws which prohibited people of low economic means from owning a sporting dog the practice of bull baiting began to diminish.  
 
In 1835 bull baiting was officially banned. This forced people especially of the lower classes to find alternative work for their dogs. Unlike today's life of privilege the Pit Bull often leads the dog of that time had to earn its dinner along with every other capable member of the family. Dogs of this time were integral to survival and were worth their weight in gold for their abilities to hunt, herd and guard.  
 
Terriers known for their small game drive were soon being introduced modeling the breed into a more compact and smaller package. This emerging breed excelled at all kinds of work adding to the list of qualities it had so far attained.  
 
At this point the sport known as ratting soon emerged. This involved placing a number of rats in a literal pit for a specified period of time with the dog.  
 
The larger the number of rats killed by the dog the better the dog placed in the match.  
 
THIS IS IN FACT WHERE THE "PIT" IN THE AMERICAN Pit Bull TERRIER NAME CAME FROM NOT FROM FIGHTING OTHER DOGS.  
 
During this time the bubonic plague was also of great concern killing millions world wide as it was often spread by rats harboring fleas that carried the infection. A good ratting dog on the farm to control rodent populations in many cases was paramount to survival.  
 
The sport of ratting soon caught the eye of noble men and people of economic industry and wealth. The sport grew to have a complete diversity of participation all the way from migrants and hobos that just arrived in town to those of the most high esteem.  
 
Notice in the illustration the hats of the men participating. Hats at the time were used as a status symbol. Rarely will you see historical events where there is such a wide variety of hats and participation by members of every socioeconomic class.  
 
A interesting and little known fact is that Teddy Roosevelt worked ratting dogs in the basement of the White House.  
 
As with today the ownership of the Pit Bull crosses all ranges of human diversity and is often seen as a point of unification by those who are enthusiasts of the Pit Bull breed. Most Pit Bull owners feel although in some cases we may have to keep our love for the breed hidden from society in general we also all in a sense belong to a Family with the Pit Bull being the common bond.  
 
At the American Pit Bull Registry we help make this a reality and help to show people they are not alone in their love and support of this most magnificent breed. 
 
Due to the constraints of space and the agility of the Black & Tan and now extinct White terriers of England these terriers were often being mixed with the old bull baiting dogs to achieve dogs which were premium at a full range of working purposes.  
 
It is believed that this practice of mixing bulldog's and terriers had its most official beginning in the town of Staffordshire England and became known as the Staffordshire Bull and Terrier.  
 
Due to the agility and gameness being developed in the breed many owners began to also compete their dogs in other activities including matches against each other. Some did this to develop a most dominant model of this already dominant breed some did it for even less noble purposes. Soon competitions became so popular that practically all Inns and Pubs were equipped with a sporting pit. 
 
Many today are under the misunderstanding that Pit Bulls were bred historically for fighting against each other. This is a myth that has been perpetuated by some registries over time that have supported such activities. While some individual Pits have been bred for this purpose it is important to note that this is but an infinitesimal part of the the breeds background and has never been practiced by more than a small percentage of its owners.  
 
Dog on dog fighting has never been the true and full purpose of the bred as a whole and those who continue to make such claims only pervert history and taint the true nature and beauty of the American Pit Bull Terrier. 
 
As colonization of America and Canada began growing immigrants and explorers also brought their dogs. These dogs soon became known by the current name of "Pit Bull Terriers"  
 
As time progressed a gentleman by the name Chauncy Bennett founded the UKC in 1898 with the American Pit Bull Terrier as its foundation dog breed. This is in fact when the officialization of the American Pit Bull Terrier ( APBT ) as a breed is recorded.  
 
Due to the protective nature many Pit Bull owners had at the time of their dogs many refused to register even though the breed standard had become officialized.  
 
Today many Pit Bull owners still continue to not register their dogs due to privacy concerns - especially with rampid Breed Specific Legislation ( BSL )- financial constraints and subsequent loss of lineage determination.  
 
Today the Pit Bull breed is in fact the most unregistered pure bred line of dog in existence. This has fractured supportive services to Pit Bull owners and over the years has worked to severely diminish the value of the Pit Bull breed as a whole.  
 
Here at the American Pit Bull Registry we seek to turn this trend around and to register ALL American Pit Bulls and encourage people with Pit Bulls registered among other registries to dual/multi register their Pits with us as well to help support their accurate historical documentation. 
 
The history of the Pit Bull is quickly disappearing and being re-written. One of our goals at the APBR is to capture the true history before it is gone forever.  
 
By the time of WWI the American Pit Bull Terrier had became a well loved and desired dog breed of choice. In fact the Pit Bull was used as America's canine military mascot of the time as seen in such posters as these during war time.  
 
In 1917 a Pit Bull by the name of Sgt. Stubby became a war hero for saving several soldiers lives and even capturing a German Spy while in the trenches of France with the 26th Yankee Division. A bust of Sgt. Stuby was even donated to the Smithsonian for historical purposes. 
 
Later the Pit Bull breed was used to signify sturdiness, dependability, and loyalty by such organizations as RCA, Buster Brown shoes, and even the loveable Pete of the Little Rascals.  
 
In fact the first dog to travel across America in a car was a Pit Bull ( Bud ) and did so also with the first persons ( Horatio Jackson and his assistant and "bicycle" mechanic Sewall Crocker ) to cross America in a car ( a Winton named the Vermont). During the trip Bud would assist in watching for large bumps in the road and often received as much if not more attention by the press than did Jackson. 
 
Horatio later donated Bud's goggles to the Smithsonian Institute in Washington D.C. After the trip was completed Bud bravely guarded the Jackson home until his death of old age.  
 
To order a film, book, or learn more on this trip click here. 
 
Presently the Pit Bull faces many challenges as its history is continuing to be written. As an advocate for responsible Pit Bull ownership and promotion the APBR is dedicated to preserving the history of the past and is dedicated to once again bringing shameless pride back to ownership.  
 
 
 
 
Pit Bull Myth: 
 
The term Pit comes from the Pit Bull's history with fighting other dogs.  
 
Pit Bull Fact:  
 
While it is true that the term Pit came from placing breeds of certain types into a literal Pit for sport the sport the "Pit" actually got its name from was however was "Ratting" where rats were thrown in a literal "Pit" along with a dog to see how many rats the dog could kill. The term Pit did not come from fighting with other dogs.  
 
Interesting enough that during the heyday of ratting that rodents such as rats were a huge risk to the world's population as they spread illness such as Bubonic Plague. Many farmers of this time kept such ratting dogs to keep such rodents at bay. In this way the Pit Bull has a significant role in helping society throughout the breeds known and relative histories. 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted @ Monday, March 18, 2013 8:02 PM by 71stratocaster
So your 55 aye Stratocaster? Seems legit.... Your a knob mate and you have lost the plot. Some body needs to lock you up in a padded room where you can fantasise all you like about your Pitbulls being god slayers lol go and take your meds fruitcake
Posted @ Monday, March 18, 2013 10:35 PM by Madmax
stratocaster is correct willingness can't be trained, in a litter, from a active gamed line pit bull breeding 1 if you are luky might have what it take to be a champion. 
Gameness is pass true by selective breeding, those dogs are truly engineer by human to fight, a gamed pit bull will have way more bite force then a pet pit bull and make easy chump out of a bob cat in fact a bob cat won't last more then minutes its been tryed over and over just like dogo argentino kill cougars in a cage fight. 
A GAMED pit bull is far from a pet it is engineer for one purpus and highly trained to do so, it's blood line comes from champion gamed pit bulls, it won't harm a human but will destroy anything else regardless of its size, it's is fearless, it as excess testasoron, it as stamina match by nothing, per body mass it's stronger then most wild life and stronger then animal weighting twice it's size, is willingness to fight is greater then pain, it will keep on fighting even with broken bones in fact it will keep on fighting until it dies of exostion. 
A gamed pit bull is smart it knows the rules of fighting like scratching.... 
the pit bull in general excel in most game and is used widly for sports it is truly the most well rounded breed and very intelligent because of its willingness to please its owner. 
Misconception from a blood game pit bull is truly unawareness of there abilities as a fighting dog and to think for a second a bob cat can even stand a chance is totaly idiotic and can come from only unawareness and uneducation about this subject.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:07 AM by Vince
Actually most Bobcats are far more aggressive than ABPT's and I would definitely favor the Bobcat based on its ability to strike and grapple. And there is no chance in gods green earth that a Dogo would stand a chance if pitted against a Cougar, you clearly have no idea what a Cougar is capable of. Look at the thickness of the Cougars limbs, the Cougars limbs are far more robust than any Canine's and the Dogo would be even more disadvantaged against the Cougars claws and strength. Next you dog cock riders will be telling us a 40lb Pitbull can bring down an 800lb Tiger... Cats are stronger at parity, a Felid is designed to bring down prey many times larger than itself, the muscles of a Felid's are geared to withstand massive punishment and stress while wrestling with large prey. Have you even been to a wild life park and observed big cats eg Tigers and Lions? No dog stands a chance....
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:18 AM by MarineCorps
@marinecorps 
I hate to burst your bubble but 100+lbs dogo vs 140lbs cougar as been done over and over the game dogo win it's a fact. 
And a 60 lbs game pit bull will demolish a bob cat or even a 100+lbs wild wolf that is also a fact it as been tried over and over. 
a cougars with out the element of surprise as nothing on a dogo after all it is a umbush predator. 
The dogo will initiat fighting and bully the cat until it goes on its back then the dogo will latch on the cat throat and position is body perpendicular to the cat body and move away from the claws as he put the cat to sleep again as been done over and over.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:08 AM by Vince
What a load of cod wally LOL most mastiffs I know would own a pitty, but old noel over here things he noes everything. And game CAN certainly be trained you idiot. Pittbulls are not the beez kneez haha  
And I don't know why you would talk about animal fighting in such a proud manner. Its disgusting and its the lowest any human can stoop. You are cruel abusive lowlifes who should be locked up. Its people like all you who have made pittys this way. Mungroels they are.  
Btw there is no pitty I no that would stand a chance with my pack. U think pitys have game, I LoL in your face because u ain't seen game yet :-)  
And yes ΔΔ is so right though. Wild cats have heck of a lot more chance. But why wouod dogs be fightin wild cats.... cause of this digusting excuse of a human race taking advantage of our beautiful creatures. I would never incourage my pack to fight. But they have been trained to when I need them to. Iff yu don't mess with me my pack will be your best friend. I feel sick even thinking bout my dogs having to fight to protect me. And very sorry for who ever is mesing with me. And you disgusting people enjoy puttin your animala in this horrible situations. You should be funkin put down 
All mastiffs are the best :-) :-) :-) :-)
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:32 AM by mastiffs
As I have said, in a cage, I 100% agree dog has huge advantage, the cat is not used to that and Will be scared and just trying to avoid and or trying to get out, not fight as the dog has been trained to do in a cage, that same dog in the wild on the cats terms, I think a cat could easily kill the dog,,, Just dont think you pitbull people can comprehend, wild cat in a cage is not the same attack as a cat in the wild...
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:33 AM by Dave
@mastiff, gameness in regard of having what it takes to be a champion in the sports of fighting CAN'T be trained if you truly were educated about the subject you would know that, a champion comes from 20+ generation of selective breeding from dogs that became champion themselves it can't be trained, 
Your mastiff will loose fast against a gamed pit bull in fact if the mastiff can't dispatch the pit within 3 to 4 minuts it will be all over the pit will win after that because the mastiff will become tired after that. 
Also commenting about the subject in a factual manner those not make me condone the act its self, if you can't handle the true don't even look at this web page. 
I own mastiff and can't tell you if the mastiff is not gamed and dont comes from a gamed selective breeding program, he will loose against a gamed pit bull less then half it's size. 
 
FYI I don't condone dog fighting and despise the sport it's self, i am just educated about the sport.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:57 AM by Vince
@david 
dogo , presa canario and pit bull are used to cougars hunt in the wild and they prevail at it that's a FACT.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 12:03 PM by Vince
Vince, you're gonna have to post the links to your assertion that a 100lb Dogo took on, and won, over a 140lb Cougar, and I'm talking about a cat that hasn't been de-fanged and/or de-clawed. Verified. 
You seriously have no idea how powerful a full grown Cougar is. and there's something else that a lot of the dog lovers just can't seem to grasp; yes your Pits and Dogos are trained to fight, but understand that Cougars and Bobcats, are PROGRAMMED to KILL. Nature has built them to do just THAT. Now, I have no doubt that an average size Pittbull would probably kill an average size Bobcat, but the cat would probably inflict some serious damage in the process. But a cat of equal size, would be just as strong, if not stronger, and twice as quick. That gives the advantage to the cat. If you try to take ANY dog, and put it up against a full-sized Cougar, and you might as well call the dog's mama, because the dog is coming home in a body bag. At least what's left of the dog, that could be found. Anybody who thinks differently, doesn't have a clue. 
I say again, the dog may be TRAINED to fight, but nature has built the cat to be a KILLER.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 12:03 PM by Jayson
@jayson 
gamed dogo and pit are not just been breed from generation of champions and conditioned for fighting its also engineer to dispatch its simple evolution from selective breeding (biology 101). 
not only its engineer to kill and fight its mentally condition to fight and kill for the fun of it no pain or intimidation will work on the game dog the dog will lay its own life for the game, the cat only kill to eat. 
the dog will get compliance by pain from a wild animal. 
Yes a cougars is a killer for its cicle of life but a gamed dog is a killing warrior, pound per pound the gamed dog is stronger as its been condition true selective breeding and training to optimize its stamina, strainght, tenacity, sound minding..... 
FYI in south America dogo fighting cougars happen everyday that's how they trained puppy by visual action to fight so they can hunt cougars in the wild. 
cougars fighting is a sport to excel you have to prove the dog, declawing and defanging the cat would not prove your dog nor would it condition your dogs to fight a cougars in the wild in a cougars hunt, in fact if you declaw or defang the cat you would put your hunting dog in a disadvantage as they won't know about the claws or fangs and would get seriously injured in the hunt.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 12:33 PM by Vince
wild animal instinct to survive, gamed dog instinct to fight and kill I raise my case.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 12:38 PM by Vince
Yeah Ok, UMMM dog with PEOPLE with GUNS and cat looses, no shit Really????? Just put the dog out there in cougar country and leave it there for a few days and we would see what happens, Cats are built to KILL not fight,,, You would find your dog in buried cat poop.. I rest my case!!!!
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 12:50 PM by Dave
And remember, cats are above dogs on the food chain for a reason,, mother nature has been breeding cats far longer than you pitt bull tards have been breeding dogs.. And thats pretty much all there is to it!!!!
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 12:56 PM by Dave
leaving the dog in the wild for days is beside the point, 
we are talking about a dog fighting a wild cat not a dog surviving in the wild. 
in a cougars hunt the dog will track, hunt, fight and dispatch the wild cat.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 12:56 PM by Vince
@dave 
mother nature breeds for survival not to fight and kill for sports, 
A wild cat is no equipped to go toe to toe with a gamed dog that's all there is to it. 
we are not talking about wild survival but dead on fight and pound per pound the game dog excel.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:04 PM by Vince
That dog is not doing it all, It takes humans, Other wise the cat would just climb a tree and fall asleep until safe, People scare it, its scared its running scared only trying to get away... You fail to understand IF the cat was going to the dog with the intent to eat, It would be a different attack, an attack that the dog has never seen and your dog would be killed and eaten,, your dog would not survive probably 2 days in the wild with out YOU!! and you know it!!!!
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:12 PM by Dave
DAVE, 
I agree with you but it's beside the point we are all aware that a wild cat is a ambush predator and can kill and eat a dog in the wild, 
what you seem not to understand is this web page it's about bob cat vs pit bull in a fight, it as nothing to do with the cat ability to ambush. 
FYI in a cougars hunt the game dog prey, hunt, fight and dispatch in the wild no need of human to achive that
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:23 PM by Vince
Every scenario you say , is in favor of the dog, cat in a cage, cat being hunted,, these are all in favor of the dog,,, These are not Normal for the cat, even still Im sure every once in a while,,, your prized human trained dog gets waxed by the cougar that is only trying to get away... Imagine what would happen if you took a cougar and fed it live dogs all its life, so when it sees a dog its thinking food, What then??? Now you have a cougar that is used to seeing dogs,, used to killing and eating them... Im sure the odds would go up quite a bit in the cats favor
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:32 PM by Dave
there is no way the dog, hunts down the cat without human help, Like i said the cat will just go up a tree and chill, no panic, it has to be scared, Its scared of humans,, I know you just dont go,,, ok dog go get me a cougar and sit in you truck drinking beer and wait for your dog to come back a few hours later with a cougar.. give me a break
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:39 PM by dave
 
spotlighting deer by cowards will confirm a kill. but doggy and cat in the same environ will mean a starved dead dog in a few days if cat hasn't tracked him down first - which he would have. - it's what they do.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 4:00 PM by Will
In a one on one fight in a cage or whatever the pit bull destroys the bobcat. Pits just dont react to pain. Now a pit vs a cougar is more interesting....the cougar wins that fight but the pit would do a lot of damage. The cougar is too big, more athletic and stronger than the pit. If.....if the pit gets the throat it could win but thats a big if.  
 
Btw....people who fight dogs are lame. With that said, i own and operate a dog rescue and whoever said mastiffs would beat a pit is wrong. Mastiffs become exhausted much too quickly. I have pulled a rottweiler off of a pit bull before though. It was definitely winning the fight. Not saying a trained fighting pit woukd lose to a rotty but this was one example. I break up fights and try to correct aggressive vehaviors though. Anyone who enjoys dog fights is a sick asshole.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:10 PM by sean
71stratocaster to you. You said you can kill a cat 25 lb with your bare hands. O.K. Why not be equal weight? Pick a cat equal weight to you. See what happens to your Ass.You sound like you are some kind of Muscle Head Gold's Gym Ass. You are Not that tough. You think you are. You bleed red blood like the rest of us and you can be taken down. No doubt. We don't want to hear about how YOU can kill something . We can all Kill something. Meathead. More muscles, less Brain.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:02 PM by docwyatt36
To Vince: Your case of a 100lb dog any dog, vs. a 140 lb Cougar you must be smoking weed or on some good drugs. You don't have much of a brain. A COUGAR? Your brain is severely abnormal or in retard mode. I don't speak to stupid people on here and common everyday sense you don't have. The Cougar would shred that dog in less than 2 minutes flat. The dogs organs would be on the ground and intestines would be strung out like a rope. You are not THINKING Clearly.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:31 PM by docwyatt36
Vince your a knob mate, show me a study that backs up your claim of Dogo's being able to bring down a fully grown male Cougar in a ring (With its claws and teeth). Most Cougars would be de clawed and de fanged if this were to happen. They used to put Lions against Hyenas back in the 20's and of course de claw and de fang the Lion so Hyenas were at a majorly unfair advantage. Cats are built for nothing but killing, Tigers bring down Gaur and Elephants, Lions bring down Cape Buffalo and Giraffes. Show me a dog that can accomplish a feat this great?
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:31 PM by MarineCorps
Domesticated Dog against Vs. a wild animal Cat. A Yard Dog Vs. a Killer Cat. Need I say more . You all know what will happen. If you have 1 oz of Brain in you at all , You will find the answer.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:43 PM by docwyatt36
To MarineCorps You have the right idea. You know a cougar well. I hate to tell these guys, but the Cat will win. They hate that.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:47 PM by docwyatt36
Docwatt36 
The only one stupid is you morron, 
A game dog is not a pet you truly are uneducated about game dog and want to make assumptions IDIOT.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:48 PM by Vince
@vince 
One more time, vince; there is not a dog in the WORLD, that can take a full-grown male Cougar. You talk about "Selective breeding", as if that can compare with thousands of years of NATURE'S DESIGN, the ultimate in engineering, a true killing machine. Cougars have been known to attack and kill 500lb Elk. The strength and power it takes to hold down and kill one of these animals, is more than anything ANY dog can withstand. You just don't get it; the Cougar is a PREDATOR. It KILLS for food, mating privledges and territorial rights. It doesn't fight for fun, or because it's been trained to. It kills because that's what it was designed, or if you prefer; "engineered" to do. As an ambush predator, the Cougar has to be incredibly strong, extremely quick, very smart, and more vicious than any Pittbull could ever be. It won't latch on to any body part it can find, it will go straight for the neck with a killing bite, and it will hold it's prey down with until it gets that bite in. There's not a Pittbull on this planet, that can break free once the Cougar has it pinned down. The Cougar is not a "warrior". It's a survivor, and it survives by.....KILLING.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:18 PM by Jayson
go to YouTube type in dogo argentino vs cougar and watch. 
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:34 PM by Vince
first..i said it would be easier for me to kill a 25 cat with my hands.....than to kill a 25 lb pitbull with my hands....a cat is more fragile than a pitbull...ive got friends that HUNT BOBCATS and have 1/2 bobcat 1/2 domestic cat and some of them are as big as bob cats...40lbs and you know some of those crosses are so sweet....there is 1 the guy has that loves me...they are outside and when I drive up it is like a dog to me..it demands my attention and know my voice as soon as it hears me..it is the smartest cat I have ever seen...but like I stated before....30 years ago I personally saw to my undelight a 25 LB PITBULL FEMALE...KILL/DEMOLISH A 43LB BOB CAT....IN ABOUT 30 SECONDS....SAY WHAT YOU WANT IT HAPPENED NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WHINE AND TRY TO INJECT OPINION...IVE PERSONALLY SEEN IT..PERIOD AND THE BOBCAT STOOD NO MORE CHANCE THAT A 10LB HOUSE CAT....THE BOB CAT ACTUALLY DID NOT WANT TO FIGHT AND WANTED TO GET AWAY...THE BOBCAT...NOT BEING ABLE TO GET AWAY FLUFFED OUT ITS FUR TO MAKE IT LOOK BIGGER HISSED AND ALL THAT STUFF...AND WHEN THE GUY LET THE DOG LOOSE FROM ACROSS AN ENCLOSURE...THE PB RAN STRAIGHT AT IT AND GRABBED IT BY THE HEAD AND SHOOK IT AND IT WAS DEAD IN A MATTER IF SECONDS....I GOT REALLY PISSED OFF AT THE GUY AND TOLD HIM IT WAS A COWARDLY THING TO DO. 
 
THE FIRST THING AND I DO NOT CONDONE IT IS BUT....IF THIS CRAP DOES GO ON AT LEAST THEY COULD DO IT WITH WILLING COMBATANTS....A COUGAR, BOBCAT, WOLF....NONE OF THEM ARE WILLING COMBATANTS IN A F+++++G PIT...THATS NOT WHAT THEY DO...AND THE PB IS NOT MEANT TO SURVIVE ON ITS OWN IN THE WILD...IT NEVER WOULD...IT WOULD COME UPON A BIG COUGAR AND GET AMBUSHED OR A BEAR OR WHATEVER AND GET EITHER AMBUSHED OR SWATTED IN THE CASE OF A BEAR....BUT I WILL TELL YOU...IT HAD BETTER BE A PRETTY GOOD SIZED BEAR....I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.a pitbull is simply to strong and can take to much punishment for a bobcat to be able to kill a PB...ITS just not happening...NOw im speaking of a PB that will fight...not someones pet that lays around and basically does nothing.. 
 
and im not talking necessarily of a fighting dog either..a PB used for boar/bear hunting and that has proven to be a pretty tough cookie will do....BUT PACK DOGS DO NOT USUALLY MAKE GOOD PIT DOGS. 
 
YOU CAN GO RIGHT ON YOUTUBE AND SEE A WOLF AND A WOLVERINE FIGHT...ITS NOT TO THE DEATH...BUT THE WOLVERINE DOES NOT JUST KILL THE WOLF AND SHRED ITS GUTS OUT WITHS IT FORMIDABLE CLAWS... IT LOCKS ONTO THE WOLFS NOSE AND LIP AND RIDES IT...JUST LIKE A PB WOULD. CHEWING THE SHIT OUT OF IT UNTIL IT COMES OFF OR THE WOLF GETS AWAY.... 
THE WOLVERINE AND PB FIGHT VERY SIMILAR...BUT THE WOLVERINE IS STILL NOT AS GAME AS A PB.....AND A WOLVERINE IS 1 OF THE ONLY ANIMALS IN THE WILD THAT WILL FUGHT TO THE DEATH...A WOLF, COUGAR, BOBCAT, LION, TIGER, ALL OF THEM.....IF IT IS AN EVEN MATCH......AND THE FIGHT STARTS TO GO A LONG TIME ??? WHEN 1 OF THEM GETS TIRED??? IT WILL QUIT/SUBMIT... THAT IS HOW THEY DETERMINE DOMANANCE. BUT THERE IS NO SUBMIT IN A GAME DOG...THATS WHY IT WILL DIE IN THE WILD ( REMEMBER THEY DO NOT DO WELL IN PACKS ) IF LET TO RUN LOOSE... 
 
TELL ME A WOLVERINE WONT KILL A BOBCAT.... AND A WOLVERINE IS 1 OF THE ONLY THINGS THAT DOES STAND A CHANCE AGAINST A PB... AND THEY WILL FIGHT.... THE WOLVERINE DOES NOT INSTANTLY KILL A WOLF..AND THE WOLF ENDS UP LIVING AND GETTING AWAY...IT RUNS...A GAME PB WOULD HAVE NEVER QUIT...PERIOD....EVEN IF IT WAS GOING TO DIE....A DEAD GAME DOG WILL NEVER QUIT UNTIL ITS LAST BREATH....AND YOU CANNOT TRAIN THAT...IT IS GENETIC. 
 
IF YOU CONSIDER A 45LB PITBULL CAN KILL A 450LB WILD BOAR...WHICH BY THE WAY IS 10 TIMES ITS BODYWEIGHT.......A 500LB LION KILLING A 5000LB BUFFALO IS A CLOSE MATCH POUND FOR POUND...BUT THE CAT IS STILL NOT AS GAME AS THE PITBULL. 
 
NOMATTER IF THERE IS AN ANIMAL THAT CAN KILL A PITBULL....THERE IS NONE MORE GAME THAN A PB....YOU CANNOT GIVE ANYTHNG MORE THAN YOUR LIFE 
 
THERE ARE FEW ANIMALS THAT ARE WILLING TO GO THROUGH WHAT A PB IS WILLING TO TOLERATE SO IT WILL NOT GET DOMINATED...NOT EVEN A FIGHTING CHICKEN IS AS GAME AS A PB. 
 
ALSO..IF YOU KNOW HOW TO USE YOUR COMPUTER....THERE ARE PLACES ON THE INTERNET WHERE THERE ARE DOGFIGHTS AND ANIMAL/PITBULL FIGHTS ( NOT IN THE USA ) MANY IN RUSSIA AND THE UKRAINE......THERE IS 1 THAT IS FROM MEXICO...THE COUGAR DOES STILL HAVE ITS CLAWS AND ALL OF ITS TEETH...IT IS IN AN ENCLOSURE..IT IS AGAINST A DOGO ARGENTENIO....I WILL SAY NO MORE  
 
THERE IS PB AGAINST PRESA CANARIO, PB AGAINST ROTTWEILER....THIS 1 IS PARTICULARLY DISTURBING AND WHOEVER THE GUY WAS SHOULD HAVE A PB LET LOOSE ON HIM....AND MOST OF THERE FIGHTS ONLY LAST FOR 15 OR LESS MINUTES. 
MANY PITBULL FIGHTS WHEN EVENLY MATCHED CAN EASILY GO 1-2 HOURS...THE RECORD TIME FOR A PITBULL FIGHT IS 5 HOURS AND 23 MINUTES BACK IN THE 70'S. 1 OF THE COMBATANTS WAS FROM A STRAIN OF PB CALLED....BOUDREAUX...A PURE STRAIN FROM 1 OF HIS LINES GOES FOR UP TO 10,000 DOLLARS.....THEY UED PITBULL BACK BEFORE THE ROMAN TIMES TO FIGHT IN COMBAT AND FOR SPORT...THE PB HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A VERY VERY VERY LONG TIME. 
 
YOU ALL ALSO KNOW THAT THE PITBULL WAS ACTUALLY BRED BY EARLY MAN AS BAIT ???????? THE WILD DOGS/WOLVES AT THE TIME HAD MANY TRAITS AND THE GAME TRAIT IS 1 THAT EARLY MAN BRED FOR....JUST LIKE THE BRED FOR HERDING AND SCENT TRAILING..... 
 
THEY WERE WILD ANIMAL BAITING DOGS...THE MEN WOULD TIE THEM UP AT THE BASE OF TREES ( BAIT ) AND WAIT FOR BIG GAME TO COME IN AND TRY TO EAT THE BAIT..THEY WOULD THEN FIGHT THE GAME FROM THE RELETIVE SAFTEY OF THE TREES 
 
THE DOGS THAT SURVIVED ALL OUT ATRTACKS BY BIG GAME...AND ALSO THOSE THAT WOULD LET THE MEN TEND TO THEIR WOUNDS WHEN THEY WERE INJURED AND HELP THEM SURVIVE ???? THESE WERE THE 1'S THAT GOT BRED AND IS NOW THE MODERN DAY PB.....LIKE IT OR NOT.... 
 
THESE ANIMALS HAVE BEEN BRED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS TO DO A SPECIALTY...OF WHICH THEY HAVE NO EQUAL....POUND FOR POUND.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:50 PM by 71stratocaster
I think I've already seen that video. I didn't read where it says anything about the condition of the Cougar, I.E; was it de-fanged and de-clawed. And that certainly was NOT a full-grown Cougar. Was it healthy? Under-fed? Sorry Vince. The video proves nothing. A statement was made that a Pitbull was stronger than wild animals twice it's size. Another statement was made that a Cougar couldn't stand "toe-to-toe" with a game dog. Both statements are, to put it bluntly, ridiculous.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:19 PM by Jayson
@jayson, 
this video is not to prove anything but to inform you cougar hunting and fighting with game dog is conducted as a sport all the time. 
as a sport the game dog must prove its self defanging or declawing the cat would not do that and in fact make the dog useless in a hunt because of is unawarness of the cat claws or fangs, also lets face it you really thing does guys have enough money or time to actualy surgically remove the claws and fangs then let the cat recoup and then pit them with a dog, you can clearly see on the clip the dogs get injured, also those dogs especial the one fighting cougars weight up to 120lbs obviously the cat in the one on one fight in the beginning is grown and he the dog actualy kill that bigger cougar. 
wen they had two dogos that was to trained those were not full grown. 
Fact game dogo fight and kill cougar. 
Fact a game pit bull will demolish a bob cat or even a small puma. 
fact a game pit bull will win in a pit against larger game dogs 2 out of 3 fight.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:56 PM by Vince
@Vince 
Vince, #1 I don't think these guys would go out of their way to spend mpney to "surgically" remove a cat's fangs and claws. they would probably do it themselves. After all, if the object is to kill the cat, what would be the point of trying to be humane about pulling it's weapons, to say nothing of the fact that they probably couldn't find anyone certified to do it anyway. 
This also brings up the point of why would anyone take the risk of training a dog, by having it face an animal that could kill it? I would think that you'd get the dog used to killing the cat first, without doing damage to a prized animal. In any event, that did not look like a full-grown Cougar to me. The fact is, I don't think you'll find ANY wildlife expert that would pick a Dogo or pit, over a full-grown Cougar. The Cougar is just too powerful, too quick, too many weapons, and it's not built to fight...it's built to kill. It doesn't have to be trained, that's just what it does. Understand, as a solitary predator, it will avoid a fight if it can, not because it's scared, but because it can't afford to be injured. No one's going to tend to it's injuries or feed it. But further understand that when there's no way out, or when it's compelled, it will not fight just to be fighting, it will fight to KILL. You really don't seem to appreciate the power of these Cats. If a full-grown Cougar can hold down a 500lb Elk and kill it, it can hold down a 100lb Dogo, or 65lb Pittbull.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:43 AM by Jayson
they use pitbulls as catch dogs...ever heard of 1 of those ? 
 
the can chase down and hold a 2000lb brahma bull by the nose while the rancher brands it....I think a 2000 brahma bull will give an elk all it wants and more...and tis is well documented and has been on American tv a million times...a couple times on 60 minutes..and they have been using them for this for centuries...wolverines also can take down an elk.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 1:02 AM by 71stratocaster
Vince you need to get back on your meds mate, and that stratocaster guy needs to stop talking in caps lock like some paranoid schizophrenic retard. Pit fights last for that long because neither dogs have the correct tools to kill each other?quickly and efficiently. They lack claws and long canines that a cat possess. Cats can take a tonne of punishment there was a Tiger in Nepal that was shot five times in the head before proceeding to kill two villagers and maul a gunman before finally going down. Seriously dude no body will take you seriously until you learn to spell and string proper sentences together... You sound like a drunk Baboon. And for the love of god try and write shorter messages, no body is going to bother reading your utter bullshit
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:41 AM by MarineCorps
I haven't seen a dog fight since I'm not a criminal asshole, but I'd think an Airedale protecting its territory would just pick up the little pitbull and shake it until it was limp. 
 
If you've ever been to the city you see young gang members tryihg to be macho walking their pit bulls. They go home and beat their women and go cry in the corner lamenting their tiny dicks. Yes, I'm stereotyping, but it's true. 
 
People that get pit bulls for tough guy reasons are insecure and the rest of us laugh or feel sorry for them. I just laugh.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:07 AM by Will
WOW vince that video sucks and only says what i have been saying,, in a cage dog will probably win most of the time, how long has cat been in there, was it declawed, is it healthy.. anyway would a dogo dog fighting douch bag really put a video of the cat killing the dog? How ever you look at it the cat is not in a normal enviroment, A it has been trapped, or B was found as a kitten and raised in a cage... Take that dog and put it in Cougar country for a few days and lets see what happens,, you say they can hunt down track and kill them, so should be no problem RITE?
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:00 AM by dave
@dave,will,marinecorps  
IDOT we are talking about fighting a feline with a dog thats no more then 50 lbs its weight, it can't be used in its normal environment the cat will run away 100% of the time just like in the hunt, he will automatically loose by forfeit. 
A game pit bull as nothing to do with gang member and true dog man don't even leave in big city IDIOT. 
do you realize what kind of shock and the amount of blood will come from declawing and defanging a cougar the cat would not even walk nor fight IDIOT. 
how are you going to condition your dog for hunting and fighting wild cougar if you don't trained them IDIOT 
and fighting them in a cage prove the dog, in order to selec the breeding you need to prove the dog only true champion can breed do you even understand what selective breeding is? I think not, A bunch of unaware idiot that want to make a point pathetic bias cat lover. 
research game dog conditioning, selective breeding, performance. 
In fact read about the KEEP it will show you what kind of training game dogs goes true and that with out selective breeding they would not be able to accomplish just the training, in fact the avrage pet pit bull or any dog would die just from training theyr body would not be able to cope, those dog are no pet nor wild life they are far worst they are generation of engineering for one purpus to be stronger, faster, more stamina, and skilled at fighting or killing only true genetic pass true by using selective breeding can this be possible. 
None of you have ever see a game dog.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:30 AM by Vince
So I guess a game dog has been given a trait by selective breeding to not bleed, In that video the cat is clearly kicking with back feet (where claws are suppose to be and not one mark on the dog??) hmmm I wonder why??? Maybe not remove them, but sure can DULL the piss out of them to make them useless thats for damn sure!!! Have a game dog walk up on a cougar that just made a fresh kill or that has her kittens, there would be no retreat or fear, and we would see a dead ass dog, in probably less than 2 min.. A cougar can hang with a grizzly bear you idiot, there is no selective breeding tactic to make a dog stronger, faster, more agile and more adapt for killing than a cougar,,, Again the cat in the cage is clueless to what is going on,, let the dog come up on that cat in the wild with her kittens, or defending its fresh kill,,Im more than sure you would not want your dog put in that situation.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:55 AM by dave
You said , It cant be used in its normal environment the cat will run away 100% of the time just like in the hunt and lose by forfeit, you also state, no need for human cause the dogs will hunt, track and kill all on there own??????? It cant be both now can it!!!!! Vince
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:04 AM by dave
Dave  
Ether situation the cat run away or get overwhelm, 
In the hunt the cougar is the prey idem and run away. 
in the hunt the cougar is not in a normal environment as its on the top of the food chain normaly, it is not used to be the prey or fight dead on other then fighting other cougar. 
also muscle is much more resistant to clawing Especialy if it's flex, game dog have very little body fat there muscle have extreme density (again from selective breeding and training), also if you pay attention to the clip as the cat try to claw the dog move and position it's self in a way clawing will have minimal effect on him, if the cat grab and hold with its claw the dog won't stop it does not feel pain. 
The dog will get compliance from the cat by pain in other word the cat will give up the fight and let himself get kill. 
 
Please research game dog and stop making stupid assumptions, do you realize what kind of care it will take from professionals to declaw or defang a cougar to the point he can walk or fight back, just your assumption on declawing or defanging the cat shows how ignorant you truly are the amount of time or money needed to accomplish even to dull the claws or fangs is quit a task even dangerous and you won't be able to prove your dog nor make him a hunter waist of time, money...... 
a grizzly will murder a full grown African lion and you talk about a cougar WOW your stupidity just want to a hole diferrent leve a grizzly can be over twice the weight of a African lion. 
One more time in the hunt the cougar is the prey even wen there is kittens or fresh kill the cat own survival instinct will kick in as the dogs will attack fearlessly and constantly no fight back will scare the dog away.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:41 AM by Vince
We are not talking about ambush. We are talking 1 on 1 straight up....no advantages to either combatant....as far as speaking of a cougar...a bobcat even in ambush cannot kill a PB. 
 
A 41lb pitbull...female...she at 1 time held the guiness book of world records for weight pulling for pound for pound most weight pulled by a canine in a verified GUINESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS contest run by the UKC. 
 
SHe pulled 100 times her bodyweight. 
 
She weighed 41lbs and pulled 4100lbs. 
 
Your 41 pound bobcat cant come anywhere near the physical strength as a pitbull. 
Like I also stated above...and someone dismissed it but it is a true test of power and strength.....ESPECIALLY ExPLOSIVE STRENGHT. 
 
Versace the PB pulled 171+ times his bodyweight...Hr weighed just 71lbs and pulled 12,170lbs...The GUINESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS had the north American record of only 6500lbs......PULLED BY A 283LB MASTIFF......VERSACE WHO WEIGHS ONLY 71LBS BLASTED IT BY 7,179LBS....AND WAS GIVING UP HOW MUCH IN BODYWEIGHT ???? OH 212LBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
 
And you cant just dismiss the power this breed is capable...You do so only if you are ignorant. 
 
A 500lb tiger would have to pull.....85,700lbs....Do you actuall think a tiger can pull that much. 
 
A don't put words in my mouth....I know a PB cannot kill a tiger....But I promise you the PB will go directly at the tiger....no ciorcling....no barking....no hair standing up to threaten.....it would just run in.....get swatted and then either killed or eaten...NO PROBLEM... 
But I bet you if you have 10-50lb pitbulls to go for the500lb tiger......the PB's will win. And if you have a 500lb PB ??????????? THEN WHAT ?????????????? 
 
like I said..i unfortunately saw a 25b pitbull KILL a 43lb female bobcat in less than 30 seconds.....I told the guy he was a coward.... there are lots of people around where I live that trap bobcats...there are millions where I live...as there are coyotes and black bears.... 
 
any good sized dog that will take a little punishment will kill a bobcat. 
 
a dobermanh, rotty, german shepard, belgan malinois, black and tan coon hound, Louisiana Catahoula, mountain cur.....everyone of those breeds and many more...I consider these breeds light boned breeds except the rotty. 
 
They can all dispatch of a bobcat....just like a PB. it doesn't take a PB to kill a bobcat......Also in the wild a cougar will run if it can to get away from dogs, but this conversation was not aout PB and cougar... 
 
PB and bobcat.... 
 
those that want can argue all they want...But ive seen what ive seen and that is fact....not conjecture for the sake of argument.... 
 
Ignorance demands recognition and those that say that a bobcat can kill a pitbull with only their opinion ??? Is only that...Opinion....I have seen fact. so you can argue and call names all you want...You just reinforce my statements. 
 
I have friends that trap bobcats, coyotes ande I can tell you straight up a bobcat is not a fair fight for a pitbull... 
 
Whine and bitch and call names all you like...I have a life and this means nothing to me.... 
 
Actually it is kind of fun rattling peoples chain that have no clue nor experience in using dogs to hunt big game..... 
 
Go watch hog hunters on tv....except for the honnds to track...You will see ALL OF THE DOGS USED ARE EITHER PITBULL OR PITBULL MIX...THEY WANT THE BEST DOGS FOR THE JOB...
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:06 PM by 71stratocaster
@ vince 
My domesticated house cats never get over whelmed or anything and run away from fighting with each other and they are the size of rughby ball. There is no way a wild cat in its on territory will back down. It will eat the dog for breakie. Lol you are jus pulling on in bro n talkin a hole lot of shit right now 
 
@Dave you are completly right :-)  
 
I love my cats and dogs equally so I'm not bein BIAS :-) :-) :-)
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:07 PM by mastiffs
WOW jumping from house cat to lion, we are talking about bob cat to a cougar vs a game pit bull because a bob cat won't stand a chance, your point of argument are not subjective to the argument in fact you take out of contest what you want and infuse irrelevant point. 
we agree to desagree no hard feeling a cougar is a beautiful and powerful animal on top of the food chane and no animal should suffer nor be engineer for the amusement of man kind.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:18 PM by Vince
Vince.. and u say u own a mastiff. You must not train you're dogs very well mate coz I can tell u right now every mastiff I've known has had more game then any pittbull. My two neo mastiffs have game, and I trained them myself you idiot. You can't tell me game can't be trained cause I've done it u knob. I have been raised with mastiffs and I no everything about them. Ure just another pitty lover.  
My pack is very very quick. Smart and they defitnatly have TRAINED GAME :-)
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:19 PM by mastiff
Ummm there are videos of cougars and nature shows of cougars standing up to grizzly bears no where did I say killing a grizzly bear.. And you can also see the cougar killing a wolf defending its fresh kill, same would be with the dogo or pitbull, no chance in hell sorry, So I guess the dog in the video muscles are so dense they cant get cut by a razor, Your delusional,,, I could have a cougar drugged, go in there and file down teeth and cut claws with no experience whatsoever, that is not rocket science Vince, watch the video of the cougar killing the wolf, less than 3 seconds, not a scare away tactic, dog charges, cat is faster and stronger, contorts to the side, throws dog down and holds with claws and bites the neck with more than enough strength to kill any dog on the planet.. Your just a bias dog lover
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:26 PM by dave
About the bleeding.....Have you ever seen IRON BODY KUNG FU MASTERS DEFLECT KNIVES, SPEARS? 
 
MIKE DAYTON 1976 MR AMERICA -GONG CHI KUNG FU MASTER-IRON BODY PRATICITIONER ) ON WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS LET A GUY ( INOKI OF JAPAN ) WHO WEIGHS 300LBS IT HIM IN THE CHEST WITH A 21 POUND MALL...WHILE HE WAS LAYING ON THE GROUND...IT BOUNCED 8 INCHES OFF OF HIS CHEST WHEN THE GUY HIT HIM...AND HE HAD JUST SPLIT A BIG STUMP...WITH 1 HIT SECONDS BEFORE ) 
 
SKIN MUSCLE AND BONE WHEN IT HAS BEEN CONDITIONED....AND THE SUBJECT HAS THE GENETIC POTENTIAL.....ALL OF THIS STUFF CAN TAKE TREMENDOUS PUNISHMENT WHEN PROPERLY CONDITIONED. 
 
YOU HAVE NO CONCEPTION ON WHAT IS POSSIBLE TO DO WITH SKIN, BONE AND MUSCLE...IT IS STRONGER THAN STEEL..YOU KNOW WHY...BECAUSE IT IS FLEXABLE. 
 
THERE IS A FIGHT WITH A WOLVERINE AND A WOLF ON YOUTUBE....WHY DIDNT THE WOLVERINE GUT THE WOLF WITH ITS HUGE CLAWS...IT WAS SCRATCHING IT TOO. 
 
WOLVERINES ARE ALSO KNOWN FOR THEIR CLAWS AND ARE ALSO KNOW TO KILL BEARS AND COUNTAIN LION...SO DONT BE TO QUICK TO SAY THINGS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT... 
 
CHECKOUT THE YOUTUBE VIDEO WITH THE WOLF AND THE WOLVERINE.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:26 PM by 71stratocaster
lol domesticated Cats run away from conflict all of the time. So do some dogs as well. A game Pit Bull......Never. Like I said before I run a dog rescue and rehabilitation. I get Pits that were former fighting dogs. You have to try and rehab these dogs to actually value their life because they would rather die fighting than to even turn their heads away. That is a fact....a very SAD fact. 
 
A Bobcat could very well claw all it wants against a game Pit Bull and the Pit will just keep pressing forward for the kill. Humans have spent a thousand years or so conditioning these dogs to ignore pain and keep fighting. Killing another animal in a head to head fight is ingrained in their DNA.  
 
So a Pit vs a Bobcat is really no contest. Pit wins 99.9% of the time.  
 
As for a Pit vs a Cougar. I still think the Cougar wins. Too strong, fast and agile. The Pit will win SOME of the time because if it gets the throat the fight is over. However if I had to play the odds I would say the Cougar wins 7 out of 10 times.  
 
Im biased for Dogs. I made them my career lol. However, you dont truly understand the nature of a truly game Pit Bull unless you have been around them and seen them when they go into attack mode. It is terrifying and their strength is incredible.  
 
And we should all stop insulting each other. We just have different opinions!!!
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:31 PM by Sean
@mastiff 
I do owne mastiffs in fact one dogo argentino and two dog de beaurdox. 
and I am a fans of neo they make incredible guard dogs and can be used for game like hunting, the neo can win in a fight with a non gamed pit bull or even dispatch a trespassing wild animal like a bob cat or a cougar. 
selective breeding brings up the traits you want you can do that to neo as they used to be warrior in ancient times the romain pited them with African lion and only two were needed, 
But the neo of today is more of a pet it will take 50+ year of fighting, training, selectively breeding the line to make it become a game dog to fight in a pit and bring it to the gamess of a game pit bull.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:33 PM by Vince
Yeah a Mastiff vs a game Pit Bull isnt a good fight for the Mastiff. They dont have the conditioning required to win that fight. And as any Mastiff owner will know their bones and joints arent very healthy. 
 
I also love Mastiffs. One of my pack is a Mastiff. Love the dog....But she lays around most of the day lol.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:39 PM by Sean
Umm for starters wolves have long hair, which will help and also even if cut would not show rite away, pitt and dogo have short hair,, and im not buying it dude, sorry but a sharp claw with a shit pile of force behind it will cut muscle, there is no way around it, so only another game dog and cut and make another game dog bleed??? you talk like these dogs are the most amazing creatures on the planet, I agree a 500 lb pittbull would be pretty bad ass, but so would a 500lb chiawawa (how ever you spell the taco bell dog) but then again if you shrunk a pitt bull down to 12 lbs they would not be able to kill an alley cat. so your point is worth nothing. sorry
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:39 PM by dave
dave, 
 
You are taking the hole fight out of contest, the dog move with the direction of the force applied by the cougar therefore limitate the force applie to the skin so not only the body of the dog is condition to take the caw but it's training help him limitate the impact of claws by using its brain, this can only be train by trial and observation therefor declawing or defanging the cat would make the dog useless. 
look we agree to desagree no hard feeling.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:49 PM by Vince
How do you know your neo's are game ???? do you fight them until they were almost dead... 
 
Did you give them a game test ?? 
 
A game test consists of bringing in at last 3 dogs to spar your dog with..A game test will also go for at least 1 hour..Yu can tell othing about game unless the dog is willing to go for t least 1 hour...THAT IS THE COLD HARD FACTS NAD THERE ISNO ARGUMENT FOR THAT. 
They will let the first roll go for 20 minutes with the first dog....THEN BRING IN A FRESH DOG...AOTHER 20 MINUTES AND THEN A FRESH DOG AFTER THAT....THEY MAKE THE DOG TAKE TREMENDOUS PUNISHMENT FOR A GAME TEST... 
 
SO TELL ME.....IF YOU DID NOT DO THIS....THEN YOU DO NOT HAVE A KNOWN GAME DOG. 
 
JUST BECAUSE A DOG WILL FIGHT EVEN 30 MINUTES MEANS NOTHING AS FAR AS GAME IS CONCERNED. 
 
mkaNY PB'S THAT WILL GO 30 MINUTES ARE NOT NECESSARILY GAME. 
 
DID YOU 3 DOGH YOUR NEOS. 
 
ALSO MY FRIENDS BANDOG...1/2 PIT 1/2 NEO...IT IS A BOAR DOG 
 
 
GOT ITS CLOCK CLEANED WHEN IT BROKE ITS CHAIN AND CAME DOWN TO ATTACK A 70 LB PITBULL. THE PB GRABBED IT BY THE NOSE ( WHILE STILL ON THE CHAIN ) AND IN NO TIME THE DOG WAS CRYING TO GET AWAY...THE GUY WAS IN THE HOUSE AND HEARD IT AND WENT OUT AND BROKE TH PB OFF OF THE BANDOG...THIS WAS A VERY WELL CONDITIONED BANDOG TOO...AS I SAID THEY UISED IT ON WILD BOAR. 
 
JUST BECAUSE A DOG IS BUIG AND AGRESSIVE MEANS NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO GAME 
 
MOST GAME PITBULL ARE VERY VERY NON PEOPLE ARGESSIVE AND A PROFESSIONAL DOG FIGHTER WILL NEVER ALLOW A MANEATER INTO THE RING....PERIOD...MAN AGRESSIVE DOGS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS NEVER DEAD GAME....PERIOD.... 
 
YOU ALSO KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN BREEDING PB'S FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS DONT YOU ???THIS GAME TRAIT IS THE SELECTION OVER THOUSANDS OF YEARS....BACK TO AND BEFORE THE ROMANS..DO YOUR RESEARCH....THE PB IS DIRECT DESCENDANT OF THE ALANO AND THE BLUE POLL....AND THESE DOGS WERE BIG. 
 
THERE ARE MANY PB'S THAT WEIGH IN EXCESS OF 120LBS...AND ARE PURE BRED....MY PB'S FATHER WAS 118LBS IN TOP CONDITION AND 29 INCHES AT THE SHOULDER AND A 30 INCH HEAD.... 
 
A PB HAS THE LARGEST WEIGHT VARIATION OF ANY BREED....20LB-140LB. AND BACK IN THE 1800'S IT WAS NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE A 15LB PB.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:53 PM by 71stratocaster
How many times do I have to say, I agree in a cage the dog will win most every time, the cat is completely out of its element, scared trying to find a way out, completely scared and stressed, people screaming, in a cage, with a dog attacking it, what do you really expect and this proves nothing, NOTHING. Cat defending territory, kittens, or fresh kill, would be a different attack, it would not be scared, does not matter if the dogs runs as fast as it can, its not faster than a cougar, not stronger, the cat does not need stamina, 1000s of years of selective breeding has evolved them to be efficient killing machines, not fighting machines.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:54 PM by Dave
No vince I dont agree to disagree, the only thing I agree with Is in a cage the dog will win, when hunting a cougar with people the dog will win, Its been put in the position to win with human help, Again get a any game dog you want and let it wander into a cougars territory with its kittens there, You wont, cause you know your dog would be dead in less than a minute and you know it. you just wont admit it cause your a bias dog lover.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 1:01 PM by dave
The conversation about a Pitt or a Dogo being able to take a Cougar, is just silly, and really not worth even talking about. Anybody with ANY sense knows that ANY dog going up againt a full-grown Cougar, is just Cat food. It's probably the reason why a Bobcat was chosen to take on the Pittbull. A Bobcat is the smallest of the Lynx genus, and really, is just not big enough to take on a Pitt. I've no doubt the Bobcat would inflict considerable damage, but on average, would probably lose to the pit. A much better fight, would be to put the Pittbull against an Eurasian Lynx, which is the LARGEST of the Lynx genus, and can reach 70 lbs, although I think the average is closer to 60 lbs. The power and strength of a Lynx this size, is more than a match for a Pittbull. I know the dog folks keep harping about how the game dogs keep going foward, how they can't feel pain, yada, yada, yada. It's not PAIN that's the probem for the game dogs. They might be able to take a lot of punishment and keep going, but the one thing they can't overcome, is DEATH. And that's what the Cat deals out. There are few things more impressive in the animal kingdom, than watching a Cat take down prey that's 3 or 4 times it's own weight. Simply put, man's ability to breed, over time, a dog to be a "fighter", can not match nature's evolution of an apex predator.  
One's a "fighter", the other is a "killer". There's a big difference between the two.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 1:10 PM by Jayson
exactly Jayson, I have said all this but when your dealing with pittbull and dogo people, its like just walking into a wall over and over and over.. They are just upset that the cats are above dogs on the food chain..
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 1:18 PM by dave
I agree with Jayson to a certain extent. A Pit Bull vs a Bobcat is not a fair matchup. The Pit wins pretty easily. I also agree that its pretty unreasonable to compare a Pit to a Cougar because the Cougar wins pretty easily most the time. 
 
I disagree where he says one is a "killer" and one is a "fighter" though. Dog Fights end up to the death so the game Pits are killers, but just for sport, not survival. Jeffrey Dahmer may have been a "killer" but I guarantee you that I can whoop his ass lol. So the ability to kill doesnt necessarily make you better at killing than something that trains to kill. A trained fighter (i.e. pro mma fighter or boxer) will beat up a non trained fighter 99.999999 percent of the time. Knowing how to win a fight against another aggressor is a valuable trait to have. Even if you are smaller and weaker.  
 
NOW with that said....If this fight is in the wild any of these cats are going to win. That is THEIR domain and they will stalk and kill the Pit before the Pit really knows what happened. However in a cage....The Pit would destroy a Bobcat and possibly even hang with the Cougar and even win every so often because they know to immeditely go for the neck...Which the Cougar may not necessarily know to do and it would be confused to a certain extent. 
 
However the website asked the question: TRAINED Pitbull vs Bobcat and so its fair to say the Pit wins convincingly.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 1:23 PM by Sean
I understand what you're saying about game dogs fighting to the death, but for the Cougar, it's a way of life. As an ambush predator, it will go directly for a killing bite, at the neck. It's the fastest, most sure way to make a kill, and when you're trying to hold down a 400-500 lb elk, the kill better be pretty quick. It makes no difference to the Cougar if it's in a cage, a pit, in the wild, or a phone booth. When the Cougar makes the decision to fight rather than flee, the fight will pretty much be over. The Bobcat is just not a good match for a Pittbull. The Eurasian Lynx, on the other hand, in my opinion, probably comes out on top 60% or better.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:44 PM by Jayson
Jayson--- 
 
I agree with you about the Lynx. That would be a REALLY good, and much more even fight. I agree the Lynx wins more often than the Pit.  
 
I agree the Cougar wins the majority of the time against a Pit. The reasons I said in the cage teh Pit stands a better chance of winning a few is that "IF" the Cougar is scared and unsure of what to do, and the Pit gets around its throat then it may be over quickly. Still though the Cougar wins that fight the overwhelming majority of the time.  
 
Im biased towards dogs like I said. But I dont care how well they kill. I love them for their companionship and loyalty. So I have no problems admitting that there are plenty of big cats out there that can destroy any dog. The Bobcat just isnt the one to beat the Pit Bull.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:09 PM by Sean
@dave The Dog people are pretty loyal, but nothing can change these facts: 
Cats are Nature's ultimate land predators, and there's not a Dog in the world that can come out on top against a full-grown male Cougar. They are too strong, and too quick. A head first attack by a Pitt or Dogo, would result in the Dog getting knocked on it's butt with a vicious swipe of the Cougars fore paw, a swipe which, by the way, is likely to also open up the side of the Dogs head, if it doesn't take an eye out or an ear off. I don't think the Dog people understand or appreciate the POWER behind one of those blows by the Cat...and the catwill probably be on the Dog before it can recover, with a killing bite. That's the way Cats work.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:09 PM by Jayson
Vince. U seem to think you know everything. But you don't lol my dogs neck is 75cm let's not even compare a piss ass pitty too a real dog aye. Neo mastiffs are much more powerful then pittys always will be.  
My dogs are not human agressive dnt know where u got that idea from mate. And I do a lot of training with my pack and like I've said before they have game, and comparing a wild cat too a dog is silly. This fighting bullshit is so inhumain. And disgusting. You shoudnt be proud to be saying what you are u cock sucker
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:18 PM by mastiff
I agree Jayson,, no dog is gonna kill a cougar in the cougars element, in a cage, cat is probably going to be to stressed and scared to know what is going on, so its really not a fair situation.. a bob cat will end up smoked im sure, but then again I may inflict enough damage that if the dog did not get medical attention from humans that it would die to.. So now what? they are apex predators and thats all there is to it.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:03 PM by dave
All this talk about "Game" and a trained pitbull. Why do you need to train the pit? Do you need to train the Cougar? The Cougar is already trained from birth. The Cougar Owns the Pitbull. You can "Rocky Balboa" your pitbull , spend years training him and he still dies by a Cougar. Dummies.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:32 PM by docwyatt36
To that dude that said 10, 50lb Pitbulls could rival a Tiger that's a load of bs. A single strike from a Tiger would shatter the Pitbulls skull. There is a study on discovery channel that stated a Tiger hits with enough force to knock down an adult Brown Bear. Have you even seen how thick a Tigers neck and how massive a Tigers front limbs are? The Pit bulls would barely pierce the skin it's ridiculous... Tigers have been known to take on 20+ Dholes and kill more than half the pack before the dogs retreat. Nothing short of a large pack of Wolves would even phase a Tiger mate you are a hopeless deluded dreamer
Posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 8:51 PM by Joey
Cougar as low long capacity meaning no stamina in a fight it will be tire and overwhelmed fast, 
Game dogs can fight for hours at 100% strainght. 
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:27 PM by Vince
Vince - it won't take the cougar hours to get the job done. after the first swat the pet dog won't have a face. without muscles a jaw won't work well...unless you think the dog will lick the cat to death.
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:34 PM by Will
Gamed dogs like dogo have been selectively breeding for 50+ year to make the line stronger, faster, tougher, to perfect the skill of hunting and killing big game like boars and cougar, and by doing it they put themselves on top of the cougar food chain as the cougar become the game dog prey.
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:35 PM by Vince
Will 
obviously watch the clip on YouTube and you can see it will be impossible for a cougar to kill a game dogo with one swap even if the cat as 30+lbs on the dog. 
In fact the cougar don't stand a chance it as no stamina, it's overwhelm by the tenacity and strainght of the game dog if anything it's scared of the dog ferocity, it's almost helpless because the dog know the cat weakness and know how to handle the claws and fangs, also the dogo know how to win and kill the cat. 
The cougar is a prey to a game dogo, a game pit bull will win 2 out of 3 against a game dogo what can possibly make you think a 80lbs puma/cougar can't even last more then 10 minutes against a game pit bull.
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:46 PM by Vince
Vince, mother nature has been selectively breeding cougar for 1000s of years to be highly skilled and killing its prey,, once again have a any game dog you want wander into a cougars territory with while protecting its fresh kill or kittens, and your trained dog would be dead in less than 2min, not hours. And again them dogs are not going into the woods and finding cougars, hunting them down, and catching them without human help, and im sure even in the event of hunting cougars, and the cat is just trying to get away, them dogs get fucked up and sometimes killed.. And thats just a cat trying to get away!!! 10000 years of selective breeding a dogo and it still will not be as fast, strong, or as efficient at killing as a cougar,,, You have to do all that crap to the dog just so the dog stands a chance!!
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:54 PM by dave
Dave,  
you are make pure assumptions and speculations about a game dogs been slower, weaker and less efficient at killing, witch is falls. 
Let me ask you have ever seen a game dog in action? 
Do you know hands on what kind of training they go true? 
do you know what selective breeding even mean when used for a game do blood line? 
I raise my case.
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:04 PM by Vince
Those cats have the fight or flight sense, when you hunt them you and I both know your using the flight side of this against the cat, and its only trying to get away.. It takes a skilled dog, humans and guns... If every cougar out there had only a fight and not flight, you know damn well any dog you had would get killed so god damn fast, it would be a joke.. Just go leave your prized dog out there in cougar country for a couple days, without humans near by,, you say they hunt them and are above them on the food chain.. LOL give me a break
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:13 PM by dave
No dogo alive is as fast or as strong as a cougar, them dogs are impressive, im not taking anything away from them,, and Im not even against hunting cougars.. If the cougars mentality is to kill the dog IT would, when a cat wants to kill, it does not use claws for scratching, it uses them for holding, this would only take a few seconds, not hours like it takes a dog, The cat is faster, more agile, and stronger, It would get the back or side of the dog bite the neck and hold the dog down with claws, Cats are one of the most agile animals on the planet, the term cat like reflexes is there for a reason, not dog like reflexes.. your just a bias dog lover,,, I rest my case
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:29 PM by dave
Dave again wrong, 
The cat know its capacity that's why it's a umbush predator it can't go toe to toe, low long capacity no stamina it tires fast and become helpless.
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:30 PM by Vince
Dave, 
How do you know there is no dogo alive that is stronger or as fast as a cougar? 
Pure assumption and speculation your argument don't stand,. 
The fact is pound per pound the game dog is stronger, and in most case the dog is stronger then wild life weighing 30+lbs more. 
fact in order to be faster or stronger you need longs capacity witch the cougar don't have.
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:37 PM by Vince
and vince, that video is BS, Like I said it does not take a rocket scientist to drug a cat, dull it teeth and cut its claws, that cat is a training toy for the dogs, Im SO SURE its health is a concern, there are other photos of the cat on a chain,, you really think that cat is 100%.. That cat has been tormented, probably not fed, and has has multiple dogs attack it.. They dont let the first dog kill the cougar... That video proves NOTHING. Its just to see what dogs are dumb (game) enough to attack,, from there they know which dogs are disposable enough to take hunting.
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:45 PM by dave
vince, no where did I say a cougar has more stamina, Ok maybe If I type slower you will comprehend, Cougars are faster and stronger and more efficient at killing, If the cat wanted to kill the dog I would do so fast, they do not need stamina, the dogs do.. stamina is not associated with speed and strength,, read this twice if you have to.
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:50 PM by dave
Without my taking sides here, it is clear to me that the cat proponents are far more intelligent and considerably more educated than their "game" dog counterparts.
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 4:02 PM by David
Well you know what they say, not every one that has a pitt bull is a dumb ass, however every dumb ass has a pitt bull!!!!
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 4:24 PM by Dave
@Vince Vince, The Cougar can hold down prey that weighs 3x as much as it does. Nature has designed it to do that. Yes, the Dog will have more stamina, but that won't come into play. Once the Cougar grabs it, it's game over. The Cougar will go straight for the neck, straight for a killing bite. This won't be a fight as you think your game dogs will fight....this will be the Cougar doing what nature designed it to do; kill. And it will do so, in short order. 
I'm not saying the dog won't put up a fight, but it really won't matter. It's not STRONG enough. It's not FAST enough. And no matter how much testosterone has been bred into it, it can't match the fury and rage that the Cougar will bring to bear. Nothing man can engineer, can match what nature can do.
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:04 PM by Jayson
Just thinking, IF I had a dog and went to hunt a cougar im sure there has been a light weigh titanium collar made to put on the dogs neck that would prevent a cougar from killing it, if it did bite the dogs neck..  
 
It is people hunting cougars using dogs as a tool, It is not Dogs hunting cougars.. get straight vince
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:11 PM by dave
Vince, You must be doing this stupid comparison to keep this Blog going. You know well , you were born with a Brain, that the cougar will win. Don't even talk about a tiger, vs a pitbull, it will be a slaughter in less than 5 seconds. I want to know what kind of Drugs you are on. You must really love your pitbulls to defend them with lies. You tell me how on Gods green earth a born killer as a cougar or tiger can loose to a Yard Dog? There is just no way in Hell the dog will win, no matter how much you love him.
Posted @ Thursday, March 21, 2013 8:47 PM by docwyatt
That video with the cougar is just plain EVIL! That animal was drugged and obviously had no claws. Furthermore, its teeth were probably filed. Disgusting abuse of one God's creatures. That cougar was probably taken as a cub after the cocksucker who put out that video shot its mother. Let me say this... anyone that torments an animal for fun and sport belongs in hell and that is where you dog fighting people are going when you die.
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 12:16 PM by David
@dave, docwatt 
Once more do you have proof of your assumptions and speculation? 
 
I think not. 
 
Stop speculating it portrait you as ignorant 
The true is you have no clue and you assuming and use theories you made up as a irrelevant point. 
You clearly shouldn't have a opinion as you have no knowledge of game dogs nor actual abilities of a cougars.
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 12:29 PM by Vince
Vince,  
Cougars pull full grown deer up into trees after killing them. A pit bull might be able to hang from a rag and support its body weight for 5 minutes, but that's just jaw muscle - not shoulders, neck, abs, legs strength. People that train dogs to fight have issues that probably make it difficult to understand such details.
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 12:40 PM by Will
so Vince, did you make the video, I think not, so you have no proof that the cat has not had its teeth filed and claws trimmed, And we all know the abilities of big cats, they are apex predators, Once again, cat in a cage with a game dog, or cat being hunted by PEOPLE with trained game dogs, cat is screwed, Now go leave your (that is if you even have one) game dog out there in cougar country unsupervised for a few days.. You wont, cause the odds of survival are less than the cats odds of survival in a cage or being hunted by PEOPLE with dogs.,,, I typed really slow maybe I should attach photos and use really big bubble letters and pop ups for you!!
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 12:45 PM by dave
@will  
You are making pure assumption in regard of a game dog ability and conclude that it's less powerfull. 
You are speculating.
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 12:50 PM by Vince
No Vince, just comparing the power of a pit bull vs. a cougar. If you think a pit bull could carry a 200 pnd deer down the street, let alone up a tree, that's just silly. Stick with bobcat vs. pit bull - that is at least closer.  
 
The only weapon this dog has is its tenacity, endurance and bite and the pitbull's is up the with the hyena in psi; which is less than a tigers, which less than alligator. 
 
It takes an asshole to train a dog to be an asshole. Wild animals work on a different level - survival. There's no game or sport in it. Teach your pitbull to play tennis if you're into sports. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 1:02 PM by Will
No dog is as fast, strong, or as agile as a cougar, we are not talking about stamina vince,, Go leave your dog out in cougar country!! You must be worried if you leave your dog out there, then there wont be any cougars to hunt cause your dog will hunt and kill all the cougars in the area HUH..
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 1:04 PM by Dave
the question was could a bobcat kill a PB..in a straight up fight...nothing was mentioned about being ambushed in the wild....But PB will kill bobcat even if it is ambushed... 
 
 
also what size PB are we speaking of ? 15lb-150lb ???????????????????????????? 
 
 
The ADBA REGISTERED AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIER...has the widest weight range of any breed...........from 15lbs to 150lbs. 
 
so when you compare ?..... then you have to think of the biggest most powerful and the gamest pitbull there is if you want to be fair 
you know there are PB's that weigh more than 140lbs right ??????? 
 
Im not talking about some PB that lays around and never exercises either. 
 
land of the giants has 2 pups and they start at 6000 dollars for a puppy.....and they are 100% ADBA REGISTERED ..this is from 1 of their better breedings...nothing they have is less than 2000-3000 dollars for a pup. 
 
they have 2 of them right now for sale...1 for 6000 us dollars...the other for 8000 dollars. OBO... 
 
 
They also have a pic of a 150lb PITBULL ON THEIR YARD. 
 
 
a 150lb game PB is a formidable animal....and we all know a PB cant take a tiger THATS SILLY...BUT I CAN GUARANTEE THE PITBULL WILL GO STRAIGHT AT THE TIGER...TO ITS OWN PERIL OF COURSE...but it will go and not be scared.....unlike the cat the pitbull has been bred to have no fear and has lost all threat display....unless it has beet taught to threaten....there is simply no threat in them....just all business and 00000000000000fear..........and yes they do feel pain.but...........scientific research has said the APBT has more concentration of ENDORPHINES in its system than any other mammil they had ever tested.........endorphins help win fights.............. 
 
Also if we are now off topic and talking cougar in the same context we were speaking of..... in a straight up fight...neither animal has advantage and are both fully aware of 1 another...that is a fair fight...straight up. 
 
both cougar and dog can both win...but a dog and cat of equal size...the dog will be a harder biter...a 50lb hard biting pitbull can bust an 15in steel belted radial car tire.....easily.........if you look at the teeth on a 50lb pitbull and look at the teeth on a 50lb bobcat...you will see the pitbll has bigger teeth than a 130 pound Rottweiler......my 25lb pitbull Minerva had as big of teeth as an 80lb Doberman...they can have really huge teeth for their size...a friend had a 40lb pitbull that I have never seen a Rottweiler, bullmastiff with teeth as big for the size that this dog had...2 inch canines on a 37lb dog. 
 
so to be fair...when you compare a pitbull you have to use a 150lb example and it also has to be the gamest you can think of...because you give the cat all the credit...then you must also gove the PB credit for also being able to be 150lbs and game to the core......... now we aren't talking about a small dog....pitbull the same size as a Tibetan mastiff...which all mastiff types breeds came. 
 
the Tibetan mastiff is the forbearer to ALL MASTIFF AND MOUNTAIN DOG BREEDS....including neo mastiff.......and chinese nomads do not like the larger monastary bred dogs.  
 
you have to be kidding if you think a pitbull can only hold on to a rope for 5 minutes ? then you really have no clue....a house dog can hold on for 5 minutes....try 1 hour with the feet not touching the ground....and that is from my 89lb PB...moe.. who also holds a degree in tracking and off lead obedience...in 82 I was the first 1 in my area to have a titled PB....all of my pitbulls....5 of them...sleep in the house and in the bed....never on a chain or on a yard....but I do run them on a teread mill 30 miles a week and also do explosive drills with them 3 times a week.
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 1:59 PM by 71stratocaster
@will, dave  
Once again you are speculating and assuming the capabilities of a game dog, you offer no factual point, your opinion carries no weight, you are making false statment, 
It does not matter how much you try to argue, you clearly have no knowledge about game dogs nor cougars for that matter. 
why do you bring tigers or lions WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A GAME PIT BULL VS A COUGAR or BOB CAT get that true your skull WOW talking about ignorance or the lack ability to work your brain. 
 
You must be kids.
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 2:27 PM by Vince
FYI I know what the capability of a cougar is I am the one who told you about there low longs capacity, I happen to also know the capabilities of a game dog and the fact that a cougar VS a game dog as been tried over and over the dog win also the hunting dog track, prey, fight and dispatch wild cougar in the hunt with out human help.
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 2:32 PM by Vince
You are brain dead, IF people were not there the cat would simply go up a tree and chill,, No dog in the wild is going to sneak up on a cougar. Just go leave your dog in cougar country alone,, This will end all speculation.. FYI your not the one who figured out cats have low LUNG capacity... They are not built for stamana, they are built to kill and kill with minimal effort.. unlike your game dog that needs hours
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 3:03 PM by Dave
@vince What more do you need to know about the Cougar? We know that t has the largest range of any land animal in North America. It's size can range from 80lb to upwards of 200lbs. The further North the Cougar lives, the bigger it's likely to be. This is because of the availability of larger prey. The Cougar, although not considered a member of the Big Cat club, it is the 4th largest Cat in the world. Only the Tiger, Lion and Jaguar are, on average, larger. The Cougar is an ambush predator. It kills with a killing bite to the neck, a bite that in some cases, has been known to BREAK the neck of smaller prey. Cougars are opportunistic predators. They will eat anything they can KILL. So what can they kill? The average size of a Cougar weighs 150-160lbs. They can take down Deer, Elk, and in rare cases, Moose. They can take down a 500lb Elk. To hold an animal of that size down while it applies a killing bite, takes TREMENDOUS strength. Look at the muscles on his fore-quarters and shoulders. There is NO WAY a Pitt or Dogo can compare to that. These dogs simply cannot overcome that kind of power. And if the Cougar can get a killing bite in through the neck of a full-grown Elk, it would have little problem doing so, on a Pitt Bull or Dogo. The Cougar's hind leg muscles, are the biggest in the Cat family, enabling it to jump a span of 40 ft. Like all solitary predators, it will avoid confrontation if it can, not because it's afraid, but because it instinctively knows that any injury could be a death sentence. If it can't hunt, it can't eat. But when it decides to fight, it will fight to KILL. It backs down only to the Bear or a pack of Wolves. It is a nocturnal hunter, so it rarely comes across these predators. It is VERY territorial, and will not tolerate another Cougar in it's territory. So, that's what I know about Cougars. Let me be very clear about this; I don't know squat about game dogs. I think it's a ridiculous and stupid endeavor. Nature did not intend for animals to battle each other for SPORT. Only very insecure people feel the need to engage in this nonsense. No matter how much selective breeding you may put any particular dog through, you cannot improve on what nature has spent 2000 yrs in evolution. The Cougar was engineered to bring down prey, many times it's own size. To bring it down, and KILL it. That's what it does, and that's what it will do, to your Pittbull or Dogo. 
It really is no contest.
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 5:08 PM by Jayson
Wrong, jayson, did you seen that video , A cougars clwas are useless against a trained game dog, there muscles are so dence and ridgid they cant cut, and the dog has black belt training on cougars, they hunt them down and dispatch them. you have no Idea what selective breeding is, you ignorant, just watch the video, I raise my case
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 5:32 PM by vince
@dave, jayson 
 
again read my previous comments you making pure assumptions and speculation as you have no facts to offer, please don't try to educate me about cougars as I know much more about them the you do with the addition of game dogs off course. 
 
The previous comment is not from me, KIDS
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 5:50 PM by Vince
"black belt training"? 
You're either trolling, or delusional. Either way, I can't argue with ignorance. I'm done.
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 5:52 PM by Jayson
Black Belt training? Ahhhh, I have had one in TKD for 30 years and at no point would I dare say that I could fight as well as a cat, from which many, if not most, of the stances, blocks and hand strikes were copied and learned. I'm sorry people, but this blog is reaching the absurd and I feel sorry for those that believe that a dog, even a game dog is equal to a cat of equal size... it baffles my imagination that anyone could be so mislead. Game is nothing more than blind bravery and if you ask me or any soldier if blind battle rage mean victory, we will just laugh... The men that attack our troops are often filled with such blind bravado, but I promise you that they are flesh and blood and they die as quickly as the coward under superior firepower. I am disgusted with the dog fighting industry and those of you who condone it should seriously oppokse it and repent of your evil ways.
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 6:23 PM by David
Come on people. Again, I will say it Again. A YARD FUCK DOG Against Vs. A wild Fuck Cougar. Did all of you get that? A bred to Kill Cougar. Give me a break Vince, On slap of that claw and the Dogs Guts are hanging out, Period. The Dog has No fuck chance in all Hell. You smart people know that.
Posted @ Friday, March 22, 2013 11:24 PM by docwyatt
The only fact you have vince, is When hunting cougar, people use dogs to help them.. Go leave your dog alone in cougar country... You wont, you know your dog would not stand a chance, You know it you just wont admit it.
Posted @ Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:25 PM by Dave
 
What do you call a dog alone in the wild and not some gay little cage? - Breakfast for some cat. And since bobcats can kill game twice the size of a pitbull, again it's math and mother nature vs. pets of insecure dudes who torture pets for jollies.
Posted @ Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:13 PM by Will
A bobcat would slice a pit wide open! 
Posted @ Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:00 PM by Melodramatic
Pitbull = Insecure asshole owner. I need a Dog to make me look tough. I am really a little whimp but don't tell no one. My Pit makes me look like a real man. A pit Dog is a "PET" pets you adopt from a pet shop. Pet against a Cougar. O.K. Rest my case.
Posted @ Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:54 PM by docwyatt36
Whoever said that all Pit Bull owners are wannabe be tough guys I would just like to say that is not true. Like I have stated before I run a dog rescue. It is my passion and occupation. I try to rescue and rehabilitate these dogs and find them a home. Many of these dogs are Pits. I have no interest in looking tough or participating in dog fights.  
 
So it would be nice if you wouldnt generalize.
Posted @ Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:28 PM by Sean
Then @Sean You are 1 out of a million that rescue dogs. Why do you need to rehabilitate? What is your purpose? Because those Dogs were mistreated by the assholes I am talking about on here. You know the people I am referring to. You seen them and you know.
Posted @ Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:35 PM by docwyatt36
This is stupid. Of course a cougar can lay out any dog (wolves too). But we're talking about a bobcat. A bobcat just doesn't stand a chance in hell against a pitbull.
Posted @ Friday, May 10, 2013 1:06 PM by Slice
I'm back. Been away for awhile. I see the love of the pit bull can stop anything. Even a moving Fu*king train. Give me a break people please. All of you are mad because a "Cat" can kick a dogs ass. Live with it.  
Posted @ Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:21 PM by docwyatt36
Bobcat. Hands down. I seen a Bobcat almost kill 2 Dobermans alone.
Posted @ Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:24 PM by labi
As I always say, Not everyone that has a pittbull is a dumbass, however EVERY dumbass has a pittbull!!!!
Posted @ Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:00 PM by Dave
Wow! Put down the skittles! If a Pit-Bull was walking in a stranded field, a Bobcat would be thinking... Dinner! Yay! Unless the two of them were in a tiny room together, I don't know how a Pit-Bull would ever get ahold of it. There is definitely some bias Put-Bull lovers here lol!
Posted @ Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:21 PM by Seth Bohnart
The bobcat would rip the dogs belly open, I've seen it happen, cat wins most of the time.
Posted @ Friday, August 09, 2013 7:48 PM by mike
I have a little something to say..... For both sides to debate and for both sides to realize that people who fight dogs usually drug them. It's not because the dog was born to have really tough skin and really badass. No!!! I was told that dogfighters use steroids or other drugs to penetrate inside the dog so they won't feel pain when they fight. I don't fight dogs and for the dogfighting side, you dogfighters are probably rookies only. Because anyone who fight dogs or not should've known about this a long time ago. And I've comment on this question before. I was giving my answer saying the bobcat would win because it has a mentality of a wildlife instinct meanwhile pits and any other dogs would have to be beaten up to be cruel and evil. I also saw that mountain lions are brought in this conversation. If pit can barely and sometimes lose to a lynx or bobcat and also they usually get owned by wolves, it's no contest between a cougar and a pitbull. Cougar will fight a pitbull and then have it for a feast. THE END!!!
Posted @ Sunday, August 11, 2013 9:57 PM by JAYCEE HANGKID
Ay buddy Vince!!! Put me in this conversation with you and your boyz. But dude I'm not tryna be a smart ass but it's either you jus trying to sound annoying or it's either you trying to convince others by saying your a dog expert. Really most of your words are over exaggerated. Yes cat's aren't too impressive with stamina but they're a lot faster and stronger than any domesticated dogs. Idc if it's game or not. If you read my comment above and if you claim you are a game dog expert, you do know that people who fight dogs pretty much drug the dog so they won't feel shit right? If you don't then that's the reason why pitbulls and any other fighting dogs don't react to pain. It's like you fighting someone who's high or drunk and they don't feel pain man... That's common sense right there!!... But again Vince if you are mouthing so much and favoring the dog in this debate, my question to you is do you have the enough guts to put your money on where your mouth is? If not please don't brag so much because that is annoying the shit out of people. Especially look at about 4 or 5 maybe people who comment against you. They have a better comment and can seem to be more true than yours is. Sorry buddy, I'm not tryna be mean like I said before but your words don't make sense 89% of the time. I agree with you about the bobcat part ok now that part I'm with you. But toe to toe against a cougar fighting any dog Idc big or small is going down if the cougar wants to fight. And you should know that most dogs can't even beat a lone wolf and if they do they struggle to do so. Cougars to defeat a lone wolf is pretty easy for him/her. Reply with respect and I'll reply to you with one. Don't be a smartass because I'll reply with rudeness right back.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:50 PM by JAYCEE HANGKID
@jaycee 
Look I drop this, it's a waist of time, unless you have truly seen a fighting dog and saw his conditioning and understand what selective breeding is you won't understand the strength a game dog have, I am not talking out of my ass, biology, physical conditioning, engineering are the real facts I bring in the table. 
Pain tolerance and stamina and the will to fight can not be trained, or induce by drug as the dog would be less effective from reacting to the drug drowsiness, over heating, less stamina... A gamed dog does not have oversized muscle it will make it overheat and slower therefor a true dog man won't use steroids. 
I am talking about a GAMED dog that can fight on record for 6 hour that can pull 100+time it's body weight and dont feel pain or fear, it will keep on fighting with significant injuries, it's pain tolarence comes from generations of selective breeding its phisicaly engineer to creat traits you desier exemple a blood hund can smell far better then any dog or a wolf., a blood game dog is breed purly to have extreme stamina, strenght, pain tolarence, fighting skills.... It takes years to develop a true champion 100+ years of selective breeding makes today gamed dogs. 
wolf fighting smaller gamed dog as been try for years over and over the wolf loose it doesn't have the will to fight. 
Also a 35 gamed pitbull will mauled kill a 30lbs wild bobcat in minutes if not second what's so different then a 110lbs cougar vs a 125lbs gamed dogo? Nothing the cat get mauld it does not have the will or ability to fight. 
Before you reply saying the cougar have claw and big teeth just know that i know the anatomy and ability of a cougars, but unlike what seems like most people on this debat I know what a game dog is capable of and how it came to be that way, therefor I am not bias or ignorant about the subject and because of that I don't want to waist my time with this debat anymore sorry no hard feeling.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:44 PM by Vince
Also Vince, will u rather fight a wildcat then a domestic vicious dog? Please say the dog because if anyone say a wildcat then they need to go get a check up by the doctor for some mentally retarded illness. Pitbulls aren't titans bro and will never be. A pit then again was only bred to fight dogs and other dogs. They never experience a straight up fight against any other wild animal toe to toe so I don't know what some of you people are talking about. Don't give a bullshit statement by saying it was use for bait and to hunt this wild animal because the truth is that the dog has help from the owner which is ya'll people. Let it do it by itself then you have a shredded dogmeat you got to clean up. Amen!!!!
Posted @ Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:00 AM by JAYCEE HANGKID
I can tell you Vince that a buddy of mine got his grand champ pitbull that he won against so many other dogs got his dogs jaw broken by a mountain lion. Yea ur right odds are a pitbull will maul a bobcat because bobcats are not that big. Eurasian lynx would probably give a pit a hard time too. When you post something please try to be realistic about nature habitats and don't over exaggerated on a behavior of a wolf. You people are the reason why pits are banned. Pitbulls are not the worlds badass dogs. And also a mountain lion have 20 knives on him total. that he would use his jaw strength too. Like I said before that a dog have a sense of smell of a wild animal and most dogs will whimper. Only the idiots who brings out their idiot dogs would do such a thing like this. Because you know when a cougar is on a mission he's usually not gonna use his bite weapon until he grabs the dog Vince. He's gonna be swiping from both angles and to me you trying to tell us that a dog is not gonna react to pain or he may have dodging moves like he's on Jet Li's level or sumthin like that. But yea dogs are badass against very little creatures and other dogs. We may hear a thread about pitbull vs grizzly bear.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:13 AM by JAYCEE HANGKID
@jaycey 
I would rather fight neither it's cruel, 
I never said pitbulls are titans I said pound per pound a gamed dog is the better fighter hands down no contest the feline get mauld and in some occasion it's better then wild feline bigger then its self. 
Pit have a huge amount of gameness and will fight anything especially a feline they don't need experience as a game dog is far superior fighter, feline are unbush predators the never fight there prey dead on. 
Toe to toe of a game dogo and wild cougar or pitbull and wild wolf as been try many times the game dog win. 
Bro in Argentina they pit dogo and cougar in a huge cage the dog kill the cougar it's a fact the cougar can run and is force to fight and loose, don't go saying its declaw and defang those guys don't have the nesecery resource to declaw or defang them surgically, and the cougar would be in serious trauma if it wasn't removed surgically. 
 
Again I am not talking about a pet pitbull but a GAMED dog, the chance of anyone seeing a true game dog is extremely slim, a pit bull on the street is a pet. 
a cougar is not build to fight dead on look at its anatomy and compare it to a game dog in Argentina wen they fight dogo vs cougar the dog is the initiator it mauld the feline not the other way around that's why wild life loose they don't have the will, stamina, strength, pain tolarence balance as a gamed dog, also hunting gamed dogo go cougar and boar hunting the dog get tolarence by pain that alone prove that a gamed dog is to much to handle for wild life. A game dog vs wild life is a unfair fight the dog as a tremendous advantage. 
A pet dog and a wild feline is a other story the feline is much more favorable.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:30 AM by Vince
 
 
Heres a funny 1. 
 
 
Bobcats overrated. Here's an account of a bobcat killed by 120 pound old man... 
 
 
08/09/08 23:12:08 
 
 
WESLEY CHAPEL, Fla. - A 62-year-old Florida man depended on his instincts when a bobcat attacked him, and it paid off - he survived, the bobcat didn't. 
 
Dale Rippy, a resident of Wesley Chapel, Florida, was pulling trash cans back to his house May 30 when he saw what he thought was a large cat. After realizing the animal was actually a bobcat, he set the trash cans down and prepared for an attack. 
 
Having grown up on a farm, Rippy said he knew the bobcat would attack when it didn't run away after seeing him. 
 
"When it growled, I knew it was going to jump and bite me," he said. 
 
The animal then jumped on him and began to scratch and bite. Rippy said he knew if he could get a good hold on the animal, he would be able to choke it, even if that meant letting the bobcat take a couple of bites. 
 
"I started choking it when I got a good hold," he said. "I choked it 'til he died. I got scratched up pretty good." 
 
Rippy never had to go to the hospital, but was examined at a doctor's office due to puncture wounds on his stomach and scratches. 
 
 
 
After the attack, his neighbor called the police, who then called animal control. After the animal was inspected, it was found to be infected with rabies. 
 
Rippy said now, he and his neighbor that helped him after the attack have to have rabies shots. 
 
"It attacked me because it was sick," he said. 
 
Rippy said he has lived in his home 25 miles north of Tampa for 13 years and, although he has seen a panther and other animals in the wooded area behind his house, that was the first time he had ever seen a bobcat. 
 
He also said those around him were very surprised about the attack and how he saved himself by killing the animal. 
 
"The bobcat was big enough that it could have really hurt somebody, especially since it had rabies," he said. 
 
Ive been around these animals all my life.. 
 
IF YOU ARE NOT A PU55Y and can take some punishment and have some hand strength ?? You can kill a bobcat.............EASY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is just a matter of survival and the will to not give a crap you just got the s&&t bit out of you. 
 
Its not like getting shot. and a lot of people don't quit in war after they get shot. especially with small caliber low velocity rounds. it hurts yep.. get over it and strangle what it is that has you. simple as that. 
 
THERE IS ABSOUTLY NO WAY YOU WOULD HOLD DOWN A 60LB PITBULL BY THE NECK. 
 
a 60LB PITBULL WILL HAVE A 19 INCH NECK.... 
 
HOW BIG IS THE MAN THAT HAS A MUSCULAR 19 INCH NECK ???? 
 
A 60lb PB has the neck of a 225lb bodybuilder people. The PB would crush your arm.. Period. My dog Moe could bust a 15 inch steel belted radial.... ive also seen rotties do it and any dog that can come anywhere near busting a radial tire... even nonradial if they even make those anymore ?? 
 
Your arm is useless after it gets bitten like that. you will go into shock if you don't have someone get it off. especially when the PB starts shaking and doing a death roll like a croc.  
 
and like I said.. they are like a snapping turtle.. unless you pry it off ( breaking stick ) it aint coming off. 
 
and if you kill the dog while it is locked ( they don't really lock... (It is an instinctual/death grip ) ) on ? 
 
you will have to have it surgically removed if you are still alive. 
 
 
 
We also have Bobcats for pets here.. although it is not legal. buy mostly just people that live in more rural areas.  
 
there are also hybrids and you wouldn't believe how good of a pet a bobcat domestic cat hybrid can make. 
 
even a 100% bcat can be very friendly.. But still wild as are the hybrids.. but a bobcat domestic cat hybrid is the friendliest cat I have ever seen. 
 
My friend has 1 and it is the sweetest most friendly cat I have ever seen. It is both an inside and outside cat. His sister has 2 full grow bobcats that are around 35lbs and also are inside outside and sleep in the bed and they even get along with a corgi. 
 
if you have never touched and felt 1 of these cats you have no idea that they are are light boned and actually fairly fragile and are easily hurt.... especially compared to the steel hard muscles of a PB. 
 
Ive had these cats on my lap rub their bellys 
I can tell you without question a bobcat's ribcage, stomach and muscle TONE in general is nothing compared to a PB's. 
 
Like I said. People here in the country have had these cats for pets, ( coydogs too ) hunted them and trapped them for sport for longer than ive been alive. And Im 55. And Ive been messing with PB's for 35 years.... and have been raised around dogs and cats all my life.  
A friend used to have an exotic animal license ( 30 years ) and rescued lions and tigers, a grizzly bear, wolf, 18 foot python he used to take to schools and show the kids. llamas...potbelly pigs, mountaian lions. 
 
I believe equal weight mountain lion vs PB is a toss up giving the edge in a straight up know the opponent is there to the PB. 
 
And there are 100+lb pure bred PB out there with no mastiff ect. PB has the largest weight range and coat color of any breed. 
 
Small dogs of 15lbs were common in the 1800's but also larger specimens were kept by people that had more money as it was expensive to feed a dog in those days.. so there were many many more small strains. A dog is an athelete. 
Albiet a herding dog, retriever ect are also athletes and To be their best they must have the Best nutrition. 
 
 
A Bobcat is nothing to a PB.  
 
We hunt coyote and Bobcats both here in the mountains of eastern ky and in an above post I also stated I didn't condone it.. 
 
I personally saw a 28lb female PB named Minerva/Minnie blow through a 43 lb bobcat almost instantly.. 
 
And we are speaking of a straight up fight.. no ambush and both animals knew the other was there. The dog charged the cat just like it would another dog and locked onto its head as it rolled it and shook it at the same time. There was a crunching noise that sounded like someone stepping on a potato chips. 
 
I don't like any form of hunting for sport.. although it is popular here and many of my friends do it...... and it is legal. 
 
A bobcat is not much more than a heavier boned housecat with larger teeth and claws and a fearsome growl... But they are very easily hurt and a PB will crush 1 as easily as biting through a chew toy. 
 
And while the PB may not have the most powerful bite overall.... pound for pound it does but it is also not the all out force. it is the ability to hold on for a long time and generate a high bite force and grind your way through the tendons and bones ect. and not get tired. 
 
I bet a PB can hold onto a spring pole for 30 minutes and not let its feet touch the ground. 
 
the PB has a very powerful bite for its weight. 
 
Jim Elliot of Elliots K9 Guard Dogs once told me that a PB had a higher bite force than the rotties he trained for attack. 
 
This is from a guy that sold meadowlark lemon ( harlem globetrotters ) a rotty. 
 
They can hold onto a spring pole for a really long time and not let their feet touch the round. 
 
If you dont know what a spring pole is ??? 
 
Now about steroids.. 
I know a lot about those too. 
 
I also have a degree in nutrition.. 
 
But first.. 
 
Never would someone drug a dog to not feel pain. As Vince said. 
 
Any type/class of drug that would kill pain would also reduce reflexes, cause heat exhaustion and is not even a consideration.. 
 
There was a book written by Richard Stratton. 
 
This is the American pitbull terrier... and the book of the American pitbull terrier.. they came out more than 30 years ago.... he had many interviews with guys born in the 1800's and 6hat had strains named after them 6hat are still around today. 
 
Think John Colby. 
 
The Colby strain.. 
 
Their pedigrees go back... documented to the early 1900's.. more than 20 generations.. They are on the internet. They have old glass negative photos of the early dogs that made the strain from 1905 and before. 
 
his family still breeds the strain. 
 
1 of the rules in a bonafide and sanctioned ( I will not say from what sanctioning organization but they have been around since 1904 and register... AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIERS ONLY ) 
 
But 1 of the rules is that you have to give your dog to a total stranger when you reach the destination so they can give it a bath in case you have put poison/drugs on your dogs coat so when the opponent bites it gets drugged/poisoned... thus losing... Then you have to supply a towel to the opposing side so they can dry their dog with your supplied towel.. they do the same for you.. 
 
There are over 70 rules to a sanctioned match. 
 
But anyone that think a Bobcat has even a remote chance against a PB has no clue.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:06 AM by 1971stratocaster
What are you talking about? Not this again. Pound for Pound, a cat is stronger, faster. A 50lb dog against a 50lb cat. Look it up on the internet if you think this is false. The only reason the cat may not fight, and run, is that the cat thinks the dog is stupid. You are talking about a Pit bull terrier. That is something you purchase at a Pet Shop. It's a domesticated Pet, against a wild animal. Please think clearly.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 14, 2013 7:52 AM by docwyatt
@docwyatt. I'm sorry if I brought this up again. Me reading this and it's about 6 months ago. I use to be on this site until we didn't have access to internet. Sorry that I came by late and not trying to start anything. But the brother Vince tells us about how gamedogs get pitted against a cougar, maybe the cougar isn't use to or you know not trying 100% of its abilities. And okay pitbulls have maybe 10 or less percentage against a cougar. I didn't mean that if a pit bit a cougar on the throat it won't kill it. It would!!! But the cat isn't that stupid to let a dog get a hold on the throat. We all have diff opinions so some of us is going to agree and some of us is going to oppose. And again sorry fellas for bringing this debate back up. It's fun talking about it lol. Vince if the cat is protecting something then the dog is a goner sorry.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:22 PM by JAYCEE HANGKID
Yeah a super train dog who's train by dumb human beings would be super badass. But a loving dog would not win and you gotta remember that wild animals don't have training but other people to be super bad. Their condition is different so Idk if they can be trained or not. I'm not an animal expert. I am animals best friend. I will never stimulate any animal in the pit because that is wrong for animals rights. I love animals and I'm a nature person. Everyday I go outside just to see wildlife because that's how crazy I am about the outdoor world. One more time, a pitbull wasn't born to be mean. They was taught in to doing it.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:31 PM by JAYCEE HANGKID
@ JAYCEE HANGKID. I understand you and you are a smart person. I hate to get this debate going again too. Bobcats weight range is (14 to 40 lb),40 lbs the biggest.---This is from Bobcat - Wikipedia on the net. Like I said before, We will use the biggest cat at 40 lbs. Now, to make it fair, the pit bull must be 40 lbs.....Lets be fair weight.Now I know the Bobcat will run, But if cornered in say, a garage area, And the pit has cornered him. What do you think the out come will be? Even if the pit is a fighter, bred fighter,The cats claws are very deadly. The cat at equal weight , I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt, That dog will not see very long. Not even biting yet. The dog will go blind first, no eyesight, then the cat may jump over the pit to get away. You have a blind for life pit bull now. Who really won? I think the cat is a bit sneaky, to pull that.The dog actually lost, because he is now blind, and the vet cannot repair the eyes. Claws... I give my opinion because I have seen it happen.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:24 PM by docwyatt
To docwyatt. I know bobcat have claws but the thing is that Idk if they can penetrate deep enough to kill the dog instantly like a cougar would. Becuz the bobcat paw isn't big enough compare to an Eurasian lynx. I noe the fact that the dog will dog couple days later either he's blind like u say or from rabies. Same size but dogs have that extra skin to protect them and ther more bulkier than cats are. But I'm pretty sure it has claw to spill out the pits belly but idk about the killing part. A cougar is a def win we should know by now.
Posted @ Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:37 AM by JAYCEE HANGKID
The bobcat's claws won't penetrate deep enough to kill quickly but they hold on...and allow the cat to get to the throat regardless of what the dog does. At the same time the rear legs rake the dog's belly and honorable dog is out of blood. 
Posted @ Sunday, September 01, 2013 12:07 AM by Will
A bobcat would easily win. Most people don't understand what makes a bobcat a bobcat. Let's look at why: 
 
1) A 20 lb bobcat can run down, kill, and eat a 70+ lb deer. If you don't believe me, look it up. That's documented. 
 
2) A bobcat can get up to about 40 lb. 
 
3) Bobcats are sociopathic animals that kill everything, and not just for food. They will kill venomous rattle snakes who aren't fast enough to bite them (and I think they are a little faster and a little better armed than pit bulls), and there are videos of them just leaving other animals to rot. They love killing things. 
 
4) Pit bulls are bred to fight...other pit bulls. this means that fight trained pit bulls charge in and take dominance by going for the neck and clamping down. This doesn't work with an animal that swipes, slashes, and especially JUMPS anywhere and everywhere. An experienced bobcat could jump a pit bull everytime it charged, and it would. They are both instincts of the animals. 
 
5) The bobcat has never had a meal in its life that it didn't kill. It, ultimately, is going to have more experience at fighting to the death than even a fighting dog. Even a Rhodesian Ridgeback, which is a true wild-animal hunting dog for lions, would get beaten in one-on-one fight with a bobcat. Especially a rabid one.  
 
I think a bobcat vs a wolverine would have been more interesting, and much closer. I don't even know how that would turn out.
Posted @ Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:38 PM by Sheepdog
Here in Florida we have bobcats and I have witnessed my girl chloe take one down after she cornered the cat. The pussy got her pretty good but in the end chloe game showed and she shook the thing to death...she wouldn't let go even after it was dead and I was trying her take it from her.
Posted @ Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:35 PM by game bred
I own a bobcat and full grown northwest bobcats get around 60 lbs. however, never underestimate the power of these cats. I have been bitten and it will put some fear in your eyes. They do not let go either. I had to grab by the scruff and just pray. Pit bull however has all the same genetic fighting tools and in my book would win. Bobcats are shy and would try to flee. Bobcats get tired very fast and the  
It bull is bread to survive and fight so it has all the same defense mechanisms that the bobcat has. Owever pit bulls are aggressive and never back down.
Posted @ Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:48 PM by Luck
All of you all,.... are stupid fucks. Pound for Pound a cat will Eat the Dog . I know you won't even go to the next step, a cougar or a tiger. Give me a break, do all you ride the Short bus to school , and are retards? That cat will tear the shit out of the Dog. Wild animal against a Yard dog dumb fucks.
Posted @ Saturday, April 12, 2014 11:23 PM by docwyatt
ANY1 that thinks a bobcat stands a chance against a well bred pit is an uneducated IDIOT on the subject. Pits have been used for BADGER baiting and hunting .for many years. Not only can they but they will dig a badger out of it's hole and KILL it. This isn't even an arguement read a book or see for yourself a bobcat doesn't stand a chance a badger or a pit
Posted @ Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:24 AM by the savage
"The Savage" would be well advised not to use the word uneducated or the word idiot; based upon his diction, sentence structure and syntax one can only assume that he, himself, is in desperate need of education.
Posted @ Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:56 PM by David
You know the crazy dog owners. They ALWAYS promote the dogs.. LOL. I would think the pit would be destroyed in such a fight. oh and BAN Pits while we are at it..
Posted @ Monday, June 09, 2014 1:12 AM by dave
http://www.myfoxaustin.com/story/24811128/round-rock-resident-believes-bobcat-attacked-pitbull 
 
Here is a real life pitbull vs bobcat fight and the pitbull gets schooled, cats are the superior hunter in every respect. For example a 130lbs cougar can easily kill prey 3x's its size as with most feline species.
Posted @ Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:31 PM by ProofInThePudding
Yes, ProofinThePuddin, it is amazing how folks want to believe that a yard dog could overtake a bobcat, a wild animal. They listen to stupid dogfighters praise the power of pits, but the truth is one on one, a healthywild bobcat can eeasily defeat any dog. Thank you for the video. Two pits and their owner with a pick axe and the cat still won.
Posted @ Friday, July 04, 2014 9:40 AM by David
First off some freakin house cats whip up on Pit Bulls. Second your pictured pit is about 50 pounds at best, that's about the Bob Cats weight. The cats arms are too strong and can man handle the dog by pushing him wherever he wants to. It's likely 99% bobcat to 1% dog, get real people my 50 pound Chow took down an 80 pound Pit in half a second and if I didn't have the adrenaline rush to yank him off my chow had his mouth on the Pits neck and the Pits eyes were rolling in circles like he was bewildered.
Posted @ Monday, July 14, 2014 2:04 PM by Darren
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