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Grizzly Bear vs Mountain Gorilla

  
  
  

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This is a good one.

Almost as hot a debate as Tiger vs Lion is the rivalry that is gorilla vs bear. These are two awesome beasts that can get really pissed off. The result of this battle will be a bloody mess.

The bear is a fierce and relentless monster. Bears love to kill and nothing would please it more than to be the victor of this battle.Grizzly attack

Gorillas are nasty, intelligent warriors who of course have an opposable thumb. It is a proud animal that will not go down easily.

I think the Bear attacks first. The Bear attack would consist of a charge and a steady barrage of clawed slaps to the Gorilla's face. The Gorilla, with its long arms and opposable thumbs would be able to halt this first attack and escape with minor flesh wounds. The Gorilla would try to use its speed to get around the Bear and avoid its blows but would have trouble doing so. In a feeble last attempt, to kill the Grizzly the Gorilla tries throwing bananas at it. This does not stop the Bear's fatal charge as it pins the Gorilla and bites its jugular, spraying its blood everywhere.

 

 

Comments

Gorilla has 1220 lbs/inch of bite strength. How can a grizzly over come that?
Posted @ Friday, December 12, 2008 3:21 AM by Doug
Insightful commentary, Al. I love the time and effort you must have invested just thinking about this. Wonderful, wonderful stuff. 
 
 
 
Also, I am working with Doug to create a solid headline for your Web site. More to come...
Posted @ Friday, December 12, 2008 10:35 AM by Justin
Doug, I doubt that the Gorilla would be able to get inside on the Bear to use its bite force. Watch the video. 
 
 
 
Juice, thanks for the high praise. Write your own blog.  
 
Posted @ Friday, December 12, 2008 11:54 AM by Al Thomason
The grizzley is bigger stronger and has claws, cmon now. Back in the 13th century, they used to put bears in a ring with other animals, get em both real pissed off by hitting them in teh face with sticks and stuff, then unleashing the beasts on each other. Grizzley vs bull was a joke, so they brought in lions from Africa and again the grizzley dominated. If it wasn't even close between a bull or lion, why would a gorilla be a challenge? Grizzleys are mean bastards, wouldn't even be close. 
 
 
 
The gorilla would be on teh defensive the whole time trying to stay away from the bear, climbing trees and slinging feces. But the bear is cool, he'll wait for that big dumb Ape to come down from the tree, he just woke up from a 4 month slumber and is starving. He's gonna go at that gorilla, forget about it. Grizzly would destroy a gorilla, as well as a tiger, hippo, and north american buffalo. 
 
 
 
opposable thumbs, haha
Posted @ Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:59 AM by Clemenza
You can't forget that a Gorilla has extra extra strong bones that can protect against many attacks and bites from the bear.  
 
 
 
I think that the Bear is certainly bigger and meaner, however the Gorilla isS smarter and has an opposable thumb. I like the Gorilla's strength and ability to get away from clawing. It's too hard to take down an 8 foot 800 pound monster though...i don't care how strong you are. If the Bear can catch the Gorilla, the Bear would win in a not so competative match. 
 
 
 
Good game.
Posted @ Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:46 PM by Scott Fovel
About strength... 
Look at the pictures provided. 
Whose shoulders are bigger? 
Who has thicker arms? 
The bear wins in both of those categories, and these are the acclaimed advantages of the gorilla. 
The ape has to be bigger by a good margin before it can hope to win.
Posted @ Monday, January 12, 2009 7:41 PM by Ursus arctos
i think it could go either way.Both are intensely strong, proud animals, that would fight as hard as they could.While the bear does hold the size advantage, the gorilla is still quite strong and is more intelligent.Plus,I think you were just trying to amuse people, because that whole line about the gorilla throwing bananas was just retarded.The gorilla would probably be able to dodge the bears charges at first, and would be able to get in some pretty strong hits on the bear.I do not think the gorillas bite strength would come into play seeing as how the bear would just get even more pissed off.The thing that makes me think the gorilla could win is it's intelligence. The gorilla could probably pick up on the bears strategy and plan his own strategy.That coupled with his bone-crushing strength would give him fair play.The bear would probably win if he caught the gorilla off guard.
Posted @ Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:10 PM by Darkness
grizzly would murder a gorilla brown bears are like the 3rd strogest creatures.
Posted @ Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:29 AM by anand
I mean the 3rd strongest land creatures
Posted @ Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:33 AM by anand
on Earth
Posted @ Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:35 AM by anand
There bear wins done.
Posted @ Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:13 PM by anand
gorrilas would tare bears to shredss
Posted @ Friday, February 20, 2009 3:14 PM by jose
Wow, a lot of these fights are really one-sided. The gorilla loses 9 out of ten times unless it can choke the bear, but I think the bear is just too strong and big even for a gorilla. Some bears can be timid, and the gorilla may be ferocious enough to scare one away, but I doubt it.
Posted @ Monday, March 16, 2009 9:55 AM by Dude
You think a tiger would beat a silver back gorilla?? Do you realize the gorilla has stronger limbs, stronger bite force, higher intelligence, and thumbs?
Posted @ Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:50 PM by Dare
Grizzly bear would KILL a gorilla. Gorillas are strong, but Grizzlys are far stronger, and esily as fast as the ape.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:26 AM by psasse
This is an interesting fight. 
I think grizzly would win, but Gorilla would NOT try to kill bear by throwing bananas!!!
Posted @ Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:50 PM by Bobcat
King Kong beat a 400' tall GODZILLA... I think an 8' teddy bear would be somewhat unevenful...
Posted @ Tuesday, March 31, 2009 6:10 PM by Darius
"eventfull"
Posted @ Tuesday, March 31, 2009 6:11 PM by Darius
Unfortunately, a mountain gorilla is not the same as King Kong.
Posted @ Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:23 PM by Bobcat
It's untrue that bears anger as easily as gorillas. The stereotypes of someone going berserk like a gorilla, while another is strong as a bear, exist for a reason. The bear is stronger, even if his bite and body morphology are less suited for jumping and dodging as the gorilla. However, brown bears have been filmed backing down from fights when female cougars swiped at their face when their cubs were threatened. Black bears, for their part, have been seen running away from domestic house cats when they descend on human settlements. The bear is very powerful, and resistant to damage, but does not anger as easily as a gorilla, and often does flee from fights if he believes he's going to take serious damage. The gorilla's best shot would be to stand his grown and deliver blows to the bear's face, not to jump in a tree or run away.
Posted @ Friday, April 10, 2009 5:27 PM by Dub
True. The bear is stronger, but its too lazy, and too cowardly to actually win. Which is similar to the Florida Panther, once a Florida panther fled letting a pack of hunting dogs, witch it could have killed, kill its kittens.
Posted @ Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:55 AM by Bobcat
Bear is not dat much intelligent as a silverback. silverback is smarter and stronger. it will destroy d bear by giving a batista power bomb hi hi hi. actually i believe that gorilla would win. 
 
Posted @ Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:50 PM by tharidu
They're both real powerful animals, the gorilla would most likely stand his ground and try to scare the bear off, but this is a Grizzly we're talking about folks, he would not back down from an ape! 
 
 
 
The fight will go like this: The gorilla stands and pounds on his chest, roaring. The bear already pissed off by something would let out a growl, and of course he would rear up and growl. The gorilla might attack first, beating the bear with his fists and possibly biting him, leaving serious puncture wounds. But in the end, the bear will lay down a few swats and will bite the shit out of him (Grizzly's bite force is 1800 PSI by the way) and he would straight out embarass that fucking gorilla. You don't mess with a Grizzly Bear!
Posted @ Friday, May 15, 2009 9:03 PM by Kenny
A Gorilla dodging a bear? lol Bears can run up to 35 mph and are fast enough to catch a ground squirrel! This is NOT even a fight but a complete mismatch.Silverback Gorillas are killed by big cats in the gungle all the time.Gorillas are NOT fighters!
Posted @ Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:57 PM by Mike
Seriously this match-up is very unfair. A large male gorilla would probably stand very little chance against a black bear of smaller stature than itself. Even the largest male gorillas are preyed upon by jaguars.
Posted @ Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:51 AM by Wildlife lover
Hold up Mr. Wildlife Lover, Jaguars and Gorillas don't live together, so what you said is not true. And that little statement you made about "Steve Irwin" was extremely fucked up, so, I don't care about you or your opinions, in fact, I hope he haunts you!!
Posted @ Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:30 PM by Kenny
@ Kenny 
 
 
 
I'm sorry, and you're right. I meant Leopards. 
 
 
 
I have made no statement about Steve Irwin, though - you must have me confused with somebody else. 
 
 
 
Anyway - I'm sorry I spread misinformation, and I can only assure you it wasn't intentional.
Posted @ Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:10 AM by Wildlife lover
mountain gorilas can take on anything.grizzlys have been known to bsck down form lil wolverines.lol
Posted @ Sunday, June 21, 2009 2:14 PM by leah
That's alright man, I was just so heated up by some other guy on this website that I lost my nerve, it's nothing personal.
Posted @ Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:24 PM by Kenny
The grizzly would split the 'rilla in two with one blow.
Posted @ Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:29 AM by Gianmario
If both animals were roughly of the same size and weight, I think the bear would win. Dian Fossey wrote a lot about how silverback gorillas fight with other male gorillas and how they attack humans. Older publications by reliable European hunters also describe a few cases of gorilla attacks on African hunters who attempted to kill them with spears or arrows. All these decriptions clearly show that gorillas are simply not "programmed" to kill a big and strong opponent with the same speed and efficiency as a bear or big cat would do. Gorillas do not seek a hold on the opponent's throat or jugular as determinedly and purposefully as a predator. If they bite, they usually bite the opponent's hands or legs. This is actually quite devastating if the victim is a human being, but it does not make the same impact on such a massively built beast as a bear. In contrast, a bear instinctively knows how to twist and break even a bull's neck with its paws. In a bear-gorilla fight, the bear would rain well-aimed blows on the gorilla's head and, if possible, go for a throat hold. Its long claws would inflict serious injuries, without any comparable retaliation from the gorilla. I doubt if the bear could kill the gorilla with a single blow or two, but a prolonged fight would be more advantageous for it than for the gorilla, because the bear would be more able to inflict wounds (not only by its teeth but also by its claws), its fur would probably give it more protection, and it would attack its opponent's most vulnerable points in a more purposeful and systematic way. The gorilla would definitely fight back as best as it could, but I doubt if it would be able to inflict a mortal injury on the bear early enough to win the fight before it is overcome by the blood loss caused by the bear's bites and claws. Gorillas are not able to survive serious injuries as easily as bears. 
 
 
 
Two facts should be kept in mind so as not to overrate the gorilla: 
 
 
 
First, in the extensive literature on big-game hunting in Africa, there is not a single (!!) documented case of a gorilla killing a European hunter who was armed with a modern rifle. In contrast, there were many cases of grizzlies and other bears killing hunters. 
 
 
 
Second, hunters invariably wrote that a single well-aimed shot was usually enough to kill, or at least deter, an attacking silverback. In contrast, bears, as many hunters starting with Lewis and Clark discovered, were able, and willing, to continue fighting even after they suffered very serious gunshot wounds.  
 
 
 
Posted @ Friday, July 17, 2009 1:44 PM by Balazs
Balazs, are you Hungarian-just wondering, but yoiu make your points well and very true-i concur on all points. Bears have 4 in long claws and they always go for the head and face of victims if you watch animal attacks on humans at all in the news or animal planet. Bears can outmuscle any other predator(even though a gorrila is no predator)and is more than twice the size of an adult silverback gorrila. Nothing can stop an enraged grizzly-even hunters who've shot them while being charged by a grizzly have been mauled to death after the shot hit the bear. Bear wins paws down!!
Posted @ Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:05 PM by Attila
Thanks for your kind comments! I completely agree with that a big bear is one of the toughest game to shoot, particularly if it suddenly attacks the hunter in a dense bush. You may be interested in Gordon Young's "Tracks of an Intruder," in which the author describes how he tracked an old, mean and cunning Himalayan black bear in the Thai jungle and how he managed to shoot it. He shows how smart a bear is, covering its tracks or laying in ambush if it suspects that someone is following it. Bears are also smart in avoiding traps. In contrast, hunters who tracked gorillas did not mention any particular tricks used by the apes, and unfortunately it is quite easy to catch a gorilla by a snare made of wire (as African poachers do). 
 
 
 
On the other hand, Siberian hunters say that the most formidable animal in the taiga is not the bear, not even the tiger, but a big boar. It is extremely aggressive, and even bears think twice before attack a full-grown boar. Thanks to their massively built body, thick hide, and thick layers of fat, boars can survive the injuries caused by the bear's bites and claws even better than another bear, whereas their tusk inflict longer and deeper slashes than the bear's canines and claws. 
 
 
 
PS: Yes, I am Hungarian, just like you:)
Posted @ Friday, July 24, 2009 9:43 AM by Balazs
Hi Balazs! I'm actually Norwegian, my ma just loved the name, however, my wife is 100% Hungarian, and i have only met one other Attila-he is singer in a Black Metal band called Mayhem-i also met a Balazs working with him on tour! 
 
Thats cool information-I have seen a youtube video of a warthog or wild boar killing a lion-they're certainly no pushovers! Although a bear could killl one, they wouldn't risk it as it wouldn't be worth it unless starving-all predators make this choice-they have to hunt again and don't want to risk injury-you're right. Fighting over mates is the one difference where they will not hold back so much.
Posted @ Friday, July 24, 2009 5:53 PM by Attila
Thanks a lot! As for gorillas: let me try to copypaste some info about gorilla attacks in the former Spanish colony of Rio Muni (now called Equatorial Guinea): 
 
 
 
In the course of the last 10 years, I have collected records of all proven cases of attacks 
 
against humans in the precinct of Rio Muni. Where possible, reports were checked against 
 
hospital records. These attacks are detailed below. 
 
Group Nkin: Two cases of attacks on humans are on record from this group that lives in the region of Mount Nkin. Both involved gorillas that were feeding on native plantations. 
 
One was known to be an adult female without offspring. The wounds consisted of bites and large lacerations on the legs and back of the victim caused by the fingernails of the gorilla. 
 
Group Mbia-Campo: This group lives between the Mbia and Campo rivers in the northwest corner of Rio Muni. A gravely wounded male of this group also bit the intruder, a 
 
hunter, in the legs. 
 
Group Mobumuom-Monte Mitra: Two attacks were also recorded for this group whichis distributed over the largest area of all the groups. The first occurred in the forest of Sindon and the second in the forest of Churu, both localities lying at the foot of Mount Mitra. These cases are very similar to those described above. The wounds occurred on the buttocks and ankles. One of the wounded persons, from Sinden, remained disabled in one leg despite expert medical attention. 
 
Forest of Mikomeseng: A hunter named Pedro Beyeme fought a large solitary male that was marauding near the native settlement. The wounded animal attacked the hunter vigorously, and caused severe injuries with his hands, completely ripping the buttocks and the ankles of both legs.  
 
The last case occurred recently in the forest of Mosumu (Group Mobumuom-Monte Mitra). On 26 January 1964, the natives Manuel Nsuie and Jesus Abeso, both of Mabeuolo (Niafang) departed from Mosumu early in the morning, crossed the Benito river in a dugout canoe, and entered the large forest, known by the name of Mobumuom-Monte Mitra, for the purpose of hunting monkeys and small forest antelopes. 
 
Manuel carried only a machete and Jesus an old single-barreled 12-gauge shotgun with a few cartridges of No. 3 shot and only one cartridge with a ball. About 3 PM they were starting to return and Manuel Nsue went on ahead to prepare the canoe. At a sharp turn in the forest, he suddenly encountered at a short distance a family of gorillas composed of four individuals (one adult male, two females and a small juvenile) 
 
seated, silently eating the fruit of the "Afrafmomum" shrub. They were surprised and very 
 
frightened at the sudden appearance of the man. Manuel, amazed by the proximity of the 
 
group (3-4 m) attempted a prudent retreat, facing the animals (it is a very strong belief among the natives that the gorillas will not attack if one always keeps his face toward them), but it availed him nothing. The dominant male, recovering from the fright, gave 
 
a loud shout and charged furiously, knocking Manuel down and biting him in the legs. 
 
The victim fell face down, losing his machete. The enraged animal pressed its attack on Manuel's hands who used them to ward off the animal's blows. Jesus, who was left behind, came to the rescue when he heard the shouts of Manuel and the gorilla, and shot the 
 
animal with the ball cartridge he had saved. The gorilla attempted another charge but fell mortally wounded at the feet of Jesus. Manuel Nsue came out of the encounter with various fingers on both hands amputated and with a deep wound in the leg. 
 
(Source: Gorilla Attacks against Humans in Rio Muni, West Africa. 
 
Author(s): Jorge Sabater Pi. In: Journal of Mammalogy, Vol. 47, No. 1 (Feb., 1966), pp. 123-124.) 
 
 
 
I guess many people who were attacked by bears would have been quite happy if the bear had bitten them only in the legs or the ass...:))
Posted @ Tuesday, July 28, 2009 12:31 PM by Balazs
id have to say that both would probuly die from the injuries. i think they would both give up and they both die from injuries later on. 
but who knows what could happen in the wild. anything. a peinguin can kill a tiger for all we know. like i said.....anything can happen in the wild.........
Posted @ Monday, August 10, 2009 2:53 PM by Savannah the Animal Expert
hi:)
Posted @ Monday, August 10, 2009 2:54 PM by Haily
Yep, even a small penguin can kill a tiger if the latter tries to swallow it whole and chokes on it... 
 
 
 
More seriously, I am not sure whether the bear would die of the resulting injuries unless its wounds become infected. In contrast, the gorilla's chest is not covered by thick fur, and thus the canines and claws of the bear would probably cause massive blood loss. BTW, the bites of big cats and other carnivores are much more likely to lead to blood poisoning that the bites of bears or gorillas.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:29 PM by Balazs
Come On!! The more I go down the list, the more worthless the fights are! 
 
 
 
a gorilla against what seems to be a Kodiak Bear? Are you kidding? 
 
 
 
The gorilla, even if he felt brave, wouldn't fuck with no bear that big!! 
 
 
 
I'd bet 600 Million dollars on the bear.
Posted @ Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:42 AM by Frankie
In the hypothetical fight I suggested, the two animals were of roughly the same size and weight; otherwise, it is pointless to make comparisons. A big ostrich can kill a lion cub as easily as a male lion would kill an ostrich chick.:)
Posted @ Monday, August 17, 2009 4:41 AM by Balazs
You all need to spend less time analyzing animal behavior, and spend more time with tutorials on proper spelling. The spelling from many of you in this thread is atrocious!
Posted @ Monday, August 31, 2009 2:13 PM by Tom
I think the gorilla would kill a grizzly bear.Look at how strong a gorilla is.It would pick it up and just crush it.The gorilla can break the bears jaws.Plus a gorilla fights like a human when hitting.It would basically destroy the bear.The gorilla is smarter and would be carefull for the bears claws.the end.
Posted @ Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:03 PM by dayton garrett
GRIZZLY cf course! Bears are the strongest and move boulders and automobiles with ease. Plus they are more ferocious and willing to do battle than a gorilla. The Grizzly could swipe the gorrilla and break bones besides rake its belly open from the side. A bear would just maul it-hell, leopards kill gorillas!
Posted @ Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:16 PM by ATTILA
<<Plus a gorilla fights like a human when hitting.>> 
 
No, they usually bite, rather than hit their opponent. And in biting, the bear is as good as the gorilla.
Posted @ Monday, September 14, 2009 9:48 PM by Balazs
I saw a few references to adult gorillas killed (or eaten) by leopards, but little or no hard evidence of a serious fight. After all, pieces of gorilla hair or bones in leopard scat may sometimes indicate only that the leopard found a dead gorilla and ate it. I think a leopard would try to catch a young gorilla by a surprise attack, rather than to pick up an open fight with a silverback.
Posted @ Monday, September 14, 2009 9:55 PM by Balazs
This has to be the dumbest website I have ever seen. You have no clue what you are talking about. 
 
 
 
Incredible!
Posted @ Saturday, September 26, 2009 3:25 PM by joe smith
YOU are all a bunch of morons! Get a life people and grow up. 
 
 
 
I have an idea...why don't you idiots go out and fight?!
Posted @ Saturday, September 26, 2009 3:28 PM by Ed Dodo
Ahhh... it seems that some gorillas feel insulted, and now they are complaining.:))
Posted @ Monday, September 28, 2009 10:41 PM by Balazs
Yes, it would certainly seem so, Balazs.
Posted @ Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:15 AM by ATTILA
A tiger would have purred with delight instead.:)
Posted @ Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:07 AM by Balazs
Grizzly's know how to take care of complaining gorrila's,haha!
Posted @ Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:36 PM by ATTILA
Come on people! Does anyone realize how strong bears are? Gorillas can life up sedans, however, that's because of their build. Bears are stronger than gorillas, pound for pound. A giant panda (now considered a "true bear" can kill a gorilla of similar size. Has anyone seen the video of the panda that took off the Chinese man’s jacket at the zoo and it required 5- 7 people to pull it and still, the panda won the tug of war, without even having opposable thumbs. It's been proven that a Kodiak bear's paws are so strong; they can literally knock the head off of a human and crush the skull of a moose. Kodiak bears can average 1000 pounds and get around 9-10 feet tall. A silverback gorilla male is half that size. Bears are considered one of the strongest land mammals, pound for pound, even out topping felines. People really misjudge the power of bears. They think of them as fat sacks of fur, but their body mass is made up of 50-55% muscle. Brown bears have a bite force of 1200 PSI and gorillas have one of 1300PSI, however, a bear's skull is usually larger than a gorilla’s and can deliver more force. Gorillas are strong; however, bears are stronger, pound for pound. They just aren't built for lifting. They’re built for pushing objects like boulders to find grubs and other small animals as a secondary food source. There have been studies done that showed a bear cub managed to move a 70kg with little effort, while an adult man struggled to do so.
Posted @ Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:58 PM by MrAlien
Thanks MrAlien. I agree with most of your comments except the one on the chances of a panda to kill a gorilla and the one about a bear's capability of knocking off a human head. I think no land animal, but possibly not even a blue whale, is able to knock off a human head with the mere force of a single blow, since a blow that is strong enough to break and sever all the bones and muscles in one's neck is surely strong enough to knock the victim off his feet. That is, the guy would be sent flying long before his skull said goodbye his spinal column. A blunt object is not sufficient to achieve such a result; one needs a sharp instrument for that.
Posted @ Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:30 AM by Balazs
I'm osrry, I meant to say. "There have been studies done that showed a bear cub managed to move a 70kg **BOULDER** with little effort, while an adult man struggled to do so.
Posted @ Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:53 AM by MrAlien
Alright, I guess you're right about the "knocking off the head part". :P However, pandas are built like many other bears. Despite their vegetarian diet, they still have sharp canines and extremely sharp claws. They usually average about the size of a male gorilla (pandas weigh less, though). Pandas require extremely strong jaws to grind bamboo apart. That shows that they can use them as a defense mechanism. They also require upper- body strength, considering that they are partially arboreal animals and have sharp claws to help them climb.
Posted @ Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:29 AM by MrAlien
The maximum weight of a male giant panda is about 150 kilogram, which is comparable to a male gorilla. As far as I know, pandas have very strong molar teeth (for grinding bamboo, as you said), but their canines may not be very conspicuous, because they are neither predators nor animals which have frequent and intense territorial fights. What I found about their behavior indicates that they are not as much "professional" fighters as other bears: 
Giant pandas signify aggression by lowering their heads and staring at their opponents. The giant panda is a generally a passive animal and not initiate to attack man or other animals. Giant pandas, however can become violent when provoked or surprised. Generally when hearing abnormal sounds the giant panda will escape the area immediately or they will climb the nearest tree. Should they become trapped the giant panda will cover their face with their paws often hiding its eye-patches and curl up. This gesture states that they are scared and/or angry. At close range, aggression is signaled by a swipe with a paw, or by a low-pitched growl or bark that will generally send an opponent (another giant panda) scampering up the nearest tree. 
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060908154308AATAWin
Posted @ Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:03 AM by Balazs
The battle could turn out many different ways. Although the bear CAN'T ( THAT'S CAN'T IT MEANS CAN NOT) kill bison,hippos, or anything like that, it could still a kill tiger and would be a formidable opponent.  
PS: The description is SOOOO wrong. Bananas! Seriously!  
PSS: Clemenza, what the #$@#$@# is up with your animal mind!
Posted @ Sunday, November 01, 2009 5:56 PM by Luke Beall
This is partly wrong, because it was scientifically documented that the grizzlies of Yellowstone Park do attack even adult bisons, though only occasionally.
Posted @ Monday, November 02, 2009 8:40 PM by Balazs
While I defended and argued for the silverback in the tiger fight, I can't do the same in this one. Tigers and grizzlies are two very different opponents for a mountain gorilla. I wouldn't even put my money on a tiger going against a grizzly. So forget it, the gorilla is going to be chopped meat after this fight. I think this is a bit like the GW and the orca. Orca always wins, grizzly always wins. Too much size, too much power, too much force. Everything the gorilla has, the grizzly has him beat in spades.
Posted @ Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:26 PM by Jeremy
a gorilla first of all, is much stronger than a bear. The bear is bigger, but the gorilla actually has more muscle mass. The bear would go in and swipe at the gorilla, and the gorilla would take it down like a wrestler, or just start pounding on it with its massive hands. The tiger, would just have no chance. If it lunged at a gorilla, the gorilla would hit it once and kill it immediately, or at least injure enough to end the fight. all of you people putting comments that say a bear is stronger, learn what your talking about before you say anything. watch the discovery channel or animal planet. A gorilla could beat just about anything smaller than a hippo in a fight
Posted @ Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:54 PM by cmbnig
You are quite a character, cmbnig. Just because a bear isn’t built to lift things doesn't mean it doesn't have more muscle mass. Their total body massive is made up of 55% muscle. A male grizzly, even without it's winter coat can weigh about 600lbs on average. Also, there was a study done that showed a bear cub managed to move a 70kg boulder, which in term, an average human wouldn’t do shit. You don't know much about bears, cmbng......... It's been even DOCUMENTED that one bullet is enough to deter an enraged silverback, but even with a couple of bullets lodged in it, an enraged grizzly would keep charging at the hunter that's firing at the animal. Grizzlies also have a hum of muscle mass on their backs than gives them stronger shoulders. Also, bears have thicker bones than felines, and it could sustain more impact. Also, there have been a few documented cases of leopards killing silverback gorillas, so, why would you think a gorilla could kill a bear that is larger, stronger, has larger claws, and has a stronger bite than a leopard? You are referring to one video, made n Animal Planet, which had CGI graphics. A gorilla would win 55/100 times with a male leopard, but leopards are much smaller than grizzlies, and if the similar sized Siberian brown bear has been known to kill tigers with ease, why can’t it do the same to a gorilla?
Posted @ Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:06 PM by MrAlien123456
mralien, your giving lots of facts on bears, not much on gorillas. its not like the gorilla would destroy the bear. it would be a very close fight and a bear might win around half of the time. but although a bear has incredible strength, a gorilla can strike with a closed fist with more power. it also has thumbs, i would like to see you try and fight without using your thumbs. a gorilla would also possibly pick up a rock and use it as a weapon. they are incredibly intelligent. both would probably die from the injuries. but the gorilla would more likely be in a slightly better condition. and on the topic of tigers. i think we can agree that either GRIZZLY bear, or silverback gorilla would win a fight against a tiger most of the time. they would both be able to just over power it because theyre both bigger and stronger. the bear vs gorilla fight, is debatable. in my opinion, the bears claws and bite wouldnt be enough to beat a gorillas thumbs and possible improvization of weapons. sure, a bear could take a bullet better than a gorilla, but theyre not fighting with guns.
Posted @ Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:21 PM by cmbnig
Not once has a gorilla ever been documented to use weapons in combat. You're getting mixed-up with chimpanzees and gorillas. Chimpanzees have been known to use spears, while gorillas cannot. Also, a bear is faster than gorilla, which is apt to reach speeds of 35 mph. The bones are also stronger and thicker than those of a gorilla. They can easily take a few swipes from the gorilla. Also, if a leopard could kill a gorilla, then why shouldn't a tiger or lion be allowed to? Both cats have the ability to shatter the ribcage of the average man in a single swipe, and a bear would do that even easier. Also, gorillas are docile, and the bear would usually always be the aggressor. And again, just because the gorilla can lift objects, doesn’t mean it's stronger. There have been no documented cases of neither captive, nor wild gorillas using weapons or tools. You are thinking of what is portrayed in the movie King Kong. All three movies of the original King Kong were total BS. There is no possible way a gorilla could kill a T. rex of similar size. This is because, first of all, Tyrannosaurus would have much thicker bones than Kong, even at similar size, their skull was extremely durable, and so it is very unlikely, even a gorilla such as Kong could smash it, and last but not least, they made it like the rex's bites only gave little teeth marks, which really, one bite is enough to cripple Kong, so he cannot even use his arm properly anymore in combat. Also, I know how Kong uses logs as weapons, which doesn't apply to actual gorillas, at all.
Posted @ Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:44 PM by MrAlien123456
Cmbnig, I appreciate your sentiment for the silverback, but the gorilla would be in way over his head against a behemoth like a grizzly or kodiak bear. The sheer arm strenth of the grizzly with its enormous claws would be way too much for the silverback, even with its own tree trunk arms. You're also forgetting that the grizzly can lift its tremendous body on its hind legs and literally overpower the gorilla. Look, I love gorillas too, and I give them a much better shot against a tiger. But, the only land animals in the world that can take down a giant grizzly would either be an african savannah elephant or another bear of equal size.
Posted @ Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:38 PM by Jeremy
look. we're all entitled to our own opinions. i dont know why the hell you brought up king kong, that was just stupid. a bear being able to run fast is also irrelevant. and for the weapons. i didnt say spears. picking up a rock, is pretty simple, and i would bet my life that plenty of gorillas have done that before. so dont tell me what im getting confused with. and as for you jeremy, youre a good guy, you put in your opinion respectfully, i would like to shake your hand. but im pretty sure any kind of elephant, or a hippo or rhino would probably beat a bear in a fight too. haha. gorilla again, is debatable. but those three giants, the hippo rhino and elephant. i dont think a bear would even be able to hurt them
Posted @ Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:33 PM by cmbnig
Chimpanzees, elephants and crows are the only living animals, besides humans, to use tools as weapons, for hunting or defense. No gorilla has ever been known to use weapons of any kind. They have been known to use branches to measure water depth, but have NEVER used any other weapons besides their own natural armory.
Posted @ Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:43 PM by MrAlien123456
hey dumbass. have you witnessed the life of every gorilla ever in existence? no you havent. if a crow is smart enough to do it, im sure plenty of gorillas have done it in the past. just because they havent been documented doesnt mean it hasnt happened. now this is the last time im gonna leave a comment here. you believe a bears strenght, size, and claws will be able to best a gorillas strenght, thumbs and intelligence. i understand why, and i respect your opinion. i think just the opposite. my opinion is that a gorillas strength and especially its thumbs and ability to grab the bears arms, and the possibility of improvisation, would overcome the bears immense size. but neither of us are experts, and neither of us have witnessed a bear and a gorilla fighting. so all we have are opinions. and by the way, im pretty confident that elephants dont normally use tools as weapons, since they can kill just about anything without any trouble whatsoever.... i would love to watch a bear and a gorilla fight, and i wouldnt be surprised at which ever one wins, but if one did win, thats a single test that doesnt prove much. But since this fight will probably never happen, we will probably never know, we can only state our opinions. Elephant rules all land animals 
 
Blue whale rules the ocean, although it doesnt kill very many things, so maybe the sperm whale... 
 
Human rules the entire planet. 
 
Some other alien race most likely rules the universe 
 
Fuck gorillas, fuck tigers, and fuck bears, and fuck you MrAlien. You sound like a total douchebag with no friends. Jeremy on the other hand, that guy stated his opinion, and was respectful, without trying to show off his knowledge with these bullshit numbers that he pulled out of his ass. and by the way, you have no idea whether or not a t-rex sized gorilla would win in the fight or not. yeah the dinosaurs skull is incredibly hard, sure it probably wouldnt have been like it was in that movie. but maybe the t-rex wasnt that great of a fighter, it was in fact a scavenger, and it only needed to be able to kill smaller animals. something its size could have very well killed it in a fight, maybe a gorilla. So dont pretend like you know exactly how these things work. You really have to look at it with more of an ignorant mind, because you are ignorant, and so am i. we've never seen bears fight gorillas. or tigers fight gorillas. or t-rexs fight giant gorillas. and that is really the only way to find out who would win in a fight, by actually watching the fight. So until you watch a bear maul a gorilla, and overpower it with its incredible strength, and cut it open with its huge claws, dont pretend like you know who would win. just say who you THINK would win, and why. and hey, if you do see a bear kick a gorillas ass and walk away unharmed, find a way to contact me, and i'll admit that i was wrong. but until then. Shut the fuck up
Posted @ Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:38 PM by cmbnig
Actually, cmbnig, blue whales nor sperm whales rule the ocean. Killer whales, also known as orcas, do. They have been documented to kill blue whales and sperm whales in pods (as food sources). And crows are very intelligent individuals. You can't just say that just because they're birds, they don't carry a better knowledge of tools than gorillas do. Gorillas may be smarter than crows, but they may not have the ability to understand tools. Chimps are more intelligent than gorillas, yet gorillas could understand sign language, which chimpanzees have a couple of disabilities understanding. The domestic dog is the ONLY animal, besides us, to understand the jesters of your arm (pointing to something or somewhere), and yet, they aren’t as smart as chimpanzees I read a recent article that showed how dogs did much better than chimpanzees in a “pointing” test. Domestic dogs seem to understand the ways of the human language, as they have evolved with us, for over the past 17,000 years.  
 
And nice language you’re throwing out at me; it makes me chuckle…... You seem like an ill tempered little child. I have never shredded one speck of profanity at you. You seem to have quite a bit of childhood Tourettes, if you get angered that easily and start spewing out profanity........ 
 
 
 
And also, about Tyrannosaurus, despite it not being a very fast runner, it still had the killing capacity to deal with the slower (and stronger) moving herbivores of its era. An animal with such thick bones, a powerful skull, and a bite force ranging from 15,000-30,000 PSI……. That would easily shatter the shoulder of Kong, as you could clearly see how many times he gets bitten……… Also, there have been quite a few documented cases of the MUCH smaller leopard, killing a male silverback. Strength is not the only thing big cats posses, but also agility, however, I still think one hit from a silverback gorilla can kill the leopard, or cripple it very seriously, to force it to drop out of the fight. And BTW, gorillas are fairly docile animals, and a male silverback would rather move his whole troop, than fight an aggressive animal. They only fight when they have to. And you said speed doesn’t count in this battle? Let’s picture this…… A 600 lb grizzly bear is barreling towards a silverback gorilla, while the ape is going at his maximum speed. Who would be knocked back further? Also, gorillas have never been recorded to bite the neck of the animal they attack. They only bite the limbs, face and genitalia of their opposing adversaries. The same goes for the two chimpanzee species and the orangutan. However, chimpanzees are the most aggressive great ape around, and will charge at someone who challenges them to a battle, unlike the gorilla, who would rather retreat than fight.  
 
Posted @ Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:59 PM by MrAlien123456
come on this is unfair 
 
500lbs vs 800 lbs?wtf? 
and gorilla's intelligence can only be of value if u give him a sword or something. 
 
gorila vs black bear would be more interesting
Posted @ Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:47 PM by vag
Remember though, vag, gorillas don't have the concept in their mind to be able to use weapons. Even against a male gorilla, I still think the bear would win 6/10xs. The bear still has more muscle mass (about 50-55% of their total body weight), and they have even been recorded to kill the 14-16ft long male alligators that lurk in the Everglades. Although, it’s still possible for the silverback to prevail; however, the black bear would still win most of the time. Remember, bears run faster than gorillas. A bear of similar weight barreling towards a slower gorilla will stun the ape more than the ape will stun the bear.
Posted @ Friday, December 04, 2009 2:22 AM by MrAlien123456
Grizzly would Destroy the gorilla, not only are they stronger, but are killers-their name says it all-"Ursus Horribilis". Its a tank of the animal world, and its right here on our own continent!
Posted @ Friday, December 04, 2009 8:47 AM by ATTILA
I give the advantage and edge to the gorilla.Grizzly bears can be extremely dangerous.However only the Alaskan male Grizzlies grow to be about 1,ooo lbs.,or more.Females and American grizzlies grow to be about the same size as a gorilla.Gorillas have the strength and power of 20 men and can lift 2 tons.Once it gets a grip on any body part of the Grizzly, it has the super-strength to dismember and rip off the Grizzlies eyes,face,arms or legs.Also,unlike chimps, the Gorilla confidently walks on the ground of the jungle because other animals know better than to attack it, they have no known enemies,occaisonally a leopard will kill a small sick weak young gorilla but they would never attack a healthy adult gorilla,it would be suicide. A Grizzly bear does have enemies,the gray wolf will get in a pack,and stand their ground,they are not afraid of the Grizzly and a lone cougar is not afraid of the Grizzly, it too will stand its ground,even a small wolverine will agressively harass a Grizzly.
Posted @ Friday, December 04, 2009 8:57 PM by SLIDER
The Grizzly is way stronger than a gorilla and could tear its arm off-Grizzly's efortlessly move huge boulders-cougars DO avoid and are fearfull of Grizzlys and give them a wide berth-Wolveriines are ballsey and would stand up to an elephant-that takes nothing away from the Grizzly. Also, Grizzlys have been documented in strolling in and taking kills from wolves who respect the great bear.
Posted @ Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:39 PM by ATTILA
Look at what that chimp that went berserk did to that poor woman awhile back,the chimp ripped off her face, fingers anything it could get it`s hands on and it began to eat her alive.A gorilla is much stronger than a chimp, they don`t punch they will rip and tear a animal or human apart limb by limb. Plus, most of the power of a gorilla is in its massive arms and upper body. A Grizzlie`s power is in its lower body, once that gorilla gets a good hold on any limb of the Grizzlie it will rip it off.
Posted @ Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:49 AM by ANNA
A Grizzly's strength is in its shoulders, arms and chest-their shoulder hump is all muscle and its what they use to effortlessly flip boulders that would stymey even a gorilla. Yes, a Grizzly has extremely powerfull lower limbs, but it uses its stronger-than-gorilla strength for moving logs, boulders, and digging, and they are known to wrestle when fighting-their superior power in addition to their fierceness and exroadinary weight advantage gives it a clear and desicive win over the weaker, smaller and placid gorilla which avoids conflicts and is even taken apart by leopards.
Posted @ Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:38 AM by ATTILA
A Grizzly bear is not stronger than a gorilla.In 2006 , a Montana State University professor,tested the Grizzly bear`s strength for a National Geographic documentary.After two days of testing and assembling data into a computer model,the conclusion was that a Grizzly bear is equal to 5 humans in strength.But a gorilla has astonishing power it is equal to 20 humans in strength,which is why they do not allow a Gorilla to wrestle humans the way they do with Grizzlies,a Grizzly can lift a 700 lb.dumpster with ease,but a Gorilla can lift 2 tons with ease.Anyone can e-mail the professor and he will verify these results.
Posted @ Sunday, December 06, 2009 3:30 PM by SLIDER
What!?? Do you honestly believe a Grizzly is only as strong as yourself and 4 other people?! Alsready there is proof to debunk that farse-a bear cub(Grizzly) flipped a huge rock over that 7 men couldn't budge-that was only a cub! Grizzly is FAR more powerful than a gorilla and is the very symbol accross the world of strength-bears wrestle people because they can be "trained" to take it easy on people, but even then, people have gotten hurt, like Doug who owned Bart the Bear, a 1,600 lb Grizzly who was a star in "The Edge", "The Bear" and other movies. Grizzlys can and have lifted with ease far more weight than that-they have carried moose carcasses up mountains, do you know how heavy a moose is? Their upper body is tremendously powerful and they are far stronger than the smaller, weaker gorilla.  
 
Here is REAL information on gorilla strength-they are about 2x stronger than a powerlifter.  
 
Creation versus Evolution (http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi? Gorilla's are not 20x stronger than Humans, and are not constantly training within their wild habitats.  
 
There are many aspects involved with lifting strength, and a main part of training involves the muscular memory of you muscles coordinating with one another for the best result.  
 
And comparing arm strength between a human and a gorilla is an apples to oranges scenario. Human's primary strength is lower body and hips, whereas the gorilla is primarily upper-body.  
 
Gorillas are also very ill-equipped for overhead lifting capabilities, the world's strongest man could undoubtedly defeat a Gorilla in a contest of overhead lifting, but that does not make the Gorilla weaker than the human, it's all about how the two species were made, and adapted for.  
 
Humans walk on two legs, meaning our thighs and calves take the force single-handedly, whereas Gorillas walk on both hands and legs, placing part of their pressure on their knuckles.  
 
In terms of combat, a Gorilla would tear apart a human no matter what the scenario was. The bone density of a Gorilla is immense, they can take numerous blows to their thick skulls that would be normally fatal to a humanaction=msg&f=14&t=1376&m=1 and http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1376&m=196) is a discussion forum. LudoRaphaim says that there may have been no study to determine a gorilla’s strength. One book says it is 4-8 times stronger than a man, while the "Animal face off" show says it is 20 times stronger and LudoRaphaim says it is 20 times stronger in its upper body. Nigel Marvin says it is 5 times stronger. "The Most Extreme" on Animal Planet suggested that a gorilla may be eight times as strong as an Olympic weight lifter. A gorilla may deadlift twice as much as the world's strongest human, but that is also unproven as far as tests that have been done-it may well be the case that the strongest human is stronger than a Silverback, but this is 1 from billions, on average there is simply no contest.  
 
Thomas M. Greiner (http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-07/995155256.Zo.r.html) considers the problems of defining gorilla strength. He says that most human strength activities, such as weight lifting, involve a degree of skill as well as strength. It is possible that a human could bench press more weight than a gorilla, but that a could tear the arms off the human. Gorillas and humans have variable strengths. The gorilla has very strong arms, compared to a person, although some people do have bigger arms than a gorilla.  
 
One reader (Abortion) at http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-19908.html says that the gorilla is 20 times stronger than an average adult human. African Wildlife Foundation (http://www.awf.org/content/wildlife/detail/mountaingorilla) says that a mountain gorilla is about 10 times stronger - than the biggest American football players.  
 
Looking at this conflicting information, it seems that a silverback gorilla is 5-20 times as strong as a human and that 7-8 times seems to be a fair estimate. A general principle in biology is that the basic unit of muscle activity (the sarcomere) is pretty much the same in all animals. That means that the muscle of any animal is just as powerful as the muscle of any other animal. What differs between animals is how the sarcomeres are arranged, and how many of them are dedicated to a particular action. This is a  
 
difference of biomechanics. By way of comparison, you could put a 500 horsepower engine in a race car and in a tractor. The engine in both vehicles is equally powerful. However, the tractor uses that power to pull heavy objects but not to go fast, while the race car uses that power to go fast but it cannot pull much weight. So, the two vehicles are just as powerful, even though there is no way to compare their performance. Your  
 
human and gorilla comparison would produce a similar result. The two creatures may be equally powerful, but they are completely unequal in their abilities.  
 
Posted @ Sunday, December 06, 2009 5:11 PM by ATTILA
The silverback gorilla would have little chance against a grizzly. I would like to see a bull gorilla fight an American black bear.
Posted @ Monday, December 07, 2009 3:15 PM by Toby Ross
You're right Toby, the gorilla is overmatched when pitted against a stronger, deadlier foe as a Grizzly, Ursus Horriblis. It would be more challenging if it were a black bear vs silverback eastern lowland gorilla. If they wouldn't aviod each other, it'd be a better fight. Most people severly underestimate a black bear, but think of this; how big are they compared with dogs? Dogs kill 200 people a year here in America-a black bear has the same tools as a dog, only bigger.
Posted @ Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:02 AM by ATTILA
Can this fight be posted? 
 
American black bear vs Eastern lowland gorilla.
Posted @ Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:17 AM by Toby Ross
this is horrible. you monsters. let animals be free and stop trying to control them. they need to be free and they stay away from us, so just leave them alone. stop forcing them to fight eachother, because in reality most animals don't want to fight, they just want to live life to its fullest and survive peacefully. leave the animals alone.
Posted @ Friday, December 11, 2009 6:16 PM by eva
You seem to be a very ignorant individual, Eva. We are only predicting what would happen if such an incident occurred. I don't like animal fighting, but if you knew anything about this site, all it is some online debate site, on predicting which animal will come on top of the other animal.
Posted @ Friday, December 11, 2009 6:36 PM by MrAlien123456
The grizzly could easily defeat the gorilla, just as it would easily defeat a tiger or a lion. Brown bears and polar bears are earth's top land predators.
Posted @ Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:24 PM by Toby Ross
The bite force of a gorilla is equal to that of a grizzly bear. That means that a gorilla has a stronger bite than a lion, a tiger, or a wolf. Among land mammals, only the hyeana has a more powerful bite. But, no one really knows just how strong a silverback gorilla is. There is a lot of speculation. But, the strength of a gorilla has never been measured. Therefore, there is only speculation.  
 
The perfect fight for the gorilla would be an American black bear and/or a jaguar.
Posted @ Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:09 AM by Toby Ross
American black bear. 7 feet tall / 600 pounds. Eastern lowland gorilla. 6 feet tall / 450 pounds.  
 
Size advantage goes to the bear.
Posted @ Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:13 PM by Toby Ross
Also strength advantage would go to the bear, although the misnomer opposite of this (gorilla being stronger)seems prevalent on here is evident, but false nonetheless.
Posted @ Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:42 PM by ATTILA
When was the last time that a new fight was posted? It would be great if some of these fights were put to rest, then perhaps brought back at a later date.  
 
Some of these matches are really good, such as African lion vs Bengal tiger and lion vs black bear. Others are just too one-sided such as Siberian tiger vs gorilla or Siberian tiger vs grizzly.  
 
But, there are those who will argue never-the-less. I would like to see some brand new matches, while the old fights are given a rest.
Posted @ Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:25 AM by Toby Ross
As for this match, it is just too one-sided. My favorite animal would lose. A gorilla is no match for a grizzly bear.
Posted @ Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:27 AM by Toby Ross
How about Tasmanian Devil VS Badger or Wolverine vs badger, or Racoon vs ..... Racoons are tough little customers and quite able to handle themselves.
Posted @ Saturday, December 26, 2009 4:28 PM by ATTILA
Taz vs badger would be a great face-off!
Posted @ Saturday, December 26, 2009 4:33 PM by Toby Ross
That it would,Toby-who would you put up against a Racoon for a good face-off?  
 
As far as the Taz vs Badger, thats a close fight to call-both are viscious customers. I recently watched a doc on different species comming into conflict with each other and it was a 6ft. monitor lizard who tried making a meal out of a honey badger-the honey badger grabbed the flesh-eating monitor lizard and with its powerfull jaws, bit into its head whilst its claws(one of them) dug into the lizards eyeballs and blood was gushing out. It was a brutal attack and only the badger came out of it-unscathed and instead it made a meal of the monitor lizard.
Posted @ Saturday, December 26, 2009 4:54 PM by ATTILA
Maybe he is a 5th grader. Ever think of that? You sound like someone with a lot less knowledge and certainly less good sense than a 5th grader.  
 
You are good with the trailer trash language. People use that kind of talk to try and hide their ignorance. It doesn't work. We can see your ignorance.
Posted @ Sunday, December 27, 2009 5:15 AM by Toby Ross
We all know the bear would win but so far as it killing a bull I seen pictures of a 1,000 pound bull thrusting a bear thru don't seem like the bear made it.
Posted @ Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:09 AM by T mac
Grizzly bear used to hunt and kill American bison regularly. It has been witnessed, a grizzly breaking the neck of a bull bison, which is bigger and stronger than a domesticated bull. 
 
As for grizzly vs gorilla, normally the grizzly which is way bigger. But, if we had a 500 pound grizzly vs 500 pound gorilla, I believe that this fight could go either way.
Posted @ Saturday, January 02, 2010 9:52 AM by Toby Ross
I agree with you on the Bison-Grizzly's have been witnessed rather recently even killing these Bison in Yellowstone National PArk where both are. 
 
As far as a battle between the two, I believe the bear would maul the gorilla-its stronger and more aggressive, just look at dogs-they are even smaller than us, and even though we are stronger than most dogs, they kill over 200 people a year in the US. I further think my opinion correct in that gorillas don't fight too often and bears do-Grizzly's are killers and they mean business-they're all stuff and no bluff-just my opinion, but I believe this to be true based on my studies of all animals over the years, and it is an unbiased opinion. Gorillas are gentle guys but strong, while bears are rugged tough guys who are stronger and more deadly.
Posted @ Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:23 PM by ATTILA
You are right. Grizzly bears are fighters. A bear's style is nothing like that of a dog ( domesticated wolf ). A bear is more like a giant racoon. Grizzly bears are certainly agressive fighters.  
 
Not much is really known of a gorilla's fighting ability. The only fights ever witnessed by reputable people are gorilla vs gorilla. Also, the strength of a gorilla is guess-work. I do wish that someone would figure out a way to measure animal strength.  
 
But my guess is, pound for pound, a gorilla has "bear strength". Probably closer to the black bear than to a grizzly. 
 
I also know that, when I bet my hard-earned money on the gorilla, it is merely because he is my favorite animal.
Posted @ Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:15 AM by Toby Ross
This is interesting what the experts say about gorilla strength. 
 
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060812113302AAbejNL 
 
and also at:  
 
http://en.allexperts.com/9/wild-Animals-705/Gorilla-strength.htm 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted @ Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:23 AM by Toby Ross
The strength of grizzly bears were tested. See the results at: 
 
http://www.montana.edu/cpa/news/nwview.php?article=3827
Posted @ Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:36 AM by Toby Ross
I think in all the end the bear would win reason being bears are super tolerble to pain they littlerly have no sence of it and could take anything the gorilla would throw at it so even if the gorilla got a few really good shots the bear would easly shake it off
Posted @ Monday, January 04, 2010 10:43 AM by josh winter
I agree Josh. As stong as a gorilla is, the grizzly is even stronger. Grizzy bears ( brown bears in general ) are the top land predators on this planet.
Posted @ Monday, January 04, 2010 11:25 AM by Toby Ross
I will give my opinions on myspace. There are some really nice people here. But, also a big bunch of total idiots. Where do these uneducated know-it-alls come from?
Posted @ Monday, January 04, 2010 5:04 PM by Toby Ross
Toby Ross / Og-Lee at myspace. 
 
"Long live the grizzly... King of Beasts". / "Long live the gorilla... King of the Jungle".
Posted @ Tuesday, January 05, 2010 6:59 AM by Toby Ross
IF every wild animal of planet earth were suddenly transported to a world where there is only one vast comtinent ( like Pangea ) and of course one vast ocean, then we would see who is the King of Beasts.  
 
Ursus Arctos would rule as the dominant predator from the sub-arctic down to the sub-tropics. In the tropics, the only predator that the gorilla would fear is the tiger. The tiger would probably defeat the gorilla in 6 out of 10 attacks.
Posted @ Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:02 PM by Toby Ross
I will add to this that tigers are bigger than gorillas. Pound for pound, the gorilla is the stronger of the two. Pound for pound the grizzly bear is the strongest, then the gorilla, and the tiger comes up last.
Posted @ Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:03 AM by Toby Ross
Recently, I sent an e-mail to a zoo. I asked was there a safe way, which might be actually fun for the gorilla, to measure the great ape's stregth. Of course, they're reaction was not pleasant. 
 
People, especially men, have wondered about who is the apex beast even back in the stone age. I do not and never will agree with pit fights. These people should be tossed naked into a pit of angry rats and left there to die. 
 
What we do here is totally harmless. I love nature. I love animals. I do not kill snakes EVER. When I find a spider in my house, a capture it and release it outside.  
 
But, when these fights happen naturally, I am interested in who is the "top dog". I wish that the gorilla's strength could be measured. IF anyone here knows who to talk to about this, I'm sure that there is a way to measure a gorilla's strength that is not only harmless to the3 ape, but can be fun for him.
Posted @ Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:49 AM by Toby Ross
The gorilla is my favorite animal. But, a silverback gorilla would be quickly killed by the apex land predator of planet earth, Ursus arctos.
Posted @ Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:28 PM by Toby Ross
Win bear Grizzly
Posted @ Friday, January 22, 2010 11:20 PM by Fuma pao
Gorilla Stupid! 
 
Bear Grizzly Win! 
 
 
 
 
 
Bear killed Gorilla louse
Posted @ Friday, January 22, 2010 11:22 PM by das
kids are dumb!!! id have to say it would be a close fight. but fosure the gorilla would win. first of all the grizzly is not even close of how strong the gorilla is. i know most of u guys are the that if the grizzly is bigger then its stonger!! but thats not the case the grizzly weighs about 1,200 lbs but only half of that is muscle!! its a fact look it up. the rest is fat wich is a disadvantage for being slower than the gorilla. and gorrilas are all 450 lbs to 500 lbs of muscle so if you take half of the bear than they match about the same. and gorrila could lift two family cars abouve there head about 5000 lbs witch a bear cant do. here are the facts wen it comes down to it gorrila are faster gorillas are way stronger gorillas have one of the strongest biteforce with 2-3 in k9s. gorllias are way smater being one of the smartest animals in th animal kingdom. plus the gorilla has oppsible thumbs witch he could grip real hard!! this what would happen the bear would stand tall and bigger but the faster gorilla would get his leg drag him then pound him to a bloody pulp it plain and simple all the bear has is its claws!!
Posted @ Monday, January 25, 2010 12:07 PM by
btw some of you guys says that gorillas get killed by leapords. this is true it kills baby gorillas not freakin full grown silverbacks haha omg kids are so retarted these days its like a hyena could kill a lion but a baby lion not a full grown male theres a diffence between babies and full grown males dumdfucks!!
Posted @ Monday, January 25, 2010 2:14 PM by east95
first of all, living in north western canada, i know a fair bit about grizzlies and i have met many hunters who have told me their experiences with grizzlies. they all told me the same thing, and that is that u never shoot a grizzly without at least 100m of space between you and the grizzly, and that you never use anything smaller then steel core armour piercing supersonic bullets. this is because the grizzly has incredibly thick bones, especially the skull which is thick enough to deflect a full clip of a 50.cal desert eagle, so a gorilla punching a grizzly in the face is probably one of the worst(and last)mistakes that said gorilla could ever make. the grizzly is also surprisingly incredibly fast and without at least a 100m it can charge you in 5 seconds flat and kill u before you know it(grizzlies can charge at about 45km/hr). these hunters have also told me their own experiences of watching grizzlies casually push aside 1000lbs boulders and tearing trees down to the ground as if they were toothpicks. so i do not think that in this universe or any that a gorilla could ever hope to defeat a grizzly in combat, grizzlies are just way too powerfull. Also to adress the issue of tiger vs. gorilla, tigers are also predators which are bigger and stronger then gorillas, and while their strength is based mostly for speed it should be noted that 500lb tigers routinely kill 1000lb Guars(its like a really big deer) and then proceed to drag them some 2-3 kilometres and then up a tree for safe keeping. Bengal tigers have even been observed attacking elephants in india, and while the indian elephant is smaller then the african one, it still weighs about 3 tons, and u can be sure that indian elephants get pretty damn nervous when they sense that a tiger is near.
Posted @ Monday, January 25, 2010 8:27 PM by djetanis
I agree with you djetanis, I have both the .454 Casull and Magnum Researche's Desert Eagle .50 AE and I don't feel that is enough to stop a Grizzly's onslaught-those bears are the tanks of the predators on the planet! The only thing I have that I feel protected enough with is the Barrett 50 BMG-but I'm against using it against bears-it was created to use agaist mankind(I'm a Marine and trained against people, not game hunting)Anyway, you are correct in your assertion that it'd be suicide for the gorilla to "punch" the Grizzly. If you read stories written by Ben East and other authors, yoiu'd come across many stories that are similar-they all start with the person unloading on the Grizzly at point-blank range and still getting mauled or it drops just at their feet after receiving multiple big-bore rifle shots and still charging on-the gorilla is no match for such a force as this!!
Posted @ Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:53 AM by ATTILA
yea i have heard of stories like that it could deflec or bruch oof a 50 cal bullet if its a mom grizzly then shes proteting her cub but i know they dont brush off a 50 call bull to the head not 10 out of 10 times there might be cases it does have a thick skull but come on now 50 cal could kill a bear most of the time grizzlys do run faster but there not that fast in combat or there real flexible yea i thought a grizzzly would win too but once i star learnin about the gorrila its one of the strongest animals far stronger than a lion or tiger but you guys think that it would be hard for a goriila to take it down no it could if a gorrila could lift 5000 lbs above its head then it could lift a 1,200 bear. yes the bear has a thick skull but the gorrila it jus to strong the gorilla will be able to crack the skull or even break the bears spine!! like i said this is what would prob happen the bear stands tall and bigger but the goriila looks and sees that the legs are unproteted the he drsgs him to the ground starts pounding not puching they pound not puch they hit like hammer fist like on ufc if you guys watch that but it could very crack th bear skull jus cuz the bears bigger does not mean nothing the gorrila is to strong and more flexible and a thumbs witch it could grip on the bear and if the bear tries to swipe then the gorrila could move but wen you add up all the facts you see the gorilla wins and all you bears lovers want to denay it i like both but the gorilla is more stronger 1000 lbs bloder is nothing compared to 5000 lbs two family cars !! gorrila has a stronger or jus as stong bite force and the gorilla is smarter out of the two. the bear has a advantage being bigger but that does not work wen someone is faster asnd stronger and more flexible and has a powerful biteforce with a tight tight grip so u guys add all the fact up n see who will win
Posted @ Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:37 AM by east95
i mean its a proven fact that goilla are stronger look up animal planet most extrem strength bears 10 being the lowest stregth 1 being the strongest and bears came in 10th! gorillas came in 4th so gorillas are stronger and mr allen said bears condsiderd to be the strongest land animal hahaha kids a dumass fucking elephants are the strongest!!!
Posted @ Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:06 AM by east 95
first of all east95, where did u get this information that a gorilla can lift 5000lbs over its head. the strength of gorillas has never been tested and at 5000lbs the spine of a gorilla would snap like a twig. If you ask me, allowing for the strength of the spine and tendons attaching to the shoulder, id say that the max a gorilla could lift an unmoving weight above its head is more in the range of 2000- 
2500lbs(this is already extremely strong anyways), which brings me to my second point. As any weightlifter knows, it is far easier to lift a stationary load then one that is moving, so for a gorilla to lift a 1200 lb struggling grizzly bear is damn near impossible, if u don't believe me, try lifting a barbell over your head, next try lifting a person of the same weight as the barbell who is moving and struggling, not so easy. And finally, alot of the stuff on animal planet is complete bullshit, and saying that the gorilla is stronger then a grizzly bear is meaningless, because once again, the strength of gorillas has never been tested, and when it is, i think people will find it is far less then all the silly estimates you find on the internet,like when some people say that gorillas are twenty times stronger then a human. At twenty times stronger then a human, an animal of that size would be so muscle bound that it could no longer move and its skeleton would not be able to withstand the force of the muscles on the bone without snapping(trust me, i know my physics and biochemistry pretty well. P.S. the skull of a grizzly is about an inch thick of solid bone, which could deflect any hit from a gorilla no matter how strong, and grizzlies may not be able to lift stuff above them because their anatomy isnt suited for lifting, they can drag a 2200 pound moose carcass for miles which you can be sure as shit a gorilla will never be able to do.
Posted @ Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:22 PM by djetanis
But hey east 95, if you feel comfortable enough to think that a 50. cal deagle will stop a grizzly then be my guest(and ignore many long years of experience from various hunters i've known)and go hunt one yourself, just dont be surprised when the bear gets your face in its mouth.
Posted @ Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:29 PM by djetanis
yo all im sayin is that a grizzly cant deflek a 50 cal or a deagle 10/10 i mean come on it might have a thick skull but its a fuckin 50 cal i bet there have been cases where the bear deflecked it but it cant do it 10/10 come on now
Posted @ Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:51 PM by east95
listen how would even know if animal planet is bull shit!! and you dont know that a gorllas bones and spine are way stronger!! and were not talking about humans lifting were talking about a gorrila!! and even if the gorilla lifted 2500 lbs witch could lift more than that!! then it could lift the bear above its head witch the grizzly weighs 1200!! and if a grizzly cant lift that much heavy stuff above its head then its obviously not stronger than the gorilla and draging is way easier then lifting!! and yes those people who say 20x stronger then human are prob wrong!! i never said that tho!! and if the gorrila could lift something above its head then i think it could drag it witch is easier then lifting and the bears skull could break it bone not meatle you obviously dont know the streatgh of a gorilla!! and fron the facts you told me about a grizzly a gorilla is stronger!! the gorilla has more tools then the grizzly does so its logical for me to go with the gorilla!!
Posted @ Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:06 PM by east95
you dont know the strength of a gorilla either, you are just speculating, and if you still think that a 400 pound animal can lift something twice its size and three times its weight while it is thrashing around, then im sorry but you are just plain stupid, not to mention the fact that the bear isnt going to just let the gorilla pick it up, it has very sharp deadly claws and can swipe with its paws with enough force to knock a young tree over. alot of people here seem to be seriously overestimating a gorillas strength, yes, it is a very strong animal, but not strong enough to take something on as large and powerful as a grizzly, its like trying to say that a featherweight boxer could take on mike tyson, why do you think weight classes exist, size matters a whole lot in the animal world, period. Also, it seems to me you dont have much gun experience, cuase if you did, you would know that a 50. cal deagle shoots lead bullets, which are soft and would not be able to penetrate the skull of a bear, which is why hunters use steel core armour piercing bullets. and contrary to what most people are saying here, bears arent that dumb compared to a gorilla and their pain tolerance is much higher, which is why they can keep fighting even after suffering life threatening injuries, so basically, what im saying here is a grizzly is a crackhead on steroids, just 1000lbs bigger(if you have any experience with crackheads you know that they dont feel pain very well)
Posted @ Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:08 AM by djetanis
also, i should point out that a gorilla walks on all, so its spine is not built to take the strain of lifting stuff vertically above it, which really means that a gorilla could probably not even lift 2000 lbs over its head. however, if its body and spine was supported by some sort of harness, that would greatly increase its overhead lifting strength, but since gorillas dont have these harnesses then it makes youre argument look stupid. you also say that lifting is harder then dragging, thats just fucking stupid, for a grizzly to drag a 2000lb corpse for over a mile(there have even been observations of grizzlies dragging their prey up a mountain)takes an unfathomable amount of strength, and maybe a gorilla can lift something heavy above itself for a short amount of time it is just impossible for them to pull off the feats of strength that grizzlies do ALL THE TIME. your argument is null and void, just give give, a gorilla would get its ass smashed and beaten to nothing more then a bloody pulp. they may have been kings in their country, but in north america they are fishbait.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:27 AM by djetanis
meant to say "gorillas walk on all fours" at the begining of my last post
Posted @ Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:29 AM by djetanis
PM by east95-there is NO proof that a gorilla is any stronger than 7 times that of a person-an AVERAGE person at that, there are Scandinavians such as Magnus Ver Magnusson, Svend Karlson, Jon Pall Sigmarsson and Magnus Samuelsson who could most likely destroy a gorilla in strength feats. 
 
A bear cub(Grizzly) flipped a huge rock over that 7 men couldn't budge-that was only a cub! Grizzly is FAR more powerful than a gorilla and is the very symbol accross the world of strength-bears wrestle people because they can be "trained" to take it easy on people, but even then, people have gotten hurt, like Doug who owned Bart the Bear, a 1,600 lb Grizzly who was a star in "The Edge", "The Bear" and other movies. Grizzlys can and have lifted with ease far more weight than that-they have carried moose carcasses up mountains, do you know how heavy a moose is? Their upper body is tremendously powerful and they are far stronger than the smaller, weaker gorilla.  
 
 
 
Here is REAL information on gorilla strength-they are about 2x stronger than a powerlifter.  
 
 
 
Creation versus Evolution (http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi? Gorilla's are not 20x stronger than Humans, and are not constantly training within their wild habitats.  
 
 
 
There are many aspects involved with lifting strength, and a main part of training involves the muscular memory of you muscles coordinating with one another for the best result.  
 
 
 
And comparing arm strength between a human and a gorilla is an apples to oranges scenario. Human's primary strength is lower body and hips, whereas the gorilla is primarily upper-body.  
 
 
 
Gorillas are also very ill-equipped for overhead lifting capabilities, the world's strongest man could undoubtedly defeat a Gorilla in a contest of overhead lifting, but that does not make the Gorilla weaker than the human, it's all about how the two species were made, and adapted for.  
 
 
 
Humans walk on two legs, meaning our thighs and calves take the force single-handedly, whereas Gorillas walk on both hands and legs, placing part of their pressure on their knuckles.  
 
 
 
In terms of combat, a Gorilla would tear apart a human no matter what the scenario was. The bone density of a Gorilla is immense, they can take numerous blows to their thick skulls that would be normally fatal to a humanaction=msg&f=14&t=1376&m=1 and http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1376&m=196) is a discussion forum. LudoRaphaim says that there may have been no study to determine a gorilla’s strength. One book says it is 4-8 times stronger than a man, while the "Animal face off" show says it is 20 times stronger and LudoRaphaim says it is 20 times stronger in its upper body. Nigel Marvin says it is 5 times stronger. "The Most Extreme" on Animal Planet suggested that a gorilla may be eight times as strong as an Olympic weight lifter. A gorilla may deadlift twice as much as the world's strongest human, but that is also unproven as far as tests that have been done-it may well be the case that the strongest human is stronger than a Silverback, but this is 1 from billions, on average there is simply no contest.  
 
 
 
Thomas M. Greiner (http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-07/995155256.Zo.r.html) considers the problems of defining gorilla strength. He says that most human strength activities, such as weight lifting, involve a degree of skill as well as strength. It is possible that a human could bench press more weight than a gorilla, but that a could tear the arms off the human. Gorillas and humans have variable strengths. The gorilla has very strong arms, compared to a person, although some people do have bigger arms than a gorilla.  
 
 
 
One reader (Abortion) at http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-19908.html says that the gorilla is 20 times stronger than an average adult human. African Wildlife Foundation (http://www.awf.org/content/wildlife/detail/mountaingorilla) says that a mountain gorilla is about 10 times stronger - than the biggest American football players.  
 
 
 
Looking at this conflicting information, it seems that a silverback gorilla is 5-20 times as strong as a human and that 7-8 times seems to be a fair estimate. A general principle in biology is that the basic unit of muscle activity (the sarcomere) is pretty much the same in all animals. That means that the muscle of any animal is just as powerful as the muscle of any other animal. What differs between animals is how the sarcomeres are arranged, and how many of them are dedicated to a particular action. This is a  
 
 
 
difference of biomechanics. By way of comparison, you could put a 500 horsepower engine in a race car and in a tractor. The engine in both vehicles is equally powerful. However, the tractor uses that power to pull heavy objects but not to go fast, while the race car uses that power to go fast but it cannot pull much weight. So, the two vehicles are just as powerful, even though there is no way to compare their performance. Your  
 
 
 
human and gorilla comparison would produce a similar result. The two creatures may be equally powerful, but they are completely unequal in their abilities.  
 
Also to be noted is gorillas die very easily by gunshot as the stupid africans who poach them do all the time-bears on the other hand often kill the same people who shot them multiple times with big bore high caliber rifles-they are far more tough to kill, wound or put down than a gorilla who is easily put down, thats why they are hacked to death by machettes as well. Grizzly would destroy the gorilla, not only are they stronger, but are killers-their name says it all-"Ursus Horribilis". Its a tank of the animal world, and its right here on our own continent! They have an extremely high tolerance to pain, but can sure dish it out-they would maul, kill and eat the gorilla and that would be the end. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:43 AM by ATTILA
thank you attila, i couldnt have put it better myself. grizzly bear owns gorilla, and pretty much any other animal stupid enough to try and fight it (except MAYBE a very large siberian tiger, but that is a whole other debate on its own).
Posted @ Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:04 AM by djetanis
alright listen djetanis i said that a gorilla is able to lift a grizzly above its head!! not that it would do it in a fight!! yes it would be hard to do that wen a beear is fighting!! and ur a stupid kid to say that draging/pulling is not easier then lifting!! first of all when you drageg you could use your body weight to pull!! and here is an example that draging is easier!! strong man competition guys could pull fire trucks!! but does that mean they could lift!! no. and they i saw a video where a guy pulled a fucking airplane but does that mean he could lift it!! once again no!! and if you would know about but witch u prob dont!! u would know that only half their body weight is muscle and the rest is fat!! so grizzly avrg about 800 lbs so gorillas and grizzlys match up about the same!! gorillas are all muscle! and size doesnt matter what about Royce Gracie in ufc bs some bigg ass dudes that weigh a couple hunderad lbs on him! then Royce Gracie beat thier ass. and a gorilla could lift alot more then its body weight! i mean there are animals that can do it like a leaf cutter ant! or a rhino beetle that can lify 850x its body weight! a fucken grizzly can take a bullet to the head wen it is attacking beacuse of the Adrenaline is pumping and is determind to kill that person thats tring to kill it but not 10/10 u dumbfuck !
Posted @ Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:49 PM by east95
@ATTILA u are one of the dumbest kids i heard of! i cant belive that u just said that a guy was stronger than a grilla! and listen to this 200 lbs chimps and go look this up are 10x stronger than a heavyweight boxer!! so how much stronger do u think a 450 lbs gorilla is stronger! and i cant belive u said that humans are only 2x stronger than a silver back! come on now that right there jus shows me that you dont know any thing about animals!! bears on animal planet were the least strongest! and you cant sit here and tell me that animal planet is bullshit!! why would anybody lie about how strong these animals are! they have no reason to! o and about the chimp i saw it on i survived!! idk what channel it was on nut watch it it says that about chimps! and bears have more fucking tool/weapons then bears! bears have there big paws1 but thats it if a gorilla is stronger faster mor flexible smater has a strong bite force! has hands and basicly has hads for feet! so they could grip with there feet and hads1 so who is going to win with that! and ludrephaim said he asked a zoologist if a bear would be stronger and the zoologist agreed but he doesnt know in his opinan he said it would b stronger but are u jus going to belive what some random guy says!! i tried going to the web site where it said a bear is stronger than a gorilla but it didnt work! and people could and stuff in to that web site that aint rue so you cant jus belive everything the internet says! and the cars comparing to humans and gorillas is jus stupid gorillas are stronger and faster than a human so theres no comparasin at all! ok gorillas can kill big cats and bears based on what the tools they have and how they use them listen i hope u guys think im a gorilla lover well i like them but i also like the bear1 but its facts and tools that are saying that a gorilla could kill a bear but we will never know unless we put them in a cage togater like they did in the old days! but ima say this one more time gorillas stronger gorillas fater gorilla smater gorrila has hads witch it could grip and gorilla has on of the strongest biteforce so based on that the groilla would win!! case closed!
Posted @ Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:25 PM by east95
i messed up in some of my words my computer is being stipid
Posted @ Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:31 PM by east95
man, this east 95 kid is stupid, you dont know shit about physics or biology or nothing do u, simple math could tell u that a grizzly already has more muscle then a goriila even if it is fat. and no gorillas are not all muscle, i suggest you take a closer look at some gorilla pictures, youre just spewing all these junk facts you got off the internet wityh no real science or nothing backing your claims, im not even gonna bother arguing anymore with a retard such as yourself, anyone with half a brain could tell you youre wrong, gorillas may be strong but they are not fighters, they are gentle herbivores that prefer to avoid conflict, while grizzlies are born killers that get into tons of fights ion their life, and gorillas arent the super fast and agile animals everyone makes them out to be. youre argument is stupid, and any comments you make any more i will just ignore because frankly they are just a waste of my time.
Posted @ Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:05 AM by djetanis
and by the way, when people pull these trucks and airplanes, have you ever noticed that they have wheels, a person could drag a blue whale if you put wheels on it but would be unable to drag a 300lb rock that was just lying on the ground. and were talking about a grizzly dragging a 2000lb dead moose UPHILL FOR A MILE, thats a dead weight that creates huge friction with the ground. and since i dont think u can do math im gonna help you with the muscle problem for gorillas. 
no animal is all muscle, if they were all muscle they would die. 
a 400lb gorilla is approx. 30-40% muscle by weight(this is the ratio for almost all animals) which means a total of 120-160lb of muscle. a grizzly on the other hand, assuming it weighs about 1000lbs means that their is 300-400lb of muscle in it. now since a toddler could tell me that the grizzly has more muscle in it, you can see the picture. now you say that beetles can lift 850 times their weight(its actually more like 70, but i can see u r relying the internet again), the reason behind it is because beetles are small. a small animal is always going to be pound for pound stronger then a larger animal, so if you shrunk a human to the size of a beetle, we would be able to lift 70 times our weight too. and by the way dumbass, animals dont know marshal arts, which is why royce gracie won that fight in ufc where the use alot of marshall arts. and unlike grizzlies which are the tanks of the animal world, a gorilla is pretty easy to kill with even a low caliber handgun, so what does that say about gorillas DUMBFUCK.
Posted @ Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:21 AM by djetanis
Well, actually, djetanis, despite me not agreeing with east at all on the gorilla topic, the rhinoceros beetle is actually the strongest insect out there. They can grow from 1.5-3.5 inches in length and lift up to 850xs their own body weight, so east has you there on some part, however, he was not specific on the type of beetle. But otherwise, I agree with you on the gorilla topic. Gorillas are not as strong as some individuals think. They are strong, but they cannot lift over a ton. I even think the Most Extreme was a little farfetched on the weight a gorilla can lift. About 1500-2500lbs sound more reasonable for a silverback to be able to lift. The typical silverback only gets around 390lbs in the wild. The average inland grizzly boars are about 490lbs, while the average coastal grizzly boars are about 650-700lbs. The average Kodiak boar is about 750-800lbs. Gorilla has a lot of muscle, but not as a much as big cat or bear. Big cats and bears tie up in muscle mass ratios, with big cats having slightly higher muscle masses, but bears usually have thicker bones, and a more compact build. 
 
 
 
 
 
Again, may I state? 
 
 
 
Average SILVERBACK gorilla: 350-390lbs 
 
Largest gorilla recorded in the wild: 510lbs 
 
Largest gorilla recorded in captivity: 640lbs 
 
 
 
 
 
Average Bengal tiger: 400-425lbs 
 
Average Amur (Siberian tiger): 420-450lbs 
 
Largest tiger recorded in the wild: 860lbs 
 
Largest tiger recorded in captivity: 1025lbs 
 
 
 
 
 
And don’t even get me started on ligers, Polar bears, or brown bears. 
 
 
 
I’m also wondering, despite their massive food intake, would a liger make a decent pet. If I were to win the lottery right now, would a liger be a good pet, considering their only real drawbacks are space and food, because ligers have never actually showed major signs of aggression, like tigers or lions have, as I recall. What I’m saying is that, if someone had millions of dollars to put into investing a liger as a pet, would the liger be a good pet? It seems they have lost their hunting instincts, in captivity, and as long as you have a load of money for their food and space, they wouldn’t be such a bad pet…………
Posted @ Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:58 AM by MrAlien123456
I did some "iffy" calculations, including the weight of a rhinoceros beetle, and how much they can lift, and how many rhinoceros beetles it would require to make up a pound. They weigh about 85g, and a pound is about 453.6g. Five rhinos make up a lb. I infer they can be about 3-6xs stronger than a human, if scaled up to the size of a human. It can be possible, as there is extra strength from a beetle that can get up to 7 inches long (Hercules beetle is the largest species of rhinoceros beetle), to be sized up to human terms and manage. They would just need a WHOLE lot of oxygen. Beetles, I would say are a more evolved order of inscts, and I doubt many beetle species were around during the time of the "giant arthropods". The average human male is about 170lbs, which means about 850 rhinos make up the average human male. The average human male can probably lift about .30-1xs their own weight over their head. 
 
I would also like to point out the interesting animal known as the armored shrew……… The animal that can manage with the average human male on its back……. They must have a very strong back, in proportion to their body, if they were to accomplish such a feat, therefore I may consider them the strongest mammal, living at their current size. 
 
Posted @ Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:37 AM by MrAlien123456
djetanis you are a dumb ass kid who doesnt know shit! gorillas are gentle towrds humans but does not mean it isnt capable of doing anythin! wen its defending its self it would fight! grizzlys kill but prey you cant sit here and tell me that that counts as a fight the fucken prey does not fight back u dumbfuck! and yea i know funcken animals dont know mma but some kid said size matters all im trying to say is that size doesnt matter! listen a airplane and fire truck does have weeels but weels arent going to talke all weight away dumb fuck so even with weels there would be still hard to pull! and they cant lift it and once again im not going to repeat myself draging is way easier then pulling and i know that a gorilla can drag a dead carcus 2000 lbs up hill! they could be easy to kill with a gun but does not make them lose the fight right away! never said that a gorilla is super fast but it is faster compaerd to a grizzly i know a and it is more agile DUMBFUCK!! DONT WRITE ANYTHING BACK IF UR NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH ME!
Posted @ Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:03 PM by east95
YEA I WOULDT MIND HAVING A LIGER AS A PET SINSE THERE NOT WILD COULD STILL KILL ME BUT SO CAN DOGS SO WOULDT MIN IT AT ALL. BUT YOU ARE STATING THE RECORD FOR WEIGHT BUT THEY ARE JUST FAT AND OBESE DOES NOT DO ANYTHING! AND WHY WOULDT ANIMAL PLANET LIE ABOUT THE GORILLAS STREGHT IF YOUR NOT AN EXPERT THEN DONT SAY A GORILLA CANT LIFT A TON OVER ITS HEAD! ANIMAL PLANETS MOST EXTREM ARE EXPERTS AND WOULD NOT LIE THEY HAVE NO REASON TO.
Posted @ Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:13 PM by EAST95
I sense anger in you east.......... 
 
Capitalizing your letters in an angry, broken English fashion is very convincing.......... I have seen quite a few flaws with some of the shows on Animal Planet. I was watching "Killing for a Living" right now, and it stated that the tenerec is a close relative of hedgehogs, when that theory was actually disproved a few years ago. Now tenerecs are placed in the Superorder, Afrotheria, which contains elephants, sirenians (manatees and dugongs), hyraxes, elephant shrews, golden moles and aardvarks. Hedhogs are in the super order (not order) Laurasiatheria, as they remained in before the classification split up out of the now extinct order, known as Insectivora. Now, insectivora is a now extinct order and has placed certain animals into different groups than previously thought. True shrews and true moles are placed under an order known as the Soricomorphs, while hedgehogs and moonrats are placed under another order, the Erinaceomorph. But both of these orders are in the same superorder. Golden moles are now no longer classified as true moles and are now as distantly related to moles as tenerecs are. Let’s put it in this perspective; tenerecs, and golden moles are now Afrotherians, which means their more closely related to elephants (and extinct relatives), sea cows (dugongs and manatees), hyraxes, elephant shrews and aardvarks. Hedgehogs, moon rats, moles, and true shrews are ore closely related to even toed (artiodactyls) and odd toed (perissodactyls) ungulates, carnivorans, cetaceans, creodonts (and many other extinct orders), pangolins and chiroptera (bats). 
 
 
 
I may have gotten off topic quite a bit, but something, just to show you that Animal Planet is not perfect, and should not be your only source of info. 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted @ Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:37 PM by MrAlien123456
WELL ITS NOT MAY ONLY SOUCE INFO BUT WEN I SAID ANIMAL PLANET I MEANT MOST EXTERM IM SURE THAT THERE IS ERRORS BUT THATS A DIFFERENT TV SHOW. AND I WAS TYPING IN CAPS ON MYSPACE I JUST FOR GOT TO TAKE THEM OFF. AND NO IM NOT ANGERY BUT SOME WHAT IRRATATED THAT IM TRYING TO CONVINCE KIDZ THAT DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANIMALS WHO IS THE WINNER. BUT THERES NO POINT OF ME ARGUING WITH KIDS CAUSE I KNOW IM RIGHT AND THEY JUST LOOK STUPID. I MEAN THERE WAS A GUY ON HERE WHO SAID BEAR ARE THE STRONGEST LAND ANIMALS IF HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THEN HE WOULD SAY THAT ELEPHANTS ARE THE STRONGEST LAND ANIMAL BUT ITS NOT YOUR GUYS FAULT THAT YOUR DUMB AND DONT KNOW ANYTHING. HAHAHA
Posted @ Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:59 PM by EAST95
mr. alien, ya theres no doubt that beetles are the strongest insects, i jost dont think that its 850x its own weight, 'cause i believe the hercules beetle already weighs about 100g, anyways, moot point, weve already agreed that beetles are the strongest insect.
Posted @ Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:35 PM by djetanis
good east 95,goooood. now, strike me down, RELEASE YOUR ANGER, and your traning to the darkside shall be complete. altho, u should probably know something first. I AM YOUR FATHER! 
btw, it doesnt take a genius to know that a moose does fight back when a grizzly attacks it, if you dont believe me, try using youtube. and you dont KNOW that a gorilla can drag 2000lbs, you just THINK it can, stop tlaking out of your ass you fucking moron.
Posted @ Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:43 PM by djetanis
hey mr. alien. to answer your question, the problem with keeping a liger as a pet is not that they are agressive, they are actually pretty docile due to gene mutations when the two species interbreed, however feeding such a large animal 60lbs of raw meat a day doesnt come cheap, not to mention the space needed to keep it healthy, so i wouldnt suggest getting one unless youre really rich.
Posted @ Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:50 PM by djetanis
Oh no, I know that; That's why I said IF somebody one the lottery of like 50 million or more dollars. But, I mean, the only flaw at owning them is that if they want to play, they could snap you in half, by accident. LOLZ. And east; you said ligers are obese? Please look at the pictures on the net of ligers. You can easily see their muscle tone. Their weight AND SIZE comes for ma gene mutation called gigantism. They are pretty much as large or larger than both of their parents combined. Very funny. I wonder how much it hurts for the female tiger to push out such a big baby. Possible C- section, I'm guessing? I wasn’t really planning on getting one, though, unless of course, I one the Mega Millions, which my mom always keep attempting at it (it’s been 2 years  
 
of buying tickets before every drawing) and no luck. >.< We one the Mega Bowl, but we got two dollars. -.- I remember months ago, the lottery was very high; about 350 million. Damn, maybe even more. Someone in the Bronx won it. :P Close enough to my place on LI………..
Posted @ Friday, January 29, 2010 12:07 PM by MrAlien123456
LOL, what stupid mistake. 
 
 
 
I said "one", instead of "won".
Posted @ Friday, January 29, 2010 12:08 PM by MrAlien123456
east95 
 
Did you forget to take your meds? Why so much anger? It's funny how you keep saying that you're arguing with kids when you seem to act just like one. the anger and temper tantrum, the swearing and name-calling. Calm down hulk.
Posted @ Friday, January 29, 2010 3:10 PM by judge
-------------------------------------------------"The Incredible East"-------------------------------------------------------- 
 
 
 
He's a really incredible beast! 
 
 
 
 
 
Starring: 
 
- East as the "Incredible East" 
 
 
 
Don’t get him angry………. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Friday, January 29, 2010 3:53 PM by MrAlien123456
http://www.xinjo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/liger.jpg 
 
 
 
You're saying a gorilla could kill this thing? GJ at sizing up matches East! 
 
 
 
In East's world, gorillas can throw elephants, breath fire, and kill any animal they square off with!
Posted @ Friday, January 29, 2010 3:58 PM by MrAlien123456
MrAlien, Yeah I think east95's been watching too many King Kong vs <insert creature here> movies.
Posted @ Friday, January 29, 2010 4:29 PM by judge
Bwahaha. I bet you the hulk can kick king kong's @$$ any day.
Posted @ Friday, January 29, 2010 4:32 PM by Jo
Yes! In the King Kong Universe, gorillas grow 25 feet tall, use giant tree trunks as battering rams, and kill 3 Tyrannosauruses at a time.
Posted @ Friday, January 29, 2010 4:37 PM by MrAlien123456
NO IM NOT GETTING ANERY AND KING KONG CAN KILL THE HULK. ITS A FACT IVE SEEN E=WITH MY OWN FOUR EYES. I DONT HAVE GLASSES. BUT IVE SAID WAT I HAD TO SAY BUT ITS LIKE CONVINCING A RETARD ABOUT SOMETHING. ITS SOUNDS WRONG BUT THATS HOW IT FEELS LIKE. IN FACT ITS FUNNY ON HOE RETARTED ASS COCKS LIKE YOU GUYS LOL ASS COCKS! THINK YOU GUYS KNOW EVERYTHING. BUT ITS OK I KNOW IM RIGHT. P.S. THERES NO POINT IN WRITING BACK CAUSE IM NOT COMING ON THIS WEBSITE AGAIN FILLED WITH DUMBASSES HAHA SHIT. SEE YA IMA GET PUSSY WITCH YOU GUYS WINT NO LIFE KIDS HAHA
Posted @ Friday, January 29, 2010 5:15 PM by EAST95
O I FORGOT GUYS I FUCKED UR MOMS FOR BREAKFEAST LOL HAHAHA I CRACK MYSELF UP. NAW BUT FOR REAL I DID THEY WERE GOOD AS FUCK. XCEPT MrAlien123456 AND judge MOMS THIER PUSSY STINKS LIKE SHIT MIXED WITH SKUNK ASS LOL! AND Jo UR MOMS MOANING SOUNDS LIKE A MIX OF FERGIE AND JESUS LOL GOT THAT FROM STEP BROTHERS BUT ITS STILL FUNY AND VERY WELL TRUE. BYE BYE FAGGOTS O AND TELL UR MOMS TO CALL ME!
Posted @ Friday, January 29, 2010 5:27 PM by EAST95
Wow, East, you finally convinced all of us that you are a mere child. I already admitted I was fifteen a while back on different post, but I am not a child who uses profanity and think I'm top notch using caps lock all of the time to get what I want like a little baby.  
 
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! I FINK I MAID A POOPEE IN MAI PANTS MAMA!!!
Posted @ Friday, January 29, 2010 5:57 PM by MrAlien123456
East95, And you expect everyone to believe your claims after that tirade? So bitter and angry. Grow up kid. 
 
Funny how you call everyone else dumbasses when you can't spell: 
 
ANERY, HOE, RETARTED, WITCH,... 
 
Posted @ Friday, January 29, 2010 6:33 PM by Jo
Lol. Boy somebody seems so angry. hulk smash.
Posted @ Friday, January 29, 2010 6:38 PM by toby
@east95 
 
And there goes the temper tantrum. Make sure you hide all your breakables before you start flailing your arms and throwing things.
Posted @ Friday, January 29, 2010 6:46 PM by judge
East95-I'm no kid, I'm a Marine who currently works at Johnson Space Center(NASA) and a heavy weight boxer isn't near a strong enough comparison to use-I'M more strong than them-I was training for WSM but didn't continue with it but pursued my career at NASA to put food on the table WSM is something you have to have an extreme passion for, and mine isn't enough to have pursued it. THere are people who probably can outlift a gorilla in some strength events, and if you don't believe me, stop quoting animal planet, because they are one source I'm using to quote, the others I've provided below. I'm not going to re-type what I've written, so for east95's benefit so he can actually learn about gorilla's I will copy what I've already posted earlier: 
 
PM by east95-there is NO proof that a gorilla is any stronger than 7 times that of a person-an AVERAGE person at that, there are Scandinavians such as Magnus Ver Magnusson, Svend Karlson, Jon Pall Sigmarsson and Magnus Samuelsson who could most likely destroy a gorilla in strength feats.  
 
 
 
A bear cub(Grizzly) flipped a huge rock over that 7 men couldn't budge-that was only a cub! Grizzly is FAR more powerful than a gorilla and is the very symbol accross the world of strength-bears wrestle people because they can be "trained" to take it easy on people, but even then, people have gotten hurt, like Doug who owned Bart the Bear, a 1,600 lb Grizzly who was a star in "The Edge", "The Bear" and other movies. Grizzlys can and have lifted with ease far more weight than that-they have carried moose carcasses up mountains, do you know how heavy a moose is? Their upper body is tremendously powerful and they are far stronger than the smaller, weaker gorilla.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Here is REAL information on gorilla strength-they are about 2x stronger than a powerlifter.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Creation versus Evolution (http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi? Gorilla's are not 20x stronger than Humans, and are not constantly training within their wild habitats.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
There are many aspects involved with lifting strength, and a main part of training involves the muscular memory of you muscles coordinating with one another for the best result.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
And comparing arm strength between a human and a gorilla is an apples to oranges scenario. Human's primary strength is lower body and hips, whereas the gorilla is primarily upper-body.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Gorillas are also very ill-equipped for overhead lifting capabilities, the world's strongest man could undoubtedly defeat a Gorilla in a contest of overhead lifting, but that does not make the Gorilla weaker than the human, it's all about how the two species were made, and adapted for.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Humans walk on two legs, meaning our thighs and calves take the force single-handedly, whereas Gorillas walk on both hands and legs, placing part of their pressure on their knuckles.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In terms of combat, a Gorilla would tear apart a human no matter what the scenario was. The bone density of a Gorilla is immense, they can take numerous blows to their thick skulls that would be normally fatal to a humanaction=msg&f=14&t=1376&m=1 and http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1376&m=196) is a discussion forum. LudoRaphaim says that there may have been no study to determine a gorilla’s strength. One book says it is 4-8 times stronger than a man, while the "Animal face off" show says it is 20 times stronger and LudoRaphaim says it is 20 times stronger in its upper body. Nigel Marvin says it is 5 times stronger. "The Most Extreme" on Animal Planet suggested that a gorilla may be eight times as strong as an Olympic weight lifter. A gorilla may deadlift twice as much as the world's strongest human, but that is also unproven as far as tests that have been done-it may well be the case that the strongest human is stronger than a Silverback, but this is 1 from billions, on average there is simply no contest.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Thomas M. Greiner (http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-07/995155256.Zo.r.html) considers the problems of defining gorilla strength. He says that most human strength activities, such as weight lifting, involve a degree of skill as well as strength. It is possible that a human could bench press more weight than a gorilla, but that a could tear the arms off the human. Gorillas and humans have variable strengths. The gorilla has very strong arms, compared to a person, although some people do have bigger arms than a gorilla.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
One reader (Abortion) at http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-19908.html says that the gorilla is 20 times stronger than an average adult human. African Wildlife Foundation (http://www.awf.org/content/wildlife/detail/mountaingorilla) says that a mountain gorilla is about 10 times stronger - than the biggest American football players.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Looking at this conflicting information, it seems that a silverback gorilla is 5-20 times as strong as a human and that 7-8 times seems to be a fair estimate. A general principle in biology is that the basic unit of muscle activity (the sarcomere) is pretty much the same in all animals. That means that the muscle of any animal is just as powerful as the muscle of any other animal. What differs between animals is how the sarcomeres are arranged, and how many of them are dedicated to a particular action. This is a  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
difference of biomechanics. By way of comparison, you could put a 500 horsepower engine in a race car and in a tractor. The engine in both vehicles is equally powerful. However, the tractor uses that power to pull heavy objects but not to go fast, while the race car uses that power to go fast but it cannot pull much weight. So, the two vehicles are just as powerful, even though there is no way to compare their performance. Your  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
human and gorilla comparison would produce a similar result. The two creatures may be equally powerful, but they are completely unequal in their abilities.  
 
 
 
Also to be noted is gorillas die very easily by gunshot as the stupid africans who poach them do all the time-bears on the other hand often kill the same people who shot them multiple times with big bore high caliber rifles-they are far more tough to kill, wound or put down than a gorilla who is easily put down, thats why they are hacked to death by machettes as well. Grizzly would destroy the gorilla, not only are they stronger, but are killers-their name says it all-"Ursus Horribilis". Its a tank of the animal world, and its right here on our own continent! They have an extremely high tolerance to pain, but can sure dish it out-they would maul, kill and eat the gorilla and that would be the end.  
 
 
 
Posted @ Friday, January 29, 2010 8:19 PM by ATTILA
well it looks like we all agree on two things. first, grizzly bear kills gorilla, and second, east 95 is a prepubescent idiot. does that pretty much sum it up?
Posted @ Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:25 AM by djetanis
You should see what he wrote on the Siberian Tiger vs. Silverback Gorilla. He really broke out in whining and screaming. He sounded very juvenile (trying to dis people's mothers). LOLZ  
 
I think he hates every animal, except gorillas......... 
 
he even tried making a "new poster", and tried talking like a "badass" about how a gorilla could kill a tiger. I also remember the guy "Assy N***a". I have a feeling that he was East, as well. He was the one commenting on the thread of Baboon vs. Wolverine, and kept saying how a baboon would kill a wolverine, when first off, wolverines have stronger jaws, thicker bones, and have documented kill more than a share of what 3 baboons ever did. On his very last post, he commented in capital letters; around the same time East started to use them, as well. He also had quite a few grammatical errors, and even said that “He had a friend who got part of his lip torn off by a 5lb monkey.” A quote from “Wild Recon”………. I think monkeys are strong, but the New World monkeys have shown more acts of being a dangerous foe that Old World monkeys have. Probably showing how they’re more aggressive, as well as being stronger than Old World monkeys, pound for pound. If you ever saw the episode of “Untamed and Uncut” where a spider monkey nearly ripped a 13 year old girls face off, and it required a good 1-3 fully grown men to ply the animal off of her…….. Never saw that happen with a baboon. The only documented case of a baboon killing a human was a baby that was in him/her bedroom, sleeping and the window was open, giving the monkey a chance to grab, and kill her (apparently, the baboon thought it was a young goat). 
 
Posted @ Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:55 PM by MrAlien123456
im a fag ima suck east95 s huge cock. but he is not gay and knows about animals i love him
Posted @ Monday, February 01, 2010 10:19 PM by MrAlien123456
i stink like ass cuz im a nigger and my moms pussy is so big cuz she a hoe and ima fuck her. i have no friends that pretty much sums it god ima fag
Posted @ Monday, February 01, 2010 10:21 PM by djetanis
im a dumb ass kid!!!!!
Posted @ Monday, February 01, 2010 10:23 PM by ATTILA
i have no life cuz im a fag
Posted @ Monday, February 01, 2010 10:25 PM by judge
jus call me the gay kid on the block moma plz suck my dick
Posted @ Monday, February 01, 2010 10:26 PM by toby
here is my small dick 8+D i have a chode
Posted @ Monday, February 01, 2010 10:28 PM by jo
u dwont wike mee when im angway  
 
 
 
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!! 
 
MOMMYYYYYYYYYY DER BING MEEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEE
Posted @ Monday, February 01, 2010 10:59 PM by east95
very nice attempt at trying to be an imposter. not only did your horrible spelling give u away but also your incredible stupidity. All you've done is further prove to us that you are a pathetic, moronic, prepubescent idiot who reverts to being a child when someone presents a better argument then him. good job buddy, bravo. good luck finding your way in the real world because with an attitude like that, people are going to be walking all over you.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:05 AM by djetanis
East95-don't ever post using my name you little punk, like that post above-in real life if you tried this crap in person, you'd be beaten as fast as the gorilla would be against the Grizzly, and I'd be wearing your teeth on a necklace-but you get away with it girly-man because you're safe behind your little computer.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:34 AM by ATTILA
hahaha why u getting so mad ATTILA hahaha
Posted @ Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:40 PM by east95
no im 6'7 300 lbs of muscle so im going to walk on them and how old are you djetanis like 30 living in ur moms house still hahaha
Posted @ Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:42 PM by east95
im gay!!! i stil ive at my moms house.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:44 PM by djetanis
o who ever did that comment with my name was not funny. i have a sense of humor but that wasnt even funny. im not mad but who ever did that could do better than that.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:46 PM by east95
i think im a badass cuz im telling people i would fight them if i saw them!!! i a little punk who sucks dick and cant fight!! there you go ATTILA i did it again what the fuck are you gunna do about it bitch. thats right nothing
Posted @ Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:49 PM by ATTILA
300lbs of muscle my ass. people with 300lbs of muscle dont talk like u do.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:04 PM by djetanis
Ooh lok at me, im a little skinny sjhit faghgot who cant speill an has to lie about his size to get attention. i liike sucking cock and getting pounded in teh asshole. fuck my ass pleazze!!
Posted @ Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:07 PM by east95
Wow, east, I never knew you were so...... well.....homosexual. As the prior comment indicates, you apparently like sucking penis and prefer gettng anal from other men........ 
 
 
 
LOL AND 300lbs of muscle, East? AHHAHAHAHA  
 
 
 
More like 300 grams of muscle.......... 
 
 
 
300 grams= .66 lbs
Posted @ Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:06 PM by MrAlien123456
wow east95, i geuss you just had to come out the closet eh. so wats your preference, are you into giant elephant cocks or just pencil dicks of your own size. Although really i always figured you were a faggot from the minute you opened your prepube mouth. And I know that you will respond with some stupid shit like "Yous a fat niggers tat fukz hi s mom fuck your mom nao BYe and live wit you re mo m", but you know what, I don't care, your just some stupid kid who acts tough on the internet. So go ahead, make my day.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:43 PM by djetanis
I would just love to find out this little bitch's IP address, then he'd be in real deep shit 'cause we would all know where he lives. probably wouldn't be so cocky in person either.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:48 PM by djetanis
He's probably a wimpy, homeless, person, that keeps moving his RV all around the world, since he's a dickless little wimp, making so many enemies, on his campaign. 
 
Posted @ Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:59 PM by MrAlien123456
I dont think hes homeless, after all he seams to be able to won his own computer, hes probably just another stupid american kid who thinks he can act tough just 'cause he's got a rich daddy. Although i wonder how much his daddy will back him up after he finds out he's a cock craving faggot.
Posted @ Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:11 AM by djetanis
im a faggot djetanis your the one who takes cock up in the ass and ur not american wat are you then? go america!
Posted @ Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:54 PM by east95
MrAlien123456 how do you think im homeless? i wouldnt have a computer or anything if i was homeless. man man. i feel bad for your mom
Posted @ Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:58 PM by east95
djetanis i would whip the shit out of you if i saw you in person. im not joking im not saying this becuz im behind the computer. i know mma and im a real good boxer. im trying to go pro so i dont think finding out where i live and trying to fgiht me is such a good idea
Posted @ Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:02 PM by east95
Homeless people can have computers; really stupid ones, like you...... 
 
I bet you carry around a laptop mini, and sleep outside stores that have WiFi connection. 
 
 
 
And BTW, I don't know a pro boxer who would have a temper tantrum, like a baby, like the one you just had…….. You could probably make a good kick boxer, considering that you kick and scream all of the time when you don’t get something you want, like the pre-pubescent creature you are………  
 
Did someone make a poopoo?
Posted @ Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:13 PM by MrAlien123456
Time for a diaper change, East.
Posted @ Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:14 PM by MrAlien123456
holy crap east95 is 6 ft 7 and 300 pounds, we better be carefull. 
 
anyway the grizzly wins, pound for pound the gorrila is probably stronger but the bear is bigger and stronger. if the gorrila was smart it would run obviously. 
 
the Attila, are you serious? a gorilla is 7.5x as strong as an adult men, where did you get 20 from? an elephant, which is the worlds strongest land animal, is about 22x strong as a men. 
 
a grizzly however, in about 13x as strong. the polar bear, which is the stongest land carnivore of all is 15x as strong as a men. the siberian tiger is 11.5x as strong, a lion is 10 x as strong and the jaguar is 6x as strong. 
 
now if I put all of these animals on the same weight, at 500 pounds: 
 
jaguar would be 13.6x as strong 
 
lion would be 11.9x as strong 
 
tiger would be 11.5 as strong 
 
gorilla would be 11x as strong 
 
grizzly would be 9.3x as strong 
 
polar bear would be 8.3x as strong 
 
elephant would be 1.2x as strong 
 
so its clear that pound for pound big cats are the strongest off all, and gorrilas are stonger then bears. And for animals its own size, an elephant is quite weak.
Posted @ Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:58 PM by mr animalia
I tought I already mentioned this East you fucktard, I'm Canandian, why the fuck would I wanna be American you guys are already hated by half the entire world anyways. And I don't believe for a fucking second that you are the 300lb MMA boxer you say you are, Iknow some MMA fighters, and they arent whiny faggots like you, so instead of acting like a hard ass beefcake, why dont you show us some proof that you are really who u say u are
Posted @ Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:45 PM by djetanis
East is just another internet tough guy http://www.clubfuji.com/Ash/a%20InternetToughGuy.jpg
Posted @ Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:48 PM by djetanis
So what exactly are you saying mr animalia? Are you on the grizzlys side or the gorillas? A bear would obviously get much stronger on average and both animals are aggressive, but as i said on the grizzly vs tiger link, theres no stopping an enragged grizzly or a confident/determind grizzly. No chance for the gorilla end of story this isnt even that great of a fight since its so clear who would win. No explaination is needed to back it up.
Posted @ Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:49 PM by lion man
Hey mr animalia, your calculations are good and all, but you forgot one thing, as an animal gets smaller, it gets stronger in relation to its size, which is why insects like ants and beetles can lift weights 100x their own. so really the elephant would be around 6x the strebtgh of a man at a weigth of 500 lbs
Posted @ Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:53 PM by djetanis
LIon man, I am saying that a Grizzly shouldn't have much trouble against a gorilla. A gorilla is not a fighter. But if a leopard can kill a gorilla I'm sure a grizzly can too.  
 
The silverback gorilla is very over rated on this site, I mean it is strong, but puttung it in a fight against a tiger or grizzly will just destoy the poor ape. 
 
the reason I calculated the power of these beasts is because some guy named East95 very overestimates the power of the gorilla
Posted @ Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:14 PM by mr animalia
An expert says the gorrila is no match for a bear: 
 
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Interspecies-Conflict-3754/2009/11/Mountain-Gorilla-vs-Grizzly.htm 
 
hilarious video Btw :D
Posted @ Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:54 PM by Mr animalia
Actually, Mr. Animalia, you did not include the effect o what mass, weight and gravity all have on an animals body. If an elephant were scaled down to the size of a tiger it would be IMMESNLY STRONG. An elephant already has to be durable, if it is sustaining such massive bulk and weight. If an elephant were the size of a tiger, it would probably range from 10-13xs stronger than the average human. The average man can life about .3- .75xs their own body weight. The elephant, even at it's massive size, can lift 25% of it's own body weight, which would also be .25xs their own body weight, but if we were to say the average African elephant bull male is about 5 tons, and the average man is about 170lbs, then the African elephant would be about 59xs as heavy as an average adult man. And so, we can try and scale that down. Losing mass can really mean gaining more strength to body ratio. It can lead to animal in about "the ten or more times stronger" range. Just like if you sclaed a Hercules beetle up (can lift many time its own weight), they may still be about 3-5xs stronger than the average man, because, they are already average about 5 inches in length and can lift a larger amount of weight in comparison to their body, than an ant can; about 500-850xs their own body weight. The beetle, at its final stage can weigh about 100 grams. So it's plausible to say that an animal that size can be scaled to the size of a man and still be able to maintain it's body mass, if it were to receive a LOT of oxygen in its environment.
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:35 AM by MrAlien123456
I HAVE THUMBS. CAN I BEAT A BEAR????
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:51 AM by Danny
djetanis the only reson im be a hadrass is becuz i have a reson to. and why hate on america. the only reason other nations dont like us is becuz they dont like what what we have. they are jealous. we cant help that were the best nation. no americans gives a fuck if half the world likes us or not.so they could just envy us! you bitch ass Canandian! no one gives a fuck about canada.A!!!! hahaha A! fuck canada u guys are just so jealous.
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:22 PM by east95
mr animalia you should be carefull
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:26 PM by east95
MrAlien123456 do you think calling me a baby is a gunna hear my feelings. you have bad jokes. bad comebacks.
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:28 PM by east95
i meant hurt
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:30 PM by east95
MrAlien123456 i i was homeless. and had a laptop. i would sell it for money so i could get food. any homeless person would do that. i have a computer so... im not homeless. FAGGGOT!!!
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:34 PM by east95
if i was homeless is wat i meant to say
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:35 PM by east95
mr animalia where did you get all your information on how strong those animals are?? and im not being overated on gorillas. most people underestimate. grizzlys are the overated ones on this website. most people voted bears and tigers vs gorillas. so.. gorillas are very underestimated. but most people dont know anything on this website such as djetanis and MrAlien123456 wich are bitches ass fags who take cock to the ass everyday by thier momz!!
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:50 PM by east95
Nope, I just wanted to say the obvious, so imbecilic invalids, that are recently breaking a menstrual cycle, like you, can understand it in terms they would be able to comprehend. 
 
 
 
Ooooohhhh, you called me a “faggot“; I should really be scared……. NOT………… 
 
And if you were homeless, you’d be too half- witted to sell your laptop. You’d, instead, use a knife to cut it open and eat the wires connecting to the motherboard. BTW, I recall you apparently stating that you will never return to this forum, again? What happened; just couldn’t resist having another temper tantrum, or was a menstrual cycle calling your inner beast? 
 
 
 
Although I had my arguments and my own set of words for Mr. Animalia, in the past, I don’t see why “he should be careful” or to be put into words you would use “he shwood be carfew”. Is that a threat? Because I don’t think a mentally impaired child would be much of a threat, considering that you also probably live on the other side of the country.
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:09 PM by MrAlien123456
MrAlien123456 no its not a threat i was jus messing with him. and i couldnt resist talking about ur mom and my son wich is YOU. and he shwood be carfew yea cuz i said just like that bitch. and calling you a faggot is not to make you scared. but to tell you the truth about ur self. just come out the closet. its okay if your gay. no one cares lol o i was reading these comments and you have been on this websit since september. wat a no life. haha
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:23 PM by east95
o and tell me how im having a tantrum. im just talking about ur mom. thats all not a tantrum. hahaha. u have no comebacks or jokes so i think your the one who is having the tantrum.
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:27 PM by east95
east 95, 
 
do you know that when a whole gorilla family meets a single leopard it's the gorilla who backs up? A poor gorilla would stand a chance against either tiger or grizzly. at the same weight they are about equal in strenght but note this: 
 
Largest gorilla: 630 lbs 
 
Largest tiger: 1025 lbs 
 
Largest grizzly: 1492 lbs 
 
so my gues is, that when both gorilla and grizzly would be on there largest, a grizzly would be twice as strong. And making the gorilla face a siberian tiger and grizzly bear is just a clear sign off overestimation. Leopards and black bears, those will put up a good fight. but a grizzly? that match would be as short as a wrestling match between John cena and Jamie noble. gorilla are smart, and they will not attack a grizzly, they now better. 
 
I believe even a female grizzly is to much for a male gorilla, esspecially when she is defending her little cubs. 
 
Coastal Grizzly Bear beats Muontian Gorilla, its not an opinion, its a fact.
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:28 PM by mr animalia
oo and you look like a real nerd saying all those words. i know ur a nerd. i bet you have glasses. and is real fat or is real skinny. o and i bet you wear xbox shirts to school. hahaha. and is a virgin. haha ur prob siting there like how did he know?? hahaha
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:30 PM by east95
And one more thing: 
 
you are saying that they under estimate the gorilla? Making gorilla's fight tigers and grizzly bears is a clear sign of over estimation. The pole just means that most people who vote, use commen sense. 
 
Silverback gorilla's who sometimes get killed by leopards, wouldn't stand a crap chance against a full grown male grizzly 
 
If a grizzly can break an elks nech in one or two swipes, it could easily kill a grizzly.
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:36 PM by mr animalia
I'm a virgin because I'm fifteen, you imbecile. And I do have a girlfriend, ATM. My relationship with her began about two months ago..... And yet, you're a pre-pubescent child, who never managed to grow a penis, in development, as an embryo, and so, you are angry at yourself, and got a sex change. Congrats; you're experiencing your first menstrual cycle, East. You’re finally growing up into a bratty, man-woman. You are lost about which sex you really are; aren’t you? And fat? You wish……. 
 
Xbox shirts? No thanks. I play Xbox LIVE, with my friends, but the majority of the boys in my school do have Xbox LIVE accounts, so it’s nothing to be ashamed of……..
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:43 PM by MrAlien123456
why dont u jus fuck ur ugly girlfriend or she doesnt want your small dick. if you even have one. she prob jus went out wit you becuz she felt bad. hahaha and stop with the lame jokes god ur so bad at comebacks for real!
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:33 PM by east95
mr animalia it is your opinion. have you ever seen a grizzly fight a gorilla? no didnt think so. and when you compare weights your are doing the obese. what does obese prove? and weight is nothing at all. and gorillas prob do back up. but that doesnt mean anything what so ever. the gorilla rarly gets into fights. it more of a peace maker. but is able to kill with ease when provoked. and grizzlys have been scared off by wolverines. but what does that prove?
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:40 PM by east95
o and by the way i lost my virginity at 14 so you need to get some. people i know lost it around my age. hurry up before your the 40 yr old virgin.
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:06 PM by east95
HAHAHAHA!!!! Thats classic east95 LMFAO!!! That was funny. But anyway about the fight, it doesnt make you a geek if someone knows about wildlife. I know alot about wildlife and so what?! A geek is somebody who sits at home and does there homework 24/7. Knowing about the environment is a gift and strength with some people. A grizzly doesnt even need to fight a gorilla to win, watch how both animals fight. 
 
 
 
Grizzly bear 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFtAEM7GkO4&feature=channel 
 
 
 
Silverback gorilla 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZItE4FQU784 
 
 
 
A gorilla looks so clumsy when it fights. As for grizzlys, they look devastatingly powerful and strong. A gorilla wouldnt stand a chance in a fight with a grizzly so stop wasting energy arguing about it.
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:28 PM by lion man
East95, you dont even have any evidance to back up your vote and comments your just bitching and making yourself look like a dumb ass, you should be embarassed man. That doesnt look good. So fuck off!!
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:31 PM by lion man
Look at this document i have about very large grizzlys. 
 
 
 
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.riverhousecanada.com/images/telkwa_grizzly.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.riverhousecanada.com/phantom_grizzly.htm&usg=__XFtP2NH6PgB3PRi3Ysr-rd-MVxg=&h=768&w=1024&sz=67&hl=en&start=74&itbs=1&tbnid=Y9cP3xsRzZ67hM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgrizzly%2Bbear%2Bteeth%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D63 
 
 
 
Most of large bears in the wild arent obese, just really big and strong.
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:07 PM by lion man
You know East, i like you, you know, cause you don't quit (even if your comebacks do make you look like an idiot, i mean seriously, you called me a fagot like 9 times and so far the only one who looks like one is you) but a word to the wise, you should be nice to nerds, because chances are a nerd is going to be giving you your paycheck when you're older. Also, if you had any life experience, which you dont, you would know that no girl is going to go out with a guy for 2 months out of mercy. 1 maybe 2 dates at the max. but not a relationship. So stop talking out of your ass with your supposed "facts" and suck my big fat giant Cock and GROW A PAIR YOU WHINY BITCH
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:34 PM by djetanis
Also, youre tho one who comments most on this thread so really whos the one with no life. And I would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS be jealous of being american, almost half of the US is obese anyways so chances are youre a 300lb sweaty fat kid, which would explain why you cant type, must be hard with those fat-ass fingers.
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:39 PM by djetanis
No person has ever measured the strength of a gorilla. A 400 pound silverback gorilla might be as strong as a 400 pound silvertip grizzly ( which is a small grizzly ). However, the bear's fighting ability would probably overwhelm the great ape.
Posted @ Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:45 PM by Toby Ross
You're right about no test has been done on gorilla's, but experts and information I've posted way above on this thread concluded a gorilla is about 7-8X stronger than the average person-an average gorilla is around 330-30 lbs-the Grizzly is stronger, but yeah, his fighting style is superior and they have far more experience at it. Just think how strong a Grizzly has to be in order to fight and kill bison, moose, and caribou, let alone run 35 mph! Definately the Grizzly would overwhelm the gorilla, I have no doubt of this.
Posted @ Friday, February 05, 2010 1:48 AM by ATTILA
yep attila and lion man, its true 
 
an avergae 600 lb grizzly would be nearly twice as strong as an average 340 lb gorilla. The fact is that even a female grizzly would be to much for the gorilla. the females who get approxiatly the same wtg are better armed. well they both have a crushing bite. But while the grizzly has 5 inch claws the gorilla has what we have, fingernails. And the grizzly can run at a top speed 35 mph. While a gorilla runs at a top speed of only 25 mph. 
 
So my gues would be that the when the gorilla would see a grizzly it would run, if it was forced to fight it would lose.
Posted @ Friday, February 05, 2010 7:01 AM by mr animalia
Naturalists who study gorillas have concluded that the silverback never retreats. Not even against overwhelming odds such as poachers. That 600 pound grizzly that Mr.Animalia spoke of, which could mangle a lion or a tiger, could easily kill a 340 pound gorilla. This is true.  
 
But, in a face-off between a 400 pound gorilla and a 400 pound grizzly, I believe that the gorilla would put up a damn good fight. However, the apex carnivore, the grizzly, would kill the gorilla in perhaps 8 out of 10 fights. The fighting style of the gorilla is also a bit of a mystery. Fights between bulls are very ritualistic and might be differant than the way the great ape fights a predator.  
 
Posted @ Friday, February 05, 2010 10:56 AM by Toby Ross
yes, i have to agree with toby, a gorilla would definately put up a very good fight when both animals are of equal size, but the grizzly would still win, although perhaps not without a few injuries, but grizzlies are used to being injured all the time, they are extremely resilient.
Posted @ Friday, February 05, 2010 5:11 PM by djetanis
In a fight between a 400lbs grizzly and a 400lbs gorilla, they would both have alot of muscle and strength but of course the grizzly will have more since it is a predator and the grizzly has more and deadlier weapons. Yes, a gorilla would put up a good fight but the grizzly would come out of it scratched but victorious.
Posted @ Friday, February 05, 2010 7:56 PM by lion man
I am strongly against pit fights. But, if by some strange circumstance this fight actually took place in a natural environment...Wow! This would be something to see.
Posted @ Friday, February 05, 2010 9:53 PM by Toby Ross
I do not agree that the grizzly being a carnivore makes him stronger. In fact, I believe that being omnivorous is what gave the grizzly superior strength over the big cats. If you look at a big cat from the side, he appears very muscular. But, from a frontal view, he is flat ( no bulk ). This is because cats are adapted to slinking through brush. Big cats are designed for stealth, speed, agility, and jumping. Bears are built like bulls and rhinos for brute strength. Because a grizzly is omnivorous and not a true predator, he can be a brute because he has no need of the agility and leaping powers of a big cat. Thus, the grizzly is a true brute and much more powerful than a lion or a tiger. 
 
The strength of a gorilla has yet to be measured, but I have no doubt that the great ape's upper body strength is superior to a big cat of equal weight.
Posted @ Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:19 AM by Toby Ross
this is no contest, a tiger, lion or jaguar could beat a gorilla. big cats are like a combo of a tank and a race car, speed and brutal power. like a combo of a bunny and a T-Rex. A tiger can crimple a brown bear in a single blow and pull a +3000 pound gaur for miles, zhich 13 fullgrown men would not be able to do. gorilla get killed by leopard, how much trouble can it form against a tiger? even when a whole gorilla family meets a single leopard its the grorilla's that back up. 
 
Tiger kills grizzly, grizzly kills gorilla, tiger kills gorilla.
Posted @ Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:30 PM by mr animalia
Leopards do not attack bull gorillas. That would be suicide. A gorilla could also easily kill a mere jaguar. A tiger is a strong athlete, but not a brute. The grizzly is by far the stronger. A 400 pound gorilla has more upper body strength than a lion or tiger of same weight.  
 
If a tiger can drag the gaur for two miles, a grizzly could drag it six miles. But the grizzly will not drag it. The grizzly knows that no other predator is going to take it from him. 
 
Posted @ Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:39 PM by Toby Ross
leopards do attack and kill fullgrown male gorilla's, go learn something and then post. 
 
and pound for pound a tiger has more muscle then grizzly or gorilla, its a simple fact that anyone who is into animals, should now. 
 
And so tyou are telling me a grizzly is 3 times as strong as a tiger, well if a tiger is as strong as 13 men, and elephant is as strong as 20 men. I believe you are saying a grizzly is twice as strong as an elephant? what an idiot. siberian and bengal tiger are king of beast. A kodiak or a polar bear could pull out a good fight, but a grizzly or gorrila won't be a challenge at all. 
 
Pound for pound big cats are the worlds most supreme predators.
Posted @ Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:26 PM by Mr animalia
Mr animalia so who do you think would win between a tiger or grizzly?
Posted @ Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:10 PM by east95
my Mr animalia i just rea your comment about tigers killing a grizzly. and i have to say you kind of favor the tiger. and you say one swipe from a tiger could kill a grizzly.wrong. a grizzly can take max force to the head. there have been snipers shooting a bear twice in the head and not dieing. grizzlys have a thick skull. so the tiger trying to kill a grizzly with one swipe isnt going to do anything. animal face grizzly vs tiger. look it up on you tube. its an animated fight. but experts vote to see who would win and the grizzly won. so cats arnt the most supreme predators.
Posted @ Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:16 PM by east95
lion man i never said that if you knew about wildlife you are a geek. i love to learn about wildlife to and im not a geek. and you dont realy know anything much becuz in the other link you said that a tiger would lose agaisnt a lion. wen the tiger is bigger and stronger. and is about the same in agile. and the tiger has a stronger bite. so the tiger wins so you dont know anything!
Posted @ Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:23 PM by east95
djetanis americans are fat becuz we have money bitch. we got more money than you. you guys have a stupid accent to. aboot. why you jus say about say it the right way. and a!!! that shit is annoying A!!!!
Posted @ Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:31 PM by east95
djetanis i have a big pair jus ask MrAlien123456's mom she tell you how i have a big cock and big balls!
Posted @ Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:35 PM by east95
The reason that a tiger struggles so hard to drag away a deer or a cow that he has managed to kill is bgecause he is affraid that a grizzly will come along and take it away from him.  
 
400 pound grizzly beats 400 pound gorilla after a hard struggle.  
 
Lion beats tiger. 
 
Grizzly beats lion. 
 
Grizzly beats tiger. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:49 PM by Toby Ross
I agree 100% with Toby Ross. Anyone who thinks that the average gorilla could kill the average grizzly is horribly WRONG! I dont need to explain why considering that it is clear as day.
Posted @ Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:18 PM by lion man
toby ross you are an idiot, first of all tiger don't live with grizzly bears so how is a tiger suppose to fear a grizzly when they live in differ continents?  
 
And a grizzly bear isn't that confident after its kill. because a wolf pack sometimes follows a grizzly and takes its prey, even cougars have killed grizzly bears before. I am not saying a grizzly would lose from a cougar, i said couagrs sometimes kills them. 
 
Tiger beats grizzly with ease 
 
lions beats grizzly with some struggle 
 
tiger beats lion after hard struggle. 
 
all 3 beat gorilla 
 
And lion man, I agree you don't need a long explaination for gorilla vs grizzly
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 12:29 AM by Mr animalia
Mr animalia SHOW ME SOME PROOF THAT A GRIZZLY GOT KILLED FROM A COUGAR.
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 12:49 AM by EAST95
holy moly.. 
 
Animal fight club?? 
 
more like Insanely intense somewhat frightening, somewhat sad, animal nerd fight club... 
 
heh,,  
but my money goes to the Grizzly, ..unless..  
the gorilla manages to throw a big hot turd right in the grizzly's eye. 
 
ouch.. 
 
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:44 AM by Bear having sex with Gorilla
Who are these children talking about their little boy parts? This is supposed to be about grizzly vs gorilla.
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:18 AM by Toby Ross
Mr animalia, yes grizzlys have been chased away from there kill from wolves, but it usually happens the other way around. 1 young grizzly can stand up to alot of wolve and win. But somwtimes a young bear will be overwhelmed and retreat.  
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzfYsIC8ufs 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5Y5OgCr0k 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asfpm1R7HJo 
 
 
 
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 12:22 PM by lion man
I recently watched "Wild Russia". They said that wolves, when there are enough of them, take kills away from both brown bears and tigers. Of course, I didn't need to hear some professional researcher say this, as it falls under the catergory of "common sense". But there are those who wouldn't know their right shoe from their left shoe without documentation. There is strength in numbers.
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:06 PM by Toby Ross
MrAnimalia. No researcher has ever seen a leopard kill a bull gorilla. This has never been documented. I doubt very seriously that it has ever happened.  
 
Muscle mass seems to be a popular topic here. There is more involved in strength than muscle mass. First of all, it is about the percentage of muscle apposite other body mass. A rhinoceras might have less muscle mass than a bobcat. Which is stronger? Also, very important is the skeletal framework of the animal. How strong are the bones and in what design are they?  
 
It appears to me that the gorilla has a better design for strength than the leopard with is ( like all cats ) designed for stealth and agility. The grizzly is designed for brute strength. As an omnivorous carnivore, he grizzly bears gave up stealth and agility for pure power.  
 
In pure strength, the grizzly comes first, then the gorilla, with the leopard trailing behind with the other big cats.
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:22 PM by Toby Ross
Here's a little advice for all the people on this site who call each other "fags" and "bitches" and "retards" etc etc.. 
 
 
YOU ARE ON A SITE THAT DEBATES FANTASY ANIMAL FIGHTS... 
ANYONE WHO CALLS SOMEONE NAMES ON THIS SITE, IS A HUMONGOUS LAME RIDICULOUS "FAG" FOR EVEN CALLING PEOPLE NAMES ON A SITE WHICH IS ABOUT FANTASY ANIMAL BATTLES.. 
 
Where's your sense of pride people? lol 
 
I mean geez.. cool your jets there tough guys.. ha ha. 
Wouldn't want you guys to get your panty hose all rustled up.. 
 
But no offense intended! 
(I heard one guy on here say he's an MMA fighter!!... Whooeee! I'd rather mess with the grizzly..) 
 
Unless your under 12 years old.. don't call people names on the internet.. just a little tip.. if you do wish to actually have a girlfriend one day. 
 
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:23 PM by Faggot
Ursus arctos is the ultimate carnivore. Even though the mighty gorilla is my favorite animal, I know that he would lose against the awesome grizzly bear.
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:30 PM by Toby7 Ross
This arguement is so pointless now. A grizzly WILL kill a gorilla. It much larger, much stronger and MUCH more aggressive overall so its stupid to disagree with me.
Posted @ Sunday, February 07, 2010 7:46 PM by lion man
this was never a fair fight to begin with.
Posted @ Monday, February 08, 2010 1:30 AM by djetanis
We can go with the inland grizzly here. The inland grizzly is roughly the same size as the bull gorilla. Both the silvertip grizzly and the silverback gorilla weigh roughly 400 pounds.  
 
Now, having said this, I know that a certain someone is going to pull out his slide-rule and notebook.
Posted @ Monday, February 08, 2010 5:26 AM by Toby Ross
Actually, the inland grizzly weight of the male averages about 480lbs, not 400lbs, without their winter fat included. And even the silverback gorilla of the Eastern gorilla species averages 375lbs; 325-400lbs is the average range of a Eastern gorilla male (the largest of the two gorilla species).
Posted @ Monday, February 08, 2010 11:15 AM by MrAlien123456
*I just knew that someone would pull out his slide-rule and note-book.
Posted @ Monday, February 08, 2010 11:48 AM by Toby Ross
Faggot i am a mma fighter. i would show you my skills on you if you want me to and im not 12. im 22.
Posted @ Monday, February 08, 2010 6:48 PM by east95
You might be 22 East Boy, but you have the maturity of a 9 year old. When I was 22, I was already an ex-marine and a Viet Nam veteran. Grow up and talk like a mature adult. Your gutter mouth does not impress anyone.
Posted @ Monday, February 08, 2010 6:52 PM by Toby Ross
im not trying to impress anyone. and wat does you being a marine have to do with anything? but if these kids are trying to talk crap to me im not going to sit there and say nothing so you could just close your mounth.
Posted @ Monday, February 08, 2010 10:30 PM by east95
So, who here thinks that a 400 pound silverback gorilla can take on a 400 pound silvertip grizzly bear? Of all the fights posted here, and if this fight, in some strange way, took place naturally, this is the fight that I would want to witness.  
 
I believe that the grizzly would win, even though I will be cheering for the gorilla.  
 
 
 
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:23 AM by Toby Ross
They stand bipedal, measuring each other up and down. The 400 pound grizzly and the 400 pound gorilla. Then, they both drop onto all fours and charge. 
 
The silvertip is armed with powerful arms and sharp claws. The silverback has longer arms that are equally as strong. They clash like two Sumo wrestlers.  
 
They hit with hammer-like blows. Their bite-forse is as equal as their upper-body strength. This fight could go either way.  
 
But on this day, the gorilla bites down on the back of the grizzly bear's neck with a bite-force stronger than the bite of a tiger. The fight is over. 
 
Kongo places a foot upon the carcass of the dead grizzly. He lifts his face towards the blue sky and screams the victory cry of the bull ape.
Posted @ Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:47 AM by Toby Ross
At natural weight, the grizzly bear wins no contest 
 
At equal weights, I would still favour of the bear,60/40 
 
Bear advatages 
 
- Long claws 
 
- Aggression 
 
- Durable to injuries 
 
- Denser Bones 
 
Gorilla advatages 
 
- Smarter 
 
- Hand like grip 
 
- Higher jaw force 
 
- Larger Arms 
 
 
 
I'd slighly favout the bear, close call though
Posted @ Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:14 PM by Zackerdy
The grizzly is very near to primate intelligence. So brains will matter little here. Bite force equal. I take it that this is an even match...both beasts perhaps 400 pounds.  
 
The gorilla's strength has never been measured. But my guess is the great ape is about equal is brute strength with the brown bear. The grizzly has long claws. The gorilla has a powerful grip.  
 
I believe that the grizzly would win, but this is no sure bet.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:14 PM by Toby
The Bite force of a grizzly is 800 psi, the Gorillas is 1200 psi which is even to that from a tiger. 
 
A gorilla is far more intelligent than a grizzly. 
 
Top 10 smartest animals 
 
1- Great Apes  
 
2- Commen Monkeys 
 
3- Dolphins 
 
4- Whales 
 
5- Elephant 
 
6- Parrot 
 
7- Crow 
 
8- Sheep 
 
9- Octopus 
 
10- Wolf
Posted @ Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:58 PM by Zackerdy
Great apes / monkeys and gibbons / whales and dolphins / elephants / bears / parrots / other birds / octopus and squid / wolf and fox / weasels / cats.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 14, 2010 7:06 PM by Toby
Leaving out the birds and sea creatures, in order of intelligence: Great apes, gibbons and monkeys, elephants, bears, racoons, pigs, wolf and fox, weasels, cats.
Posted @ Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:47 AM by Toby
To learn something of bear intelligence, go to: 
 
www.suite101.com/article.cfm/bears/19332 
 
www.all-creatures.org/bear/b-bearintel.html
Posted @ Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:55 AM by Toby
toby, you are cherrypicking the info you want - moany more sites say a bear doesn't even rank in top 10. 
 
Grow up
Posted @ Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:49 AM by zackerdy
No Zack. You are turning away from the truth. There is no information than claims a big cat is smarter than a bear. Do you ever watch "Big Cat Diaries"? 
 
They said outright that big cats are not particularly intelligent. Any field biologist or even a hunter can tell you that bears are highly intelligent animals.  
 
Don't just say what you want to be real. Do your research and be honest. As I do.
Posted @ Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:27 PM by Toby
There are no reliable records of what a gorilla can do. However, I would love to witness this match. I believe that the grizzly would win, even though I would be cheering for the gorilla. Pound for pound, they might be an even match.
Posted @ Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:31 PM by Toby
There is no reliable way to come up with a reliable number as to the weight of the average grizzly. There are various locations of grizzlys, each group being unable to mix and breed because of human habitat. In some inland locations, the average grizzly is ony from 300 to 500 pounds. These are your smallest grizzlys. By far, it is the coastal grizzly bears that outnumber the smaller varieties. These bears range from 800 pounds to 1400 pounds. The weights also vary according to the time of year. 
 
One can only make an estimated guess at the average weight of the average grizzly. I would be confident in saying that the average male grizzly would weight from 600 to 700 pounds easy.  
 
Against a 650 pound grizzly, a 400 pound silverback gorilla would stand no chance at all. No great ape and no other carnivore can stand up against the apex carnivore. To have a good fight, we would have to go with a small 400 pound inland grizzly.  
 
400 pound grizzly vs 400 pound gorilla.
Posted @ Saturday, July 17, 2010 9:16 AM by Toby
I just sent in to Wikipedia a question, since I cannot find, in my searching, an answer. "What is the smartest carnivore" ?  
 
I am sure that the gorilla is smarter than any of them.
Posted @ Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:23 AM by Toby
I sent in this question to Wiki. Then, no more that 2 minutes later, I get the answer: the dog. 
 
Bull droppings! They did no research what-so-ever! They just though up an answer off the top of their pointy heads.  
 
The wolf is smarter than the domestic dog! Has no study ever been done on carnivore intelligence?
Posted @ Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:31 AM by Toby
After long hours of research, the average inland grizzly ( Ursus arctos horribilis ) is 490 lbs. 
 
The average grizzly, when considering the 3 subspecies of grizzly, which include Ursus arctos gyas ( coastal grizzly ) and the black grizzly ( Ursus arctos lasiotus )is 810 pounds.  
 
I have also learned that, not only is the grizzly the ultimate carnivore, but he is the most powerful animal of his size. My favorite animal, the gorilla, would stand very little chance against a grizzly. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:23 AM by Toby
Reboot: Average male inland grizzly - 475 lbs. 
 
Average male grizzly overall - 810 lbs.
Posted @ Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:10 AM by Toby
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Posted @ Monday, July 26, 2010 10:20 AM by Toby
Let's make this a more debatable contest: 
 
American black bear Bear vs. West-Lowland Gorilla - both weight around the same on average (300 to 400 lbs) I'd reckon an enraged Black bear winning this match-up. 
 
 
 
Size: 
 
Black bear - 200 to 600 lbs - 5 to 7 feet  
 
Gorilla - 300 to 480 lbs - 5 to 6 feet 
 
Weapons: 
 
Black bear: 2.5 inch canines - 3 inch claws 
 
Gorilla: 2 inch Canines - 2 X Powerful Arms 
 
Advatages: 
 
Black Bear: Claws, Thick fur, Deadlier teeth, Faster  
 
Gorilla: Stronger senses, More Dextrous, Higher jaw force, Longer reach  
 
Weakenesses: 
 
Black bear: Short Sighted 
 
Gorilla: Vunarble Skin
Posted @ Monday, July 26, 2010 12:42 PM by Doctor zink
I have always considered this to be the better, more even match. This fight could go either way. I'd say a 50-50 toss-up. I would bet on the gorilla simply because he is my favorite animal. The first animal I always want to visit at the zoo.
Posted @ Monday, July 26, 2010 4:36 PM by Toby
Grizzly. 3 feet high at the shoulders. 5 feet long. 420 pounds. Basically an Asiatic black bear in a brown coat. Standing upright, I suppose about 6 feet tall.  
 
The gorilla would stand a 50% chance in this fight.
Posted @ Monday, July 26, 2010 10:06 PM by Toby
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Posted @ Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:38 AM by Toby
I would favor an enraged Black bear 9 out of 10 wins in this fight because of the folowing reasons: 
 
 
 
It has 3 inch claws 
 
It's far more resistant toward injury 
 
It has stronger build skeleton 
 
It's teeth are sharper and longer 
 
It's probabaly stronger at equal size
Posted @ Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:36 PM by Doctor Zink
Like the grizzly, there are a lot of size variations for the American black bear. But, if this is an equal fight, perhaps a 400 lb black bear vs 400 pound gorila, they both have a lot of advantages. Both are fast. Both are smart. Both are strong. Bite force probably near equal.  
 
black bear claws. 
 
gorilla powerful grip. 
 
not sure about gorilla stamina. 
 
 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:03 PM by Toby
The American Black bear is more than a favorite against the slow, fragile primate 
 
Bear has more stanima 
 
Bear is more Durable to injury 
 
Bear has longer & sharper teeth 
 
Bear has denser bones 
 
Bear is faster (30 mph vs. 20 mph) 
 
Bear has non-rectacable claws 
 
Bear is probably stronger
Posted @ Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:31 PM by ZACK
Has anyone else on this site searched for artwork? All I have found are a few scultures of Bull vs Bear. With so many asking about lion vs tiger / lion vs bear / tiger vs bear, etc, you would think that you would see something in paintings. But no.... ?
Posted @ Sunday, August 01, 2010 11:14 AM by Toby
Gorilla would beat tiger ( other than Siberian or Bengal ) in 4 out of 10 fights ( estimate ).  
 
See the King Grizzly at: 
 
www.myspace.com/539693522
Posted @ Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:42 AM by Toby
Toby, you are a tiger hater and it is becoming more obvious in every one of your posts. So what if a gorila can kill a tiger 40 percent of the time, does the tiger have any link with this bttle? no. What a loser 
 
And all the animals below deserve the title of the king more than the grizzly does: 
 
Whales 
 
Sharkes 
 
Dolphins 
 
Giant squids 
 
Elephant 
 
Rhino 
 
Giraffe 
 
Tiger & Lion 
 
Wolverine 
 
Honey badger 
 
Insects 
 
Spiders 
 
Crocodiles 
 
 
 
The list goes on...
Posted @ Monday, August 09, 2010 7:02 PM by Zack
the gorilla stand no chance they dont even fight the just sit around and eat leaf and they are bluffers they even flee from one stickin leopard and the leopard isnt even bigger than they are 
the bear only need one shot and the ape is dead.
Posted @ Friday, August 13, 2010 1:39 PM by SBTIN
For thousands of years, aboriginal people, such as the American Indians, have known that the bear is highly intelligent and a healer. They ask for strength and wisdom from the bear. They also see the bear as the healer or 'medicine bear' and the teacher. Rudyard Kipling knew this. That is why Baloo was the teacher.  
 
Relatively new science: Zoopharmacognosy: animal use of medicial plants to treat illness. 
 
No animal on earth is better at this than the bear. A few examples include: Ligusticum porteri ( bear root )which is an antiviral - antipeptic ( digestive aid )and antibiotic. 
 
Rub on resinous trees... relief of itching from biting flies ( ectoparasites ) such as mites, lice, ticks. Repels biting insects. 
 
Bears eat a rough fiberous sedge ( Carex spp ) before going into Winter sleep, which rids them of tapeworms and intestinal parasites. 
 
Bears chew on ash ( such as volcanic ash ) to settle their stomachs.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:23 PM by Toby
Here is a complete list of all of the terrestrial animals that a boar brown bear cannot kill: 
 
#1... Elephant. 
 
#2... Rhinoceras. 
 
#3... Hippopotomus. 
 
*Short list huh?
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 3:15 PM by Toby
Gorilla is no match for bears or the any sub species of lion or tiger. 
Leopards have been recorded to kill them. 
Even the silver back is not safe there are records of explorers finding parts of silver back in a leopard gut but there is no record of a silver back killing a leopard not even a young or female one. 
The ape is no match for the big cats and the bears.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 5:31 PM by Tasky
@ Toby 
'Rub on resinous trees... relief of itching from biting flies ( ectoparasites ) such as mites, lice, ticks. Repels biting insects.' 
 
K Toby I saw some goats do that and even lion in the wild rub their sides against trees to get Rid of insects that they cannot reach or role on the backs. 
Deer, elephants, rhino, Bovinae and pigs will seek mud holes and lakes to get rid of biting insects.  
 
'Bears chew on ash ( such as volcanic ash ) to settle their stomachs.' 
 
My dog and cats chew on a type of grass that as the same effect, wolves and well as most wild candid are observed to do this too, same as big cats. 
 
So what is your point exactly? That only bears do these and other animals do not? 
 
Herbalism- 
'Indigenous healers often claim to have learned by observing that sick animals change their food preferences to nibble at bitter herbs they would normally reject' 
 
Unless you are saying that when that paragraph says sick animal actually means bear who have no argument what so ever. 
All animals will eating things they would reject if they have a upset stomach not only a bear will do so. 
 
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 5:58 PM by Tasky
Tasky, sure dogs eat grass and then get sick. I am talking about an animal who has a better nose than a bloodhound who knows what roots and herbs to take for any particular symptoms.  
 
As for leopards killing silverback gorillas, this has never been witnessed. Just because you see a leopard eatting a bull gorilla, doesn't mean that the leopard killed it. It might have been killed by a rival gorilla or a poisonous snake.  
 
You have no way of knowing how a bull gorilla would do against a black bear, a sloth bear, or a giant panda.  
 
But, I agree that the gorilla is not likely much of a fighter as he lives in a jungle and, as far as anyone really knows, he has no natural enemies ( except for the females and juveniles ).
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:46 PM by Toby
So what you are saying is that a leopard would just find a gorilla carcass and just claw it and bite it up for no reason? 
Leopard have hunt and successfully kill silver backs. 
And when gorillas fight each other they do not fight to kill, there has never been a record of one gorilla killing another and I'm not sure about the snake. 
So you are saying that every time explorers find a leopard eating a siverback a snake killed it?
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:59 PM by Tasky
Yes Tasky. bull gorillas have some violent fights over their harems. Sometimes these great apes die from terrible wounds inflicted by powerful jaws. 
 
Why would a leopard be interested in a dead gorilla? Food ( duh? ) 
 
No person has ever witnessed a leopard killing a bull gorilla.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:15 PM by Toby
Yes but you missed the point, I ask why would a leopard bite an already dead gorilla in the neck and claw at its shoulders? 
and where is your proof that gorillas do kill each other in fights?
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:06 PM by Tasky
So you are saying that every time explorers find a leopard eating a siverback a snake killed it?
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:18 PM by Tasky
And how does using herbs help you in a fight? Or during the fight?
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:31 PM by Tasky
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/1096-8644%28200009%29113:1%3C61::AID-AJPA6%3E3.0.CO;2-H/abstract 
 
This gives the muscle mass of gorillas while I am lacking the the link for the black and sloth bear, I'm sure you know that the muscle mass of these bears can range form 45-55% making them even at equal weight stronger than the gorilla and they especially the sloth bear is far more aggressive than the gorilla and have more dangerous weaponry than gorillas do,  
so yeah a gorilla is no match for the sub species of tigers/lions and the bears.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:56 PM by Tasky
A leopard is eatting a dead gorilla that has scratches on it. Therefore, you are ceratain that the leopard killed it. If you see a jackal eatting a dead elephant, then you would assume that the jackal killed the elephant?  
 
IF a leopard ever killed a bull gorilla, it was an ambush attack. Not a face-off. 
 
Yes, a black bear ( any species ) of equal or near equal size to the gorilla could probably kill the gorilla. But, the word is PROBABLY ( not certain ) even though we know that the bears are the strongest carnivores.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:34 AM by Toby
Why would a leopard bite or scratch a dead leopard. You cannot eat without bitting. Also, cats play with their food. 
 
What good is eatting healing herbs in a fight? None. But, they might be helpful after the fight ( duh ). Bears eat herbs that fight infection.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:39 AM by Toby
And so do dogs and cats they eat herbs too Toby.  
So what was your point of saying they eat herbs then ? 
What does it have to do with the fight? 
You have a comprehending problem, you claim that a gorillas even a silver back as no enemies so I corrected you that a leopard can kill it now where did I every say the leopard had fought the gorillas in a face to face match?  
I was merely pointing out that gorillas do have a predator other that man. 
And what does this have to with a jackal and elephant. 
 
The explores find the carcass of silver backs with signs of the throat hold position on them meaning leopards can and have successfully hunted and killed gorilla regardless of sex and age. 
 
I still think the bears are still too much for any gorilla to handle.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:48 AM by Tasky
Tasky. You appear to be very slow at comprehending. You see a leopard eatting a gorilla. So, you automatically assume that the 100 pound cat killed the 380 pound gorilla. Therefore, if you were to see a jackal eatting an elephant, you would just as easily assume that the jackal killed the elephant. Right?  
 
A leopard killing a bull gorilla has never been witnessed. Also, this site is about a face-off. So, even IF a leopard could kill a bull gorilla in an ambush attack, that does not mean that it could kill one in a face to face confrontation.  
 
 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:05 AM by Toby
Dogs and cats eat green vegetation such as grass...to throw up. This is hardly like carefully selecting medication. But then, it is easy to see that you lack the education to understand Zoopharmacognosy.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:17 AM by Toby
woow you guys remember me. some ppl jus dont have lives. jus chill out on this thing
Posted @ Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:07 PM by east95
Toby when dogs/cats eat grass it is to rid there stomach of whatever is making it upset. 
Your body throws up for a reason dimwit, to get rid of unneeded or wanted substance or bacteria than can cause harm to the body so instead of the body digesting it, it carries it up back. 
Look it up asshole. 
And you really seem to have a comprehending problem, I was correcting you asshole  
you just can't take corrections can you ? 
no wonder you have nothing better to do that to sit and make up shit over the net. 
And just as you ignored someone else question about intelligence I chose to ignore yours about the elephant. What does it have to with here? 
Leopards can and have successfully hunted and kill gorillas which you said was not possible explorers even said that there was signs of a struggle dimwit.  
Get your asshole facts straigth for a chance. 
If you did not understand my first question I will ask so your shit head can comprehend it. 
Why did you think it was neccesary to put up fact about bears eating herbs here? What does it have to do with a face off? 
I hope you understand this question.  
I don't even know why I'm talking to you , you clearly know nothing of the matter. 
Its better you don't answer becasue I know for a fact that its going to be pure crap. 
Sorry for wasting your crappy life with questions you can't answer.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:24 PM by Tasky
Tasky! All of this juvenile name calling and vulgar language is totally unnecessary. Please act like an adult. 
 
I did not ignore what you wrote about hyena intelligence. I stated, as is true, that the hyena is every bit as smart as a lion or a tiger.  
 
Yes, I know that a dog eats grass so as to throw up and rid itself of a stomach ache ( and said so ). But ( as I said ) that is not the same as eating particular herbs for particular problems. The American Indians learned of certain herbal remedies from watching the bears. That is why they have in their culture the 'medicine bear' and also refer to the bear as 'the teacher'. 
 
What does this have to do with a face-off? It is merely to show the intelligence of the bear. And yes, intelligence does play a majopr role in a fight. 
 
But IF you don't get it...WHY get upset? 
 
 
 
Posted @ Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:56 AM by Toby
I never gave you anything about hyena intelligence and just so you know hyenas are just as intelligent as chimps its already proven and are off course smarter than bears. And I can prove this can you prove otherwise? 
Just look it up 
And bears eating herbs have nothing to do with a fight
Posted @ Thursday, August 19, 2010 8:59 AM by Tasky
Of all the carnivores ( this includes hyenas ) bears have the highest brain-to-body mass ratio. Bears are the smartest mammals in North America ( excluding humans for you non-understanders ) and bears are near great apew intelligence ( not hyenas ).  
 
I will not explain the knowledge of herbs issue with you again as it is more information than you can absorb.  
 
 
 
Posted @ Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:41 AM by Toby
Tasky. Just because you are unable to comprehend something, such as animal intelligence, or any other issue posted, just bypass it instead of fussing about something you know nothing about.  
 
Instead of saying, "that has nothing to do with a face-off", which simply shows that you did not understand, just forget it and go on to the next post. There are those who will understand. So, why get yourself all upset over this?
Posted @ Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:57 AM by Toby
wanted to stop by and put this discussion to bed - since this is going back and forth with no real conclusion or progress. alright - so here we go: 
the gorilla's strength is extreme compared to a human. the biggest WWE wrestlers, who weigh 350 pounds of raw muscle and would toss around any Shaq or Football Player like a rag doll, would be ill advised to go up against a gorilla, who's entire bone structure is just more massive, no matter how big the human is. hence, the impressive legacy of gorilla. grip strength, bone density, teeth - any contact with this super strong animal would produce an injury. 
as was said correctly above though, G is not a predator. his techniques using his strength are to intimidate other G's, bend trees and plants - which is impressive, but even rivaling male G's rarely kill each other.the speed and brute force of a G charging, however, is so extreme, that if we imagine the punchforce force of 6 to 10 grown men (10 to 20 is absolutely unrealistic) hitting any animal , be it grizzly or elephant is surely bone crushing. 
However, if we analyze how a Grizzly charges this almost world wonder of power & force gets a reality check. From my experience, I would estimate, taht the first advantage would be with Gorilla, as Grizzly's are slow starters (less show, more tactics, analyzing their opponent, pacing left to right, as many predators would do). Hit by the first massive blow by teh Gorilla, Grizzly would be surprised by what hit him...350 pounds of bulking muscle, giant arms, hard as a rock. But he would quickly figure out that's as dangerous as it will get. Grizzly then counterattacks and would most likely not stop until G is severely injured through paw swipes or bites and retreat.  
G has certainly enough force to break a Grizzly's neck or strangle him, but getting in this position is unlikely. Grizzly's are huge and if we assume a 600 to 800 pound grizzly, the size difference would matter.  
The only situation in which it would be a deadlock, is if a Grizzly would try to go past a Silverback LEader, and attack the group that is at rest in the nest. It is the G's job to protect, and he would put on such a massive show of speed and force, that the Grizzly would withdraw eventually. 
 
Posted @ Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:51 AM by ZooKeeper San Diego
channel-nationalgeographic.com/channel/expedition-grizzly-3909/brutus-and-me/album-01-html 
 
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-417809/Brutus-showbiz-grizzly-bear-htm
Posted @ Monday, August 23, 2010 6:19 AM by Toby
War Bears. Bears with saws. Bears with guns. Bear cavalry. Bear with chainsaw. Bear with chainsaw arms. Bears are very cool. I think Zangief would win though...
Posted @ Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:07 AM by Warbear
I like sucking on gorilla cocks. 
im a pussy. i have no friends at all. i hate my life. cuz i have man tits.  
see you guys later ima go finger my pussy whole. i lick my own ass hole all the time. i should jus kill myself right now!  
im the gay kid who sits alone at lunch at school.
Posted @ Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:22 PM by east95
The average grizzly bear, Ursus arctos horribilis, is 5.5 feet long and weighs 490 pounds. He is more than a match for the average lion, 6 feet long and 420 pounds, or the average Bengal tiger, 6.25 feet long and 500 pounds. 
 
As strong as the bull gorilla is, a 490 pound gorilla stands very little chance against a 490 pound grizzly bear. The grizzly is the most ferocious of bears.
Posted @ Sunday, September 05, 2010 9:09 AM by Toby
mr animalia, as much as I agree that big cats are lb for lb the strongest of carnivora, u have to look at the details, like how much of the weight is pure muscle, rather than just lb for lb.
Posted @ Monday, September 06, 2010 11:03 PM by vlian
Toby, stop lying to yourself. You've already admitted in another thread that lions are far more superior than bears.
Posted @ Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:50 PM by Tasky
The grizzly bear would win, three reasons its claws, and bite force, and tremedous power.
Posted @ Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:26 AM by mark
Its a proven fact that goillas are stronger. Look up animal planet most extreme strength. From a scale of 1-10 with 1 being the strongest and 10 being the weakest, gorillas came in 4th and bears came in 10th.
Posted @ Friday, September 24, 2010 10:58 AM by east95
east95, hahahahaha fool. The Most Extreme, more often then not measures by proportion, I know more about the show than you do. Don't kid yourself....a grizzly bear is not weaker than a gorilla and won't be outmuscled... 
 
 
 
and Toby, grown male gorillas aren't called bulls, they are silverbacks...there's another terminology I believe...
Posted @ Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:17 AM by vlian
A gorilla can press over 2500 lbs which means it could easily lift a bear and slam it to the ground or a rock or a tree.
Posted @ Monday, September 27, 2010 5:04 PM by east95
lol east95, a gorilla cannot press 2,500 OVER HIS HEAD. Even if the gorilla had the mechanics to perform this feat, you think the much bigger and more powerful bear is gonna lie down and let him lift him? Ur clueless, learn about these animals instead of spewing out misinterpreted information. 
 
They meant IF A MAN HAD THE STRENGTH CAPABILITY of a gorilla. Gorillas aren't built to raise things overhead, men are.
Posted @ Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:51 PM by vlian
the gorilla is smart enough to punch the grizzly in it's balls and if it did that the grizzly would go down straight away and from there the gorilla could beat the crap out of it
Posted @ Thursday, September 30, 2010 11:17 AM by a.twat
If a gorilla grabs a hold of the bear, it can choke it to death with it's tremendous arm strength.
Posted @ Thursday, September 30, 2010 6:03 PM by east95
The gorilla would use a tree as batter against such a huge enemy, that will give him time enough to put up a a stretegy to defeat the bear
Posted @ Monday, October 04, 2010 7:04 PM by Odin
The rumble in the jungle for real who ever wins this battle should be Crown King of the jungle. It's a close call but I got to with the Gorilla because he can wrestle better in the tussle & if he's smart enough to ball a fist he can knockout any bear,rhino,elephant whatever animal you can find today. So the "Gorilla" sliverback wins brawl for it all.
Posted @ Monday, October 18, 2010 8:45 PM by Jaime Lucas
East, I see you have come back, and you still believe the gorilla will win.  
 
 
First off, let me make this clear. GORILLAS HAVE NEVER BEEN KNOWN TO USE WEAPONS IN A FIGHT. That feat goes to the chimpanzees. Gorillas use tools, but not weapons. Nor has a gorilla truly performed an actual punch. They may use their arms like maces, but will never truly give a direct head-on punch- the closest thing they would perform to a punch is a quick jab. And Mr. Animalia; mustelids have a fairly comparable strength-to-body ratio- similar to a felids. Have you ever scene a wolverine fight? There has been documented cases of wolverines killing lynxes that outweigh them by 10 to 20lbs. Felids are MORE AGGRESSIVE than bears, as well as being more agile (more testosterone) which causes them to be better fighters. Bears; not so much. It's a similar situation with raccoons and house cats. Cats will always be the first animal to make the move, because they are obligate carnivores and have that instinct kept in them, but if cornered or if duty calls (young threatened) the raccoon will most certainly beat up a similar sized felid.  
 
 
Now, back to the gorilla fight.... 
 
East, there have been absolutely NO RECORDS about how much weight a gorilla can pull or bench. They ARE extremely strong, but do you realize how strong a brown/ polar bear is? A smack from one can easily shatter the ribcage of a human and break their back. A more even fight would be with an American/ Asiatic black bear. But really, East, you have to stop watching so much King Kong and actually look at actual studies done on the animals rather than assumptions made about their strength. In addition, The Most Extreme did not put the animals in actual strength order, as you would believe. You believe the gorilla is the strongest animal on Earth, pound per pound, but you totally contradict yourself when referring to that show, because the gorilla still is shown to be beaten by cows and tigers on the list on that show.
Posted @ Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:19 PM by MrAlien123456
A gorilla will definitely win the fight. Although, grizzly bears are taller, have 5 in blunt claws, and more likely to use its fangs, the gorilla is much more agile. A gorilla has 4 hands, it also can lift 10 times its own body weight meaning it can lift 4600 pounds. A grizzly bear can only push 0.8 times its body weight, which averages to 1200 pounds. Gorillas are able to lift the grizzly bear, where the grizzly bear will have trouble, since the gorilla is vigorous and bears don't have hands. The bear has an advantage though, the gorilla is a more social beast and will either kill you or leave you be. Where as to the Grizzly Bear, it enjoys killing. I believe that a gorilla will win the fight depending on the area fought. It doesn't really matter because gorillas and bears are separated by the Atlantic. A grizzly bear could win if it is fighting in a mountain -like area, otherwise, a gorilla can climb trees to jump on its enemy, or toss heavy boulders on its gruesome opponent.
Posted @ Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:51 PM by XanROK021
AGAIN. Gorilla strength has NEVER been measured and all of it is just assumptions. A 120lb black bear managed to move a move a boulder that 3 men couldn't. And the gorilla CANNOT lift 10xs its own weight. That is overestimating the gorilla's abilities. Sure, gorillas are strong, but you must understand HOW strong a grizzly is. And first of all the average male Eastern Gorilla (the larger of the two species) weighs only about 350lbs- not 460lbs, and second of all, it has never been proven that a gorilla could accomplish a feat such as lifting an object 10xs its own weight. There has been numerous studies on the strength of bears, which allows more supporting information to come into play in debates such as these. Also, gorillas have NEVER been known to use weapons to fight- only chimps have accomplished such feats, so gorillas throwing boulders at bears is very unlikely, even if they were to confront each other. 
And bears can ONLY push .8xs their own body weight? A grizzly bear was noted for pulling a steer 3xs his own weight up an almost vertical mountainside. Grizzlies DO NOT weigh 1200lbs. Male Polar bears do- more around 1,100lbs, though. The average male grizzly weighs 450-490lbs. The average male Kodiak weighs about 725lbs. Even if it were a Polar bear, a Polar bear has the ability to pull a 3,000lb walrus out of the water by his/her jaws alone. Also, bears have been known to single-handedly (literally) shatter the ribcage of a human with one swipe from their massive paws. If you noticed the big lump on the grizzly's shoulders, that is ALL muscle mass. 
 
 
Speed- Bear 
Dexterity- Gorilla 
Strength- Bear 
Size- Bear 
Agility- Gorilla 
Intelligence- Gorilla 
Natural Arsenal- Bear
Posted @ Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:01 PM by MrAlien123456
I saw this episode on "Weird True & Freaky", they've shown clips of animal fight clubs. My most favorite clip on the fight club is "Dogs vs. Grizzly Bear". Henry the Schnauzer and Baby the Lab chased away bears for seven years now, dogs have a good territorial instinct.
Posted @ Friday, October 29, 2010 10:49 PM by Joshua Reppert
Lion vs Tiger vs Brown Bear at: ultimatecarnivoran.yuku.com
Posted @ Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:02 AM by BrotherBear
Gorilla vs Bear. Of course, Bear wins. It would not even last long. Gorilla would not have time to spit the grass out of its mouth. If he sees it coming, he might use his opposable thumb to toss some crap into the charging bear's face. But pepper spray would doesn't work, I doubt Silverback brownies would. The only question is how long would it take? Depends on how fast the King Kong runs. Probably only a few seconds, unless the bear slips on a banana peel. Bear vs Ape, Ha! Why not Bazooka vs slingshot?
Posted @ Monday, November 22, 2010 12:41 AM by D Fossey
I agree Dianne Fossey. Silverback gorilla vs American black bear would have been a much better fight. Check this site out. Who is the ultimate terrestrial carnivore? Is it the lion, the tiger, or the brown bear? 
 
ultimatecarnivoran.yuku.com
Posted @ Monday, November 22, 2010 4:34 AM by BrownBear
Is this for fun or for real? Looks way too comical. However, at least there is a winner mentioned. 
 
 
 
There's a reason why Bears are more talked about than Gorillas. I would say 80% of the time the bear will take it. 
 
 
 
Size (and weight) does matter, thus the oceans hold the greatest beasts. 
 
 
 
Unless the Gorilla uses weapon, I don't see them as winners against aggressive big bears. 
 
 
 
If only it is the King Kong from hollywood... 
 
 
 
I suppose the only way to confirm it is to put them in a cage and film it.
Posted @ Monday, November 22, 2010 8:27 AM by D.w
No DW, not a comercial, as I am not trying to sell anything. Just another wild animal face-off site ( totally free ) where the lion, tiger, and brown bear compete for the title of the Ultimate Terrestrial Carnivore. I am NOT trying to take anything away from this site ( which I love ) but sometimes 2 is better than one. 
 
ultimatecarnivoran.yuku.com
Posted @ Wednesday, November 24, 2010 7:43 AM by BrotherBear
on son of kong 1933 the gorilla fought a giant bear and the bear ran off. i'm not saying that the film may be right but gorilla hell yh
Posted @ Saturday, November 27, 2010 4:35 PM by
The gorilla is my favorite animal. He has been since as a child I always loved the "Hollywood gorilla". Not only Kong, his son, and Mighty Joe Young, but the "men in gorilla suit" movies too. My favorite is "Gorilla at Large".  
 
But, in real life...The grizzly would have gorilla for dinner. 
 
 
 
http://ultimatecarnivoran.yuku.com
Posted @ Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:56 AM by BrotherBear
why would they fight. a gorilla onliy fights if it thinks it's family is in trouble and bears only fight for a mate or food and the gorilla will not steel fish from the bear
Posted @ Thursday, December 02, 2010 12:08 PM by
There are always "what ifs". 
 
What if the curious grizzly got too close to the female and juvenile gorillas and the silverback makes a bluff charge to frighten the grizzly? 
 
http://ultimatecarnivoran.yuku.com
Posted @ Friday, December 03, 2010 8:43 AM by BrotherBear
it all depend on where the fight is taking place. if it is in an area with lots of trees the i say the gorilla but if in the wide open rizzly all the way.
Posted @ Friday, December 03, 2010 5:05 PM by bear necessities
490 pound grizzly vs 395 pound gorilla = dead gorilla. 
 
Gorilla vs black bear at: ultimatecarnivoran.yuku.com
Posted @ Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:41 PM by BrotherBear
The gorilla stands little to no chance. His fighting strategy, assuming it is similar to that of other apes, would be to flail around with his arms trying to hit something, wrench and bite at the grizzly's limbs and/or genitalia, or just try and push and shove his adversary around. His flailing would do little real damage without claws, and needless to say would be very inaccurate. His biting is aimed at the wrong areas to kill. And shoving an animal with the strength of a bear? Bad idea. 
 
The bear's fighting style is much more effective. From its hind legs, it would do as much damage as possible with paws and claws, move in close to grapple, outwrestle his adversary, and start mauling. Bites and strikes would be aimed for the head and shoulders region, with a good bite resulting in rapid death for the gorilla. The well-targeted swipes would do even more damage thanks to the claws. And the bear is pound for pound one of the best grapplers on the face of the planet.  
 
Take into account the size advantage(largest brown bear: 1500 lb, largest gorilla: 600 lb for a fat captive animal) and it becomes evident that this is a mismatch.
Posted @ Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:50 PM by MellivoraCapensis
well the gorilla is an inteligate creature with may give it a little andvantage over the bear and the gorilla mighty be quicker so the bear can't hit it. I say that if the bear if really stupid gorilla may just take it
Posted @ Sunday, December 26, 2010 5:29 PM by bear necessities
You can't pair Grizzly against Lion or Gorilla in the 13th century: grizzlies live in the New World, and that hasn't been discovered yet. I'm guessing that the writer is talking about the European brown bear: same species, punier subspecies. 
 
 
 
Nevertheless, he's right. The Romans found that the brown bear beat everything, including the lion and the tiger. The grizzly is that much more terrifying.  
 
 
 
Of course, the Romans didn't really know the gorilla. The Carthaginians encountered gorillas back when Carthage was still a going concern, but they greatly exaggerated the size of the ape. 
 
 
 
And that's the real weakness of the gorilla in actual determined combat with a grizzly: the grizzly could be almost three times the gorilla's size. Gorillas are tremendous natural athletes. They might be able to take on a black bear of comparable size even despite the bear's predator adaptations. But a grizzly bear -- not to mention a polar bear -- is just too big.  
 
 
 
On the other hand, in the wild, the silverback is just as big and tough as he needs to be. Predators look and say to themselves: "Naw! It ain't worth the trouble." And that's all a vegetarian animal can get out of being a bad ass.
Posted @ Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:27 PM by Ogre
A bear has about 1000+ lbs with one swipe... if the bear hits the gorilla once in the face... broken neck and =dead
Posted @ Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM by Joseph Stock
Ha wow. A gorilla would destroy alot of animals including a bear. Gorillas hav enough strength to be able to lift a 18 wheeler let alone crush a grizzly bears face n snout
Posted @ Friday, January 07, 2011 9:49 AM by bob
i think the bear will win the fight but die from it's injuries. the gorilla will not have made it easy for the bear. so the bear would kill the gorilla but die like five minutes after from blood lose or something.
Posted @ Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:25 PM by bear necessities
the gorilla has stronger bite and stronger arms
Posted @ Thursday, January 13, 2011 10:01 PM by fuck you man
You fuckin idiots...show me a paper that proves gorillas are "10 to 20" times stronger than a human. They are NOT, the most powerful maybe 10, but not 20. 
 
 
 
No, a gorilla cannot lift a damn 18-wheeler, gorillas are only powerful in pulling strength, NOT liftin goverhead because that is not how their limbs are designed. I can't believe how many of you noobs didn't even do ur research but instead depend on hearsay and shaky observations. 
 
 
 
A brown bear would not "die from it's injuries" against a gorilla haha. A Grizzly bear is too much for the biggest gorilla. Lioness, Jaguar, Cougar, I support these animals over the average gorilla. 
 
 
 
Don't even talk bear,..gorilla's aren't anatomically built to match these animals, period.
Posted @ Friday, January 21, 2011 10:22 AM by vlian
someone please tell me what good will thumbs do when a grizzly is on your butt
Posted @ Tuesday, January 25, 2011 12:13 PM by gman
Bannanas!? A gorilla could pick up large rocks, or tree limbs, a grizzly cannot. Hooray for evolution! Gorilla FTW, provided there are potential weapons around
Posted @ Friday, February 04, 2011 3:06 PM by Josh
I think a chimpanzee would actually have a better chance than a gorilla. Chimps are much more aggressive to the point of being almost demonic.
Posted @ Friday, February 04, 2011 11:24 PM by Michael Rafferty
why don't my son wish for a bear anda gorilla to fight. he does have fairy god parents
Posted @ Sunday, February 06, 2011 6:58 AM by timmy turner's dad
u are all so dump they will both lose
Posted @ Sunday, February 13, 2011 5:28 PM by bear necessities
the gorilla would be punching the shit out of a bear dead in the face.
Posted @ Sunday, February 20, 2011 4:11 PM by jordan
I bet the Grizzly Bear or the black bear could take on the American Pit Bull. After all, the Pit Bull is the Popeye the Sailorman of the dog world, strong jaws and muscles, the Pit Bull can take down one of the bears.
Posted @ Sunday, February 20, 2011 11:44 PM by Joshua Reppert
joshua what the hell are you talking about
Posted @ Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:06 PM by roscoe
Really come on man is all about the bear
Posted @ Friday, February 25, 2011 10:51 PM by
i change my answer. i say bear will win
Posted @ Monday, February 28, 2011 7:12 AM by jordan
Gorillas are not killers. Intelligence is all about reasoning. In a struggle for life it better to be unreasonable. We are who we are.Bears and Cats could not care less for another animal. Gorillas care thats what makes them gentle. Reminds me of the young gun who said i m faster and shoots straighter. Yes, said the barkeep, but he is a killer of men, best you grab your hat and get.
Posted @ Saturday, March 05, 2011 5:09 PM by DUDE2011
What a huge compilation of ignorant, uncalculated nonsense. Of the small fraction of crap that I read I found nothing that held anything more than wild guesses by foolish nonzoologists.
Posted @ Monday, March 07, 2011 1:13 PM by paul
Yes, Paul..there are some ppl on this thread talking 'bout a Gorilla using TOOLS do fight the bear, that is laughable. Most ppl don't realize the size and strength difference between these two. 
 
A gorilla cannot lift the bear overhead, but the bear can certainly throw the gorilla around with jaw and neck str.
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Posted @ Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:37 PM by BrotherBear
vlian and paul shut yo dumb ass up cause i doubt any of you are zoologists
Posted @ Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:16 PM by roscoe
Gorillas are stronger then bears. Gorillas can lift more then ten times there body weight. Bears can barely lift there own body weight
Posted @ Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:30 PM by Eugene
You have the bear win but you say they like to kill...it does nothing but instill more fear in people thinking bears are out to get them.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:47 PM by Micheal
People I don't wanna fight a grizzly bear, it's just ean to fight things for no reason. And I don't see why a grizzly bear would attack me since I'm bigger and I'd scare a bear. We animals get scared of bigger animals you know. Especially ones we don't know nothing about.
Posted @ Friday, April 01, 2011 10:45 AM by Magilla
Why do people keep talking about intelligence. Intelligence only comes into play where there is a very large area and the animals can plan strategy and tactics. In a smaller fighting area, it's just pure brute power and weapons.
Posted @ Saturday, April 02, 2011 11:59 PM by dougx
Ok people, I will concur with some of what was said. Bears are very tough, as well as Tigers. But as strong as Bears are, they prefer to run than fight! No matter what! THAT IS A FACT!!! Not taking anything away from the Bears out there, unless your children were threatened YOU ARE LEAVING! Me be a fan of Gorillas, I know there attributes as well as there weaknesses. Gorillas are (for the most part) vegetarians. This means two things; that for carnivores, it's good meat. But it also means that because of a diet that is mostly greens their metabolism works more efficient, creating lean muscle without the need to HYBERNATE. A gorillas stamina has been proven to match that of a cheetah. And anyway, where is this fight being held? In Canada or The Congo? For all the bears out there, DON'T BRING YOUR ASSES TO The Congo!! The humidity would be the nail in the coffin! While the Bear struggles to breathe the thick hot African air, the Gorillas barreled chest fills with oxygen. The Bears stamina is questionable...in the CONGO!!! Now, to be fair, if you were to drop my Gorilla in the mountains of Canada who's knows what would happen? But what I can say is that if you think a animal who sleeps for three months to allow it's metabolism to catch up would easily kill an animal that spends It's life eating vegetation, fighting for dominance and mating. This battle would last a total of 0 seconds! Only because both have better things to do!
Posted @ Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:14 PM by APEMAN72
I don't know what you all have been reading but no bear , not even a Kodiak or Polar bear , is stronger than a gorilla . It has been scientifically shown that a gorilla can lift ten times it's weight . that's over 4000 lbs .  
 
Bears are just as fast as gorillas but not as agile . And don't get it twisted , a gorilla's claws are very dangerous too . Tigers kill 600-700 pound bears all the time which shows that bears don't know how to fight power thinking animals . 200 pound weight difference makes no difference with animals with this strength . 
 
Strength , agility , bite force and the ability to grab gives the gorilla the advantage . The only true advantage the bear has is it's natural instinct to kill . That would be a hell of a fight and if the bear won I'd bet he would never want to fight another gorilla , and would sustain some very extensive injuries . 
 
There is a video on you tube where a leopard attacked a gorilla and got his back broke by one punch
Posted @ Thursday, April 14, 2011 10:02 PM by Jay Swift
are you forgetting that when bears are at those peak weights theyre mostly fat as they prepare for hibernation. gorillas are all muscle, and yea theyre built to pull and the would easily throw a bear to the ground and pound it to paste. just because the dont eat meat doesnt mean they cant kill other animals. your truely retarded to overlook these facts
Posted @ Friday, April 22, 2011 12:44 PM by riley
I know that everyone has presented information here, but I don't feel like reading every comment. 
 
Yes, bears are extremely fucking strong, there's no doubt about that. But a lot of that weight comes from fat that they hold onto for the winter and fur. Also, the bear probably does have larger muscles than the gorilla, but they have a relatively limited range of motion that restricts them to running in one direction and swiping. Their huge mass is difficult to move once it is in motion, giving the gorilla the agility advantage. 
 
Another element i see recurring is the bear's ability to charge, slash, and bite. Despite these characteristics, the gorilla is 400 pounds of pure muscle and bone with the bite force of a human thigh; I seriously doubt that either of them is going to get the opportunity to bite and not get their shit mauled by huge claws/arms like hydraulic pumps.  
 
Seriously, I don't think some of you appreciate the brute force a gorilla can generate and it's range of motion. The bear cannot grip and pry like a gorilla, only swipe and hope it hits with its large paws. And mevermind either animal's skulls, both are extremely thick. 
 
Let's assume for the moment that both animals are equally pissed off and willing to fight; none of this "hurr Durr one of dem will run away b/c thEy are pussies". No, we are pitting one animal against another and comparing how the fight ends. Sure, the bear has a few hundred pounds on the gorilla, but that means nothing outside of human sports where collisions are the only factor. Anyway... 
 
Tl;dr) gorilla probably kills bear but doesn't get away without some serious injuries and confusion about how he ended up in fucking Canada. 
Posted @ Saturday, April 23, 2011 5:01 PM by Duserino1/2
bears are stronger than gorillas. its a fact and will never be changed. do you know how big a bear is compared to a gorilla. the gorilla will piss himself if he ever saw a bear. THE BEAR WINS YOU JACKASSES.
Posted @ Monday, April 25, 2011 2:31 PM by daniel
@ Daniel; this is not real MORON!!! It's just a topic to discuss. It's guys like you that can bleed the fun out of anything! most of us agree to disagree. You, however need to get personal! that tells me that you have nothing constructive to contribute!
Posted @ Tuesday, April 26, 2011 7:20 PM by APEMAN72
I will re-port what I wrote a million years ago: 
 
AGAIN. Gorilla strength has NEVER been measured and all of it is just assumptions. A 120lb black bear managed to move a move a boulder that 3 men couldn't. And the gorilla CANNOT lift 10xs its own weight. That is overestimating the gorilla's abilities. Sure, gorillas are strong, but you must understand HOW strong a grizzly is. And first of all the average male Eastern Gorilla (the larger of the two species) weighs only about 350lbs- not 460lbs, and second of all, it has never been proven that a gorilla could accomplish a feat such as lifting an object 10xs its own weight. There has been numerous studies on the strength of bears, which allows more supporting information to come into play in debates such as these. Also, gorillas have NEVER been known to use weapons to fight- only chimps have accomplished such feats, so gorillas throwing boulders at bears is very unlikely, even if they were to confront each other.  
And bears can ONLY push .8xs their own body weight? A grizzly bear was noted for pulling a steer 3xs his own weight up an almost vertical mountainside. Grizzlies DO NOT weigh 1200lbs. Male Polar bears do- more around 1,100lbs, though. The average male grizzly weighs 450-490lbs. The average male Kodiak weighs about 725lbs. Even if it were a Polar bear, a Polar bear has the ability to pull a 3,000lb walrus out of the water by his/her jaws alone. Also, bears have been known to single-handedly (literally) shatter the ribcage of a human with one swipe from their massive paws. If you noticed the big lump on the grizzly's shoulders, that is ALL muscle mass.  
 
 
Speed- Bear  
Dexterity- Gorilla  
Strength- Bear  
Size- Bear  
Agility- Gorilla  
Intelligence- Gorilla  
Natural Arsenal- Bear
Posted @ Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:24 PM by MrAlien
Hi Mr. Alien! 
 
 
 
Nice to see again. I do agree with you in that the bear would win even if the two animals were of roughly equal weight. In brute strength, the bear probably has a certain advantage, though this is not necessarily as great as to decide the fight. Their canines are also more or less equally well-developed, but they would use them different. If bears fight bulls or each other, they often try to get a hold over the opponent's cheek or nose to immobilize it and prevent it from fighting back. They also attack the neck and throat. In contrast, gorillas usually attack the opponent's limbs (which is less effective against a bear than against a human), and they are not programmed to use a throat bite. Both animals are good in wrestling, but the bear also has long claws, and it is more inclined to deliver strong blows than the gorilla (which prefers to grab its opponent and drag it closer for biting). In fighting, the gorilla's intelligence does not necessarily play an important role, because bears are more accustomed to fight a wide range of very different opponents (e.g., wolves, moose, bovines, and other bears).  
 
 
 
Could you please also comment on the hippo-rhino fight?:)
Posted @ Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:15 AM by Balazs
Bear wins. Case closed. Can we move on and start debating house mouse vs hamster? Now there's a REAL matchup!
Posted @ Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:05 PM by Royalaxation
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Posted @ Friday, April 29, 2011 11:25 AM by BrotherBear
THIS PAGE WAS WRITTEN BY AN IDIOT WHO HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE IS SAYING!!!  
Posted @ Friday, May 13, 2011 2:55 AM by This forum is not real, uninformed and plain stupid!
They wouldn't fight if they met. A bear looking for food would come upon a Gorilla who would pound his chest and try to scare the bear away. The bear would dig up some roots or grab some bananas out of a tree and throw the Gorilla one. Then they'd smoke a blunt together a fuck some whores and talk about how stupid humans are to talk about shit like this.
Posted @ Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:17 PM by Sol rosenburg
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Posted @ Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:35 AM by BrotherBear
If the 800 lbs Grizly vs the 500 lbs Silverback could be personified, it would be like Butterbean vs. Bruce Lee.
Posted @ Tuesday, May 17, 2011 2:18 PM by seJ
With that being typed, I would give 18 out of 20 matches to the late Mr Lee... HOWEVER, animals fair differently, so I would have to guess that the griZZZly could win against a silverback in its prime approx. 25% of the time.
Posted @ Tuesday, May 17, 2011 3:18 PM by seJ
Lion vs Tiger vs Grizzly vs Gorilla  
 
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Posted @ Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:29 PM by BrotherBear
The bear has a size advantage over the gorilla, but the gorilla is way smarter than a bear! If the gorilla is able 2 get on top of the bears bac it over 4 yogi!
Posted @ Friday, May 27, 2011 11:16 AM by KingPiman
If your pitting a 800lb grizzly against a 500lb Gorilla, yes I think the grizzly would win, mainly due to the size advantage and claws. However I think the Gorilla would put up a damn good fight. If you have ever seen one these beasts in person you know that they are massively built, most picture do not do them justice because there is no human or anything else to establish the perspective.  
 
I think most grizzly's would be caught off guard by the gorillas retaliation once it got pissed off. If the gorilla could break one of the bears arms or get on the bears back the bear would be in a world of trouble. 
 
Put a 500lb grizzly against a 500lb silverback and all bets are off. I actually think the gorilla would prevail when sizes are equal, a same-sized gorilla undoubtedly is stronger than the bear and with the reach/intelligence advantage, the bears claws do not seem enough to save it. 
 
As much as I hate to condone it, I would pay to see this fight.
Posted @ Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:15 AM by Joe
A gorilla has the potential to win.....if a chimpanzee can rip your arm off, a gorilla can rip your limbs off and beat you with them. But gorillas lack the killer instinct to do so..... the gorilla would be on the defensive where as the bear is a killing machine going for its next meal to survive. As agile as the gorilla is, I can't see it getting close enough to the bear to do damage as the bear would swat away the gorillas attempts to land blows. Short of teaching a captive gorilla kung fu, advantage bear.
Posted @ Saturday, May 28, 2011 6:57 AM by Carlos
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Posted @ Friday, June 17, 2011 7:14 AM by BrotherBear
You forget that bears are pretty intelligent as well the gorilla. But frankly, intelligence won't win the battle. In Nature, size and strength will almost always win the fight. It's why most of the time predators will never touch a large herbivore, especially if its well armed and pretty aggressive, unless the predator has a clear advantage, though such an advantage would only pertain to terrain and time of day. Bears are the exception to this case. 
 
 
 
Bears are very aggressive animals, and they are among the worst animals that you want to catch off guard. Especially a mother, because if she thinks her cubs are in danger and flight is not an option or the thing in question that's threatening her cubs continues to be such a threat, there is nothing in the world that she would not hesitate to attack and/or kill, even if its a larger male. And the species itself has been known to hunt larger and equally dangerous herbivores like the bison and moose. 
 
 
 
That being said, the gorilla has almost no chance. The bear has the size, strength, and speed advantage. The only chance a gorilla could have is if the battle took to the trees, but even that's a small chance at victory for it. 
 
 
 
Otherwise, it's a piece of cake for the bear. They're among the most aggressive and powerful animals in the world, and if they want something, there's not very much that can and will stop them. Not even a silverback.
Posted @ Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:08 PM by Brandon
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Posted @ Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:47 AM by BrotherBear
one thing your forgetting alot of the bears wieght comes from fat not muscle, also they have done studies and measured a gorrilas punch force.....it hits with the force of a jackhammer, no lie, one hit on a bears head with that force can split its skull open, like a rifle bullet can split a bears skull so can a jackhammer.
Posted @ Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:03 AM by Zxyz
if the gorilla is defending his troop. he WILL fight to the death. the bear however would be in it for the meal. the bear is bigger but considering a gorillas strength and bone desity the weight would not make a difference. the size however yes , the bear is taller so that hight might give him the advantage in striking or biting the gorillas head and or neck. bears are much faster then people think (when running from point a to point b) gorillas can't run as fast (slightly faster then humans) but they are far more agile then the bear. there is also the fact that a gorilla can strike with a closed fist. (generating more force)i'm pretty sure no matter who wins unless one of them runs away they will both (even the winner) will be crippled in some way. the bear also has bigger claws that can lasserate the gorillas chest (since its a mountain gorilla its thick fur will add some small protecting against the claws but not much). a gorilla's bite force is about 1300 psi (thats stronger then a lions). and yes a gorilla could easily land more then a few bites on the bear. because of its hands it can grab the bear and try to pin it down as it bits and clobbers it with bone crushing force. (that is if the bear does not try the same thing.) if the gorilla pins the bear its pretty much over even a bears mighty form can not withstand that kind of force. if the bear could get a good hold around the gorilla`s neck with its jaw it could win the fight but not with out a few busted ribs. there is also the chance that the gorilla could ppund the bears very sensitive nose (1000 times more sensitive then a humans) it would be worse then getting kick in the nuts, that would not end the fight but it would give the gorilla chance to end it. but i doubt the gorilla would think to jump up and bop the bear in the nose (unless the bear was biting the gorilla in a way that it could reach the bears nose with its fist , it might randomly start pounding the bear in the head and it may end up striking the bears nose. in any case all those strikes to the head would surely weaken the bear , although the goes for bears bite.) 
 
 
 
with two creatures like this I don`t think there would be an absoulte winner all the time . it depends on who can gain the advantage position long enough to strike the fatal blow. they both already have their advatages . but because of the gorilla`s agillity and brains , im gonna give (this round) to the gorilla. (sorry if this comment is all over the place)
Posted @ Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:26 PM by justforfun
To all you Winnie the Pooh humpers consider that the 'puny' gorilla has the most potent weapon of them all - a big brain. I would bet that in the extremely unlikely scenario of these two beasts squaring off in the wild, the gorilla could improvise a fairly clever means to defeat the bruin.  
 
Remember that we POS hominids are the real apex predators b/c of our 3lbs of meat rolling about in our boney domes. True, most any large animal can kick our ass in a claw-to-fingernail fight. But give us something to work with like a pointy length of wood or sharpened stone, then the fight's on! We're now so efficient at killing things we need to enact wildlife protection - from ourselves.  
 
With its size and physical attributes, Cousin Gorilla of course has the benefit of being able to physically defend itself while using its noggin to concoct an effective offense. Do you think it's implausible for king kong to, say, pick up a big-ass 300-lb rock and drop it down on Winnie's head? Irregardless of how mondo hard the bear's skull is, I'm pretty sure rock is harder and tougher. Gorilla wins, a-holes!
Posted @ Saturday, July 09, 2011 9:19 AM by Chalupa
Or it could be God is the reason why were apex though dude. ....."cousin" gorilla?
Posted @ Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:48 PM by Zxyz
I think the gorilla would win, if and only if he could get Don King to promote the fight.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:27 AM by Aaron Rogers
Which one is the gorilla?
Posted @ Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:29 AM by Damian Freeman
I think the Gorilla are not solitary. The whole family will drive them away. Gorilla might even swing a large branch or throw a big rock at the Grizzly.Does anybody know if bear and gorilla lives in the same habitat?
Posted @ Friday, July 22, 2011 1:06 PM by elvis
gorilla kills bear case closed
Posted @ Wednesday, July 27, 2011 4:39 AM by keni-keim
Seriously guys? The things you're coming up with - 'throwing feces' 'throwing bananas or rocks'. A Gorilla has immense strength and brutal power - a Bear simply does not have the speed to match the Gorilla. It would ultimately tire and then get beaten to a pulp by the Gorilla. WIN.
Posted @ Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:08 PM by OhMyGod
The gorilla can use his feet like he can use his hands. That's why gorilla's would always win. Here's how it goes... The bear swipes and the gorilla catches the bear's arm, then the bear swipes with it's other arm and the gorilla grabs that one too. Then the gorilla grabs a rock with it's foot and smashes the bears teeth out and then beats the rest of the bears skull in with the rock and it's fists.
Posted @ Sunday, August 07, 2011 5:51 PM by Scallywag
This is how i think the fight should've gone. The Grizzly will charge the possible threat, the gorilla, noticing the enemy will try to scare the enemy probably beating his chest and roaring, yet it doesn't phase the grizzly, the gorilla will soon charge as well, the grizzly will throw a few blows to the gorillas face dazing the gorilla. The grizzly now jumps on the gorilla, but the gorilla regains his senses and grabs the grizzly's neck, keeping the grizzly's powerful bite at bay. The gorilla throws the bear to the ground with a little struggle. The grizzly, while on the ground strikes the gorilla yet again and dazing the gorilla and delaying the gorilla's onslaught. The gorilla comes back pounding the grizzly with 700 pound punches. The grizzly hangs on to life as the gorilla beats him to death.. So the gorilla won. Why? Because the grizzly is a mindless brute and the gorilla has the knowledge and strength to manage, and kill the grizzly. An average man is strong enough to lift his own body weight (which is averaged around 170-190) and a chimpanzee (very similar to the human and gorilla) is able to lift 3 times that much and weighs 200 pounds on average. Thats around 500 pounds of strength (250 per arm!!) No one has examined the strength of a gorilla but studying on this it based on the weight of the gorilla (which is around 600 pounds) and the genetic similarities will probably have 3 times the strength of the chimp. Which is 1500 pounds!!!!! That explains the gorilla throwing around the grizzly. Not only that but the gorilla has 1220 pound bight! A bite that can easily rip through the grizzly's neck. Seeing from both gorilla and grizzly fights they would both end up in the same position of wrestling each other to the ground and although the grizzly can pull up to 2 tons with his neck he can only wrestle with 800 pounds of that power. but the gorilla has almost twice that much power. The gorilla has massive canines but so does the the grizzly. The grizzly also have massive claws to strike opponents with and would prove a challenge to the gorilla. The grizzly also has an instinct of going for the neck but the gorilla does not.
Posted @ Tuesday, August 09, 2011 1:05 PM by LogicalMan
Trust me guys, the gorilla would win, but neither could fight a honey badger
Posted @ Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:33 PM by Hunter
Hey, cmbnig! Shut the fuck up, you human-loving dumb ass! You're so desperate for attention and to prove how humans are awesome that you'd sink low enough shit on everyone who's different from you. It's you who has no friends. 
 
You and your kind make me ashamed to be human. Why don't you shove your animal-hating bullshit up your ass and go fuck yourself. 
 
Fuck you and humanity (but not all of it)! Mankind (again, not all of it) makes me sick because of the shit they did and do to animals. Hell, they cause more trouble than animals. 
 
@Chalupa: 
 
"How low you'd sink as to call bear lovers 'Winnie the Pooh' humpers when you yourself hump gorilas. You're just as much of an arrogant asshole as cmbnig. 
 
If you can't stand gorilla haters and bear lovers, then get the hell out of this webpage and do something else with your own damn time!>:(" 
 
@keni-keim: 
 
"If I'm that bear and your that gorilla, I'd kill you by slamming one of powerful claws into your back or head as hard as I can so that it can break." 
 
@Hunter: 
 
"I'll never trust you. What makes you so sure that gorillas could win? That's debatable. 
 
If you love those kinds of apes so much, then you can have sex with those apes and fuck each other to death for all I care." 
 
@MrAlien123456: 
 
"I agree with you on the fight between T. Rex (my favorite animal of all) and a gorilla. What King Kong did to that dino just sickens me. And so, it's one of the things that made me misanthropic and resentful towards gorillas, although I don't hate all humans and gorillas. 
 
You're so right about cmbnig being a spoiled little brat. But I wish that you wouldn't find him or her funny. He or she should be taken seriously. 
 
If I ever met cmbnig in real life, I'd likely beat the hell out of him or her." 
 
@everyone else: 
 
"Oh sure, gorillas do have great strength. But if you think about it, brown bears are much tougher than they look. Why, Kodiak and polar bears can stand better chances against those apes because they're larger and heavier. 
 
I bet that you can tell he reason that I root for the bear and not the gorilla. Why, I'd love to see the grizzly chomp off the ape's hands and arms, and ravage the rest of the simian body. 
 
And those things that I wish bears would do are what I want to see T. Rex and Godzilla do to King Kong and the Hulk because I love reptiles a lot more than mammals just as much as I like non-primates more than primates."
Posted @ Monday, September 05, 2011 6:45 PM by misanthrope
Grizzly wins hand-down even against 2-3 gorillas... his bony strength is huge (this means he is like a "boxer-who-can-take-punishment"). A single pawn of this beast decapitated bisons...
Posted @ Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:32 AM by Gianluca
David killed a bear. I would like too, IF probably I had "Nine Yang Divine Skill".
Posted @ Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:13 AM by El
The thing is . . . I would pre-calculate if I know that I can kill a bear with that. Human . . .! 
Posted @ Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:17 AM by Hell
@MrAlien: agility is totally useless against the grizzly, you may not use a tactic smite and escapes because he never tires
Posted @ Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:02 AM by Gianluca
I'd like to imagine a Gorilla could beat a Grizzly Bear, but in the end it'd probably be the bear that emerges victorious. The Gorilla's intellect just wouldn't be enough.
Posted @ Saturday, November 12, 2011 4:15 AM by Anime
Remember how "Clyde" the Orangutan dismantled a Cadillac in that Clint Eastwood movie. Seriously, if forced to render an opinion (this discussion sound like Will Farrel's version of Harry Cary asking a guest "If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself?" Assuming that both creatures would be fighting to the end I would bet that a Gorilla would have the upper hand. Their speed, bite, and grip would be too much for anything but the largest of the the Polar Bears.
Posted @ Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:16 AM by Fuscia
djetanis, you seriously need to cool your jets. None of your knowledge on any subject justifies the way you treat people with your disgusting words of ridicule. Do some research on the subject of kindness.
Posted @ Saturday, November 19, 2011 1:41 AM by
grizzly bear vs gorilla winner grizzly bear kodiak bear vs gorilla winner kodiak bear polar bear vs gorilla not even a challenge winner polar bear(can wipe out any big cat)
Posted @ Monday, November 21, 2011 3:15 PM by jc
You people here forget one thing: the gorilla could grab a big log and beat the shit out of the bear. But I think both could win this fight because both are extremely strong and it's only a question of who hits hardest first^^
Posted @ Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:39 PM by Mitro
Gorilla is smarter, and maybe even stronger, but bear is meaner. 
 
Gorillas usually only attack to make you FUCK OFF AND STOP BOTHERING THEM - usually an issue of territorial challenges.  
 
Bears will go after you 'cause they're hungry. Bear is an apex predator. Gorilla is mostly herbivore. 
 
They couldn't have evolved in the same environment - no friggin' huge bears in Africa, even though that's where most of the other charismatic megafauna lives (including apex predators like lions). 
 
In Africa, there was only evolutionary room for one huge vicious mean predator that walks on two legs, and that's humans. And we're not part of this battle. 
 
Assuming our combatants are of roughly equal mass, and are fighting alone in an environment comfortable to them both, Gorilla would have an advantage at first, but wouldn't be able to keep up the necessary rage to stop Grizzly from feasting on his flesh. If Gorilla had the mentality of a chimp, things would be different - chimps are mean nasty creative fuckers, and they cheat. But Gorilla has the mentality of a gorilla.
Posted @ Monday, December 12, 2011 8:00 AM by Danny in Canada
My God, it is terribly sad when people rely on their own simplified opinions rather than actual facts. It seems very few people on this site have done ANY research. Here are basics but I don't care enough to type more to you people, but I advise you to research true scientific studies and their conclusions rather than delude yourself into thinking you have answers when you don't. 
 
 
 
When tested, the angry grizzly bears peaked out at 3-6 times the strength of an AVERAGE human. This means 3-6 times regular people on the average. If the Grizzly had the physical ability, this means it could bench press roughly 2,000 pounds. A grizzly bear is much slower, less agile, not as intelligent as a Gorilla. 
 
 
 
The Gorillas, when tested were on average 10 times the strength of the strongest humans alive, including all professional athletes and bodybuilders. This means a gorilla could bench press roughly 4,000 pounds. Thanks to the opposable thumb, sheer strength, extremetly thick skin and bones, agility, vitals that are difficult to acess, a gorilla could literaly tear the head off of a grizzly. or say lift the damn thing off the ground (with one arm, and that is no exaggeration) and toss it to the side. DON'T BELIEVE ME? Do the actual research before you give bullshit opinions with no factual base.
Posted @ Friday, December 23, 2011 2:14 AM by infoman22
Oh and BY THE WAY... Gorillas have a comprable biting force and canines to a grizzly's. Meaning Gorillas' teeth are as large and they bite down as hard as Grizzlys'. A grizzly does have the advantage of large sharp claws, but they would be useless when the gorilla quite easily breaks the bear's arms at the socket. This task of bluntly breaking the bones of a Gorilla (because they are built to withstand brutal attacks from other gorillas), would be a nearly impossible feat for the bear. A gorillas' flesh is quite thick and considering they often are bitten by other gorillas (which as I already said have gorillas have similar sized teeth and jaw strength as those of grizzly bears), even the claws will have a difficult time penetrating down to vital organs. 
 
 
 
Honestly, I would like to add that I have no bias as to whom I would prefer to win the fight. My post is the conclusion of thorough research. It is mathemeatically, highly unlikely for the grizzly bear to emerge victorius in this battle. This knowledge was put forth by the first hand research of many scientists and universities. Practically all of them would agree to my math, especially considering I use their own numbers. I'd like to add that the reason I feel no need to provide direct references because any research from major university or scientist renowned in the field will have similar statistics. If you truly wish to come by the knowledge, it is easily accessible to anyone willing to spend the time and effort. 
 
 
 
One last thing, I was hoping when I first came to this website to find some scientific analysis, but I've discovered it's more for people who would rather convince themselves that their own opinions are as valid as the decades of research. Many of you will never even bother looking to see what the facts are because you think you've already got them even though your facts are created by you in your head; this mentality is common, pathetically laughable, and a horrible deficit to all humanity, psychology proves that one.
Posted @ Friday, December 23, 2011 2:52 AM by infoman22
Bears are both strong and intelligent, being from the same family as the dog but honestly. Why the hell would post anything as stupid as that?! A gorilla can bench two small cars like say two honda civics with a sturdy bone structure. A man is weak and fragile but have kill bears using knives and spears, a gorilla uses rocks logs and other things to beat the shit out of predators and its not a human and its stronger than that 700 lb grizzly or lets say 1500lb brown bear. If you get hit by the muscle with a stick how would you feel? like a human with a base ball bat hitting a other human but the one with the bats on every roid and works out 7 hours a day and the other is one who does nothing but play video games. I love black bears and stuff but get your facts straight. Tigers slay bears and Silver backs slay tigers most of the time. Odole rules!!! 
 
Posted @ Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:19 PM by Derald
Go Grizzly Go 
Posted @ Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:15 PM by philycheese
I am of the belief the gorilla will win. This is just a personal opinion and reasons why. 
 
1. Humans have deterred bears using only their hands. 
http://juneauempire.com/stories/080608/sta_314413956.shtml 
http://www.backpacker.com/man_punch_bear_goat/blogs/daily_dirt/1848 
http://dudelol.com/DO-NOT-HOTLINK-IMAGES/Man-kills-a-bear-with-his-own-bare-hands-This-is-when-you-know-youre-a-man.jpg 
 
2. Animal Planet's Most extreme strength ranked the gorilla 8th (1 being strongest) out of 10 competitors. Bear was ranked 10th. 
 
3. The gorilla is smarter, more dextrous than the bear. His opposable thumbs will let him exploit weaknesses (eyes, nose, extremities) in ways the latter will struggle to do so. The hands also give potential improvisation and tool usage to the ape. He can pelt the bear with sticks and rocks. 
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1364810.ece And this was from a chimp. Now imagine the damage an ape 2-3 times the size of that chimp could do. 
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060812113302AAbejNL This mix of power and dexterity will aid the ape tremendously in a battle. 
 
4. http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/BITE-FORCE.htm Gorillas have massive bite forces, stronger than that of a bear. 
 
5. http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/dallas/headlines/20100306-Dallas-Zoo-says-response-to-gorilla-4093.ece Gives a number of cases of gorillas escaping their zoo enclosures. While normally quiet, gorillas can be explosive and fast when aroused. 
 
6. http://en.allexperts.com/q/Interspecies-Conflict-3754/Gorilla-Vs-Big-Cats.htm this expert states a gorilla has the upper body strength of 12-20 men and has bones 12 times denser than a man. The gorilla's long hairs could give protection against the bear's claws. For instance, if you're wearing a fur coat and a dog bit you, the coat will cushion some damage. also interesting to note the expert favors gorillas over big cats. 
7. http://www.awf.org/content/wildlife/detail/mountaingorilla Gorillas are 50-100 LB heavier and x10 stronger than the biggest american football players. Also states that the Silverback will give his life to protect his troop from poachers, leopards, and other silverbacks. A silverback gorilla won't hesitate to attack a bear if he feels it is threatening his troop. 
 
8. http://www.worldwildlife.org/what/wherewework/congo/species.html Gorillas have an armspan of 7 feet, so it would have greater reach than the bear as well. 
 
9. http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g235/scottwolverine1111/SuperScans0007.jpg a crocodile took an hour to kill a baboon. Primates are very difficult foes due to their strength and dexterity. 
 
10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtsb58tKEhM Gorilla breaks thick glass at a zoo. 
 
In conclusion I feel the gorilla's strength, brain, hands, and speed will cancel out the bear's size and claws. These are just my opinions so if someone disagrees, feel free to correct me. 
Posted @ Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:29 PM by Jam Saw
A gorilla is estimated to have the strength of 30 men one, one gorilla expert who raises them said they have strength that he has never seen in any other animal he estimates that one Gorilla has the strength of about 7-8 olympic lifters one olympic lifter can hoist 4-500 pounds over his head fairly easily. 
 
Another expert said they are able to flip a car with one arm, simply put a gorillas primary weapons are his bite force, which is stronger than even the big cats, and his prodigious strength not to mention that fact that he really has four hands and his intelligence. 
 
If the gorilla gets on his back and gets his arms around the grizzlies neck he would easily snap his neck like a twig, end of fight, this is how I believe it would play out if the gorilla who has the intelligence to avoid the bears primary weapon, which is his paws and maneuvers behind him or wrestles him until he is positioned behind him, the bear is in a world of trouble.  
 
The gorilla has the advantages in virtually every other dept, he is stronger, smarter, his bite force is much greater, he is more agile, and he has four very powerful hands that could easily restrain and possibly break the bears limbs, and if the gorilla was to get his hands in the mouth of the bear from the rear or the front the bears jaws would be ripped apart easily. 
 
Another gorilla handler said that if a gorilla gets his hands around you, you are not getting away no matter what you are, they are that powerful, they really have unearthly strength.  
 
If the Gorilla can avoid the bears paws which he has the intelligence to do, there is no other way the Grizzly could win he would be overmatched in strength, bite force, agility, grappling, intelligence, he would be at a major disadvantage grappling because he does not have any hands, completely outmatched in every other dept, the Grizzlies only chance would be to get a swipe in which would be difficult to do, this fight would eventually turn into a grappling contest where they would be tussling with each other which is advantageous for the Gorilla,once they engage its all Gorilla in my opinion he would overpower the Grizzly and break his neck, arms, and jaws.
Posted @ Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:05 AM by John
A Gorilla is estimated to have the strength of 30 men one, one Gorilla expert who raises them said they have strength that he has never seen in any other animal he estimates that one Gorilla has the strength of about 7-8 olympic lifters one olympic lifter can hoist 4-500 pounds over his head fairly easily. 
 
Another expert said they are able to flip a car with one arm, simply put a Gorillas primary weapons are his bite force, which is stronger than even the big cats, and his prodigious strength not to mention that fact that he really has four hands and his intelligence. 
 
If the Gorilla gets on his back and gets his arms around the Grizzlies neck he would easily snap his neck like a twig, end of fight, this is how I believe it would play out if the Gorilla who has the intelligence to avoid the bears primary weapon, which is his paws and maneuvers behind him or wrestles him until he is positioned behind him, the bear is in a world of trouble.  
 
The Gorilla has advantages in virtually every other dept, he is stronger, smarter, his bite force is much greater, he is more agile, and he has four very powerful hands that could easily restrain and even break the bears limbs, and if the gorilla was to get his hands in the mouth of the bear from the rear or the front the bears jaws would be ripped apart easily. 
 
Another Gorilla handler said that if a Gorilla gets his hands around you, you are not getting away no matter what you are, they are that powerful, they really have unearthly strength.  
 
If the Gorilla can avoid the bears paws which he has the intelligence to do, there is no other way the Grizzly could win he would be overmatched in strength, bite force, agility, grappling, intelligence, he would be at a major disadvantage grappling because he does not have any hands, completely outmatched in every other dept, the Grizzlies only chance would be to get a swipe in which would be difficult to do, this fight would eventually turn into a grappling contest where they would be tussling with each other which is advantageous for the Gorilla,once they engage its all Gorilla in my opinion he would overpower the Grizzly and break his neck, arms, and jaws.
Posted @ Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:09 AM by John
Not to mention if the Gorilla were to bite the Grizzly at the base of his skull he could easily snap his neck and kill it as well, all of which the Gorilla has the intelligence to do. There is no way a Grizzly beats a 500 pound GoriLla, the only chance he has is to get a swipe in and that is not a guarantee because of the Gorillas thick bone mass and density. 
 
Advantages Of Each Animal 
 
The Gorilla Could: 
1.Break his neck like a twig and kill him 
2.Rip his jaws apart and kill him 
3.Break his limbs and cripple him. 
4.Bite his neck and snap his spine 
5.Choke him to death. 
 
The Grizzly Could:  
1.Possibly swipe the Gorilla and kill him, but that is not a guarantee. 
Posted @ Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:24 AM by John
Not to mention if the Gorilla were to bite the Grizzly at the base of his skull he could easily snap his neck and kill it as well, all of which the Gorilla has the intelligence to do. There is no way a Grizzly beats a 500 pound Gorilla, the only chance he has is to get a swipe in and that is not a guarantee because of the Gorillas thick bone mass and density.  
 
Advantages Of Each Animal  
 
The Gorilla Could:  
1.Break his neck like a twig and kill him  
2.Rip his jaws apart and kill him  
3.Break his limbs and cripple him.  
4.Bite his neck and snap his spine  
5.Get him in a head lock and break his neck and choke him to death.  
 
The Grizzly Could:  
1.Possibly swipe the Gorilla and kill him, but that is not a guarantee.  
 
2. Try to bit the gorilla but he does not posses enough bite force to deter the Gorilla a Gorilla could easily break a Grizzlies bite by placing his hands in his mouth and separating his jaws at which point he could easily rip the Grizzlies jaws apart like twigs. Gorillas break 3-4 inch Bamboo like it is thread if you don't know Bamboo is one of the strongest building materials. Bamboo has a tensile strength of 28,000 per square inch. Compare that to tensile strength of steel, 23,000 per square inch, and you can begin to understand that bamboo is a strong wood.  
Yes, bamboo is actually one of the strongest materials around. Bamboo has a higher tensile strength than many alloys of steel, a higher compressive strength than many mixtures of concrete, and a higher strength to weight ratio than graphite. 
 
Many of the bamboo structures in Japan actually survived the atomic bombing during World War II. 
 
Citations:http://www.calibamboo.com/whybamboo.html 
 
 
Bamboo has a tensil strength stronger than steel and gorillas regularly snap 3-4 inch bamboo stalks as easily as a man snaps a twig, you think a Grizzlies spine or his limbs are stronger than 3-4 inch steel pipe? Of course you don't a Gorilla would snap a Grizzlies neck like a twig if he gets his arms around his neck. A gorilla has freakish unearthly strength by all estimations, and has no known natural enemies in the wild because no animal would dare approach it in a confrontational manner. I remember watching a documentary about Gorillas and a male silver back walk to a pond to drink and sat right down in a shallow portion of the swamp or pond in the midst of some full grown alligators the alligators simply got the hell up and left the narrator said that the Gorilla had nothing to fear because the alligators wouldn't dare approach him they must have had a bad experience in the past. A full blown silver back gorilla is more than a match for virtually animal, make no mistake about that.
Posted @ Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:54 AM by John
gorilla wins... infoman and john destroyed mraliens and atillas facts with simple facts 
 
 
 
 
 
the end
Posted @ Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:42 PM by bear lover
Some more food for thought a chimp is another very powerful animal did you see what that chimp did to that mangled woman on TV? He ripped her eyes out, completely crushed her facial structure, and the cop that shot and killed it said that he had no choice because he jumped into his squad car to get away but the chimp ripped his driver side door off while it was locked like it was made of balsa wood, a chimp is only a 6th the size of a gorilla and not nearly as powerful but it had enough strength to rip doors off a car a mangle a woman so bad that even after reconstructive surgery she still looked terrible which is a sad, thing how powerful do you think a gorilla is based on that?
Posted @ Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:37 PM by john
A Gorilla is estimated to have the strength of 30 men, one Gorilla expert who raises them said they have strength that he has never seen in any other animal pound for pound he estimates that one Gorilla has the strength of about 7-8 olympic lifters one olympic lifter can hoist 4-500 pounds over his head fairly easily. 
 
Another expert said they are able to flip a car with one arm, simply put a Gorillas primary weapons are his bite force, which is stronger than even the big cats, and his prodigious strength not to mention that fact that he really has four hands and his intelligence. 
 
If the Gorilla gets on his back and gets his arms around the Grizzlies neck he would easily snap his neck like a twig, end of fight, this is how I believe it would play out if the Gorilla who has the intelligence to avoid the bears primary weapon, which is his paws and maneuvers behind him or wrestles him until he is positioned behind him, the bear is in a world of trouble. 
 
The Gorilla has advantages in virtually every other dept, he is stronger, smarter, his bite force is much greater, he is more agile, and he has four very powerful hands that could easily restrain and even break the bears limbs, and if the gorilla was to get his hands in the mouth of the bear from the rear or the front the bears jaws would be ripped apart easily. 
 
Another Gorilla handler said that if a Gorilla gets his hands around you, you are not getting away no matter what you are, they are that powerful, they really have unearthly strength. 
 
If the Gorilla can avoid the bears paws which he has the intelligence to do, there is no other way the Grizzly could win he would be overmatched in strength, bite force, agility, grappling, intelligence, he would be at a major disadvantage grappling because he does not have any hands, completely outmatched in every other dept, the Grizzlies only chance would be to get a swipe in which would be difficult to do, this fight would eventually turn into a grappling contest where they would be tussling with each other which is advantageous for the Gorilla,once they engage its all Gorilla in my opinion he would overpower the Grizzly and break his neck, arms, and jaws. 
 
 
 
 
Not to mention if the Gorilla were to bite the Grizzly at the base of his skull he could easily snap his neck and kill it as well, all of which the Gorilla has the intelligence to do. A full grown silver back gorilla is no easy win for any animal the only chance he has is to get a swipe in and that is not a guarantee because of the Gorillas thick bone mass and density. 
 
Advantages Of Each Animal 
 
The Gorilla Could: 
1.Break his neck like a twig and kill him 
2.Rip his jaws apart and kill him 
3.Break his limbs and cripple him. 
4.Bite his neck and snap his spine 
5.Get him in a head lock and break his neck and choke him to death. 
 
The Grizzly Could: 
1.Possibly swipe the Gorilla and kill him, but that is not a guarantee. 
 
2. Try to bit the gorilla but he does not posses enough bite force to deter the Gorilla a Gorilla could easily break a Grizzlies bite by placing his hands in his mouth and separating his jaws at which point he could easily rip the Grizzlies jaws apart like twigs. Gorillas break 4-5inch Bamboo like it is thread if you don't know, Bamboo is one of the strongest building materials. Bamboo has a tensile strength of 28,000 per square inch. Compare that to tensile strength of steel, 23,000 per square inch, and you can begin to understand how powerful a full grown silver back is. 
Bamboo is actually one of the strongest materials around. Bamboo has a higher tensile strength than many alloys of steel, a higher compressive strength than many mixtures of concrete, and a higher strength to weight ratio than graphite. Many of the bamboo structures in Japan actually survived the atomic bombing during World War II. 
So when a Silver Back Gorilla snaps 4-5 inch bamboo he is exerting over 28000 pounds of pressure per square inch possibly even more depending on the thickness of the bamboo, and he does that with ease no strain involved imaging if the Gorilla is enraged, how powerful would he be then !?, jeeez. I think that is more than enough force to snap any animals limbs or neck with ease. He has bite force that is greater than the big cats around 1300 pounds per square inch. Lions and Tigers bite force is around 1000 pounds per square inch 
 
Citations:http://www.calibamboo.com/whybamboo.html 
 
 
Bamboo has a tensil strength stronger than steel and gorillas regularly snap 4-5 inch bamboo stalks as easily as a man snaps a twig, you think a Grizzlies spine or his limbs are stronger than 4-5 inch steel pipe? Of course you don't, a Gorilla would snap a Grizzlies neck like a twig if he gets his arms around his neck. A gorilla has freakish unearthly strength by all estimations, and has no known natural enemies in the wild because no animal would dare approach it in a confrontational manner. 
 
I remember watching a documentary about Gorillas and a male silver back walked to a pond to drink and sat right down in a shallow portion of the swamp or pond which was a few feet deep in the midst of some full grown alligators the alligators simply got the hell up and left, the narrator said that the Gorilla had nothing to fear because the alligators wouldn't dare approach him in any way confrontational or otherwise I saw it with my own eyes they got they hell up and left when they saw him coming, talk about respect, they must have had a bad experience in the past. 
 
My brother told of an incident he saw, a program on television where poachers tried to kill a Gorillas family the male Gorilla I would assume caught them by surprise and nothing was left but pieces of body parts the Gorilla literally tore then limb from limb. But you don't hear much about accounts like those because Gorillas are already an endangered species because of poaching and they want to preserve the species as opposed to promoting an image of a dangerous, ferocious, violent, beast which they can be if they feel threatened. There are accounts of Gorillas bending steel bars with ease no animal that I know of can do that not bears, bulls, lions tigers, but there are well known incidents of Gorillas doing it with ease. and it is not surprising considering what they do to 5 inch bamboo stalks on a regular basis which has a higher tensile strength than steel. A full grown silver back gorilla is more than a match for virtually animal, make no mistake about that. 
 
I had to revise the post guys because I left out a lot of info, I couldn't edit the previous post so I had t post more than once, sorry.
Posted @ Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:41 PM by john
1. What's more is that Gorillas show no fear of buffalos even. A female gorilla with her baby walked up to a bull buffalo and it was the bull which panicked and fled. The silverback has no predators. 
 
2. There was another case in which a baboon severely bit and likely killed a leopard in a struggle. 
http://www.malamala.com/MM7/LEOP_hlarulini.htm If this was what a small baboon could do to a predator, I can't imagine the damage a GORILLA could do with the same attitude/mentality. 
 
3. The role of the dominant Silverback is to protect the troop from enemies and gather food. This requires great strength. Silverback gorillas can fight very seriously and use their canines to inflict deep gaping wounds. On the former, CARNIVORA forum- it was posted that gorilla skulls were found with the canines imbedded in the skull. 
 
4. All this talk about how big cats and bears will own apes yet there exist numerous cases of men beating big cats/bears with nothing but their hands. 
http://bigcatrescue.blogspot.com/2009/09/man-captures-tiger-with-bare-hands.html 
 
5. So many people are hating on primates, calling them mentally weak incompetents and poor fighters. They absolutely ignore the technical aspects of the fight- intelligence, strategy, dexterity, and improvisation. Besides man, what animal possesses a primate's combination of strength and dexterity? None. Hands let the ape manipulate the environment and strike the vulnerable spots of an opponent like eyes and mouth in ways other animals can't do. 
 
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz8NQdgj-iY If this Silverback were fully enraged, I don't see a grizzly beating him. In terms of body build, you have to say Gorillas are every bit as impressive as bears 
 
7. And lastly, bears DO NOT, I REPEAT, CANNOT KILL WITH SINGLE PAW SWATS!!! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdTdp7Ep6AM 
Posted @ Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:22 PM by Jam Saw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdTdp7Ep6AM  
 
Looks like rudolph was giving the bear a run for his money for as long as it lasted, a caribou is merely an oversized dear, its my understanding that the caribou was also injured and weakened, but in all fairness that was a female bear. But in terms of killing with swats I would have to disagree with you there bud, there have been accounts of that, one man had is face virtually tore off from being hit by a brown bears paw. So they are a force to be reckoned with but a man is not a 5-600 pound gorilla with unearthly strength. 
 
One other thing guys as it relates to bamboo I remember several years ago trying to break a bamboo stalk about a half inch thick I put the fricking bamboo against my knee and pulled with everything that I had with both hands on either side and only managed to bruise the hell out of my knee, it also put to much stress on my joints and felt pain it that area. I couldn't even manage to get even a crackle out of the thin piece of wood the stuff is crazy strong and durable, but again Gorillas snap 4-5 inch stalks as easy as I snap a breadstick, now I'm 230-240 solid muscle have been weight training since I was about twelve years old and have a wealth of knowledge about building muscle and strength, but was completely humbled by the little piece of wood, Gorillas are freakishly strong. http://www.strengthtraining1.info
Posted @ Monday, January 30, 2012 1:06 AM by john
ok here it is the gorilla is an awesome animal and the bear is just a killing machine,it can crush a moose skull with one blow!!!so the grizzly bear is no joke.i heard the argument about the ape being more fit due to eating vegetation and the grizzly getting winded because of the hot african air and the ape being able to throw bananas at the grizzly and so on but lets throw a giant panda in the fray,although it is so cute and cuddly looking and spends most of the day eating bamboo it is a viscous predator when pissed off.not only that neither the grizzly or the silver back could hang with the giant panda especially because he can fashion up some nasty bamboo nun chucks and put those mother f-----s on their ass!!!if a giant panda shows up to the fight pissed off and what not the ape,the grizzly,and the kitchen sink better fall the f--k back b and that aint no sh-t right there if they tangle with the giant panda thats their last.peace!!!
Posted @ Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:12 AM by allan vanreijsen
woah woah woah a damn gorrilas bite force is stronger then a bears a bears bite force is not 1800 pounds whoever said that is really retarded a beaars bite force is a lil more then 800 pounds while a gorrilas is more then 1300 pounds while a gorilla can snap tempered steel 2 inches thick it would outsmart a bear prolly jump on its back and pound on its face prolly throw a rock at the bear dont forget a gisilverback mountain gorrilas strength is about 9 times stronger then a worldstrong man so about 8000 pounds of force would hit upon the bear no matter how fat and big the bear is is cannot handle the gorrilas itellect and strength
Posted @ Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM by as
1. http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/2008/3/Grizzly-bear-vs-Silverback.htm This expert favors the Gorilla over the Grizzly Bear. 
 
2. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1955&dat=19540513&id=KAwrAAAAIBAJ&sjid=WZoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6022,5735906 A young 200 Lb Gorilla is already strong enough to bend steel bars. 
 
3. http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/cp-article.aspx?cp-documentid=25194954 polar bear runs away after man punches its nose. 
4. This is the strength of a CALM Silverback Gorilla. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNdURQEOki0 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb-vpmW1n7U&feature=related 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4amRA0jl0qI&feature=related 
 
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KujmrcF0ZxU&feature=related They can move frighteningly fast through the undergrowth. Had that man not dropped the baby Gorilla, it's very likely the Silverback would've killed him 
 
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EWkR_i0mns The grip strength of an orangutan. An excited ape could easily break and dislocate bones with its vice like grip. If the gorilla were to grab ahold of the bear's arm and yank it any which way, the bear would be seriously injured 
 
7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvH8Z-QToc0&feature=related chimp destroys woman's face and hands. Now picture an attack from an ape 2-3 times stronger than that chimp. The gorilla's strength to maul the bear will be cataclysmic. 
 
8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ebd36p4zkw baboon chases and intimidates lion. It would seem baboons can give quite an account of themselves against bigger predators. 
 
To all those people out there bashing primates, learn what you're talking about. A lot of you are saying lions and grizzlies will annihilate gorillas because they're bigger, have claws, gorillas are thin-skinned, etc. Sources state just the opposite. A gorilla's strength, intelligence, hands, and potential improvisation can effectively counter claws/predator instinct. Gorillas are also very aggressive in defending the troop and would be willing to do the same if a grizzly/lion threatened its troop. Bears/Lions run from smaller animals all the time. 
 
I posted a source stating gorillas have x12 denser bones than humans. the primate also has long thick hair to protect it from claws, teeth. So breaking a gorilla's bones with blunt force is extremely hard. Not to mention an ape could potentially grab logs and stones to try and pound the bear off.
Posted @ Friday, February 03, 2012 1:09 AM by Jam Saw
Humans can kill bears using petty sticks and logs. 
1. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1075830/Bring-sweetie-Man-kills-bear-stick-hes-got-scars-prove-it.html 
http://www.ammoland.com/2009/06/12/man-saves-son-fights-off-bear-with-stick/ 
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/24/us/24bear.html 
 
2. http://www.seaworld.org/animal-info/info-books/gorilla/physical-characteristics.htm Gorillas have larger muscles in their arms than in their legs (the opposite is true for humans). This is primarily due to the fact that they use their increased arm strength for bending and gathering foliage and for defense. An adult gorilla's upper body strength is six times more powerful than that of an adult human - enabling them to lift, break, and squeeze heavy objects. The head of a gorilla is massive, with a bulging forehead overhanging the eyes and a bony sagittal crest on top (high-domed head). The sagittal crest (especially noticeable in males) supports the large temporal muscles needed to grind coarse vegetation. The large bulging forehead functions primarily to protect the eyes. 
 
3. http://answers.yourdictionary.com/animal-life/where-do-gorillas-sleep.html If leopard predation was such a threat, why would male gorillas sleep on the ground? Exactly, because leopards can't prey on silverbacks. 
 
4. http://en.goldenmap.com/Eastern%20lowland%20gorilla According to the late John Aspinall, a 550lb male Eastern Lowland Gorilla in his prime has the combined strength of 7–8 heavyweight Olympic weightlifters. Eastern Lowland Gorillas along with Mountain Gorillas are the largest primates in the world. 
 
I think its fairly clear by this point in terms of sheer raw strength, gorilla > Bear
Posted @ Friday, February 03, 2012 2:10 AM by Jam Saw
1. http://saveagorilla.org/30-Gorillas.html Interactions between social units by silverbacks accounts for over 60 percent of all wounds on gorillas. Gorillas can recover amazingly well. 
 
2. http://saveagorilla.org/60-Questions.html Gorillas can be fiercely protective if their families are in danger. Because they are sociable animals, gorillas try to protect one another from potential danger. Adult gorillas commonly risk their lives to defend their young from poachers and other dangers, and often die in the process. 
 
3. http://books.google.com/books?id=5ycHAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA454&dq=nimbleness+that+could+not+have+been+surpassed&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false An old hunting account of a fight between a Gorilla and Crocodile in which the gorilla broke the reptile's legs. 
 
4. http://books.google.com/books?id=F7_u-myEgPAC&pg=PA28&dq=gorilla+no+lion+or+leopard&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false Gorillas have no natural enemies. Even a lion or leopard would not dare attack one. For a poacher to kill an infant, he could end up having to kill the entire family as it rushes to defend the baby. 
 
5. http://books.google.com/books?id=A_VMAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA94&dq=gorilla+lion+bewildered&hl=en#v=onepage&q=gorilla%20lion%20bewildered&f=false An 1860's account describing a battle between a lion and gorilla. Now you may ask why I'm posting all this? It is a response to old hunter stories where bears survived "massive blunt trauma." I can fire right back and post century old sources regarding a gorilla's ferocity and how it was feared more than the lion. I can also cite cases of bears being subdued with mere pocketknives and sticks. Selective posting can get you pretty far. 
 
6. An often cited quote by ape haters is a leopard can kill a silverback so a lion/tiger/grizzly would destroy one. That would be the same as me using this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frvRc80euAE as an excuse to say a lion is no match for any animal bigger than a honey badger. 
 
7. And to those who mistakenly believe a bear can kill big herbivores with single paw swats think again: 
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ys1msOAETFEC&pg=PA210&dq=american+buffalo+busting+every+rib&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false Bison kills bear by breaking every rib in its side. So there goes the one paw swipe theory..... down the drain. 
 
You know what's sad though? I haven't provoked a single intelligent rebuttal by the bear side. I have gotten intelligent responses favoring the gorilla backed with sources. Truly sad. You people just bash apes in the ugliest of ways- saying they're poor fighters, mentally weak incompetents, poor helpless veggies, blah blah blah.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:55 PM by Jam Saw
King Kong is a fictional character, a giant movie monster resembling a gorilla, that has appeared in several movies since 1933. These include the groundbreaking 1933 movie, the film remakes of 1976 and 2005, as well as various sequels of the first two films. The character has become one of the world's most famous movie icons and, as such, has transcended the medium, appearing or being parodied in other works outside of films, such as a cartoon series, books, comics, various merchandise and paraphernalia, video games, theme park rides, and even an upcoming stage play.[1] His role in the different narratives varies, ranging from a rampaging monster to a tragic antihero. The rights to the character are currently held by Universal Studios, with limited rights held by the estate of Merian C. Cooper, and perhaps certain rights in the public domain (see below).
Posted @ Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:56 AM by cameron
The only one I liked was the 2005 version with Naomi Watts and that jewish guy with the huge nose. The Dinosaurs in there were pretty badass.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 14, 2012 3:09 PM by Kenny
did i ask for your opinion bitch?
Posted @ Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:20 AM by cameron
No. I just decided to throw my two cents in anyways...Ho
Posted @ Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:35 PM by kenny
wit yo punk ass! :P
Posted @ Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:39 PM by Kenny
Also, Leopards I am sure DO NOT predate on Healthy Silverback Gorillas and here's why 
 
1. A silverback Gorilla is immensely ferocious in defending his troop and will fight to the death to protect. Face to Face, Leopard has ZERO chance. How would you like to fight someone bigger, stronger, AND Smarter than you are? 
 
2. Schaller, a primatologist said he never saw an animal as relaxed and placid as a Gorilla. The silverback sleeps on the ground. Now if leopard predation was such a threat. Why do gorillas do this? 
 
3. The role of a silverback is to fight, mate, produce offspring, and PROTECT his troop. Now if he is constantly vulnerable to leopards- this is counterproductive to his success. Now animal can evolve into such a weak species. Why have a large body size, 2 inch canines, and a muscular frame? For what? To eat more food just to get eaten by a big cat? 
 
4. Primates are incredibly difficult prey due to their strength and dexterity. I can cite 4 cases where baboons came off the better against predators 
 
5. A gorilla has poor eyesight at nighttime. He can hardly see the leopard. I could beat up Mike Tyson if I had a knife and he was blind. Amazingly impressive isn't it? And he jumped the gorilla from BEHIND. That's the beauty of ambush. It's like a cheat code. Doesn't have to get past the gorilla's powerful arms..... 
 
I could also kill Hulk Hogan if he was asleep and I had a knife. Big deal. 
 
Ambush doesn't mean Jack Squint as to who would win between A and B. Nothing. Cat fans insist on having it the other way. They're the first to cry the cat was sick, old, weak if it gets beaten. But with EVERY other animal it was 100% completely healthy right? 
 
Hypocrites..... 
 
6. Predators are extremely overrated. Herbivores beat carnivores ALL THE TIME! Even a wildebeest can scare off a lone lioness on some occasions. 
 
7. So there's a common belief that gorillas can't beat any predator bigger than a leopard. Well that's the same as me doing this: 
 
-post a case of a leopard killing a zebra 
- post a case of a zebra killing a lion 
 
and then say lions are no match to leopards 
 
YOU SEE?! It's the art of selective posting. Gets you real far. REAL FAR. 
 
The problem with Big cat Fans is that they can't stand the fact there's animals that approach and exceed their animal in size and ability. Lynxes, bobcats, no problem because they don't approach their animal in size and strength. Now when we get to Grizzly Bears, Gorillas, Elephants, Boars they ridiculously underrate and trash them. Just to make their favorite animals seem unstoppable.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 06, 2012 2:47 PM by elliot
I mean, how can a gorilla be so weak he is no barely a leopard, an animal 1/2-1/3rd his size is something I'd like to know. Then why does he even have a large body size if its useless? If leopard predation was such a threat, the silverback wouldn't sleep on the ground. It would've gone long extinct if this is the case because no animal can grow to be such a pathetic species. 
 
Every single time somebody pits a gorilla against lions, grizzlies, tigers, jaguar- some ape hating bigot always brings up leopards. Leopard predation, leopard preys on gorillas, leopards, leopards blah blah blah 
 
predators use ambush to minimize the risk. That way a leopard bypasses the Gorilla's 7 foot long arms and canines. Like a cheat code. 
 
I'm pretty sure a tiger would also defeat a brown bear if the fight took place at night due to the cat's superior vision. There is nothing impressive about this. I just don't see how a leopard killing a gorilla at night when the latter can't see is impressive. Absolutely jack squat. But then a mob of people who don't think for themselves join in and start cashing in on the anti-ape bias. 
 
I really disdain this view which INSISTS apes are inferior fighters to big cats/bears. Overrated cheap gimmicks like claws and fangs don't win a fight. Herbivorous animals beat carnivores all the time. The majority of times carnivores are opportunistic. They go for the ailing, weak, elderly, and disabled. The healthy, prime specimens are left alone except when the predator has no other option. 
 
Humans have killed or deterred big cats/bears using only their hands! Is it far fetched to say a Gorilla can kill a big cat or bear if a human can? Is it? Am I saying humans will usually defeat big cats/bears in fights. No. I am saying a gorilla will be able to hold its ground and dish out serious damage before going down. 
 
And we are talking about face to face here. So ambush is really irrelevant. In a face to face fight, a leopard has no chance at all. It won't get anywhere near the gorilla without getting grabbed and crushed by those monstrously strong hands. 
 
Let me repeat FACE TO FACE. NO AMBUSH. NONE. 
 
There was however another account where a gorilla and leopard were both dead after a fight. That's all it said so its safe to assume the gorilla killed the leopard first. Then died later of wounds. The specifics of each aren't stated so it could be an old silverback against a youthful leopard. 
 
But bottom line- Great Apes vs Big Cats and Bears is a war that will never end. As long as 1 man makes a stand for the other side it will continue. Same goes for lion vs tiger, feline vs bear, crocodile vs shark, these animal debates are just idiotic wars that will never be won. We will obviously never see a Gorilla fight a grizzly bear or a tiger/lion. (Unless they met in a zoo in which case the gorilla would be the smaller western lowland gorilla variety) 1 fight doesn't determine anything even because there are so many factors going into it. The individual size, status, health, condition, resolve, on and on and on. 
 
If a grizzly and gorilla had a 100 fights both would get their own share of wins. We don't know. I personally favor the Gorilla due to his opposable thumbs and brains. I could be plain wrong. So this is just my opinion. 
 
So before some bear fan or cat fan sees this post and shouts at me for being an idiot, DO THE RESEARCH and learn what you are talking about before you come up here and talk trash. If you can't do the research, state WHO YOU THINK WILL WIN. Then walk away. Don't act like you know 100% a grizzly will win. Because it probably won't. 
 
I don't care if you don't support the ape. Fine. But don't make up unsubstantiated trash such as "Gorillas are not fighters" or "Bears are the 3rd strongest animals" blappity blappity blah. Because chances are, you're just pulling theories to feel smug inside.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:32 PM by FLYNN
People are forgetting the silverback's role is to mate, produce offspring, and protect his troop from predators. Silverback Gorillas are fierce in their defense of the troop and will fight to the death to protect their families. If it feels the bear is a sufficient threat, it WILL attack and it WILL kill. 
 
The ape's short muzzle is irrelevant. He has long dextrous forelimbs with which he can pull/position the bear near his bite. His hands could also manipulate the bear better and get it in a bad position. 
 
When Gorillas fight, they stand upright, flail their arms, grapple for position and bite. They usually avoid escalating the conflict with hooting and dramatic displays. But when the stakes are high enough, the conflicts become battles to the death. In which the huge silverbacks use their canines to inflict serious gaping wounds on one another. 
 
The Gorilla has longer reach and opposable thumbs with which it can hold off the bear, preventing him from reaching his throat. He could also potentially improvise a crude weapon to try and beat off the bruin. 
 
I don't exactly know who has a harder bite. But Gorillas can break bamboo which has a higher tensile strength than steel alloy so if he bit the bear its fair game. In fact I argue the bear's longer muzzle is a disadvantage. It gives the gorilla something to grab onto and gain leverage. 
 
Primates are explosively fast when aroused. Travis the Chimpanzee for instance went on such a rage, butcher knives and guns couldn't stop him. Based off that, how unstoppable will a gorilla be with the same attitude as Travis? 
The dominant Silverback has no serious predators other than man. His docile, unassuming demeanor is testament to this fact. I know of cases of Gorilla/buffalo interactions. The apes showed no fear of the bovids and chased the herbivores off when they got too close. 
 
Bushman of Chicago Zoo used to stretch a pneumatic car tyre the whole breadth of his armspan - a seemingly impossible feat and he also used to burst footballs while carrying them under his arm whilst running (this was when he was still not fully grown). Add to that the great dexterity and grasping ability of an ape's hands and limbs compared with the relatively non-dexterous bear paw and limbs 
 
I seriously doubt a grizzly is stronger than a gorilla. He is going up against an opponent just as strong if not stronger, smarter, faster, and more dextrous than he is. Add to this the silverback's aggression in defending his troop and the grizzly will have his paws full reacting to the fast-paced game. 
 
I am fairly confident when I say a Silverback Gorilla is capable of holding his ground against similar sized predators.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:03 PM by TNT GORILLA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYWt6jBUZDc Check out this enormous mountain gorilla silverback. If he was sufficiently angered, I can't see a grizzly having an easy way with him.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:18 PM by 200 foot tall Troll
I often hear the argument that while a gorilla will more often than not kill a leopard being so much larger, he will die of severe claw injuries. Now this doesn't make sense. 
 
1. Why give the gorilla a large body size if he's barely a match for an animal 1/2-1/3rd his size? What's the point of being 2-3 times bigger than somebody if you're barely a match to him? If this was true- predators would find it easier to prey on gorillas. They would be hunted to extinction. But this obviously isn't the case. 
 
2. Why does the silverback sleep on the ground if leopard predation is such a threat? 
 
3. It doesn't matter the leopard has claws and fangs. They are dwarfed by the gorilla's weapons. He is BIGGER. He is STRONGER. He is SMARTER. He has LONGER REACH. He is more DEXTROUS, allowing him to grip and manipulate the opposition better. All that being said, its suicidal for a leopard to tackle a gorilla face-on. 
 
4. The leopard-gorilla account FLYNN and TNT mentioned took place at night. Gorillas are just as blind as we are in dark. Obviously it cannot see the leopard. It can't see what is attacking it. It can't do more than blindly flail his arms vainly trying to fend off the attacker. Lets not forget the leopard jumped it from behind, sent it rolling downhill to limit his reaction time. If Mike Tyson was blind and I had a knife and jumped him from behind, sent him rolling downhill to limit his reaction- I could kill him too. 
 
And the next morning the gorilla was found dead, leopard gone. What that tells me is the gorilla repelled the cat. Why would a leopard just leave a dead gorilla sitting around? Wouldn't he eat the gorilla after killing it? 
 
5. a gorilla can also kill a leopard if he ambushes the cat. I can kill a UFC fighter if he was asleep and I had a knife with me. Predators use ambush when they tackle dangerous big game. A tiger ambushes a buffalo because that way it limits the buffalo's reaction time. That way the tiger bypasses the business end of the bovid with the sharp horns. Once a tiger latches onto a buffalo's rear, the bovid can't attack it. But that's what ambush is. Absolutely meaningless as to who would win face to face. And we are assuming a Grizzly and Gorilla (in this topic) are fighting face to face no ambush. 
 
6. I don't see how a similar size big cat or bear against a gorilla is a mismatch. If anything, a Gorilla's strength, reach, dextrous forelimbs, intelligence, and potential improvisation of tools would make it an incredibly tough foe. Factor in the Silverback's aggression in protecting his troop. 
 
Tactics such as eye-gouging, strangling, hitting sensitive facial areas, and tearing off testicles are WELL within a gorilla's capabilities and can cause instant damaging wounds on a bear. Just because a gorilla hasn't been observed doing these things doesn't mean one can automatically assume they are incapable of it. Nobody has witnessed the behavior of every wild gorilla on earth. Chimps do it- why can't a gorilla do the same? All a bear can do is paw swat and bite the gorilla, occasionally grapple. Its lesser brain and lack of dexterity severely limits its options compared to the primate. 
 
7. Bears run from smaller animals such as dogs, cougar, wolverine, and wolf. I can't see why an intimidating gorilla can't scare off a bear. If the grizzly threatened a gorilla troop, the silverback would put on such a show of force and display the grizzly could be scared into retreating. 
 
8. Predator instinct is overstated in these matchups. Herbivores do have a kill instinct. A horse may not be inclined to kill something. But if it feels sufficiently threatened and enraged- it will fight fiercely and kill. 
 
Deer can fight ferociously during the rutt season and bouts can end in serious injury. 
 
dominant silverback Gorillas sometimes do fight fiercely and use their canines to inflict gaping wounds 
 
9. Predators including grizzly are opportunistic. They go mainly for ailing, weak, elderly, and disabled. For instance if a tiger had a choice between a sick foal and a bull buffalo in rut pumped full of testosterone and confidence. Its obvious who it would pick
Posted @ Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:27 PM by M-52
A gorilla would win. The bear might be bigger but with the gorillas reach and strength, strong enough to flip a family size Sedan, the bear wouldnt get in close enough to bite the gorilla or swat it. The gorilla would evade the bears attacks therefore getting a sideview of the bear and hitting it with a hammer-fist on its back and breaking the bears spine. Gorilla is the victor. And those of you saying that a gorilla gets killed by cats all the time, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pRh0-qCj3s there you go.
Posted @ Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:20 PM by Ryan
bears and felines get so much undeserved hype its ridiculous.
Posted @ Friday, April 13, 2012 2:21 AM by Random citizen of the universe
goriillas have 12-20 times the strength of an average human being and can easily rip the arms off an atatcking grizzly at anytime in it's life. It is said that gorilla's also use large weapens they optain from fallen tree to defend themselves (they can also break down a tree with one arm) so the grizzly would get destroyed
Posted @ Sunday, April 15, 2012 3:56 PM by smarterthenyou
BEARS BEAT GORRILAS 
 
When the question “Would a Bear win in a fight against a gorilla” was proposed to me, I was first taken aback. I have been an animal biologist for 21 years and I am deeply opposed to making animals fight, such as with dog and chicken fights. It is cruel and unethical. Yet the question was very intriguing to me so I decided to research it. The first step I took was to decide which type of bear and what kind of gorilla would be fighting. The Kodiak bear is the largest (size comparable to Polar Bears) and most determined of bear, and the Mountain Gorilla is the largest of Gorillas. My initial instinct was gorilla, but I found from thinking and researching that the bear would be dominant. 
 
Although both grizzly bears and silverback mountain gorillas are known for their size and ferocity, most of this is an exaggeration, especially in the instance of the gorilla whose ferocity is mainly an act to intimidate predators. Grizzly Bears are natural predators, although their diet mainly consists of nuts, berries, and fish, they have been known to hunt and kill animals as large as moose. It is my personal opinion that evolution would favor the bear. While the gorilla has adapted to eat exclusively fruits and vegetables, the bear has adapted to hunt and kill when necessary. The fight might be caused because both animals are very territorial, yet while bears territory might range hundreds of square miles, the gorilla lives in a much smaller environment. The next factor which is a major contributor to the success of the bear is that adult male Kodiak (the largest sub-species of Grizzly) can weigh up to 2400 lbs and commonly reach heights to 10-11 feet tall. The male silverback gorilla however, has been known to reach only 500 lbs and reach up to 6-6.3 feet tall. Since the fight is destined to get close and personal, the teeth and claws of both animals are a major factor. The gorilla does not have claws but rather fingernails similar to human beings, its jaw has been known to have one of the most powerful bite forces in nature, but it was made to crush hard nuts, not bite into other animals. The bear on the other hand has 6 inch claws which are very hard and sharp, made for digging and catching fish, Grizzly Bears have been known to have 3.5 inch canine teeth used for ripping into and killing animals. 
 
Many might argue pro gorilla, they have opposable thumbs and a higher intelligence level, yet I do not believe either of these would contribute much to the success of the gorilla. In the proposed scenario, it was stated that the environment was not a contributing factor, so the gorilla could not use his thumbs to make any tools or weapons. This fight is hand to hand combat only. Yet while the gorilla’s evolved brain and agility may make it be able to outmaneuver the bear in the short run, the bears shear physical advantages and prowess would overpower the gorilla. 
 
Therefore, I think that the Bear is the obvious winner. Evolution has favored the bear in every way to make him a natural killer. I do not think this fight would ever come to pass, because both animals live on opposite ends of the world, however it would be a marvelous scene.
Posted @ Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:01 PM by D. A. Zarbwick
The bear would be the best bunching bag the gorilla ever had. Gorilla would win with sheer strength, sure a bear is bigger but it is not stronger.  
 
Humans have survived bear attacks, gorilla would have no problem getting a bear off of it, would probably pummel the shit out of the bear, and gorilla has a crazy ass bite force too people can't forget that.
Posted @ Saturday, May 05, 2012 7:25 PM by Dr. Pinto
Wanted to just throw in i seen the power of a silverback theyput his food behind a cage and to retrieve it he had to left a steel anvil and retrieve his food with the other hand, the anvil weighed in at 875lbs, dont under estimate their power, bears are visual attackers and a ape is low lined one bite if he gets the head turned and starts throwning limbs with a fist the size of a dinner plate game over, they snap bamboo with those jaws like tooth picks, primates are very smart in combat, and someone also mentioned a bear could beat a hippo, would never happen.
Posted @ Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:38 PM by dave
So many uneducated answers! especially the first couple..... The bear would win easily! They Are NOT lazy....they would see the gorilla as a stronger version of a man. Big deal. The Bear is stronger, and would snap the gorillas neck with one swipe! Like the do to a bull.
Posted @ Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:18 AM by randy
Uh you guys are forgetting a few things. Gorrilas spend most of their time on the ground than in trees, hell they're the only apes that do. The only time they go into trees is to get nesting material and sometimes food. But in the face of danger a silverback never climbs trees, he fights to the death if he has to. The bear on the other is just a huge furry bully in the wild, a better scavenger than hunter. If he gets injured in a fight that does not reward him with sex or a carcass that happened to belong to the defender before the bear came along the grizzly will hual his furry butt out of there. Whats more is that a silverback, like most primates, is intelligent and has oposable thumbs. If he decides to pick up a rock or tree branch and throw/hit the grizzly before it got to close to him than the fight could be decided right then and there. And before you say something about how this never works in the movies with people when they decided to hit bears with rocks and clubs, keep in mind that those people couldn't lift half a ton or rip the doors of a car without thinking twice. Plus when it comes to biting I gotta give it to the one that eats more plants the other. The bear's teeth are okay for sinking into flesh, but a gorrila's is more suited crunching on roots, twigs, and other tough vegetation. Plus they very thick muscle, so edge once again goes to the gorrila. 
 
 
 
To that one guy who said that a bear would only see a gorrila as a stronger human: Humans kill more bears a year than the others way around. If what say is true than...
Posted @ Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:03 PM by Bigmoe
Uh you guys are forgetting a few things. Gorrilas spend most of their time on the ground than in trees, hell they're the only apes that do. The only time they go into trees is to get nesting material and sometimes food. But in the face of danger a silverback never climbs trees, he fights to the death if he has to. The bear on the other is just a huge furry bully in the wild, a better scavenger than hunter. If he gets injured in a fight that does not reward him with sex or a carcass that happened to belong to the defender before the bear came along the grizzly will hual his furry butt out of there. Whats more is that a silverback, like most primates, is intelligent and has oposable thumbs. If he decides to pick up a rock or tree branch and throw/hit the grizzly before it got to close to him than the fight could be decided right then and there. And before you say something about how this never works in the movies with people when they decided to hit bears with rocks and clubs, keep in mind that those people couldn't lift half a ton or rip the doors of a car without thinking twice. Plus when it comes to biting I gotta give it to the one that eats more plants the other. The bear's teeth are okay for sinking into flesh, but a gorrila's is more suited crunching on roots, twigs, and other tough vegetation. Plus they very thick muscle, so edge once again goes to the gorrila. 
 
 
 
To that one guy who said that a bear would only see a gorrila as a stronger human: Humans kill more bears a year than the others way around. If what say is true than...
Posted @ Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:03 PM by Bigmoe
Adult males, also called silverbacks, range in height 1.65–1.75 metres (5 ft 5 in–5 ft 9 in), and in weight 140–200 kg (310–440 lb) gorillas can lift 8x their weight it's top speed is 25 mph
Posted @ Saturday, June 09, 2012 5:45 AM by Myself
An adult male kodiak bear. When standing fully upright on its hind legs, a large male could reach a height of 3 m (10 ft), weight ranges from 360 kg (800 lbs) to 635 kg (1400 lbs) at top speed is 30 mph
Posted @ Saturday, June 09, 2012 5:57 AM by Myself
A 1,400 lb bear can lift 2,520 lb... A 440 lb gorilla can lift 3,520... (forgot bit pressure) bears bite force 1,200 lb. Gorillas bite force 1,300 lb... gorillas advantages:strength, intelligence, reach, thumbs, agility, and bite force... Bears advantages:speed, height, weight, claws, and teeth... Idk this is a tough one unless they're same weight then it gorilla hands down
Posted @ Saturday, June 09, 2012 6:43 AM by Myself
I messed up on gorilla weight it's 600 lbs so its 4,800 lbs (2.4 tons) of force... I think thats it but I forgot to mention scientists made a hybrid of a gorilla and a grizzly they also made a cross between a grizzly and polar bears no joke look it up
Posted @ Saturday, June 09, 2012 5:12 PM by Myself
I messed up again a 1,400 lb kodiak can lift 1,140 lbs
Posted @ Saturday, June 09, 2012 10:38 PM by Myself
Fuck this... You are all stupid and ignorant! The guerrilla would easily dominate the stupid fucking bear. It's said that guerrillas can lift up to 7000 lbs over there head. It's obvious they could choke slam, forearm shiver, armbar, or even dismantle the bears limbs. Plus it has more offensive weapons.... Thumbssssss! It is said gorillas (if aggravated)can wipe out herds of wild hippos, so why not a single bear? A bear would get fucked up by a herd of wild hippos. It only makes sense that a gorilla vs bear would be equivalent to a pitbull fighting a disabled Housecat...That's right folks it would be a shit show....in conclusion I don't know how this could be an argument 
Posted @ Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:45 AM by Guerrilla lover
It has been estimated that a gorilla could kill a pack of wild hippos in a matter of minutes. It would be cruel thing to send abear at the gorilla. Can a bear kill a pack of hippos? Think about that. It would be the equivalent of a pitbull to a housecoat... A gorilla can lift 7000pounds above its head which signifies its ability to choke slam, paralyze, neck snap or dismember the arms of a bear.... Pshhh this argument is a joke....
Posted @ Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:53 AM by Gorilla lover
I doubt a gorilla can lift 7000lbs but but no1s recorded a silverback deadlift anything or casually lifted anything close to that... A hippo is the third largest land mammal by weight (between 1½ and 3 tonnes) I highly doubt a silverback culd kill a hippo unless the hippo was below 2 tons and the gorilla was on the side of the hippo and the gorilla jus picked up the hippo and through it or tipped it over because hippos are screwed if they fall down
Posted @ Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:25 AM by Myself
Did u guys ever heard of an special blow named "the lucky blow of a stupid creature"????.That blow consist in... 1 piece of branch who is fortunatly nearby Goh'rillas (plus) an flashy inspiration (plus) a tons of luck.noy mention grenades, poison snakes, land-mines and other things that a Gorillas could throw with... I just wanted to say: DO NOT MAKE BETS!!! like a fellow just did...600 milions dollars.;)
Posted @ Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:19 PM by Resentful
Are you people all out of your minds?! Clearly human intelligence is inferior to that of the Gorilla, if one is to read these entries. Give me a break! The Silverback Gorilla would clearly win! He would eventually put the bear in a bear hug and bite his neck or, jugular until the bear died! All other entries regarding the bear winning this match are pure fantasy!
Posted @ Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:21 PM by davet
A Gorilla is estimated to have the strength of 30 men one, one Gorilla expert who raises them said they have strength that he has never seen in any other animal he estimates that one Gorilla has the strength of about 7-8 olympic lifters, and that's a modest estimate,one olympic lifter can hoist 4-500 pounds over his head fairly easily.  
 
Another expert said they are able to flip a car with one arm, simply put a Gorillas primary weapons are his bite force, which is stronger than even the big cats, and his prodigious strength not to mention that fact that he really has four hands and his intelligence.  
 
If the Gorilla gets on his back and gets his arms around the Grizzlies neck he would easily snap his neck like a twig, end of fight, this is how I believe it would play out if the Gorilla who has the intelligence to avoid the bears primary weapon, which is his paws and maneuvers behind him or wrestles him until he is positioned behind him, the bear is in a world of trouble.  
 
The Gorilla has advantages in virtually every other dept, he is stronger, smarter, his bite force is much greater, he is more agile, and he has four very powerful hands that could easily restrain and even break the bears limbs, and if the gorilla was to get his hands in the mouth of the bear from the rear or the front the bears jaws would be ripped apart easily.  
 
Another Gorilla handler said that if a Gorilla gets his hands around you, you are not getting away no matter what you are, they are that powerful, they really have unearthly strength.  
 
If the Gorilla can avoid the bears paws which he has the intelligence to do, there is no other way the Grizzly could win he would be overmatched in strength, bite force, agility, grappling, intelligence, he would be at a major disadvantage grappling because he does not have any hands, completely outmatched in every other dept, the Grizzlies only chance would be to get a swipe in which would be difficult to do, this fight would eventually turn into a grappling contest where they would be tussling with each other which is advantageous for the Gorilla,once they engage its all Gorilla in my opinion he would overpower the Grizzly and break his neck, arms, and jaws.  
 
 
 
 
Not to mention if the Gorilla were to bite the Grizzly at the base of his skull he could easily snap his neck and kill it as well, all of which the Gorilla has the intelligence to do. A full grown silver back gorilla is no easy win for any animal the only chance the bear has is to get a swipe in and that is not a guarantee because of the Gorillas thick bone mass and density.  
 
Advantages Of Each Animal  
 
The Gorilla Could:  
1.Break his neck like a twig and kill him  
2.Rip his jaws apart and kill him  
3.Break his limbs and cripple him.  
4.Bite his neck and snap his spine  
5.Get him in a head lock and break his neck and choke him to death.  
 
The Grizzly Could:  
1.Possibly swipe the Gorilla and kill him, but that is not a guarantee.  
 
2. Try to bite the gorilla but he does not posses enough bite force to deter the Gorilla, a Gorilla could easily break a Grizzlies bite by placing his hands in his mouth and separating his jaws at which point he could easily rip the Grizzlies jaws apart like twigs. Gorillas break 3-4 inch Bamboo like it is thread if you don't know Bamboo is one of the strongest building materials. Bamboo has a tensile strength of 28,000 per square inch. Compare that to the tensile strength of steel, 23,000 per square inch, and you can begin to understand that bamboo is a strong wood.  
Bamboo is actually one of the strongest materials around. Bamboo has a higher tensile strength than many alloys of steel, a higher compressive strength than many mixtures of concrete, and a higher strength to weight ratio than graphite.  
 
Many of the bamboo structures in Japan actually survived the atomic bombing during World War II.  
 
Citations:http://www.calibamboo.com/whybamboo.html  
 
 
Bamboo has a tensil strength stronger than steel and gorillas regularly snap 3-4 inch bamboo stalks as easily as a man snaps a twig, you think a Grizzlies spine or his limbs are stronger than 4-5 inch steel pipe? Of course you don't, a Gorilla would snap a Grizzlies neck like a twig if he gets his arms around his neck. A gorilla has freakish unearthly strength by all estimations, and has no known natural enemies in the wild because no animal would dare approach it in a confrontational manner. I remember watching a documentary about Gorillas and a male silver back walked to a pond to drink and sat right down in a shallow portion of the swamp or pond in the midst of about four or five full grown alligators the alligators simply got the hell up and left, the narrator said that the Gorilla had nothing to fear because the alligators wouldn't dare approach him in any way confrontational or otherwise I saw it with my own eyes they got they hell up and left when they saw him coming, talk about respect, they must have had a bad experience in the past. A full blown Silver Back Gorilla is more than a match for virtually any animal, make no mistake about that, and is much stronger pound for pound than a Grizzly. Chimps are estimated to be 7 times as strong as a man and Gorillas are much much stronger than chimps. Did you see what that chimp did to that woman who was on oprah? It ripped her face off and bit her hands off. I mean she was completely disfigured by a 150 pound chimp a 200 plus pound man suffered a similar fate at the hands of one chimp. A male silverback mountain Gorilla weighs 500 plus pounds and is much much stronger than a chimp. One circus trainer said he trained his gorilla on how to a fight his lions he said the Gorilla would regularly grab the male lions by the tails and hurl them 100s of yards like they were stuffed animals people really dont have a clue as to how powerful Gorillas are. Without the paws a Grizzly is no match for a Gorilla the only chance a Grizzly has is to get a swipe in and that is no sure thing, and if he does not he will be mangled and destroyed.
Posted @ Friday, August 17, 2012 5:32 PM by J Spiker
Grizzly Bear vs Mountain Gorilla 
 
Sorry About The Double Post Mod 
 
A Gorilla is estimated to have the strength of 30 men one, one Gorilla expert who raises them said they have strength that he has never seen in any other animal he estimates that one Gorilla has the strength of about 7-8 olympic lifters, and that's a modest estimate,one olympic lifter can hoist 4-500 pounds over his head fairly easily.  
 
Another expert said they are able to flip a car with one arm, simply put a Gorillas primary weapons are his bite force, which is stronger than even the big cats, and his prodigious strength not to mention that fact that he really has four hands and his intelligence.  
 
If the Gorilla gets on his back and gets his arms around the Grizzlies neck he would easily snap his neck like a twig, end of fight, this is how I believe it would play out if the Gorilla who has the intelligence to avoid the bears primary weapon, which is his paws and maneuvers behind him or wrestles him until he is positioned behind him, the bear is in a world of trouble.  
 
The Gorilla has advantages in virtually every other dept, he is stronger, smarter, his bite force is much greater, he is more agile, and he has four very powerful hands that could easily restrain and even break the bears limbs, and if the gorilla was to get his hands in the mouth of the bear from the rear or the front the bears jaws would be ripped apart easily.  
 
Another Gorilla handler said that if a Gorilla gets his hands around you, you are not getting away no matter what you are, they are that powerful, they really have unearthly strength.  
 
If the Gorilla can avoid the bears paws which he has the intelligence to do, there is no other way the Grizzly could win he would be overmatched in strength, bite force, agility, grappling, intelligence, he would be at a major disadvantage grappling because he does not have any hands, completely outmatched in every other dept, the Grizzlies only chance would be to get a swipe in which would be difficult to do, this fight would eventually turn into a grappling contest where they would be tussling with each other which is advantageous for the Gorilla,once they engage its all Gorilla in my opinion he would overpower the Grizzly and break his neck, arms, and jaws.  
 
 
 
 
Not to mention if the Gorilla were to bite the Grizzly at the base of his skull he could easily snap his neck and kill it as well, all of which the Gorilla has the intelligence to do. A full grown silver back gorilla is no easy win for any animal the only chance the bear has is to get a swipe in and that is not a guarantee because of the Gorillas thick bone mass and density.  
 
Advantages Of Each Animal  
 
The Gorilla Could:  
1.Break his neck like a twig and kill him  
2.Rip his jaws apart and kill him  
3.Break his limbs and cripple him.  
4.Bite his neck and snap his spine  
5.Get him in a head lock and break his neck and choke him to death.  
 
The Grizzly Could:  
1.Possibly swipe the Gorilla and kill him, but that is not a guarantee.  
 
2. Try to bite the gorilla but he does not posses enough bite force to deter the Gorilla, a Gorilla could easily break a Grizzlies bite by placing his hands in his mouth and separating his jaws at which point he could easily rip the Grizzlies jaws apart like twigs. Gorillas break 3-4 inch Bamboo like it is thread if you don't know Bamboo is one of the strongest building materials. Bamboo has a tensile strength of 28,000 per square inch. Compare that to the tensile strength of steel, 23,000 per square inch, and you can begin to understand that bamboo is a strong wood.  
Bamboo is actually one of the strongest materials around. Bamboo has a higher tensile strength than many alloys of steel, a higher compressive strength than many mixtures of concrete, and a higher strength to weight ratio than graphite.  
 
Many of the bamboo structures in Japan actually survived the atomic bombing during World War II.  
 
Citations:http://www.calibamboo.com/whybamboo.html  
 
 
Bamboo has a tensil strength stronger than steel and gorillas regularly snap 3-4 inch bamboo stalks as easily as a man snaps a twig, you think a Grizzlies spine or his limbs are stronger than 4-5 inch steel pipe? Of course you don't, a Gorilla would snap a Grizzlies neck like a twig if he gets his arms around his neck. A gorilla has freakish unearthly strength by all estimations, and has no known natural enemies in the wild because no animal would dare approach it in a confrontational manner. I remember watching a documentary about Gorillas and a male silver back walked to a pond to drink and sat right down in a shallow portion of the swamp or pond in the midst of about four or five full grown alligators the alligators simply got the hell up and left, the narrator said that the Gorilla had nothing to fear because the alligators wouldn't dare approach him in any way confrontational or otherwise I saw it with my own eyes they got they hell up and left when they saw him coming, talk about respect, they must have had a bad experience in the past. A full blown Silver Back Gorilla is more than a match for virtually any animal, make no mistake about that, and is much stronger pound for pound than a Grizzly. Chimps are estimated to be 7 times as strong as a man and Gorillas are much much stronger than chimps. Did you see what that chimp did to that woman who was on oprah? It ripped her face off and bit her hands off. I mean she was completely disfigured by a 150 pound chimp a 200 plus pound man suffered a similar fate at the hands of one chimp. A male silverback mountain Gorilla weighs 500 plus pounds and is much much stronger than a chimp. One circus trainer said he trained his gorilla on how to a fight his lions he said the Gorilla would regularly grab the male lions by the tails and hurl them 100s of yards like they were stuffed animals people really dont have a clue as to how powerful Gorillas are. Without the paws a Grizzly is no match for a Gorilla the only chance a Grizzly has is to get a swipe in and that is no sure thing, and if he does not he will be mangled and destroyed. 
 
Posted @ Friday, August 17, 2012 5:36 PM by J Spiker
Grizzly Bear vs Mountain Gorilla  
 
And there is no account of a leopard killing a gorilla in the wild that is an old folks tale. But there was an account of a leopard eating a gorilla but it is believed that the gorilla was a female who had already died from an illness. Leopards are no match for a full grown m 
ale Silverback.
Posted @ Friday, August 17, 2012 5:53 PM by J Spiker
@spiker I thought leopards killed baby gorilla's, I think a 20 ft saltwater Crocadile could murderer a silverback, most big cats can use stealth to kill a silverback
Posted @ Monday, August 20, 2012 12:18 AM by Myself
Kodiak gorilla/silverback bear/gorilla bear 
Silverback traits: upper body strength, intelligence, 4 big canines, bite force, big head, long arms, hands, big shoulders, silver back hairs and feet- Bear traits: sharp teeth, killer instincts, aggressive, nose, claws and legs- evened out traits: 7'3", 700lbs, omnivore... Can't think of any more
Posted @ Thursday, August 23, 2012 5:10 PM by Person
All a y'all have way too much time on your hands.
Posted @ Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:28 PM by Laughing@You
In 1942 at the Bronz Zoo, New York. Boma. A male chimpanzee weighing 165 pounds. Registered a pull of 847 pounds. Suzette. A female chimpanzee weighing 135 pounds. Registered a pull of 1,260 pounds while in rage. However, we're discussing about a gorilla which can weigh up to 600 pounds. A gorillas are known to break 2 inch tampered steel bars with their tremendous grip strength. Gorillas are also known to perform one-arm pulls of 600 pounds with ease. Now grizzly bears are unable to perform such a feat of strength, as oppose to a gorilla's strength. A grizzly bear's bite force is 400 pounds, too. Technically speaking, a grizzly bear's bite force is 100 pounds heavier than my grip strength which is measured at 300 pounds per hand.
Posted @ Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:01 PM by Danny Young
When do we see polar bear vs honey badger?
Posted @ Tuesday, August 13, 2013 4:32 PM by Person of interest
while Intelligence is a great thing for survival,In a brutal brawl, well, we are talking both are pretty smart, not like it's mammal vs reptile. 
A gorilla IS smarter, but not human smart, knowing to throw dirt in the eyes,dodge at the last second, ect. 
In the end, the claws win for the bear. a gorilla punchs, little use against so much mass.  
claws, mass don't help none. each blow the gorilla lands, hurts,, each blow the bear lands, does damage that bleeds. 
Gorillas are awesome, i lov'em, but a grizzly has no modern day equal. 
except man, but we cheat >:)
Posted @ Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:43 AM by wade
It is truly sad to read comments where people believe gorillas lift objects exceeding 1000 kilograms of mass. Although I can see gorillas possibly achieving such strength for a partial dead lift or squat 
 
@Wade Gorillas are much smarter than humans.
Posted @ Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:42 PM by Danny Young
Bear. Gorilla lol. throws bannanas at bear!
Posted @ Monday, May 26, 2014 10:20 PM by bob
Thank you, I have recently been searching for information about this topic for ages and yours is the best I have discovered so far..
Posted @ Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:36 PM by Corporate Website Template
None of what you said makes sense even if you had a 1000 pound grizzly vs a 600 pound silverback which is about the average size of the mountain gorilla a bigger stronger species of gorilla I like the silverback in this fight and I will tell you why. A silverback gorilla its been estimated has the strength of about 7-8 olympic lifters and that's a modest estimate some experts say it's stronger,and a bite force that exceeds that of even the big cats around 1300 pounds of pressure per square inch. You made the statement that a gorilla would only be slightly stronger than the bear that would be inaccurate when you consider studies that suggest bears have the strength of about 3-4 men and gorillas have the strength of about 20-30 men, one study suggest that gorillas have the strength to lift 4 sudans over head that's cars and that's about 4- 6 tons I doubt very seriously if the 1000 pound or even 1400 pound bear would be forcing its weight on an animal that can lift four tons overhead, the bears limbs would be snapped and it would be quickly immobilized is the more likely scenario.  
 
Another advantage gorillas have is the fact that the gorilla has hands and they are extremely intelligent second to only men in intelligence, it is very agile and dexterous and those powerful hands regularly break bamboo which has been studiesd and proven, and is true, has a tensile strength stronger than steel, gorillas regularly break 3-5 inch bamboo like twigs it is not at all unlikely that the gorilla breaks the bears limbs easily immobilizes it and then breaks its neck,do you think a bears arms or legs are as strong as a 5 inch steel pipe? of course you don't. I like the gorilla in a tussle for this and many other reasons if the gorilla gets its hands in the bears mouth ripping the jaws apart like thread becomes a very real possibility also. The only danger I see the bear posing is a swipe from its paw but that does not necessarily suggest that the bears swipe would end the fight, gorillas have a much thicker and denser bone structure than humans and are also intelligent enough to avoid the paws and maneuver behind the bear and get on its back at which point im convinced the gorilla would have a field day, there are several options it can use to win the fight, get the bear in a headlock and snap its neck like breaking a bread stick, pry its jaws apart and rip them apart like removing a sectioned pizza slice from a large dominos pizza, bite the nape of the neck and sever the bears spine, put its thumbs in the bears eye sockets and and gouge the eyes out at which point the bear would be totally incapacitated at which point the gorilla could do whatever he wanted to do to the bear. 
 
And lets not forget the hands on the gorillas legs yea a gorilla basically has four hands, and his legs which are much stronger than the gorillas arms, arms of which I might remind you again regularly snap 4-5 inch bamboo like twigs bamboo that has been proven to have a tensile strength stronger than steel. Hands on both the legs and arms, strength that has been estimated to be so powerful that it can hoist 4 sudans that's cars overhead, a superior intelligence and bite force actually puts the gorilla at a distinct advantage. The only advantage the bears has is in weight which is easily and quickly negated by the gorillas unearthly strength, and the bears paw swipe which the gorilla has the intelligence to avoid. I honestly don't see how the grizzly could ever hope to win this contest with the exception of those two factors. I know of a russian trainer of wild animals who said his gorillas would regularly grab the tails of full grown male lions and hurl them 100s of feet like they were nothing but stuffed animals he said gorillas are freakishly powerful. Another story worth noting is an incident that happened between a male silverback gorilla and a full grown male chimp in a zoo, a gorilla accidentally crossed a pond that separated the gorillas from the chimps and ended up on the chimps side, an aggressive territorial male chimp attacked the gorilla it is reported the gorilla handled the chimp so easily that it sent him running back to his cave badly injured, the only injury the gorilla suffered was a little water in his lungs from accidentally crossing the pond and not being able to swim but that couldn't even be considered an injury, chimps are known to be very aggressive at times and have badly injured, maimed and killed several people, they have an estimated strength of about 7-8 men and have been reported to practically rip 200 plus pound men apart with ease, one reported chimp attack on a man resulted in the chimp killing the man and ripping his jaw off his face so badly that the man was unrecognizable that was just one of the injuries that resulted in the mans death, it is reported that the man weighed over 200 pounds and tried desperately to fight the chimp off but his efforts were futile and he was practically torn to pieces and unrecognizable thats how strong chimps are, but the male gorilla straight bitched the full grown male chimp and would have killed him if he hadn't ran, gorillas are at least 5-6 times stronger than chimps. A male silverback gorilla wins this contest hands down barring a swipe from the bears paw, besides that the gorilla beats him in every other dept. Getting in a tussle with a gorilla would be a deadly mistake on the bears part, his best chance would be to stay on the outside and swipe with his paws but we both know that is not going to happen, they would eventually lock and grapple at which point based on all these key factors the gorilla essentially rips and breaks the bear apart. Oh one other thing, we are talking about a mild mannered gorilla in terms of strength, we haven't factored in the strength of a male silverback when he is enraged I think it's safe to say that those strength estimates rise substantially when the beast is enraged, probably in the range of 60- 70 men and the ability to lift 9 cars do you honestly think the bear would stand a chance in hell when facing such unearthly strength, intelligence and ferocity?
Posted @ Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:44 AM by Don
Don, you're not giving straight facts lol. A Gorillas >*ESTIMATED*< strength. There's a lot if controversy over the strength of gorillas, an enraged gorilla does not have the strength of 70 full grown men, that's a ridiculous statement that proves you're just another gorilla King Kong fan boy. I love gorillas but the grizzly walks this fight. The bear towers over the gorilla, the gorilla shits itself and runs away up a tree. Average weight of 600lbs for a mountain gorilla you say? Unlikely as they usually weigh up to 440lbs and only stand 5 and a half feet tall on both feet that's the average. Rare cases where gorillas stand up to 6ft tall and the tallest recorded gorilla was 6ft4". You talk about bamboo, like pandas aren't famous for eating bamboo and they're significantly smaller than their grizzly cousins. I have no idea where you got the "fact" that gorillas could lift 4-6 tonnes above it's head, that's absolute horse shit. Bears are thick skinned, with dense bones. Gorillas actual muscle mass isn't that much greater than humans, in terms of their bite it's only around 100psi difference between the gorilla and bear so that's irrelevant. Bear walks it and gets a monkey for lunch
Posted @ Thursday, July 10, 2014 2:41 AM by Charles
Charles, You are absolutely clueless about gorillas and grizzlies frankly the average weight of the mountain gorilla is around 500-550 pounds the heaviest recorded is about 589 almost 600 pounds read the post you are obviously not reading what I am saying and in a mad dash to discredit what Im saying because you are an obvious grizzly bear groupie completely disregarding 
what Im saying altogether. The mention of gorillas lifting 4 tons should actually be 2 tons that was a typo on my part in a text file that I failed to adjust and properly proof read, but two tons is about the size of two family cars which is still quite impressive something no bear could ever hope to accomplish. Gorillas are much much stronger than any species of bear. The strength 60-70 men I said when enraged is a very legitimate estimate when you consider the fact that gorillas have the strength of about 20-30 men while at ease, the strength of animals including humans has been known to double or even triple when they are scared or angry so that is a very real and logical estimate.  
 
There are links below to validate what I am saying. 
 
Gorillas Strength 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthpicturegalleries/7521275/The-strongest-living-land-creatures-on-Earth-measured-by-their-power-to-weight-ratio.html?image=3 
 
 
Gorilla Pulls Small Tree Down With One Arm. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNdURQEOki0 
 
 
Strength Of Bamboo 
http://discovermagazine.com/1996/jun/thebamboosolutio784 
 
http://www.ijitee.org/attachments/File/v2i5/E0690042413.pdf 
 
 
Average Weight Of Grizzly 4-600 pounds: No real weight advantage for the bear here. 
 
http://westernwildlife.org/grizzly-bear-outreach-project/bear-identification/ 
 
 
Another story worth noting is an incident that happened between a male silverback gorilla and a full grown male chimp in a zoo, a gorilla accidentally crossed a pond that separated the gorillas from the chimps and ended up on the chimps side, an aggressive territorial male chimp attacked the gorilla it is reported the gorilla handled the chimp so easily that it sent him running back to his cave badly injured, the only injury the gorilla suffered was a little water in his lungs from accidentally crossing the pond and not being able to swim but that couldn't even be considered an injury, chimps are known to be very aggressive at times and have badly injured, maimed and killed several people, they have an estimated strength of about 7-8 men and have been reported to practically rip 200 plus pound men apart with ease, one reported chimp attack on a man resulted in the chimp killing the man and ripping his jaw off his face so badly that the man was unrecognizable that was just one of the injuries that resulted in the mans death, it is reported that the man weighed over 200 pounds and tried desperately to fight the chimp off but his efforts were futile and he was practically torn to pieces and unrecognizable thats how strong chimps are, but the male gorilla straight bitched the full grown male chimp and would have killed him if he hadn't ran, gorillas are at least 5-6 times stronger than chimps. A male silverback gorilla wins this contest hands down barring a swipe from the bears paw, besides that the gorilla beats him in every other dept. If the gorilla gets his fingers im the bears eye sockets which is a very real possibilty he would easily rip the eyes out and dismantle and rip the skull apart as easy as I rearrange a jigsaw puzzle. It would be complete and utter suicide for the bear if the gorilla gets his hands on the bear, the bear would be manhandled as easily as I man handle by 5 year old nephew the strength disparity is totally unfair, gorillas are much, much, much stronger than any species of bear.
Posted @ Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:55 AM by Don
And one other thing Charles Pandas don't eat mature bamboo they cant even penetrate or break it they only eat bamboo shoots the little white curly vegetables that you get when you order Kung Pao Chicken at your favorite Chinese restaurant. 
 
Pandas Eat Bamboo Shoots 
http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/endangered_species/giant_panda/panda/what_do_pandas_they_eat/ 
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_shoot
Posted @ Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:41 PM by Don
Donny geeze 
 
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/mountain-gorilla/  
 
A gorilla by no means is as strong as 70 men, 20-30 at ease?! Where are the facts for this please. Are you having a laugh? Lifting 2 family cars above it's head? They don't have lifting power, they have pulling power and grip strength. There's a difference. I like gorillas over bears but you're making them sound like super heroes when they're not lol. You talk as if the gorilla has a chance to get THAT close to a towering 8ft+ bear, with 4" claws swiping at it. The gorilla would use it's superior intelligence to get the fuck out of there before it gets pinned down and mauled. http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/grizzly-bear/ 
 
http://www.nwf.org/wildlife/wildlife-library/mammals/grizzly-bear.aspx 
 
Upwards from 700lbs UP TO 1700lbs. That's a big fucking bear son.  
 
You can't compare a chimp to a human, a chimp would disembowel a 300lb man with ease then eat his face afterwards. A gorilla isn't on the same scale as a chimpanzee for aggression. Where's the story for the chimp vs the gorilla? I've never heard of it myself.  
Posted @ Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:22 PM by Charles
Charles the story about the chimp and the gorilla I read a year or so ago it is a valid story grizzlies don't reach 1700 pounds that is the kodiak brown bear and 1700 for the kodiak is very rare on average the kodiak is about 800-1000 pounds grizzlies weigh an average of 4-600 pounds the north american grizzly that is, gorillas are powerful all around lifting pulling tossing it doesn't matter strength is strength. One of the writers for the national wildlife federation is obviously mistaking the kodiak for the grizzly they are two different species they are often mistaken for the same species. Below is a link showing a gorillas ferocity when it feels it or its offspring are threatened its mild mannered until provoked. And no way a 6-800 pound bear is pinning a gorilla down it would be tossed around like a teddy bear. 
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umokxn3Vc38
Posted @ Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:51 PM by Don
Information on a gorillas lifting strength below they have the tiger rated above the gorilla but that is an obvious error because tigers don't have the ability to lift two cars above their heads even if they had arms and legs, the gorilla should really be rated much higher in these comparisons like number 4 because only the ant, beetle and the elephant are stronger pound for pound. I think some bias is fueling their decisions, anacondas, eagles and and big cats don't have the strength of male silver back gorillas, no way that's ridiculous. Eagles can only carry 4 times its weight but gorillas can lift ten times their weight and tigers can only carry or drag about three times their weight so how can a tiger or an eagle be rated higher than a gorilla? that obviously makes no sense and like I said its obvious there is some bias in their conclusions. But here is the link anyway below. 
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmgnSfrlj88
Posted @ Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:27 PM by Don
And gorillas are about 6 ft on average but much much more muscular than humans how you came up with the assumption that they are not much more muscular than humans is really ridiculous when you consider they are 6 ft on average but weigh 400-450 for the lowland gorilla and 500-550 for the mountain gorilla is massive and unlike bears whos weight is mostly fat gorillas are pure muscle. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QcCnB9n6L4
Posted @ Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:41 PM by Don
Don 
 
It's not an obvious error because tigers can't lift two cars above it's head because GORILLAS CANT LIFT TWO CARS ABOVE ITS HEAD. The mountain gorilla is a subspecicies of the eastern lowland gorilla, REACHING heights of 6ft (average 5ft9-5ft10) and weighing between 400-500 and over that in captivity. Have you seen the size of an Amur tiger? They're bigger than a gorilla son. They'd rip a gorilla in two quite easily. But that's for another debate. Grizzlies are upwards of 700lbs they're huge. You said gorillas can lift 10 times their own weight??? 5000lbs? Lol you're just talking rubbish now, gorillas are strong but not that strong
Posted @ Friday, July 11, 2014 2:01 AM by Charles
I've provided all the proof and there is even more proof available as it relates to how strong gorillas are all the proof is provided so what are you talking about? The more you talk the more ignorant and unreasonable you obviously appear to be, no animal is just ripping a silver back gorilla in two quite easily, that was just a stupid, juvenile statement that simply confirms how ignorant and clueless you are about animals in general. Now the amur tiger has been known to kill brown bears and I can provide proof of that if you like.  
 
Pound for pound a gorilla is much stronger than lions, tigers or bears. Get a 500 pound mountain gorilla and pit him against any animal of equal size whether its a bear, tiger, or lion and the gorilla manhandles all of them.  
 
The gorillas bite is stronger than any of the big cats and the bear and he is at least 3-4 times stronger than any of them,he is much more intelligent and has four hands that he can use to restrain, tear and break limbs and rip jaws apart and totally incapacitate any of them. You cant just bring teeth to a fight with a gorilla when he has a bite force greater than yours and is 3-4 times as strong as you are!  
 
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