Gorilla has 1220 lbs/inch of bite strength. How can a grizzly over come that?

Insightful commentary, Al. I love the time and effort you must have invested just thinking about this. Wonderful, wonderful stuff. 
 
 
 
Also, I am working with Doug to create a solid headline for your Web site. More to come...

Doug, I doubt that the Gorilla would be able to get inside on the Bear to use its bite force. Watch the video. 
 
 
 
Juice, thanks for the high praise. Write your own blog.  
 

The grizzley is bigger stronger and has claws, cmon now. Back in the 13th century, they used to put bears in a ring with other animals, get em both real pissed off by hitting them in teh face with sticks and stuff, then unleashing the beasts on each other. Grizzley vs bull was a joke, so they brought in lions from Africa and again the grizzley dominated. If it wasn't even close between a bull or lion, why would a gorilla be a challenge? Grizzleys are mean bastards, wouldn't even be close. 
 
 
 
The gorilla would be on teh defensive the whole time trying to stay away from the bear, climbing trees and slinging feces. But the bear is cool, he'll wait for that big dumb Ape to come down from the tree, he just woke up from a 4 month slumber and is starving. He's gonna go at that gorilla, forget about it. Grizzly would destroy a gorilla, as well as a tiger, hippo, and north american buffalo. 
 
 
 
opposable thumbs, haha

You can't forget that a Gorilla has extra extra strong bones that can protect against many attacks and bites from the bear.  
 
 
 
I think that the Bear is certainly bigger and meaner, however the Gorilla isS smarter and has an opposable thumb. I like the Gorilla's strength and ability to get away from clawing. It's too hard to take down an 8 foot 800 pound monster though...i don't care how strong you are. If the Bear can catch the Gorilla, the Bear would win in a not so competative match. 
 
 
 
Good game.

About strength... 
Look at the pictures provided. 
Whose shoulders are bigger? 
Who has thicker arms? 
The bear wins in both of those categories, and these are the acclaimed advantages of the gorilla. 
The ape has to be bigger by a good margin before it can hope to win.

Gorilla will win if King Kong will fight that Bear...end

i think it could go either way.Both are intensely strong, proud animals, that would fight as hard as they could.While the bear does hold the size advantage, the gorilla is still quite strong and is more intelligent.Plus,I think you were just trying to amuse people, because that whole line about the gorilla throwing bananas was just retarded.The gorilla would probably be able to dodge the bears charges at first, and would be able to get in some pretty strong hits on the bear.I do not think the gorillas bite strength would come into play seeing as how the bear would just get even more pissed off.The thing that makes me think the gorilla could win is it's intelligence. The gorilla could probably pick up on the bears strategy and plan his own strategy.That coupled with his bone-crushing strength would give him fair play.The bear would probably win if he caught the gorilla off guard.

grizzly would murder a gorilla brown bears are like the 3rd strogest creatures.

I mean the 3rd strongest land creatures

on Earth

There bear wins done.

gorrilas would tare bears to shredss

Wow, a lot of these fights are really one-sided. The gorilla loses 9 out of ten times unless it can choke the bear, but I think the bear is just too strong and big even for a gorilla. Some bears can be timid, and the gorilla may be ferocious enough to scare one away, but I doubt it.

You think a tiger would beat a silver back gorilla?? Do you realize the gorilla has stronger limbs, stronger bite force, higher intelligence, and thumbs?

Grizzly bear would KILL a gorilla. Gorillas are strong, but Grizzlys are far stronger, and esily as fast as the ape.

This is an interesting fight. 
I think grizzly would win, but Gorilla would NOT try to kill bear by throwing bananas!!!

King Kong beat a 400' tall GODZILLA... I think an 8' teddy bear would be somewhat unevenful...

"eventfull"

Unfortunately, a mountain gorilla is not the same as King Kong.

It's untrue that bears anger as easily as gorillas. The stereotypes of someone going berserk like a gorilla, while another is strong as a bear, exist for a reason. The bear is stronger, even if his bite and body morphology are less suited for jumping and dodging as the gorilla. However, brown bears have been filmed backing down from fights when female cougars swiped at their face when their cubs were threatened. Black bears, for their part, have been seen running away from domestic house cats when they descend on human settlements. The bear is very powerful, and resistant to damage, but does not anger as easily as a gorilla, and often does flee from fights if he believes he's going to take serious damage. The gorilla's best shot would be to stand his grown and deliver blows to the bear's face, not to jump in a tree or run away.

True. The bear is stronger, but its too lazy, and too cowardly to actually win. Which is similar to the Florida Panther, once a Florida panther fled letting a pack of hunting dogs, witch it could have killed, kill its kittens.

Bear is not dat much intelligent as a silverback. silverback is smarter and stronger. it will destroy d bear by giving a batista power bomb hi hi hi. actually i believe that gorilla would win. 
 

They're both real powerful animals, the gorilla would most likely stand his ground and try to scare the bear off, but this is a Grizzly we're talking about folks, he would not back down from an ape! 
 
 
 
The fight will go like this: The gorilla stands and pounds on his chest, roaring. The bear already pissed off by something would let out a growl, and of course he would rear up and growl. The gorilla might attack first, beating the bear with his fists and possibly biting him, leaving serious puncture wounds. But in the end, the bear will lay down a few swats and will bite the shit out of him (Grizzly's bite force is 1800 PSI by the way) and he would straight out embarass that fucking gorilla. You don't mess with a Grizzly Bear!

A Gorilla dodging a bear? lol Bears can run up to 35 mph and are fast enough to catch a ground squirrel! This is NOT even a fight but a complete mismatch.Silverback Gorillas are killed by big cats in the gungle all the time.Gorillas are NOT fighters!

Seriously this match-up is very unfair. A large male gorilla would probably stand very little chance against a black bear of smaller stature than itself. Even the largest male gorillas are preyed upon by jaguars.

Hold up Mr. Wildlife Lover, Jaguars and Gorillas don't live together, so what you said is not true. And that little statement you made about "Steve Irwin" was extremely fucked up, so, I don't care about you or your opinions, in fact, I hope he haunts you!!

@ Kenny 
 
 
 
I'm sorry, and you're right. I meant Leopards. 
 
 
 
I have made no statement about Steve Irwin, though - you must have me confused with somebody else. 
 
 
 
Anyway - I'm sorry I spread misinformation, and I can only assure you it wasn't intentional.

mountain gorilas can take on anything.grizzlys have been known to bsck down form lil wolverines.lol

That's alright man, I was just so heated up by some other guy on this website that I lost my nerve, it's nothing personal.

The grizzly would split the 'rilla in two with one blow.

If both animals were roughly of the same size and weight, I think the bear would win. Dian Fossey wrote a lot about how silverback gorillas fight with other male gorillas and how they attack humans. Older publications by reliable European hunters also describe a few cases of gorilla attacks on African hunters who attempted to kill them with spears or arrows. All these decriptions clearly show that gorillas are simply not "programmed" to kill a big and strong opponent with the same speed and efficiency as a bear or big cat would do. Gorillas do not seek a hold on the opponent's throat or jugular as determinedly and purposefully as a predator. If they bite, they usually bite the opponent's hands or legs. This is actually quite devastating if the victim is a human being, but it does not make the same impact on such a massively built beast as a bear. In contrast, a bear instinctively knows how to twist and break even a bull's neck with its paws. In a bear-gorilla fight, the bear would rain well-aimed blows on the gorilla's head and, if possible, go for a throat hold. Its long claws would inflict serious injuries, without any comparable retaliation from the gorilla. I doubt if the bear could kill the gorilla with a single blow or two, but a prolonged fight would be more advantageous for it than for the gorilla, because the bear would be more able to inflict wounds (not only by its teeth but also by its claws), its fur would probably give it more protection, and it would attack its opponent's most vulnerable points in a more purposeful and systematic way. The gorilla would definitely fight back as best as it could, but I doubt if it would be able to inflict a mortal injury on the bear early enough to win the fight before it is overcome by the blood loss caused by the bear's bites and claws. Gorillas are not able to survive serious injuries as easily as bears. 
 
 
 
Two facts should be kept in mind so as not to overrate the gorilla: 
 
 
 
First, in the extensive literature on big-game hunting in Africa, there is not a single (!!) documented case of a gorilla killing a European hunter who was armed with a modern rifle. In contrast, there were many cases of grizzlies and other bears killing hunters. 
 
 
 
Second, hunters invariably wrote that a single well-aimed shot was usually enough to kill, or at least deter, an attacking silverback. In contrast, bears, as many hunters starting with Lewis and Clark discovered, were able, and willing, to continue fighting even after they suffered very serious gunshot wounds.  
 
 
 

Balazs, are you Hungarian-just wondering, but yoiu make your points well and very true-i concur on all points. Bears have 4 in long claws and they always go for the head and face of victims if you watch animal attacks on humans at all in the news or animal planet. Bears can outmuscle any other predator(even though a gorrila is no predator)and is more than twice the size of an adult silverback gorrila. Nothing can stop an enraged grizzly-even hunters who've shot them while being charged by a grizzly have been mauled to death after the shot hit the bear. Bear wins paws down!!

Thanks for your kind comments! I completely agree with that a big bear is one of the toughest game to shoot, particularly if it suddenly attacks the hunter in a dense bush. You may be interested in Gordon Young's "Tracks of an Intruder," in which the author describes how he tracked an old, mean and cunning Himalayan black bear in the Thai jungle and how he managed to shoot it. He shows how smart a bear is, covering its tracks or laying in ambush if it suspects that someone is following it. Bears are also smart in avoiding traps. In contrast, hunters who tracked gorillas did not mention any particular tricks used by the apes, and unfortunately it is quite easy to catch a gorilla by a snare made of wire (as African poachers do). 
 
 
 
On the other hand, Siberian hunters say that the most formidable animal in the taiga is not the bear, not even the tiger, but a big boar. It is extremely aggressive, and even bears think twice before attack a full-grown boar. Thanks to their massively built body, thick hide, and thick layers of fat, boars can survive the injuries caused by the bear's bites and claws even better than another bear, whereas their tusk inflict longer and deeper slashes than the bear's canines and claws. 
 
 
 
PS: Yes, I am Hungarian, just like you:)

Hi Balazs! I'm actually Norwegian, my ma just loved the name, however, my wife is 100% Hungarian, and i have only met one other Attila-he is singer in a Black Metal band called Mayhem-i also met a Balazs working with him on tour! 
 
Thats cool information-I have seen a youtube video of a warthog or wild boar killing a lion-they're certainly no pushovers! Although a bear could killl one, they wouldn't risk it as it wouldn't be worth it unless starving-all predators make this choice-they have to hunt again and don't want to risk injury-you're right. Fighting over mates is the one difference where they will not hold back so much.

Thanks a lot! As for gorillas: let me try to copypaste some info about gorilla attacks in the former Spanish colony of Rio Muni (now called Equatorial Guinea): 
 
 
 
In the course of the last 10 years, I have collected records of all proven cases of attacks 
 
against humans in the precinct of Rio Muni. Where possible, reports were checked against 
 
hospital records. These attacks are detailed below. 
 
Group Nkin: Two cases of attacks on humans are on record from this group that lives in the region of Mount Nkin. Both involved gorillas that were feeding on native plantations. 
 
One was known to be an adult female without offspring. The wounds consisted of bites and large lacerations on the legs and back of the victim caused by the fingernails of the gorilla. 
 
Group Mbia-Campo: This group lives between the Mbia and Campo rivers in the northwest corner of Rio Muni. A gravely wounded male of this group also bit the intruder, a 
 
hunter, in the legs. 
 
Group Mobumuom-Monte Mitra: Two attacks were also recorded for this group whichis distributed over the largest area of all the groups. The first occurred in the forest of Sindon and the second in the forest of Churu, both localities lying at the foot of Mount Mitra. These cases are very similar to those described above. The wounds occurred on the buttocks and ankles. One of the wounded persons, from Sinden, remained disabled in one leg despite expert medical attention. 
 
Forest of Mikomeseng: A hunter named Pedro Beyeme fought a large solitary male that was marauding near the native settlement. The wounded animal attacked the hunter vigorously, and caused severe injuries with his hands, completely ripping the buttocks and the ankles of both legs.  
 
The last case occurred recently in the forest of Mosumu (Group Mobumuom-Monte Mitra). On 26 January 1964, the natives Manuel Nsuie and Jesus Abeso, both of Mabeuolo (Niafang) departed from Mosumu early in the morning, crossed the Benito river in a dugout canoe, and entered the large forest, known by the name of Mobumuom-Monte Mitra, for the purpose of hunting monkeys and small forest antelopes. 
 
Manuel carried only a machete and Jesus an old single-barreled 12-gauge shotgun with a few cartridges of No. 3 shot and only one cartridge with a ball. About 3 PM they were starting to return and Manuel Nsue went on ahead to prepare the canoe. At a sharp turn in the forest, he suddenly encountered at a short distance a family of gorillas composed of four individuals (one adult male, two females and a small juvenile) 
 
seated, silently eating the fruit of the "Afrafmomum" shrub. They were surprised and very 
 
frightened at the sudden appearance of the man. Manuel, amazed by the proximity of the 
 
group (3-4 m) attempted a prudent retreat, facing the animals (it is a very strong belief among the natives that the gorillas will not attack if one always keeps his face toward them), but it availed him nothing. The dominant male, recovering from the fright, gave 
 
a loud shout and charged furiously, knocking Manuel down and biting him in the legs. 
 
The victim fell face down, losing his machete. The enraged animal pressed its attack on Manuel's hands who used them to ward off the animal's blows. Jesus, who was left behind, came to the rescue when he heard the shouts of Manuel and the gorilla, and shot the 
 
animal with the ball cartridge he had saved. The gorilla attempted another charge but fell mortally wounded at the feet of Jesus. Manuel Nsue came out of the encounter with various fingers on both hands amputated and with a deep wound in the leg. 
 
(Source: Gorilla Attacks against Humans in Rio Muni, West Africa. 
 
Author(s): Jorge Sabater Pi. In: Journal of Mammalogy, Vol. 47, No. 1 (Feb., 1966), pp. 123-124.) 
 
 
 
I guess many people who were attacked by bears would have been quite happy if the bear had bitten them only in the legs or the ass...:))

id have to say that both would probuly die from the injuries. i think they would both give up and they both die from injuries later on. 
but who knows what could happen in the wild. anything. a peinguin can kill a tiger for all we know. like i said.....anything can happen in the wild.........

hi:)

Yep, even a small penguin can kill a tiger if the latter tries to swallow it whole and chokes on it... 
 
 
 
More seriously, I am not sure whether the bear would die of the resulting injuries unless its wounds become infected. In contrast, the gorilla's chest is not covered by thick fur, and thus the canines and claws of the bear would probably cause massive blood loss. BTW, the bites of big cats and other carnivores are much more likely to lead to blood poisoning that the bites of bears or gorillas.

Come On!! The more I go down the list, the more worthless the fights are! 
 
 
 
a gorilla against what seems to be a Kodiak Bear? Are you kidding? 
 
 
 
The gorilla, even if he felt brave, wouldn't fuck with no bear that big!! 
 
 
 
I'd bet 600 Million dollars on the bear.

In the hypothetical fight I suggested, the two animals were of roughly the same size and weight; otherwise, it is pointless to make comparisons. A big ostrich can kill a lion cub as easily as a male lion would kill an ostrich chick.:)

You all need to spend less time analyzing animal behavior, and spend more time with tutorials on proper spelling. The spelling from many of you in this thread is atrocious!

I think the gorilla would kill a grizzly bear.Look at how strong a gorilla is.It would pick it up and just crush it.The gorilla can break the bears jaws.Plus a gorilla fights like a human when hitting.It would basically destroy the bear.The gorilla is smarter and would be carefull for the bears claws.the end.

GRIZZLY cf course! Bears are the strongest and move boulders and automobiles with ease. Plus they are more ferocious and willing to do battle than a gorilla. The Grizzly could swipe the gorrilla and break bones besides rake its belly open from the side. A bear would just maul it-hell, leopards kill gorillas!

<<Plus a gorilla fights like a human when hitting.>> 
 
No, they usually bite, rather than hit their opponent. And in biting, the bear is as good as the gorilla.

I saw a few references to adult gorillas killed (or eaten) by leopards, but little or no hard evidence of a serious fight. After all, pieces of gorilla hair or bones in leopard scat may sometimes indicate only that the leopard found a dead gorilla and ate it. I think a leopard would try to catch a young gorilla by a surprise attack, rather than to pick up an open fight with a silverback.

This has to be the dumbest website I have ever seen. You have no clue what you are talking about. 
 
 
 
Incredible!

YOU are all a bunch of morons! Get a life people and grow up. 
 
 
 
I have an idea...why don't you idiots go out and fight?!

Ahhh... it seems that some gorillas feel insulted, and now they are complaining.:))

Yes, it would certainly seem so, Balazs.

A tiger would have purred with delight instead.:)

Grizzly's know how to take care of complaining gorrila's,haha!

Come on people! Does anyone realize how strong bears are? Gorillas can life up sedans, however, that's because of their build. Bears are stronger than gorillas, pound for pound. A giant panda (now considered a "true bear" can kill a gorilla of similar size. Has anyone seen the video of the panda that took off the Chinese man’s jacket at the zoo and it required 5- 7 people to pull it and still, the panda won the tug of war, without even having opposable thumbs. It's been proven that a Kodiak bear's paws are so strong; they can literally knock the head off of a human and crush the skull of a moose. Kodiak bears can average 1000 pounds and get around 9-10 feet tall. A silverback gorilla male is half that size. Bears are considered one of the strongest land mammals, pound for pound, even out topping felines. People really misjudge the power of bears. They think of them as fat sacks of fur, but their body mass is made up of 50-55% muscle. Brown bears have a bite force of 1200 PSI and gorillas have one of 1300PSI, however, a bear's skull is usually larger than a gorilla’s and can deliver more force. Gorillas are strong; however, bears are stronger, pound for pound. They just aren't built for lifting. They’re built for pushing objects like boulders to find grubs and other small animals as a secondary food source. There have been studies done that showed a bear cub managed to move a 70kg with little effort, while an adult man struggled to do so.

Thanks MrAlien. I agree with most of your comments except the one on the chances of a panda to kill a gorilla and the one about a bear's capability of knocking off a human head. I think no land animal, but possibly not even a blue whale, is able to knock off a human head with the mere force of a single blow, since a blow that is strong enough to break and sever all the bones and muscles in one's neck is surely strong enough to knock the victim off his feet. That is, the guy would be sent flying long before his skull said goodbye his spinal column. A blunt object is not sufficient to achieve such a result; one needs a sharp instrument for that.

I'm osrry, I meant to say. "There have been studies done that showed a bear cub managed to move a 70kg **BOULDER** with little effort, while an adult man struggled to do so.

Alright, I guess you're right about the "knocking off the head part". :P However, pandas are built like many other bears. Despite their vegetarian diet, they still have sharp canines and extremely sharp claws. They usually average about the size of a male gorilla (pandas weigh less, though). Pandas require extremely strong jaws to grind bamboo apart. That shows that they can use them as a defense mechanism. They also require upper- body strength, considering that they are partially arboreal animals and have sharp claws to help them climb.

The maximum weight of a male giant panda is about 150 kilogram, which is comparable to a male gorilla. As far as I know, pandas have very strong molar teeth (for grinding bamboo, as you said), but their canines may not be very conspicuous, because they are neither predators nor animals which have frequent and intense territorial fights. What I found about their behavior indicates that they are not as much "professional" fighters as other bears: 
Giant pandas signify aggression by lowering their heads and staring at their opponents. The giant panda is a generally a passive animal and not initiate to attack man or other animals. Giant pandas, however can become violent when provoked or surprised. Generally when hearing abnormal sounds the giant panda will escape the area immediately or they will climb the nearest tree. Should they become trapped the giant panda will cover their face with their paws often hiding its eye-patches and curl up. This gesture states that they are scared and/or angry. At close range, aggression is signaled by a swipe with a paw, or by a low-pitched growl or bark that will generally send an opponent (another giant panda) scampering up the nearest tree. 
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060908154308AATAWin

The battle could turn out many different ways. Although the bear CAN'T ( THAT'S CAN'T IT MEANS CAN NOT) kill bison,hippos, or anything like that, it could still a kill tiger and would be a formidable opponent.  
PS: The description is SOOOO wrong. Bananas! Seriously!  
PSS: Clemenza, what the #$@#$@# is up with your animal mind!

This is partly wrong, because it was scientifically documented that the grizzlies of Yellowstone Park do attack even adult bisons, though only occasionally.

While I defended and argued for the silverback in the tiger fight, I can't do the same in this one. Tigers and grizzlies are two very different opponents for a mountain gorilla. I wouldn't even put my money on a tiger going against a grizzly. So forget it, the gorilla is going to be chopped meat after this fight. I think this is a bit like the GW and the orca. Orca always wins, grizzly always wins. Too much size, too much power, too much force. Everything the gorilla has, the grizzly has him beat in spades.

a gorilla first of all, is much stronger than a bear. The bear is bigger, but the gorilla actually has more muscle mass. The bear would go in and swipe at the gorilla, and the gorilla would take it down like a wrestler, or just start pounding on it with its massive hands. The tiger, would just have no chance. If it lunged at a gorilla, the gorilla would hit it once and kill it immediately, or at least injure enough to end the fight. all of you people putting comments that say a bear is stronger, learn what your talking about before you say anything. watch the discovery channel or animal planet. A gorilla could beat just about anything smaller than a hippo in a fight

You are quite a character, cmbnig. Just because a bear isn’t built to lift things doesn't mean it doesn't have more muscle mass. Their total body massive is made up of 55% muscle. A male grizzly, even without it's winter coat can weigh about 600lbs on average. Also, there was a study done that showed a bear cub managed to move a 70kg boulder, which in term, an average human wouldn’t do shit. You don't know much about bears, cmbng......... It's been even DOCUMENTED that one bullet is enough to deter an enraged silverback, but even with a couple of bullets lodged in it, an enraged grizzly would keep charging at the hunter that's firing at the animal. Grizzlies also have a hum of muscle mass on their backs than gives them stronger shoulders. Also, bears have thicker bones than felines, and it could sustain more impact. Also, there have been a few documented cases of leopards killing silverback gorillas, so, why would you think a gorilla could kill a bear that is larger, stronger, has larger claws, and has a stronger bite than a leopard? You are referring to one video, made n Animal Planet, which had CGI graphics. A gorilla would win 55/100 times with a male leopard, but leopards are much smaller than grizzlies, and if the similar sized Siberian brown bear has been known to kill tigers with ease, why can’t it do the same to a gorilla?

mralien, your giving lots of facts on bears, not much on gorillas. its not like the gorilla would destroy the bear. it would be a very close fight and a bear might win around half of the time. but although a bear has incredible strength, a gorilla can strike with a closed fist with more power. it also has thumbs, i would like to see you try and fight without using your thumbs. a gorilla would also possibly pick up a rock and use it as a weapon. they are incredibly intelligent. both would probably die from the injuries. but the gorilla would more likely be in a slightly better condition. and on the topic of tigers. i think we can agree that either GRIZZLY bear, or silverback gorilla would win a fight against a tiger most of the time. they would both be able to just over power it because theyre both bigger and stronger. the bear vs gorilla fight, is debatable. in my opinion, the bears claws and bite wouldnt be enough to beat a gorillas thumbs and possible improvization of weapons. sure, a bear could take a bullet better than a gorilla, but theyre not fighting with guns.

Not once has a gorilla ever been documented to use weapons in combat. You're getting mixed-up with chimpanzees and gorillas. Chimpanzees have been known to use spears, while gorillas cannot. Also, a bear is faster than gorilla, which is apt to reach speeds of 35 mph. The bones are also stronger and thicker than those of a gorilla. They can easily take a few swipes from the gorilla. Also, if a leopard could kill a gorilla, then why shouldn't a tiger or lion be allowed to? Both cats have the ability to shatter the ribcage of the average man in a single swipe, and a bear would do that even easier. Also, gorillas are docile, and the bear would usually always be the aggressor. And again, just because the gorilla can lift objects, doesn’t mean it's stronger. There have been no documented cases of neither captive, nor wild gorillas using weapons or tools. You are thinking of what is portrayed in the movie King Kong. All three movies of the original King Kong were total BS. There is no possible way a gorilla could kill a T. rex of similar size. This is because, first of all, Tyrannosaurus would have much thicker bones than Kong, even at similar size, their skull was extremely durable, and so it is very unlikely, even a gorilla such as Kong could smash it, and last but not least, they made it like the rex's bites only gave little teeth marks, which really, one bite is enough to cripple Kong, so he cannot even use his arm properly anymore in combat. Also, I know how Kong uses logs as weapons, which doesn't apply to actual gorillas, at all.

Cmbnig, I appreciate your sentiment for the silverback, but the gorilla would be in way over his head against a behemoth like a grizzly or kodiak bear. The sheer arm strenth of the grizzly with its enormous claws would be way too much for the silverback, even with its own tree trunk arms. You're also forgetting that the grizzly can lift its tremendous body on its hind legs and literally overpower the gorilla. Look, I love gorillas too, and I give them a much better shot against a tiger. But, the only land animals in the world that can take down a giant grizzly would either be an african savannah elephant or another bear of equal size.

look. we're all entitled to our own opinions. i dont know why the hell you brought up king kong, that was just stupid. a bear being able to run fast is also irrelevant. and for the weapons. i didnt say spears. picking up a rock, is pretty simple, and i would bet my life that plenty of gorillas have done that before. so dont tell me what im getting confused with. and as for you jeremy, youre a good guy, you put in your opinion respectfully, i would like to shake your hand. but im pretty sure any kind of elephant, or a hippo or rhino would probably beat a bear in a fight too. haha. gorilla again, is debatable. but those three giants, the hippo rhino and elephant. i dont think a bear would even be able to hurt them

Chimpanzees, elephants and crows are the only living animals, besides humans, to use tools as weapons, for hunting or defense. No gorilla has ever been known to use weapons of any kind. They have been known to use branches to measure water depth, but have NEVER used any other weapons besides their own natural armory.

hey dumbass. have you witnessed the life of every gorilla ever in existence? no you havent. if a crow is smart enough to do it, im sure plenty of gorillas have done it in the past. just because they havent been documented doesnt mean it hasnt happened. now this is the last time im gonna leave a comment here. you believe a bears strenght, size, and claws will be able to best a gorillas strenght, thumbs and intelligence. i understand why, and i respect your opinion. i think just the opposite. my opinion is that a gorillas strength and especially its thumbs and ability to grab the bears arms, and the possibility of improvisation, would overcome the bears immense size. but neither of us are experts, and neither of us have witnessed a bear and a gorilla fighting. so all we have are opinions. and by the way, im pretty confident that elephants dont normally use tools as weapons, since they can kill just about anything without any trouble whatsoever.... i would love to watch a bear and a gorilla fight, and i wouldnt be surprised at which ever one wins, but if one did win, thats a single test that doesnt prove much. But since this fight will probably never happen, we will probably never know, we can only state our opinions. Elephant rules all land animals 
 
Blue whale rules the ocean, although it doesnt kill very many things, so maybe the sperm whale... 
 
Human rules the entire planet. 
 
Some other alien race most likely rules the universe 
 
Fuck gorillas, fuck tigers, and fuck bears, and fuck you MrAlien. You sound like a total douchebag with no friends. Jeremy on the other hand, that guy stated his opinion, and was respectful, without trying to show off his knowledge with these bullshit numbers that he pulled out of his ass. and by the way, you have no idea whether or not a t-rex sized gorilla would win in the fight or not. yeah the dinosaurs skull is incredibly hard, sure it probably wouldnt have been like it was in that movie. but maybe the t-rex wasnt that great of a fighter, it was in fact a scavenger, and it only needed to be able to kill smaller animals. something its size could have very well killed it in a fight, maybe a gorilla. So dont pretend like you know exactly how these things work. You really have to look at it with more of an ignorant mind, because you are ignorant, and so am i. we've never seen bears fight gorillas. or tigers fight gorillas. or t-rexs fight giant gorillas. and that is really the only way to find out who would win in a fight, by actually watching the fight. So until you watch a bear maul a gorilla, and overpower it with its incredible strength, and cut it open with its huge claws, dont pretend like you know who would win. just say who you THINK would win, and why. and hey, if you do see a bear kick a gorillas ass and walk away unharmed, find a way to contact me, and i'll admit that i was wrong. but until then. Shut the fuck up

Actually, cmbnig, blue whales nor sperm whales rule the ocean. Killer whales, also known as orcas, do. They have been documented to kill blue whales and sperm whales in pods (as food sources). And crows are very intelligent individuals. You can't just say that just because they're birds, they don't carry a better knowledge of tools than gorillas do. Gorillas may be smarter than crows, but they may not have the ability to understand tools. Chimps are more intelligent than gorillas, yet gorillas could understand sign language, which chimpanzees have a couple of disabilities understanding. The domestic dog is the ONLY animal, besides us, to understand the jesters of your arm (pointing to something or somewhere), and yet, they aren’t as smart as chimpanzees I read a recent article that showed how dogs did much better than chimpanzees in a “pointing” test. Domestic dogs seem to understand the ways of the human language, as they have evolved with us, for over the past 17,000 years.  
 
And nice language you’re throwing out at me; it makes me chuckle…... You seem like an ill tempered little child. I have never shredded one speck of profanity at you. You seem to have quite a bit of childhood Tourettes, if you get angered that easily and start spewing out profanity........ 
 
 
 
And also, about Tyrannosaurus, despite it not being a very fast runner, it still had the killing capacity to deal with the slower (and stronger) moving herbivores of its era. An animal with such thick bones, a powerful skull, and a bite force ranging from 15,000-30,000 PSI……. That would easily shatter the shoulder of Kong, as you could clearly see how many times he gets bitten……… Also, there have been quite a few documented cases of the MUCH smaller leopard, killing a male silverback. Strength is not the only thing big cats posses, but also agility, however, I still think one hit from a silverback gorilla can kill the leopard, or cripple it very seriously, to force it to drop out of the fight. And BTW, gorillas are fairly docile animals, and a male silverback would rather move his whole troop, than fight an aggressive animal. They only fight when they have to. And you said speed doesn’t count in this battle? Let’s picture this…… A 600 lb grizzly bear is barreling towards a silverback gorilla, while the ape is going at his maximum speed. Who would be knocked back further? Also, gorillas have never been recorded to bite the neck of the animal they attack. They only bite the limbs, face and genitalia of their opposing adversaries. The same goes for the two chimpanzee species and the orangutan. However, chimpanzees are the most aggressive great ape around, and will charge at someone who challenges them to a battle, unlike the gorilla, who would rather retreat than fight.  
 

come on this is unfair 
 
500lbs vs 800 lbs?wtf? 
and gorilla's intelligence can only be of value if u give him a sword or something. 
 
gorila vs black bear would be more interesting

Remember though, vag, gorillas don't have the concept in their mind to be able to use weapons. Even against a male gorilla, I still think the bear would win 6/10xs. The bear still has more muscle mass (about 50-55% of their total body weight), and they have even been recorded to kill the 14-16ft long male alligators that lurk in the Everglades. Although, it’s still possible for the silverback to prevail; however, the black bear would still win most of the time. Remember, bears run faster than gorillas. A bear of similar weight barreling towards a slower gorilla will stun the ape more than the ape will stun the bear.

Grizzly would Destroy the gorilla, not only are they stronger, but are killers-their name says it all-"Ursus Horribilis". Its a tank of the animal world, and its right here on our own continent!

I give the advantage and edge to the gorilla.Grizzly bears can be extremely dangerous.However only the Alaskan male Grizzlies grow to be about 1,ooo lbs.,or more.Females and American grizzlies grow to be about the same size as a gorilla.Gorillas have the strength and power of 20 men and can lift 2 tons.Once it gets a grip on any body part of the Grizzly, it has the super-strength to dismember and rip off the Grizzlies eyes,face,arms or legs.Also,unlike chimps, the Gorilla confidently walks on the ground of the jungle because other animals know better than to attack it, they have no known enemies,occaisonally a leopard will kill a small sick weak young gorilla but they would never attack a healthy adult gorilla,it would be suicide. A Grizzly bear does have enemies,the gray wolf will get in a pack,and stand their ground,they are not afraid of the Grizzly and a lone cougar is not afraid of the Grizzly, it too will stand its ground,even a small wolverine will agressively harass a Grizzly.

The Grizzly is way stronger than a gorilla and could tear its arm off-Grizzly's efortlessly move huge boulders-cougars DO avoid and are fearfull of Grizzlys and give them a wide berth-Wolveriines are ballsey and would stand up to an elephant-that takes nothing away from the Grizzly. Also, Grizzlys have been documented in strolling in and taking kills from wolves who respect the great bear.

Look at what that chimp that went berserk did to that poor woman awhile back,the chimp ripped off her face, fingers anything it could get it`s hands on and it began to eat her alive.A gorilla is much stronger than a chimp, they don`t punch they will rip and tear a animal or human apart limb by limb. Plus, most of the power of a gorilla is in its massive arms and upper body. A Grizzlie`s power is in its lower body, once that gorilla gets a good hold on any limb of the Grizzlie it will rip it off.

A Grizzly's strength is in its shoulders, arms and chest-their shoulder hump is all muscle and its what they use to effortlessly flip boulders that would stymey even a gorilla. Yes, a Grizzly has extremely powerfull lower limbs, but it uses its stronger-than-gorilla strength for moving logs, boulders, and digging, and they are known to wrestle when fighting-their superior power in addition to their fierceness and exroadinary weight advantage gives it a clear and desicive win over the weaker, smaller and placid gorilla which avoids conflicts and is even taken apart by leopards.

A Grizzly bear is not stronger than a gorilla.In 2006 , a Montana State University professor,tested the Grizzly bear`s strength for a National Geographic documentary.After two days of testing and assembling data into a computer model,the conclusion was that a Grizzly bear is equal to 5 humans in strength.But a gorilla has astonishing power it is equal to 20 humans in strength,which is why they do not allow a Gorilla to wrestle humans the way they do with Grizzlies,a Grizzly can lift a 700 lb.dumpster with ease,but a Gorilla can lift 2 tons with ease.Anyone can e-mail the professor and he will verify these results.

What!?? Do you honestly believe a Grizzly is only as strong as yourself and 4 other people?! Alsready there is proof to debunk that farse-a bear cub(Grizzly) flipped a huge rock over that 7 men couldn't budge-that was only a cub! Grizzly is FAR more powerful than a gorilla and is the very symbol accross the world of strength-bears wrestle people because they can be "trained" to take it easy on people, but even then, people have gotten hurt, like Doug who owned Bart the Bear, a 1,600 lb Grizzly who was a star in "The Edge", "The Bear" and other movies. Grizzlys can and have lifted with ease far more weight than that-they have carried moose carcasses up mountains, do you know how heavy a moose is? Their upper body is tremendously powerful and they are far stronger than the smaller, weaker gorilla.  
 
Here is REAL information on gorilla strength-they are about 2x stronger than a powerlifter.  
 
Creation versus Evolution (http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi? Gorilla's are not 20x stronger than Humans, and are not constantly training within their wild habitats.  
 
There are many aspects involved with lifting strength, and a main part of training involves the muscular memory of you muscles coordinating with one another for the best result.  
 
And comparing arm strength between a human and a gorilla is an apples to oranges scenario. Human's primary strength is lower body and hips, whereas the gorilla is primarily upper-body.  
 
Gorillas are also very ill-equipped for overhead lifting capabilities, the world's strongest man could undoubtedly defeat a Gorilla in a contest of overhead lifting, but that does not make the Gorilla weaker than the human, it's all about how the two species were made, and adapted for.  
 
Humans walk on two legs, meaning our thighs and calves take the force single-handedly, whereas Gorillas walk on both hands and legs, placing part of their pressure on their knuckles.  
 
In terms of combat, a Gorilla would tear apart a human no matter what the scenario was. The bone density of a Gorilla is immense, they can take numerous blows to their thick skulls that would be normally fatal to a humanaction=msg&f=14&t=1376&m=1 and http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1376&m=196) is a discussion forum. LudoRaphaim says that there may have been no study to determine a gorilla’s strength. One book says it is 4-8 times stronger than a man, while the "Animal face off" show says it is 20 times stronger and LudoRaphaim says it is 20 times stronger in its upper body. Nigel Marvin says it is 5 times stronger. "The Most Extreme" on Animal Planet suggested that a gorilla may be eight times as strong as an Olympic weight lifter. A gorilla may deadlift twice as much as the world's strongest human, but that is also unproven as far as tests that have been done-it may well be the case that the strongest human is stronger than a Silverback, but this is 1 from billions, on average there is simply no contest.  
 
Thomas M. Greiner (http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-07/995155256.Zo.r.html) considers the problems of defining gorilla strength. He says that most human strength activities, such as weight lifting, involve a degree of skill as well as strength. It is possible that a human could bench press more weight than a gorilla, but that a could tear the arms off the human. Gorillas and humans have variable strengths. The gorilla has very strong arms, compared to a person, although some people do have bigger arms than a gorilla.  
 
One reader (Abortion) at http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-19908.html says that the gorilla is 20 times stronger than an average adult human. African Wildlife Foundation (http://www.awf.org/content/wildlife/detail/mountaingorilla) says that a mountain gorilla is about 10 times stronger - than the biggest American football players.  
 
Looking at this conflicting information, it seems that a silverback gorilla is 5-20 times as strong as a human and that 7-8 times seems to be a fair estimate. A general principle in biology is that the basic unit of muscle activity (the sarcomere) is pretty much the same in all animals. That means that the muscle of any animal is just as powerful as the muscle of any other animal. What differs between animals is how the sarcomeres are arranged, and how many of them are dedicated to a particular action. This is a  
 
difference of biomechanics. By way of comparison, you could put a 500 horsepower engine in a race car and in a tractor. The engine in both vehicles is equally powerful. However, the tractor uses that power to pull heavy objects but not to go fast, while the race car uses that power to go fast but it cannot pull much weight. So, the two vehicles are just as powerful, even though there is no way to compare their performance. Your  
 
human and gorilla comparison would produce a similar result. The two creatures may be equally powerful, but they are completely unequal in their abilities.  
 

The silverback gorilla would have little chance against a grizzly. I would like to see a bull gorilla fight an American black bear.

You're right Toby, the gorilla is overmatched when pitted against a stronger, deadlier foe as a Grizzly, Ursus Horriblis. It would be more challenging if it were a black bear vs silverback eastern lowland gorilla. If they wouldn't aviod each other, it'd be a better fight. Most people severly underestimate a black bear, but think of this; how big are they compared with dogs? Dogs kill 200 people a year here in America-a black bear has the same tools as a dog, only bigger.

Can this fight be posted? 
 
American black bear vs Eastern lowland gorilla.

this is horrible. you monsters. let animals be free and stop trying to control them. they need to be free and they stay away from us, so just leave them alone. stop forcing them to fight eachother, because in reality most animals don't want to fight, they just want to live life to its fullest and survive peacefully. leave the animals alone.

You seem to be a very ignorant individual, Eva. We are only predicting what would happen if such an incident occurred. I don't like animal fighting, but if you knew anything about this site, all it is some online debate site, on predicting which animal will come on top of the other animal.

The grizzly could easily defeat the gorilla, just as it would easily defeat a tiger or a lion. Brown bears and polar bears are earth's top land predators.

The bite force of a gorilla is equal to that of a grizzly bear. That means that a gorilla has a stronger bite than a lion, a tiger, or a wolf. Among land mammals, only the hyeana has a more powerful bite. But, no one really knows just how strong a silverback gorilla is. There is a lot of speculation. But, the strength of a gorilla has never been measured. Therefore, there is only speculation.  
 
The perfect fight for the gorilla would be an American black bear and/or a jaguar.

American black bear. 7 feet tall / 600 pounds. Eastern lowland gorilla. 6 feet tall / 450 pounds.  
 
Size advantage goes to the bear.

Also strength advantage would go to the bear, although the misnomer opposite of this (gorilla being stronger)seems prevalent on here is evident, but false nonetheless.

When was the last time that a new fight was posted? It would be great if some of these fights were put to rest, then perhaps brought back at a later date.  
 
Some of these matches are really good, such as African lion vs Bengal tiger and lion vs black bear. Others are just too one-sided such as Siberian tiger vs gorilla or Siberian tiger vs grizzly.  
 
But, there are those who will argue never-the-less. I would like to see some brand new matches, while the old fights are given a rest.

As for this match, it is just too one-sided. My favorite animal would lose. A gorilla is no match for a grizzly bear.

How about Tasmanian Devil VS Badger or Wolverine vs badger, or Racoon vs ..... Racoons are tough little customers and quite able to handle themselves.

Taz vs badger would be a great face-off!

That it would,Toby-who would you put up against a Racoon for a good face-off?  
 
As far as the Taz vs Badger, thats a close fight to call-both are viscious customers. I recently watched a doc on different species comming into conflict with each other and it was a 6ft. monitor lizard who tried making a meal out of a honey badger-the honey badger grabbed the flesh-eating monitor lizard and with its powerfull jaws, bit into its head whilst its claws(one of them) dug into the lizards eyeballs and blood was gushing out. It was a brutal attack and only the badger came out of it-unscathed and instead it made a meal of the monitor lizard.

Who the fuck writes this shit? This sounds like something a 5th grader would write.

Maybe he is a 5th grader. Ever think of that? You sound like someone with a lot less knowledge and certainly less good sense than a 5th grader.  
 
You are good with the trailer trash language. People use that kind of talk to try and hide their ignorance. It doesn't work. We can see your ignorance.

We all know the bear would win but so far as it killing a bull I seen pictures of a 1,000 pound bull thrusting a bear thru don't seem like the bear made it.

Grizzly bear used to hunt and kill American bison regularly. It has been witnessed, a grizzly breaking the neck of a bull bison, which is bigger and stronger than a domesticated bull. 
 
As for grizzly vs gorilla, normally the grizzly which is way bigger. But, if we had a 500 pound grizzly vs 500 pound gorilla, I believe that this fight could go either way.

I agree with you on the Bison-Grizzly's have been witnessed rather recently even killing these Bison in Yellowstone National PArk where both are. 
 
As far as a battle between the two, I believe the bear would maul the gorilla-its stronger and more aggressive, just look at dogs-they are even smaller than us, and even though we are stronger than most dogs, they kill over 200 people a year in the US. I further think my opinion correct in that gorillas don't fight too often and bears do-Grizzly's are killers and they mean business-they're all stuff and no bluff-just my opinion, but I believe this to be true based on my studies of all animals over the years, and it is an unbiased opinion. Gorillas are gentle guys but strong, while bears are rugged tough guys who are stronger and more deadly.

You are right. Grizzly bears are fighters. A bear's style is nothing like that of a dog ( domesticated wolf ). A bear is more like a giant racoon. Grizzly bears are certainly agressive fighters.  
 
Not much is really known of a gorilla's fighting ability. The only fights ever witnessed by reputable people are gorilla vs gorilla. Also, the strength of a gorilla is guess-work. I do wish that someone would figure out a way to measure animal strength.  
 
But my guess is, pound for pound, a gorilla has "bear strength". Probably closer to the black bear than to a grizzly. 
 
I also know that, when I bet my hard-earned money on the gorilla, it is merely because he is my favorite animal.

This is interesting what the experts say about gorilla strength. 
 
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060812113302AAbejNL 
 
and also at:  
 
http://en.allexperts.com/9/wild-Animals-705/Gorilla-strength.htm 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

The strength of grizzly bears were tested. See the results at: 
 
http://www.montana.edu/cpa/news/nwview.php?article=3827

I think in all the end the bear would win reason being bears are super tolerble to pain they littlerly have no sence of it and could take anything the gorilla would throw at it so even if the gorilla got a few really good shots the bear would easly shake it off

I agree Josh. As stong as a gorilla is, the grizzly is even stronger. Grizzy bears ( brown bears in general ) are the top land predators on this planet.

I will give my opinions on myspace. There are some really nice people here. But, also a big bunch of total idiots. Where do these uneducated know-it-alls come from?

Toby Ross / Og-Lee at myspace. 
 
"Long live the grizzly... King of Beasts". / "Long live the gorilla... King of the Jungle".

IF every wild animal of planet earth were suddenly transported to a world where there is only one vast comtinent ( like Pangea ) and of course one vast ocean, then we would see who is the King of Beasts.  
 
Ursus Arctos would rule as the dominant predator from the sub-arctic down to the sub-tropics. In the tropics, the only predator that the gorilla would fear is the tiger. The tiger would probably defeat the gorilla in 6 out of 10 attacks.

I will add to this that tigers are bigger than gorillas. Pound for pound, the gorilla is the stronger of the two. Pound for pound the grizzly bear is the strongest, then the gorilla, and the tiger comes up last.

Recently, I sent an e-mail to a zoo. I asked was there a safe way, which might be actually fun for the gorilla, to measure the great ape's stregth. Of course, they're reaction was not pleasant. 
 
People, especially men, have wondered about who is the apex beast even back in the stone age. I do not and never will agree with pit fights. These people should be tossed naked into a pit of angry rats and left there to die. 
 
What we do here is totally harmless. I love nature. I love animals. I do not kill snakes EVER. When I find a spider in my house, a capture it and release it outside.  
 
But, when these fights happen naturally, I am interested in who is the "top dog". I wish that the gorilla's strength could be measured. IF anyone here knows who to talk to about this, I'm sure that there is a way to measure a gorilla's strength that is not only harmless to the3 ape, but can be fun for him.

The gorilla is my favorite animal. But, a silverback gorilla would be quickly killed by the apex land predator of planet earth, Ursus arctos.

Win bear Grizzly

Gorilla Stupid! 
 
Bear Grizzly Win! 
 
 
 
 
 
Bear killed Gorilla louse

kids are dumb!!! id have to say it would be a close fight. but fosure the gorilla would win. first of all the grizzly is not even close of how strong the gorilla is. i know most of u guys are the that if the grizzly is bigger then its stonger!! but thats not the case the grizzly weighs about 1,200 lbs but only half of that is muscle!! its a fact look it up. the rest is fat wich is a disadvantage for being slower than the gorilla. and gorrilas are all 450 lbs to 500 lbs of muscle so if you take half of the bear than they match about the same. and gorrila could lift two family cars abouve there head about 5000 lbs witch a bear cant do. here are the facts wen it comes down to it gorrila are faster gorillas are way stronger gorillas have one of the strongest biteforce with 2-3 in k9s. gorllias are way smater being one of the smartest animals in th animal kingdom. plus the gorilla has oppsible thumbs witch he could grip real hard!! this what would happen the bear would stand tall and bigger but the faster gorilla would get his leg drag him then pound him to a bloody pulp it plain and simple all the bear has is its claws!!

btw some of you guys says that gorillas get killed by leapords. this is true it kills baby gorillas not freakin full grown silverbacks haha omg kids are so retarted these days its like a hyena could kill a lion but a baby lion not a full grown male theres a diffence between babies and full grown males dumdfucks!!

first of all, living in north western canada, i know a fair bit about grizzlies and i have met many hunters who have told me their experiences with grizzlies. they all told me the same thing, and that is that u never shoot a grizzly without at least 100m of space between you and the grizzly, and that you never use anything smaller then steel core armour piercing supersonic bullets. this is because the grizzly has incredibly thick bones, especially the skull which is thick enough to deflect a full clip of a 50.cal desert eagle, so a gorilla punching a grizzly in the face is probably one of the worst(and last)mistakes that said gorilla could ever make. the grizzly is also surprisingly incredibly fast and without at least a 100m it can charge you in 5 seconds flat and kill u before you know it(grizzlies can charge at about 45km/hr). these hunters have also told me their own experiences of watching grizzlies casually push aside 1000lbs boulders and tearing trees down to the ground as if they were toothpicks. so i do not think that in this universe or any that a gorilla could ever hope to defeat a grizzly in combat, grizzlies are just way too powerfull. Also to adress the issue of tiger vs. gorilla, tigers are also predators which are bigger and stronger then gorillas, and while their strength is based mostly for speed it should be noted that 500lb tigers routinely kill 1000lb Guars(its like a really big deer) and then proceed to drag them some 2-3 kilometres and then up a tree for safe keeping. Bengal tigers have even been observed attacking elephants in india, and while the indian elephant is smaller then the african one, it still weighs about 3 tons, and u can be sure that indian elephants get pretty damn nervous when they sense that a tiger is near.

I agree with you djetanis, I have both the .454 Casull and Magnum Researche's Desert Eagle .50 AE and I don't feel that is enough to stop a Grizzly's onslaught-those bears are the tanks of the predators on the planet! The only thing I have that I feel protected enough with is the Barrett 50 BMG-but I'm against using it against bears-it was created to use agaist mankind(I'm a Marine and trained against people, not game hunting)Anyway, you are correct in your assertion that it'd be suicide for the gorilla to "punch" the Grizzly. If you read stories written by Ben East and other authors, yoiu'd come across many stories that are similar-they all start with the person unloading on the Grizzly at point-blank range and still getting mauled or it drops just at their feet after receiving multiple big-bore rifle shots and still charging on-the gorilla is no match for such a force as this!!

yea i have heard of stories like that it could deflec or bruch oof a 50 cal bullet if its a mom grizzly then shes proteting her cub but i know they dont brush off a 50 call bull to the head not 10 out of 10 times there might be cases it does have a thick skull but come on now 50 cal could kill a bear most of the time grizzlys do run faster but there not that fast in combat or there real flexible yea i thought a grizzzly would win too but once i star learnin about the gorrila its one of the strongest animals far stronger than a lion or tiger but you guys think that it would be hard for a goriila to take it down no it could if a gorrila could lift 5000 lbs above its head then it could lift a 1,200 bear. yes the bear has a thick skull but the gorrila it jus to strong the gorilla will be able to crack the skull or even break the bears spine!! like i said this is what would prob happen the bear stands tall and bigger but the goriila looks and sees that the legs are unproteted the he drsgs him to the ground starts pounding not puching they pound not puch they hit like hammer fist like on ufc if you guys watch that but it could very crack th bear skull jus cuz the bears bigger does not mean nothing the gorrila is to strong and more flexible and a thumbs witch it could grip on the bear and if the bear tries to swipe then the gorrila could move but wen you add up all the facts you see the gorilla wins and all you bears lovers want to denay it i like both but the gorilla is more stronger 1000 lbs bloder is nothing compared to 5000 lbs two family cars !! gorrila has a stronger or jus as stong bite force and the gorilla is smarter out of the two. the bear has a advantage being bigger but that does not work wen someone is faster asnd stronger and more flexible and has a powerful biteforce with a tight tight grip so u guys add all the fact up n see who will win

i mean its a proven fact that goilla are stronger look up animal planet most extrem strength bears 10 being the lowest stregth 1 being the strongest and bears came in 10th! gorillas came in 4th so gorillas are stronger and mr allen said bears condsiderd to be the strongest land animal hahaha kids a dumass fucking elephants are the strongest!!!

first of all east95, where did u get this information that a gorilla can lift 5000lbs over its head. the strength of gorillas has never been tested and at 5000lbs the spine of a gorilla would snap like a twig. If you ask me, allowing for the strength of the spine and tendons attaching to the shoulder, id say that the max a gorilla could lift an unmoving weight above its head is more in the range of 2000- 
2500lbs(this is already extremely strong anyways), which brings me to my second point. As any weightlifter knows, it is far easier to lift a stationary load then one that is moving, so for a gorilla to lift a 1200 lb struggling grizzly bear is damn near impossible, if u don't believe me, try lifting a barbell over your head, next try lifting a person of the same weight as the barbell who is moving and struggling, not so easy. And finally, alot of the stuff on animal planet is complete bullshit, and saying that the gorilla is stronger then a grizzly bear is meaningless, because once again, the strength of gorillas has never been tested, and when it is, i think people will find it is far less then all the silly estimates you find on the internet,like when some people say that gorillas are twenty times stronger then a human. At twenty times stronger then a human, an animal of that size would be so muscle bound that it could no longer move and its skeleton would not be able to withstand the force of the muscles on the bone without snapping(trust me, i know my physics and biochemistry pretty well. P.S. the skull of a grizzly is about an inch thick of solid bone, which could deflect any hit from a gorilla no matter how strong, and grizzlies may not be able to lift stuff above them because their anatomy isnt suited for lifting, they can drag a 2200 pound moose carcass for miles which you can be sure as shit a gorilla will never be able to do.

But hey east 95, if you feel comfortable enough to think that a 50. cal deagle will stop a grizzly then be my guest(and ignore many long years of experience from various hunters i've known)and go hunt one yourself, just dont be surprised when the bear gets your face in its mouth.

yo all im sayin is that a grizzly cant deflek a 50 cal or a deagle 10/10 i mean come on it might have a thick skull but its a fuckin 50 cal i bet there have been cases where the bear deflecked it but it cant do it 10/10 come on now

listen how would even know if animal planet is bull shit!! and you dont know that a gorllas bones and spine are way stronger!! and were not talking about humans lifting were talking about a gorrila!! and even if the gorilla lifted 2500 lbs witch could lift more than that!! then it could lift the bear above its head witch the grizzly weighs 1200!! and if a grizzly cant lift that much heavy stuff above its head then its obviously not stronger than the gorilla and draging is way easier then lifting!! and yes those people who say 20x stronger then human are prob wrong!! i never said that tho!! and if the gorrila could lift something above its head then i think it could drag it witch is easier then lifting and the bears skull could break it bone not meatle you obviously dont know the streatgh of a gorilla!! and fron the facts you told me about a grizzly a gorilla is stronger!! the gorilla has more tools then the grizzly does so its logical for me to go with the gorilla!!

you dont know the strength of a gorilla either, you are just speculating, and if you still think that a 400 pound animal can lift something twice its size and three times its weight while it is thrashing around, then im sorry but you are just plain stupid, not to mention the fact that the bear isnt going to just let the gorilla pick it up, it has very sharp deadly claws and can swipe with its paws with enough force to knock a young tree over. alot of people here seem to be seriously overestimating a gorillas strength, yes, it is a very strong animal, but not strong enough to take something on as large and powerful as a grizzly, its like trying to say that a featherweight boxer could take on mike tyson, why do you think weight classes exist, size matters a whole lot in the animal world, period. Also, it seems to me you dont have much gun experience, cuase if you did, you would know that a 50. cal deagle shoots lead bullets, which are soft and would not be able to penetrate the skull of a bear, which is why hunters use steel core armour piercing bullets. and contrary to what most people are saying here, bears arent that dumb compared to a gorilla and their pain tolerance is much higher, which is why they can keep fighting even after suffering life threatening injuries, so basically, what im saying here is a grizzly is a crackhead on steroids, just 1000lbs bigger(if you have any experience with crackheads you know that they dont feel pain very well)

also, i should point out that a gorilla walks on all, so its spine is not built to take the strain of lifting stuff vertically above it, which really means that a gorilla could probably not even lift 2000 lbs over its head. however, if its body and spine was supported by some sort of harness, that would greatly increase its overhead lifting strength, but since gorillas dont have these harnesses then it makes youre argument look stupid. you also say that lifting is harder then dragging, thats just fucking stupid, for a grizzly to drag a 2000lb corpse for over a mile(there have even been observations of grizzlies dragging their prey up a mountain)takes an unfathomable amount of strength, and maybe a gorilla can lift something heavy above itself for a short amount of time it is just impossible for them to pull off the feats of strength that grizzlies do ALL THE TIME. your argument is null and void, just give give, a gorilla would get its ass smashed and beaten to nothing more then a bloody pulp. they may have been kings in their country, but in north america they are fishbait.

meant to say "gorillas walk on all fours" at the begining of my last post

PM by east95-there is NO proof that a gorilla is any stronger than 7 times that of a person-an AVERAGE person at that, there are Scandinavians such as Magnus Ver Magnusson, Svend Karlson, Jon Pall Sigmarsson and Magnus Samuelsson who could most likely destroy a gorilla in strength feats. 
 
A bear cub(Grizzly) flipped a huge rock over that 7 men couldn't budge-that was only a cub! Grizzly is FAR more powerful than a gorilla and is the very symbol accross the world of strength-bears wrestle people because they can be "trained" to take it easy on people, but even then, people have gotten hurt, like Doug who owned Bart the Bear, a 1,600 lb Grizzly who was a star in "The Edge", "The Bear" and other movies. Grizzlys can and have lifted with ease far more weight than that-they have carried moose carcasses up mountains, do you know how heavy a moose is? Their upper body is tremendously powerful and they are far stronger than the smaller, weaker gorilla.  
 
 
 
Here is REAL information on gorilla strength-they are about 2x stronger than a powerlifter.  
 
 
 
Creation versus Evolution (http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi? Gorilla's are not 20x stronger than Humans, and are not constantly training within their wild habitats.  
 
 
 
There are many aspects involved with lifting strength, and a main part of training involves the muscular memory of you muscles coordinating with one another for the best result.  
 
 
 
And comparing arm strength between a human and a gorilla is an apples to oranges scenario. Human's primary strength is lower body and hips, whereas the gorilla is primarily upper-body.  
 
 
 
Gorillas are also very ill-equipped for overhead lifting capabilities, the world's strongest man could undoubtedly defeat a Gorilla in a contest of overhead lifting, but that does not make the Gorilla weaker than the human, it's all about how the two species were made, and adapted for.  
 
 
 
Humans walk on two legs, meaning our thighs and calves take the force single-handedly, whereas Gorillas walk on both hands and legs, placing part of their pressure on their knuckles.  
 
 
 
In terms of combat, a Gorilla would tear apart a human no matter what the scenario was. The bone density of a Gorilla is immense, they can take numerous blows to their thick skulls that would be normally fatal to a humanaction=msg&f=14&t=1376&m=1 and http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1376&m=196) is a discussion forum. LudoRaphaim says that there may have been no study to determine a gorilla’s strength. One book says it is 4-8 times stronger than a man, while the "Animal face off" show says it is 20 times stronger and LudoRaphaim says it is 20 times stronger in its upper body. Nigel Marvin says it is 5 times stronger. "The Most Extreme" on Animal Planet suggested that a gorilla may be eight times as strong as an Olympic weight lifter. A gorilla may deadlift twice as much as the world's strongest human, but that is also unproven as far as tests that have been done-it may well be the case that the strongest human is stronger than a Silverback, but this is 1 from billions, on average there is simply no contest.  
 
 
 
Thomas M. Greiner (http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-07/995155256.Zo.r.html) considers the problems of defining gorilla strength. He says that most human strength activities, such as weight lifting, involve a degree of skill as well as strength. It is possible that a human could bench press more weight than a gorilla, but that a could tear the arms off the human. Gorillas and humans have variable strengths. The gorilla has very strong arms, compared to a person, although some people do have bigger arms than a gorilla.  
 
 
 
One reader (Abortion) at http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-19908.html says that the gorilla is 20 times stronger than an average adult human. African Wildlife Foundation (http://www.awf.org/content/wildlife/detail/mountaingorilla) says that a mountain gorilla is about 10 times stronger - than the biggest American football players.  
 
 
 
Looking at this conflicting information, it seems that a silverback gorilla is 5-20 times as strong as a human and that 7-8 times seems to be a fair estimate. A general principle in biology is that the basic unit of muscle activity (the sarcomere) is pretty much the same in all animals. That means that the muscle of any animal is just as powerful as the muscle of any other animal. What differs between animals is how the sarcomeres are arranged, and how many of them are dedicated to a particular action. This is a  
 
 
 
difference of biomechanics. By way of comparison, you could put a 500 horsepower engine in a race car and in a tractor. The engine in both vehicles is equally powerful. However, the tractor uses that power to pull heavy objects but not to go fast, while the race car uses that power to go fast but it cannot pull much weight. So, the two vehicles are just as powerful, even though there is no way to compare their performance. Your  
 
 
 
human and gorilla comparison would produce a similar result. The two creatures may be equally powerful, but they are completely unequal in their abilities.  
 
Also to be noted is gorillas die very easily by gunshot as the stupid africans who poach them do all the time-bears on the other hand often kill the same people who shot them multiple times with big bore high caliber rifles-they are far more tough to kill, wound or put down than a gorilla who is easily put down, thats why they are hacked to death by machettes as well. Grizzly would destroy the gorilla, not only are they stronger, but are killers-their name says it all-"Ursus Horribilis". Its a tank of the animal world, and its right here on our own continent! They have an extremely high tolerance to pain, but can sure dish it out-they would maul, kill and eat the gorilla and that would be the end. 
 
 
 

thank you attila, i couldnt have put it better myself. grizzly bear owns gorilla, and pretty much any other animal stupid enough to try and fight it (except MAYBE a very large siberian tiger, but that is a whole other debate on its own).

alright listen djetanis i said that a gorilla is able to lift a grizzly above its head!! not that it would do it in a fight!! yes it would be hard to do that wen a beear is fighting!! and ur a stupid kid to say that draging/pulling is not easier then lifting!! first of all when you drageg you could use your body weight to pull!! and here is an example that draging is easier!! strong man competition guys could pull fire trucks!! but does that mean they could lift!! no. and they i saw a video where a guy pulled a fucking airplane but does that mean he could lift it!! once again no!! and if you would know about but witch u prob dont!! u would know that only half their body weight is muscle and the rest is fat!! so grizzly avrg about 800 lbs so gorillas and grizzlys match up about the same!! gorillas are all muscle! and size doesnt matter what about Royce Gracie in ufc bs some bigg ass dudes that weigh a couple hunderad lbs on him! then Royce Gracie beat thier ass. and a gorilla could lift alot more then its body weight! i mean there are animals that can do it like a leaf cutter ant! or a rhino beetle that can lify 850x its body weight! a fucken grizzly can take a bullet to the head wen it is attacking beacuse of the Adrenaline is pumping and is determind to kill that person thats tring to kill it but not 10/10 u dumbfuck !

@ATTILA u are one of the dumbest kids i heard of! i cant belive that u just said that a guy was stronger than a grilla! and listen to this 200 lbs chimps and go look this up are 10x stronger than a heavyweight boxer!! so how much stronger do u think a 450 lbs gorilla is stronger! and i cant belive u said that humans are only 2x stronger than a silver back! come on now that right there jus shows me that you dont know any thing about animals!! bears on animal planet were the least strongest! and you cant sit here and tell me that animal planet is bullshit!! why would anybody lie about how strong these animals are! they have no reason to! o and about the chimp i saw it on i survived!! idk what channel it was on nut watch it it says that about chimps! and bears have more fucking tool/weapons then bears! bears have there big paws1 but thats it if a gorilla is stronger faster mor flexible smater has a strong bite force! has hands and basicly has hads for feet! so they could grip with there feet and hads1 so who is going to win with that! and ludrephaim said he asked a zoologist if a bear would be stronger and the zoologist agreed but he doesnt know in his opinan he said it would b stronger but are u jus going to belive what some random guy says!! i tried going to the web site where it said a bear is stronger than a gorilla but it didnt work! and people could and stuff in to that web site that aint rue so you cant jus belive everything the internet says! and the cars comparing to humans and gorillas is jus stupid gorillas are stronger and faster than a human so theres no comparasin at all! ok gorillas can kill big cats and bears based on what the tools they have and how they use them listen i hope u guys think im a gorilla lover well i like them but i also like the bear1 but its facts and tools that are saying that a gorilla could kill a bear but we will never know unless we put them in a cage togater like they did in the old days! but ima say this one more time gorillas stronger gorillas fater gorilla smater gorrila has hads witch it could grip and gorilla has on of the strongest biteforce so based on that the groilla would win!! case closed!

i messed up in some of my words my computer is being stipid

man, this east 95 kid is stupid, you dont know shit about physics or biology or nothing do u, simple math could tell u that a grizzly already has more muscle then a goriila even if it is fat. and no gorillas are not all muscle, i suggest you take a closer look at some gorilla pictures, youre just spewing all these junk facts you got off the internet wityh no real science or nothing backing your claims, im not even gonna bother arguing anymore with a retard such as yourself, anyone with half a brain could tell you youre wrong, gorillas may be strong but they are not fighters, they are gentle herbivores that prefer to avoid conflict, while grizzlies are born killers that get into tons of fights ion their life, and gorillas arent the super fast and agile animals everyone makes them out to be. youre argument is stupid, and any comments you make any more i will just ignore because frankly they are just a waste of my time.

and by the way, when people pull these trucks and airplanes, have you ever noticed that they have wheels, a person could drag a blue whale if you put wheels on it but would be unable to drag a 300lb rock that was just lying on the ground. and were talking about a grizzly dragging a 2000lb dead moose UPHILL FOR A MILE, thats a dead weight that creates huge friction with the ground. and since i dont think u can do math im gonna help you with the muscle problem for gorillas. 
no animal is all muscle, if they were all muscle they would die. 
a 400lb gorilla is approx. 30-40% muscle by weight(this is the ratio for almost all animals) which means a total of 120-160lb of muscle. a grizzly on the other hand, assuming it weighs about 1000lbs means that their is 300-400lb of muscle in it. now since a toddler could tell me that the grizzly has more muscle in it, you can see the picture. now you say that beetles can lift 850 times their weight(its actually more like 70, but i can see u r relying the internet again), the reason behind it is because beetles are small. a small animal is always going to be pound for pound stronger then a larger animal, so if you shrunk a human to the size of a beetle, we would be able to lift 70 times our weight too. and by the way dumbass, animals dont know marshal arts, which is why royce gracie won that fight in ufc where the use alot of marshall arts. and unlike grizzlies which are the tanks of the animal world, a gorilla is pretty easy to kill with even a low caliber handgun, so what does that say about gorillas DUMBFUCK.

Well, actually, djetanis, despite me not agreeing with east at all on the gorilla topic, the rhinoceros beetle is actually the strongest insect out there. They can grow from 1.5-3.5 inches in length and lift up to 850xs their own body weight, so east has you there on some part, however, he was not specific on the type of beetle. But otherwise, I agree with you on the gorilla topic. Gorillas are not as strong as some individuals think. They are strong, but they cannot lift over a ton. I even think the Most Extreme was a little farfetched on the weight a gorilla can lift. About 1500-2500lbs sound more reasonable for a silverback to be able to lift. The typical silverback only gets around 390lbs in the wild. The average inland grizzly boars are about 490lbs, while the average coastal grizzly boars are about 650-700lbs. The average Kodiak boar is about 750-800lbs. Gorilla has a lot of muscle, but not as a much as big cat or bear. Big cats and bears tie up in muscle mass ratios, with big cats having slightly higher muscle masses, but bears usually have thicker bones, and a more compact build. 
 
 
 
 
 
Again, may I state? 
 
 
 
Average SILVERBACK gorilla: 350-390lbs 
 
Largest gorilla recorded in the wild: 510lbs 
 
Largest gorilla recorded in captivity: 640lbs 
 
 
 
 
 
Average Bengal tiger: 400-425lbs 
 
Average Amur (Siberian tiger): 420-450lbs 
 
Largest tiger recorded in the wild: 860lbs 
 
Largest tiger recorded in captivity: 1025lbs 
 
 
 
 
 
And don’t even get me started on ligers, Polar bears, or brown bears. 
 
 
 
I’m also wondering, despite their massive food intake, would a liger make a decent pet. If I were to win the lottery right now, would a liger be a good pet, considering their only real drawbacks are space and food, because ligers have never actually showed major signs of aggression, like tigers or lions have, as I recall. What I’m saying is that, if someone had millions of dollars to put into investing a liger as a pet, would the liger be a good pet? It seems they have lost their hunting instincts, in captivity, and as long as you have a load of money for their food and space, they wouldn’t be such a bad pet…………

I did some "iffy" calculations, including the weight of a rhinoceros beetle, and how much they can lift, and how many rhinoceros beetles it would require to make up a pound. They weigh about 85g, and a pound is about 453.6g. Five rhinos make up a lb. I infer they can be about 3-6xs stronger than a human, if scaled up to the size of a human. It can be possible, as there is extra strength from a beetle that can get up to 7 inches long (Hercules beetle is the largest species of rhinoceros beetle), to be sized up to human terms and manage. They would just need a WHOLE lot of oxygen. Beetles, I would say are a more evolved order of inscts, and I doubt many beetle species were around during the time of the "giant arthropods". The average human male is about 170lbs, which means about 850 rhinos make up the average human male. The average human male can probably lift about .30-1xs their own weight over their head. 
 
I would also like to point out the interesting animal known as the armored shrew……… The animal that can manage with the average human male on its back……. They must have a very strong back, in proportion to their body, if they were to accomplish such a feat, therefore I may consider them the strongest mammal, living at their current size. 
 

djetanis you are a dumb ass kid who doesnt know shit! gorillas are gentle towrds humans but does not mean it isnt capable of doing anythin! wen its defending its self it would fight! grizzlys kill but prey you cant sit here and tell me that that counts as a fight the fucken prey does not fight back u dumbfuck! and yea i know funcken animals dont know mma but some kid said size matters all im trying to say is that size doesnt matter! listen a airplane and fire truck does have weeels but weels arent going to talke all weight away dumb fuck so even with weels there would be still hard to pull! and they cant lift it and once again im not going to repeat myself draging is way easier then pulling and i know that a gorilla can drag a dead carcus 2000 lbs up hill! they could be easy to kill with a gun but does not make them lose the fight right away! never said that a gorilla is super fast but it is faster compaerd to a grizzly i know a and it is more agile DUMBFUCK!! DONT WRITE ANYTHING BACK IF UR NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH ME!

YEA I WOULDT MIND HAVING A LIGER AS A PET SINSE THERE NOT WILD COULD STILL KILL ME BUT SO CAN DOGS SO WOULDT MIN IT AT ALL. BUT YOU ARE STATING THE RECORD FOR WEIGHT BUT THEY ARE JUST FAT AND OBESE DOES NOT DO ANYTHING! AND WHY WOULDT ANIMAL PLANET LIE ABOUT THE GORILLAS STREGHT IF YOUR NOT AN EXPERT THEN DONT SAY A GORILLA CANT LIFT A TON OVER ITS HEAD! ANIMAL PLANETS MOST EXTREM ARE EXPERTS AND WOULD NOT LIE THEY HAVE NO REASON TO.

I sense anger in you east.......... 
 
Capitalizing your letters in an angry, broken English fashion is very convincing.......... I have seen quite a few flaws with some of the shows on Animal Planet. I was watching "Killing for a Living" right now, and it stated that the tenerec is a close relative of hedgehogs, when that theory was actually disproved a few years ago. Now tenerecs are placed in the Superorder, Afrotheria, which contains elephants, sirenians (manatees and dugongs), hyraxes, elephant shrews, golden moles and aardvarks. Hedhogs are in the super order (not order) Laurasiatheria, as they remained in before the classification split up out of the now extinct order, known as Insectivora. Now, insectivora is a now extinct order and has placed certain animals into different groups than previously thought. True shrews and true moles are placed under an order known as the Soricomorphs, while hedgehogs and moonrats are placed under another order, the Erinaceomorph. But both of these orders are in the same superorder. Golden moles are now no longer classified as true moles and are now as distantly related to moles as tenerecs are. Let’s put it in this perspective; tenerecs, and golden moles are now Afrotherians, which means their more closely related to elephants (and extinct relatives), sea cows (dugongs and manatees), hyraxes, elephant shrews and aardvarks. Hedgehogs, moon rats, moles, and true shrews are ore closely related to even toed (artiodactyls) and odd toed (perissodactyls) ungulates, carnivorans, cetaceans, creodonts (and many other extinct orders), pangolins and chiroptera (bats). 
 
 
 
I may have gotten off topic quite a bit, but something, just to show you that Animal Planet is not perfect, and should not be your only source of info. 
 
 
 
 
 

WELL ITS NOT MAY ONLY SOUCE INFO BUT WEN I SAID ANIMAL PLANET I MEANT MOST EXTERM IM SURE THAT THERE IS ERRORS BUT THATS A DIFFERENT TV SHOW. AND I WAS TYPING IN CAPS ON MYSPACE I JUST FOR GOT TO TAKE THEM OFF. AND NO IM NOT ANGERY BUT SOME WHAT IRRATATED THAT IM TRYING TO CONVINCE KIDZ THAT DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANIMALS WHO IS THE WINNER. BUT THERES NO POINT OF ME ARGUING WITH KIDS CAUSE I KNOW IM RIGHT AND THEY JUST LOOK STUPID. I MEAN THERE WAS A GUY ON HERE WHO SAID BEAR ARE THE STRONGEST LAND ANIMALS IF HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THEN HE WOULD SAY THAT ELEPHANTS ARE THE STRONGEST LAND ANIMAL BUT ITS NOT YOUR GUYS FAULT THAT YOUR DUMB AND DONT KNOW ANYTHING. HAHAHA

mr. alien, ya theres no doubt that beetles are the strongest insects, i jost dont think that its 850x its own weight, 'cause i believe the hercules beetle already weighs about 100g, anyways, moot point, weve already agreed that beetles are the strongest insect.

good east 95,goooood. now, strike me down, RELEASE YOUR ANGER, and your traning to the darkside shall be complete. altho, u should probably know something first. I AM YOUR FATHER! 
btw, it doesnt take a genius to know that a moose does fight back when a grizzly attacks it, if you dont believe me, try using youtube. and you dont KNOW that a gorilla can drag 2000lbs, you just THINK it can, stop tlaking out of your ass you fucking moron.

hey mr. alien. to answer your question, the problem with keeping a liger as a pet is not that they are agressive, they are actually pretty docile due to gene mutations when the two species interbreed, however feeding such a large animal 60lbs of raw meat a day doesnt come cheap, not to mention the space needed to keep it healthy, so i wouldnt suggest getting one unless youre really rich.

Oh no, I know that; That's why I said IF somebody one the lottery of like 50 million or more dollars. But, I mean, the only flaw at owning them is that if they want to play, they could snap you in half, by accident. LOLZ. And east; you said ligers are obese? Please look at the pictures on the net of ligers. You can easily see their muscle tone. Their weight AND SIZE comes for ma gene mutation called gigantism. They are pretty much as large or larger than both of their parents combined. Very funny. I wonder how much it hurts for the female tiger to push out such a big baby. Possible C- section, I'm guessing? I wasn’t really planning on getting one, though, unless of course, I one the Mega Millions, which my mom always keep attempting at it (it’s been 2 years  
 
of buying tickets before every drawing) and no luck. >.< We one the Mega Bowl, but we got two dollars. -.- I remember months ago, the lottery was very high; about 350 million. Damn, maybe even more. Someone in the Bronx won it. :P Close enough to my place on LI………..

LOL, what stupid mistake. 
 
 
 
I said "one", instead of "won".

east95 
 
Did you forget to take your meds? Why so much anger? It's funny how you keep saying that you're arguing with kids when you seem to act just like one. the anger and temper tantrum, the swearing and name-calling. Calm down hulk.

-------------------------------------------------"The Incredible East"-------------------------------------------------------- 
 
 
 
He's a really incredible beast! 
 
 
 
 
 
Starring: 
 
- East as the "Incredible East" 
 
 
 
Don’t get him angry………. 
 
 
 

http://www.xinjo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/liger.jpg 
 
 
 
You're saying a gorilla could kill this thing? GJ at sizing up matches East! 
 
 
 
In East's world, gorillas can throw elephants, breath fire, and kill any animal they square off with!

MrAlien, Yeah I think east95's been watching too many King Kong vs <insert creature here> movies.

Bwahaha. I bet you the hulk can kick king kong's @$$ any day.

Yes! In the King Kong Universe, gorillas grow 25 feet tall, use giant tree trunks as battering rams, and kill 3 Tyrannosauruses at a time.

NO IM NOT GETTING ANERY AND KING KONG CAN KILL THE HULK. ITS A FACT IVE SEEN E=WITH MY OWN FOUR EYES. I DONT HAVE GLASSES. BUT IVE SAID WAT I HAD TO SAY BUT ITS LIKE CONVINCING A RETARD ABOUT SOMETHING. ITS SOUNDS WRONG BUT THATS HOW IT FEELS LIKE. IN FACT ITS FUNNY ON HOE RETARTED ASS COCKS LIKE YOU GUYS LOL ASS COCKS! THINK YOU GUYS KNOW EVERYTHING. BUT ITS OK I KNOW IM RIGHT. P.S. THERES NO POINT IN WRITING BACK CAUSE IM NOT COMING ON THIS WEBSITE AGAIN FILLED WITH DUMBASSES HAHA SHIT. SEE YA IMA GET PUSSY WITCH YOU GUYS WINT NO LIFE KIDS HAHA

O I FORGOT GUYS I FUCKED UR MOMS FOR BREAKFEAST LOL HAHAHA I CRACK MYSELF UP. NAW BUT FOR REAL I DID THEY WERE GOOD AS FUCK. XCEPT MrAlien123456 AND judge MOMS THIER PUSSY STINKS LIKE SHIT MIXED WITH SKUNK ASS LOL! AND Jo UR MOMS MOANING SOUNDS LIKE A MIX OF FERGIE AND JESUS LOL GOT THAT FROM STEP BROTHERS BUT ITS STILL FUNY AND VERY WELL TRUE. BYE BYE FAGGOTS O AND TELL UR MOMS TO CALL ME!

Wow, East, you finally convinced all of us that you are a mere child. I already admitted I was fifteen a while back on different post, but I am not a child who uses profanity and think I'm top notch using caps lock all of the time to get what I want like a little baby.  
 
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! I FINK I MAID A POOPEE IN MAI PANTS MAMA!!!

East95, And you expect everyone to believe your claims after that tirade? So bitter and angry. Grow up kid. 
 
Funny how you call everyone else dumbasses when you can't spell: 
 
ANERY, HOE, RETARTED, WITCH,... 
 

Lol. Boy somebody seems so angry. hulk smash.

@east95 
 
And there goes the temper tantrum. Make sure you hide all your breakables before you start flailing your arms and throwing things.

East95-I'm no kid, I'm a Marine who currently works at Johnson Space Center(NASA) and a heavy weight boxer isn't near a strong enough comparison to use-I'M more strong than them-I was training for WSM but didn't continue with it but pursued my career at NASA to put food on the table WSM is something you have to have an extreme passion for, and mine isn't enough to have pursued it. THere are people who probably can outlift a gorilla in some strength events, and if you don't believe me, stop quoting animal planet, because they are one source I'm using to quote, the others I've provided below. I'm not going to re-type what I've written, so for east95's benefit so he can actually learn about gorilla's I will copy what I've already posted earlier: 
 
PM by east95-there is NO proof that a gorilla is any stronger than 7 times that of a person-an AVERAGE person at that, there are Scandinavians such as Magnus Ver Magnusson, Svend Karlson, Jon Pall Sigmarsson and Magnus Samuelsson who could most likely destroy a gorilla in strength feats.  
 
 
 
A bear cub(Grizzly) flipped a huge rock over that 7 men couldn't budge-that was only a cub! Grizzly is FAR more powerful than a gorilla and is the very symbol accross the world of strength-bears wrestle people because they can be "trained" to take it easy on people, but even then, people have gotten hurt, like Doug who owned Bart the Bear, a 1,600 lb Grizzly who was a star in "The Edge", "The Bear" and other movies. Grizzlys can and have lifted with ease far more weight than that-they have carried moose carcasses up mountains, do you know how heavy a moose is? Their upper body is tremendously powerful and they are far stronger than the smaller, weaker gorilla.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Here is REAL information on gorilla strength-they are about 2x stronger than a powerlifter.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Creation versus Evolution (http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi? Gorilla's are not 20x stronger than Humans, and are not constantly training within their wild habitats.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
There are many aspects involved with lifting strength, and a main part of training involves the muscular memory of you muscles coordinating with one another for the best result.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
And comparing arm strength between a human and a gorilla is an apples to oranges scenario. Human's primary strength is lower body and hips, whereas the gorilla is primarily upper-body.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Gorillas are also very ill-equipped for overhead lifting capabilities, the world's strongest man could undoubtedly defeat a Gorilla in a contest of overhead lifting, but that does not make the Gorilla weaker than the human, it's all about how the two species were made, and adapted for.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Humans walk on two legs, meaning our thighs and calves take the force single-handedly, whereas Gorillas walk on both hands and legs, placing part of their pressure on their knuckles.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In terms of combat, a Gorilla would tear apart a human no matter what the scenario was. The bone density of a Gorilla is immense, they can take numerous blows to their thick skulls that would be normally fatal to a humanaction=msg&f=14&t=1376&m=1 and http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1376&m=196) is a discussion forum. LudoRaphaim says that there may have been no study to determine a gorilla’s strength. One book says it is 4-8 times stronger than a man, while the "Animal face off" show says it is 20 times stronger and LudoRaphaim says it is 20 times stronger in its upper body. Nigel Marvin says it is 5 times stronger. "The Most Extreme" on Animal Planet suggested that a gorilla may be eight times as strong as an Olympic weight lifter. A gorilla may deadlift twice as much as the world's strongest human, but that is also unproven as far as tests that have been done-it may well be the case that the strongest human is stronger than a Silverback, but this is 1 from billions, on average there is simply no contest.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Thomas M. Greiner (http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-07/995155256.Zo.r.html) considers the problems of defining gorilla strength. He says that most human strength activities, such as weight lifting, involve a degree of skill as well as strength. It is possible that a human could bench press more weight than a gorilla, but that a could tear the arms off the human. Gorillas and humans have variable strengths. The gorilla has very strong arms, compared to a person, although some people do have bigger arms than a gorilla.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
One reader (Abortion) at http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-19908.html says that the gorilla is 20 times stronger than an average adult human. African Wildlife Foundation (http://www.awf.org/content/wildlife/detail/mountaingorilla) says that a mountain gorilla is about 10 times stronger - than the biggest American football players.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Looking at this conflicting information, it seems that a silverback gorilla is 5-20 times as strong as a human and that 7-8 times seems to be a fair estimate. A general principle in biology is that the basic unit of muscle activity (the sarcomere) is pretty much the same in all animals. That means that the muscle of any animal is just as powerful as the muscle of any other animal. What differs between animals is how the sarcomeres are arranged, and how many of them are dedicated to a particular action. This is a  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
difference of biomechanics. By way of comparison, you could put a 500 horsepower engine in a race car and in a tractor. The engine in both vehicles is equally powerful. However, the tractor uses that power to pull heavy objects but not to go fast, while the race car uses that power to go fast but it cannot pull much weight. So, the two vehicles are just as powerful, even though there is no way to compare their performance. Your  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
human and gorilla comparison would produce a similar result. The two creatures may be equally powerful, but they are completely unequal in their abilities.  
 
 
 
Also to be noted is gorillas die very easily by gunshot as the stupid africans who poach them do all the time-bears on the other hand often kill the same people who shot them multiple times with big bore high caliber rifles-they are far more tough to kill, wound or put down than a gorilla who is easily put down, thats why they are hacked to death by machettes as well. Grizzly would destroy the gorilla, not only are they stronger, but are killers-their name says it all-"Ursus Horribilis". Its a tank of the animal world, and its right here on our own continent! They have an extremely high tolerance to pain, but can sure dish it out-they would maul, kill and eat the gorilla and that would be the end.  
 
 
 

well it looks like we all agree on two things. first, grizzly bear kills gorilla, and second, east 95 is a prepubescent idiot. does that pretty much sum it up?

You should see what he wrote on the Siberian Tiger vs. Silverback Gorilla. He really broke out in whining and screaming. He sounded very juvenile (trying to dis people's mothers). LOLZ  
 
I think he hates every animal, except gorillas......... 
 
he even tried making a "new poster", and tried talking like a "badass" about how a gorilla could kill a tiger. I also remember the guy "Assy N***a". I have a feeling that he was East, as well. He was the one commenting on the thread of Baboon vs. Wolverine, and kept saying how a baboon would kill a wolverine, when first off, wolverines have stronger jaws, thicker bones, and have documented kill more than a share of what 3 baboons ever did. On his very last post, he commented in capital letters; around the same time East started to use them, as well. He also had quite a few grammatical errors, and even said that “He had a friend who got part of his lip torn off by a 5lb monkey.” A quote from “Wild Recon”………. I think monkeys are strong, but the New World monkeys have shown more acts of being a dangerous foe that Old World monkeys have. Probably showing how they’re more aggressive, as well as being stronger than Old World monkeys, pound for pound. If you ever saw the episode of “Untamed and Uncut” where a spider monkey nearly ripped a 13 year old girls face off, and it required a good 1-3 fully grown men to ply the animal off of her…….. Never saw that happen with a baboon. The only documented case of a baboon killing a human was a baby that was in him/her bedroom, sleeping and the window was open, giving the monkey a chance to grab, and kill her (apparently, the baboon thought it was a young goat). 
 

im a fag ima suck east95 s huge cock. but he is not gay and knows about animals i love him

i stink like ass cuz im a nigger and my moms pussy is so big cuz she a hoe and ima fuck her. i have no friends that pretty much sums it god ima fag

im a dumb ass kid!!!!!

i have no life cuz im a fag

jus call me the gay kid on the block moma plz suck my dick

here is my small dick 8+D i have a chode

u dwont wike mee when im angway  
 
 
 
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!! 
 
MOMMYYYYYYYYYY DER BING MEEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEE

very nice attempt at trying to be an imposter. not only did your horrible spelling give u away but also your incredible stupidity. All you've done is further prove to us that you are a pathetic, moronic, prepubescent idiot who reverts to being a child when someone presents a better argument then him. good job buddy, bravo. good luck finding your way in the real world because with an attitude like that, people are going to be walking all over you.

East95-don't ever post using my name you little punk, like that post above-in real life if you tried this crap in person, you'd be beaten as fast as the gorilla would be against the Grizzly, and I'd be wearing your teeth on a necklace-but you get away with it girly-man because you're safe behind your little computer.

hahaha why u getting so mad ATTILA hahaha

no im 6'7 300 lbs of muscle so im going to walk on them and how old are you djetanis like 30 living in ur moms house still hahaha

im gay!!! i stil ive at my moms house.

o who ever did that comment with my name was not funny. i have a sense of humor but that wasnt even funny. im not mad but who ever did that could do better than that.

i think im a badass cuz im telling people i would fight them if i saw them!!! i a little punk who sucks dick and cant fight!! there you go ATTILA i did it again what the fuck are you gunna do about it bitch. thats right nothing

300lbs of muscle my ass. people with 300lbs of muscle dont talk like u do.

Ooh lok at me, im a little skinny sjhit faghgot who cant speill an has to lie about his size to get attention. i liike sucking cock and getting pounded in teh asshole. fuck my ass pleazze!!

Wow, east, I never knew you were so...... well.....homosexual. As the prior comment indicates, you apparently like sucking penis and prefer gettng anal from other men........ 
 
 
 
LOL AND 300lbs of muscle, East? AHHAHAHAHA  
 
 
 
More like 300 grams of muscle.......... 
 
 
 
300 grams= .66 lbs

wow east95, i geuss you just had to come out the closet eh. so wats your preference, are you into giant elephant cocks or just pencil dicks of your own size. Although really i always figured you were a faggot from the minute you opened your prepube mouth. And I know that you will respond with some stupid shit like "Yous a fat niggers tat fukz hi s mom fuck your mom nao BYe and live wit you re mo m", but you know what, I don't care, your just some stupid kid who acts tough on the internet. So go ahead, make my day.

I would just love to find out this little bitch's IP address, then he'd be in real deep shit 'cause we would all know where he lives. probably wouldn't be so cocky in person either.

He's probably a wimpy, homeless, person, that keeps moving his RV all around the world, since he's a dickless little wimp, making so many enemies, on his campaign. 
 

I dont think hes homeless, after all he seams to be able to won his own computer, hes probably just another stupid american kid who thinks he can act tough just 'cause he's got a rich daddy. Although i wonder how much his daddy will back him up after he finds out he's a cock craving faggot.

im a faggot djetanis your the one who takes cock up in the ass and ur not american wat are you then? go america!

MrAlien123456 how do you think im homeless? i wouldnt have a computer or anything if i was homeless. man man. i feel bad for your mom

djetanis i would whip the shit out of you if i saw you in person. im not joking im not saying this becuz im behind the computer. i know mma and im a real good boxer. im trying to go pro so i dont think finding out where i live and trying to fgiht me is such a good idea

Homeless people can have computers; really stupid ones, like you...... 
 
I bet you carry around a laptop mini, and sleep outside stores that have WiFi connection. 
 
 
 
And BTW, I don't know a pro boxer who would have a temper tantrum, like a baby, like the one you just had…….. You could probably make a good kick boxer, considering that you kick and scream all of the time when you don’t get something you want, like the pre-pubescent creature you are………  
 
Did someone make a poopoo?

Time for a diaper change, East.

holy crap east95 is 6 ft 7 and 300 pounds, we better be carefull. 
 
anyway the grizzly wins, pound for pound the gorrila is probably stronger but the bear is bigger and stronger. if the gorrila was smart it would run obviously. 
 
the Attila, are you serious? a gorilla is 7.5x as strong as an adult men, where did you get 20 from? an elephant, which is the worlds strongest land animal, is about 22x strong as a men. 
 
a grizzly however, in about 13x as strong. the polar bear, which is the stongest land carnivore of all is 15x as strong as a men. the siberian tiger is 11.5x as strong, a lion is 10 x as strong and the jaguar is 6x as strong. 
 
now if I put all of these animals on the same weight, at 500 pounds: 
 
jaguar would be 13.6x as strong 
 
lion would be 11.9x as strong 
 
tiger would be 11.5 as strong 
 
gorilla would be 11x as strong 
 
grizzly would be 9.3x as strong 
 
polar bear would be 8.3x as strong 
 
elephant would be 1.2x as strong 
 
so its clear that pound for pound big cats are the strongest off all, and gorrilas are stonger then bears. And for animals its own size, an elephant is quite weak.

I tought I already mentioned this East you fucktard, I'm Canandian, why the fuck would I wanna be American you guys are already hated by half the entire world anyways. And I don't believe for a fucking second that you are the 300lb MMA boxer you say you are, Iknow some MMA fighters, and they arent whiny faggots like you, so instead of acting like a hard ass beefcake, why dont you show us some proof that you are really who u say u are

East is just another internet tough guy http://www.clubfuji.com/Ash/a%20InternetToughGuy.jpg

So what exactly are you saying mr animalia? Are you on the grizzlys side or the gorillas? A bear would obviously get much stronger on average and both animals are aggressive, but as i said on the grizzly vs tiger link, theres no stopping an enragged grizzly or a confident/determind grizzly. No chance for the gorilla end of story this isnt even that great of a fight since its so clear who would win. No explaination is needed to back it up.

Hey mr animalia, your calculations are good and all, but you forgot one thing, as an animal gets smaller, it gets stronger in relation to its size, which is why insects like ants and beetles can lift weights 100x their own. so really the elephant would be around 6x the strebtgh of a man at a weigth of 500 lbs

LIon man, I am saying that a Grizzly shouldn't have much trouble against a gorilla. A gorilla is not a fighter. But if a leopard can kill a gorilla I'm sure a grizzly can too.  
 
The silverback gorilla is very over rated on this site, I mean it is strong, but puttung it in a fight against a tiger or grizzly will just destoy the poor ape. 
 
the reason I calculated the power of these beasts is because some guy named East95 very overestimates the power of the gorilla

An expert says the gorrila is no match for a bear: 
 
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Interspecies-Conflict-3754/2009/11/Mountain-Gorilla-vs-Grizzly.htm 
 
hilarious video Btw :D

Actually, Mr. Animalia, you did not include the effect o what mass, weight and gravity all have on an animals body. If an elephant were scaled down to the size of a tiger it would be IMMESNLY STRONG. An elephant already has to be durable, if it is sustaining such massive bulk and weight. If an elephant were the size of a tiger, it would probably range from 10-13xs stronger than the average human. The average man can life about .3- .75xs their own body weight. The elephant, even at it's massive size, can lift 25% of it's own body weight, which would also be .25xs their own body weight, but if we were to say the average African elephant bull male is about 5 tons, and the average man is about 170lbs, then the African elephant would be about 59xs as heavy as an average adult man. And so, we can try and scale that down. Losing mass can really mean gaining more strength to body ratio. It can lead to animal in about "the ten or more times stronger" range. Just like if you sclaed a Hercules beetle up (can lift many time its own weight), they may still be about 3-5xs stronger than the average man, because, they are already average about 5 inches in length and can lift a larger amount of weight in comparison to their body, than an ant can; about 500-850xs their own body weight. The beetle, at its final stage can weigh about 100 grams. So it's plausible to say that an animal that size can be scaled to the size of a man and still be able to maintain it's body mass, if it were to receive a LOT of oxygen in its environment.

I HAVE THUMBS. CAN I BEAT A BEAR????

djetanis the only reson im be a hadrass is becuz i have a reson to. and why hate on america. the only reason other nations dont like us is becuz they dont like what what we have. they are jealous. we cant help that were the best nation. no americans gives a fuck if half the world likes us or not.so they could just envy us! you bitch ass Canandian! no one gives a fuck about canada.A!!!! hahaha A! fuck canada u guys are just so jealous.

mr animalia you should be carefull

MrAlien123456 do you think calling me a baby is a gunna hear my feelings. you have bad jokes. bad comebacks.

i meant hurt

MrAlien123456 i i was homeless. and had a laptop. i would sell it for money so i could get food. any homeless person would do that. i have a computer so... im not homeless. FAGGGOT!!!

if i was homeless is wat i meant to say

mr animalia where did you get all your information on how strong those animals are?? and im not being overated on gorillas. most people underestimate. grizzlys are the overated ones on this website. most people voted bears and tigers vs gorillas. so.. gorillas are very underestimated. but most people dont know anything on this website such as djetanis and MrAlien123456 wich are bitches ass fags who take cock to the ass everyday by thier momz!!

Nope, I just wanted to say the obvious, so imbecilic invalids, that are recently breaking a menstrual cycle, like you, can understand it in terms they would be able to comprehend. 
 
 
 
Ooooohhhh, you called me a “faggot“; I should really be scared……. NOT………… 
 
And if you were homeless, you’d be too half- witted to sell your laptop. You’d, instead, use a knife to cut it open and eat the wires connecting to the motherboard. BTW, I recall you apparently stating that you will never return to this forum, again? What happened; just couldn’t resist having another temper tantrum, or was a menstrual cycle calling your inner beast? 
 
 
 
Although I had my arguments and my own set of words for Mr. Animalia, in the past, I don’t see why “he should be careful” or to be put into words you would use “he shwood be carfew”. Is that a threat? Because I don’t think a mentally impaired child would be much of a threat, considering that you also probably live on the other side of the country.

MrAlien123456 no its not a threat i was jus messing with him. and i couldnt resist talking about ur mom and my son wich is YOU. and he shwood be carfew yea cuz i said just like that bitch. and calling you a faggot is not to make you scared. but to tell you the truth about ur self. just come out the closet. its okay if your gay. no one cares lol o i was reading these comments and you have been on this websit since september. wat a no life. haha

o and tell me how im having a tantrum. im just talking about ur mom. thats all not a tantrum. hahaha. u have no comebacks or jokes so i think your the one who is having the tantrum.

east 95, 
 
do you know that when a whole gorilla family meets a single leopard it's the gorilla who backs up? A poor gorilla would stand a chance against either tiger or grizzly. at the same weight they are about equal in strenght but note this: 
 
Largest gorilla: 630 lbs 
 
Largest tiger: 1025 lbs 
 
Largest grizzly: 1492 lbs 
 
so my gues is, that when both gorilla and grizzly would be on there largest, a grizzly would be twice as strong. And making the gorilla face a siberian tiger and grizzly bear is just a clear sign off overestimation. Leopards and black bears, those will put up a good fight. but a grizzly? that match would be as short as a wrestling match between John cena and Jamie noble. gorilla are smart, and they will not attack a grizzly, they now better. 
 
I believe even a female grizzly is to much for a male gorilla, esspecially when she is defending her little cubs. 
 
Coastal Grizzly Bear beats Muontian Gorilla, its not an opinion, its a fact.

oo and you look like a real nerd saying all those words. i know ur a nerd. i bet you have glasses. and is real fat or is real skinny. o and i bet you wear xbox shirts to school. hahaha. and is a virgin. haha ur prob siting there like how did he know?? hahaha

And one more thing: 
 
you are saying that they under estimate the gorilla? Making gorilla's fight tigers and grizzly bears is a clear sign of over estimation. The pole just means that most people who vote, use commen sense. 
 
Silverback gorilla's who sometimes get killed by leopards, wouldn't stand a crap chance against a full grown male grizzly 
 
If a grizzly can break an elks nech in one or two swipes, it could easily kill a grizzly.

I'm a virgin because I'm fifteen, you imbecile. And I do have a girlfriend, ATM. My relationship with her began about two months ago..... And yet, you're a pre-pubescent child, who never managed to grow a penis, in development, as an embryo, and so, you are angry at yourself, and got a sex change. Congrats; you're experiencing your first menstrual cycle, East. You’re finally growing up into a bratty, man-woman. You are lost about which sex you really are; aren’t you? And fat? You wish……. 
 
Xbox shirts? No thanks. I play Xbox LIVE, with my friends, but the majority of the boys in my school do have Xbox LIVE accounts, so it’s nothing to be ashamed of……..

why dont u jus fuck ur ugly girlfriend or she doesnt want your small dick. if you even have one. she prob jus went out wit you becuz she felt bad. hahaha and stop with the lame jokes god ur so bad at comebacks for real!

mr animalia it is your opinion. have you ever seen a grizzly fight a gorilla? no didnt think so. and when you compare weights your are doing the obese. what does obese prove? and weight is nothing at all. and gorillas prob do back up. but that doesnt mean anything what so ever. the gorilla rarly gets into fights. it more of a peace maker. but is able to kill with ease when provoked. and grizzlys have been scared off by wolverines. but what does that prove?

o and by the way i lost my virginity at 14 so you need to get some. people i know lost it around my age. hurry up before your the 40 yr old virgin.

HAHAHAHA!!!! Thats classic east95 LMFAO!!! That was funny. But anyway about the fight, it doesnt make you a geek if someone knows about wildlife. I know alot about wildlife and so what?! A geek is somebody who sits at home and does there homework 24/7. Knowing about the environment is a gift and strength with some people. A grizzly doesnt even need to fight a gorilla to win, watch how both animals fight. 
 
 
 
Grizzly bear 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFtAEM7GkO4&feature=channel 
 
 
 
Silverback gorilla 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZItE4FQU784 
 
 
 
A gorilla looks so clumsy when it fights. As for grizzlys, they look devastatingly powerful and strong. A gorilla wouldnt stand a chance in a fight with a grizzly so stop wasting energy arguing about it.

East95, you dont even have any evidance to back up your vote and comments your just bitching and making yourself look like a dumb ass, you should be embarassed man. That doesnt look good. So fuck off!!

Look at this document i have about very large grizzlys. 
 
 
 
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.riverhousecanada.com/images/telkwa_grizzly.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.riverhousecanada.com/phantom_grizzly.htm&usg=__XFtP2NH6PgB3PRi3Ysr-rd-MVxg=&h=768&w=1024&sz=67&hl=en&start=74&itbs=1&tbnid=Y9cP3xsRzZ67hM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgrizzly%2Bbear%2Bteeth%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D63 
 
 
 
Most of large bears in the wild arent obese, just really big and strong.

You know East, i like you, you know, cause you don't quit (even if your comebacks do make you look like an idiot, i mean seriously, you called me a fagot like 9 times and so far the only one who looks like one is you) but a word to the wise, you should be nice to nerds, because chances are a nerd is going to be giving you your paycheck when you're older. Also, if you had any life experience, which you dont, you would know that no girl is going to go out with a guy for 2 months out of mercy. 1 maybe 2 dates at the max. but not a relationship. So stop talking out of your ass with your supposed "facts" and suck my big fat giant Cock and GROW A PAIR YOU WHINY BITCH

Also, youre tho one who comments most on this thread so really whos the one with no life. And I would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS be jealous of being american, almost half of the US is obese anyways so chances are youre a 300lb sweaty fat kid, which would explain why you cant type, must be hard with those fat-ass fingers.

No person has ever measured the strength of a gorilla. A 400 pound silverback gorilla might be as strong as a 400 pound silvertip grizzly ( which is a small grizzly ). However, the bear's fighting ability would probably overwhelm the great ape.

You're right about no test has been done on gorilla's, but experts and information I've posted way above on this thread concluded a gorilla is about 7-8X stronger than the average person-an average gorilla is around 330-30 lbs-the Grizzly is stronger, but yeah, his fighting style is superior and they have far more experience at it. Just think how strong a Grizzly has to be in order to fight and kill bison, moose, and caribou, let alone run 35 mph! Definately the Grizzly would overwhelm the gorilla, I have no doubt of this.

yep attila and lion man, its true 
 
an avergae 600 lb grizzly would be nearly twice as strong as an average 340 lb gorilla. The fact is that even a female grizzly would be to much for the gorilla. the females who get approxiatly the same wtg are better armed. well they both have a crushing bite. But while the grizzly has 5 inch claws the gorilla has what we have, fingernails. And the grizzly can run at a top speed 35 mph. While a gorilla runs at a top speed of only 25 mph. 
 
So my gues would be that the when the gorilla would see a grizzly it would run, if it was forced to fight it would lose.

Naturalists who study gorillas have concluded that the silverback never retreats. Not even against overwhelming odds such as poachers. That 600 pound grizzly that Mr.Animalia spoke of, which could mangle a lion or a tiger, could easily kill a 340 pound gorilla. This is true.  
 
But, in a face-off between a 400 pound gorilla and a 400 pound grizzly, I believe that the gorilla would put up a damn good fight. However, the apex carnivore, the grizzly, would kill the gorilla in perhaps 8 out of 10 fights. The fighting style of the gorilla is also a bit of a mystery. Fights between bulls are very ritualistic and might be differant than the way the great ape fights a predator.  
 

yes, i have to agree with toby, a gorilla would definately put up a very good fight when both animals are of equal size, but the grizzly would still win, although perhaps not without a few injuries, but grizzlies are used to being injured all the time, they are extremely resilient.

In a fight between a 400lbs grizzly and a 400lbs gorilla, they would both have alot of muscle and strength but of course the grizzly will have more since it is a predator and the grizzly has more and deadlier weapons. Yes, a gorilla would put up a good fight but the grizzly would come out of it scratched but victorious.

I am strongly against pit fights. But, if by some strange circumstance this fight actually took place in a natural environment...Wow! This would be something to see.

I do not agree that the grizzly being a carnivore makes him stronger. In fact, I believe that being omnivorous is what gave the grizzly superior strength over the big cats. If you look at a big cat from the side, he appears very muscular. But, from a frontal view, he is flat ( no bulk ). This is because cats are adapted to slinking through brush. Big cats are designed for stealth, speed, agility, and jumping. Bears are built like bulls and rhinos for brute strength. Because a grizzly is omnivorous and not a true predator, he can be a brute because he has no need of the agility and leaping powers of a big cat. Thus, the grizzly is a true brute and much more powerful than a lion or a tiger. 
 
The strength of a gorilla has yet to be measured, but I have no doubt that the great ape's upper body strength is superior to a big cat of equal weight.

this is no contest, a tiger, lion or jaguar could beat a gorilla. big cats are like a combo of a tank and a race car, speed and brutal power. like a combo of a bunny and a T-Rex. A tiger can crimple a brown bear in a single blow and pull a +3000 pound gaur for miles, zhich 13 fullgrown men would not be able to do. gorilla get killed by leopard, how much trouble can it form against a tiger? even when a whole gorilla family meets a single leopard its the grorilla's that back up. 
 
Tiger kills grizzly, grizzly kills gorilla, tiger kills gorilla.

Leopards do not attack bull gorillas. That would be suicide. A gorilla could also easily kill a mere jaguar. A tiger is a strong athlete, but not a brute. The grizzly is by far the stronger. A 400 pound gorilla has more upper body strength than a lion or tiger of same weight.  
 
If a tiger can drag the gaur for two miles, a grizzly could drag it six miles. But the grizzly will not drag it. The grizzly knows that no other predator is going to take it from him. 
 

leopards do attack and kill fullgrown male gorilla's, go learn something and then post. 
 
and pound for pound a tiger has more muscle then grizzly or gorilla, its a simple fact that anyone who is into animals, should now. 
 
And so tyou are telling me a grizzly is 3 times as strong as a tiger, well if a tiger is as strong as 13 men, and elephant is as strong as 20 men. I believe you are saying a grizzly is twice as strong as an elephant? what an idiot. siberian and bengal tiger are king of beast. A kodiak or a polar bear could pull out a good fight, but a grizzly or gorrila won't be a challenge at all. 
 
Pound for pound big cats are the worlds most supreme predators.

Mr animalia so who do you think would win between a tiger or grizzly?

my Mr animalia i just rea your comment about tigers killing a grizzly. and i have to say you kind of favor the tiger. and you say one swipe from a tiger could kill a grizzly.wrong. a grizzly can take max force to the head. there have been snipers shooting a bear twice in the head and not dieing. grizzlys have a thick skull. so the tiger trying to kill a grizzly with one swipe isnt going to do anything. animal face grizzly vs tiger. look it up on you tube. its an animated fight. but experts vote to see who would win and the grizzly won. so cats arnt the most supreme predators.

lion man i never said that if you knew about wildlife you are a geek. i love to learn about wildlife to and im not a geek. and you dont realy know anything much becuz in the other link you said that a tiger would lose agaisnt a lion. wen the tiger is bigger and stronger. and is about the same in agile. and the tiger has a stronger bite. so the tiger wins so you dont know anything!

djetanis americans are fat becuz we have money bitch. we got more money than you. you guys have a stupid accent to. aboot. why you jus say about say it the right way. and a!!! that shit is annoying A!!!!

djetanis i have a big pair jus ask MrAlien123456's mom she tell you how i have a big cock and big balls!

The reason that a tiger struggles so hard to drag away a deer or a cow that he has managed to kill is bgecause he is affraid that a grizzly will come along and take it away from him.  
 
400 pound grizzly beats 400 pound gorilla after a hard struggle.  
 
Lion beats tiger. 
 
Grizzly beats lion. 
 
Grizzly beats tiger. 
 
 
 

I agree 100% with Toby Ross. Anyone who thinks that the average gorilla could kill the average grizzly is horribly WRONG! I dont need to explain why considering that it is clear as day.

toby ross you are an idiot, first of all tiger don't live with grizzly bears so how is a tiger suppose to fear a grizzly when they live in differ continents?  
 
And a grizzly bear isn't that confident after its kill. because a wolf pack sometimes follows a grizzly and takes its prey, even cougars have killed grizzly bears before. I am not saying a grizzly would lose from a cougar, i said couagrs sometimes kills them. 
 
Tiger beats grizzly with ease 
 
lions beats grizzly with some struggle 
 
tiger beats lion after hard struggle. 
 
all 3 beat gorilla 
 
And lion man, I agree you don't need a long explaination for gorilla vs grizzly

Mr animalia SHOW ME SOME PROOF THAT A GRIZZLY GOT KILLED FROM A COUGAR.

holy moly.. 
 
Animal fight club?? 
 
more like Insanely intense somewhat frightening, somewhat sad, animal nerd fight club... 
 
heh,,  
but my money goes to the Grizzly, ..unless..  
the gorilla manages to throw a big hot turd right in the grizzly's eye. 
 
ouch.. 
 

Who are these children talking about their little boy parts? This is supposed to be about grizzly vs gorilla.

Mr animalia, yes grizzlys have been chased away from there kill from wolves, but it usually happens the other way around. 1 young grizzly can stand up to alot of wolve and win. But somwtimes a young bear will be overwhelmed and retreat.  
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzfYsIC8ufs 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5Y5OgCr0k 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asfpm1R7HJo 
 
 
 

I recently watched "Wild Russia". They said that wolves, when there are enough of them, take kills away from both brown bears and tigers. Of course, I didn't need to hear some professional researcher say this, as it falls under the catergory of "common sense". But there are those who wouldn't know their right shoe from their left shoe without documentation. There is strength in numbers.

MrAnimalia. No researcher has ever seen a leopard kill a bull gorilla. This has never been documented. I doubt very seriously that it has ever happened.  
 
Muscle mass seems to be a popular topic here. There is more involved in strength than muscle mass. First of all, it is about the percentage of muscle apposite other body mass. A rhinoceras might have less muscle mass than a bobcat. Which is stronger? Also, very important is the skeletal framework of the animal. How strong are the bones and in what design are they?  
 
It appears to me that the gorilla has a better design for strength than the leopard with is ( like all cats ) designed for stealth and agility. The grizzly is designed for brute strength. As an omnivorous carnivore, he grizzly bears gave up stealth and agility for pure power.  
 
In pure strength, the grizzly comes first, then the gorilla, with the leopard trailing behind with the other big cats.

Here's a little advice for all the people on this site who call each other "fags" and "bitches" and "retards" etc etc.. 
 
 
YOU ARE ON A SITE THAT DEBATES FANTASY ANIMAL FIGHTS... 
ANYONE WHO CALLS SOMEONE NAMES ON THIS SITE, IS A HUMONGOUS LAME RIDICULOUS "FAG" FOR EVEN CALLING PEOPLE NAMES ON A SITE WHICH IS ABOUT FANTASY ANIMAL BATTLES.. 
 
Where's your sense of pride people? lol 
 
I mean geez.. cool your jets there tough guys.. ha ha. 
Wouldn't want you guys to get your panty hose all rustled up.. 
 
But no offense intended! 
(I heard one guy on here say he's an MMA fighter!!... Whooeee! I'd rather mess with the grizzly..) 
 
Unless your under 12 years old.. don't call people names on the internet.. just a little tip.. if you do wish to actually have a girlfriend one day. 
 

Ursus arctos is the ultimate carnivore. Even though the mighty gorilla is my favorite animal, I know that he would lose against the awesome grizzly bear.

This arguement is so pointless now. A grizzly WILL kill a gorilla. It much larger, much stronger and MUCH more aggressive overall so its stupid to disagree with me.

this was never a fair fight to begin with.

We can go with the inland grizzly here. The inland grizzly is roughly the same size as the bull gorilla. Both the silvertip grizzly and the silverback gorilla weigh roughly 400 pounds.  
 
Now, having said this, I know that a certain someone is going to pull out his slide-rule and notebook.

Actually, the inland grizzly weight of the male averages about 480lbs, not 400lbs, without their winter fat included. And even the silverback gorilla of the Eastern gorilla species averages 375lbs; 325-400lbs is the average range of a Eastern gorilla male (the largest of the two gorilla species).

*I just knew that someone would pull out his slide-rule and note-book.

Faggot i am a mma fighter. i would show you my skills on you if you want me to and im not 12. im 22.

You might be 22 East Boy, but you have the maturity of a 9 year old. When I was 22, I was already an ex-marine and a Viet Nam veteran. Grow up and talk like a mature adult. Your gutter mouth does not impress anyone.

im not trying to impress anyone. and wat does you being a marine have to do with anything? but if these kids are trying to talk crap to me im not going to sit there and say nothing so you could just close your mounth.

So, who here thinks that a 400 pound silverback gorilla can take on a 400 pound silvertip grizzly bear? Of all the fights posted here, and if this fight, in some strange way, took place naturally, this is the fight that I would want to witness.  
 
I believe that the grizzly would win, even though I will be cheering for the gorilla.  
 
 
 

They stand bipedal, measuring each other up and down. The 400 pound grizzly and the 400 pound gorilla. Then, they both drop onto all fours and charge. 
 
The silvertip is armed with powerful arms and sharp claws. The silverback has longer arms that are equally as strong. They clash like two Sumo wrestlers.  
 
They hit with hammer-like blows. Their bite-forse is as equal as their upper-body strength. This fight could go either way.  
 
But on this day, the gorilla bites down on the back of the grizzly bear's neck with a bite-force stronger than the bite of a tiger. The fight is over. 
 
Kongo places a foot upon the carcass of the dead grizzly. He lifts his face towards the blue sky and screams the victory cry of the bull ape.

At natural weight, the grizzly bear wins no contest 
 
At equal weights, I would still favour of the bear,60/40 
 
Bear advatages 
 
- Long claws 
 
- Aggression 
 
- Durable to injuries 
 
- Denser Bones 
 
Gorilla advatages 
 
- Smarter 
 
- Hand like grip 
 
- Higher jaw force 
 
- Larger Arms 
 
 
 
I'd slighly favout the bear, close call though

The grizzly is very near to primate intelligence. So brains will matter little here. Bite force equal. I take it that this is an even match...both beasts perhaps 400 pounds.  
 
The gorilla's strength has never been measured. But my guess is the great ape is about equal is brute strength with the brown bear. The grizzly has long claws. The gorilla has a powerful grip.  
 
I believe that the grizzly would win, but this is no sure bet.

The Bite force of a grizzly is 800 psi, the Gorillas is 1200 psi which is even to that from a tiger. 
 
A gorilla is far more intelligent than a grizzly. 
 
Top 10 smartest animals 
 
1- Great Apes  
 
2- Commen Monkeys 
 
3- Dolphins 
 
4- Whales 
 
5- Elephant 
 
6- Parrot 
 
7- Crow 
 
8- Sheep 
 
9- Octopus 
 
10- Wolf

Great apes / monkeys and gibbons / whales and dolphins / elephants / bears / parrots / other birds / octopus and squid / wolf and fox / weasels / cats.

Leaving out the birds and sea creatures, in order of intelligence: Great apes, gibbons and monkeys, elephants, bears, racoons, pigs, wolf and fox, weasels, cats.

To learn something of bear intelligence, go to: 
 
www.suite101.com/article.cfm/bears/19332 
 
www.all-creatures.org/bear/b-bearintel.html

toby, you are cherrypicking the info you want - moany more sites say a bear doesn't even rank in top 10. 
 
Grow up

No Zack. You are turning away from the truth. There is no information than claims a big cat is smarter than a bear. Do you ever watch "Big Cat Diaries"? 
 
They said outright that big cats are not particularly intelligent. Any field biologist or even a hunter can tell you that bears are highly intelligent animals.  
 
Don't just say what you want to be real. Do your research and be honest. As I do.

There are no reliable records of what a gorilla can do. However, I would love to witness this match. I believe that the grizzly would win, even though I would be cheering for the gorilla. Pound for pound, they might be an even match.

There is no reliable way to come up with a reliable number as to the weight of the average grizzly. There are various locations of grizzlys, each group being unable to mix and breed because of human habitat. In some inland locations, the average grizzly is ony from 300 to 500 pounds. These are your smallest grizzlys. By far, it is the coastal grizzly bears that outnumber the smaller varieties. These bears range from 800 pounds to 1400 pounds. The weights also vary according to the time of year. 
 
One can only make an estimated guess at the average weight of the average grizzly. I would be confident in saying that the average male grizzly would weight from 600 to 700 pounds easy.  
 
Against a 650 pound grizzly, a 400 pound silverback gorilla would stand no chance at all. No great ape and no other carnivore can stand up against the apex carnivore. To have a good fight, we would have to go with a small 400 pound inland grizzly.  
 
400 pound grizzly vs 400 pound gorilla.

I just sent in to Wikipedia a question, since I cannot find, in my searching, an answer. "What is the smartest carnivore" ?  
 
I am sure that the gorilla is smarter than any of them.

I sent in this question to Wiki. Then, no more that 2 minutes later, I get the answer: the dog. 
 
Bull droppings! They did no research what-so-ever! They just though up an answer off the top of their pointy heads.  
 
The wolf is smarter than the domestic dog! Has no study ever been done on carnivore intelligence?

After long hours of research, the average inland grizzly ( Ursus arctos horribilis ) is 490 lbs. 
 
The average grizzly, when considering the 3 subspecies of grizzly, which include Ursus arctos gyas ( coastal grizzly ) and the black grizzly ( Ursus arctos lasiotus )is 810 pounds.  
 
I have also learned that, not only is the grizzly the ultimate carnivore, but he is the most powerful animal of his size. My favorite animal, the gorilla, would stand very little chance against a grizzly. 
 
 
 

Reboot: Average male inland grizzly - 475 lbs. 
 
Average male grizzly overall - 810 lbs.

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Let's make this a more debatable contest: 
 
American black bear Bear vs. West-Lowland Gorilla - both weight around the same on average (300 to 400 lbs) I'd reckon an enraged Black bear winning this match-up. 
 
 
 
Size: 
 
Black bear - 200 to 600 lbs - 5 to 7 feet  
 
Gorilla - 300 to 480 lbs - 5 to 6 feet 
 
Weapons: 
 
Black bear: 2.5 inch canines - 3 inch claws 
 
Gorilla: 2 inch Canines - 2 X Powerful Arms 
 
Advatages: 
 
Black Bear: Claws, Thick fur, Deadlier teeth, Faster  
 
Gorilla: Stronger senses, More Dextrous, Higher jaw force, Longer reach  
 
Weakenesses: 
 
Black bear: Short Sighted 
 
Gorilla: Vunarble Skin

I have always considered this to be the better, more even match. This fight could go either way. I'd say a 50-50 toss-up. I would bet on the gorilla simply because he is my favorite animal. The first animal I always want to visit at the zoo.

Grizzly. 3 feet high at the shoulders. 5 feet long. 420 pounds. Basically an Asiatic black bear in a brown coat. Standing upright, I suppose about 6 feet tall.  
 
The gorilla would stand a 50% chance in this fight.

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I would favor an enraged Black bear 9 out of 10 wins in this fight because of the folowing reasons: 
 
 
 
It has 3 inch claws 
 
It's far more resistant toward injury 
 
It has stronger build skeleton 
 
It's teeth are sharper and longer 
 
It's probabaly stronger at equal size

Like the grizzly, there are a lot of size variations for the American black bear. But, if this is an equal fight, perhaps a 400 lb black bear vs 400 pound gorila, they both have a lot of advantages. Both are fast. Both are smart. Both are strong. Bite force probably near equal.  
 
black bear claws. 
 
gorilla powerful grip. 
 
not sure about gorilla stamina. 
 
 
 

The American Black bear is more than a favorite against the slow, fragile primate 
 
Bear has more stanima 
 
Bear is more Durable to injury 
 
Bear has longer & sharper teeth 
 
Bear has denser bones 
 
Bear is faster (30 mph vs. 20 mph) 
 
Bear has non-rectacable claws 
 
Bear is probably stronger

Has anyone else on this site searched for artwork? All I have found are a few scultures of Bull vs Bear. With so many asking about lion vs tiger / lion vs bear / tiger vs bear, etc, you would think that you would see something in paintings. But no.... ?

Gorilla would beat tiger ( other than Siberian or Bengal ) in 4 out of 10 fights ( estimate ).  
 
See the King Grizzly at: 
 
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Toby, you are a tiger hater and it is becoming more obvious in every one of your posts. So what if a gorila can kill a tiger 40 percent of the time, does the tiger have any link with this bttle? no. What a loser 
 
And all the animals below deserve the title of the king more than the grizzly does: 
 
Whales 
 
Sharkes 
 
Dolphins 
 
Giant squids 
 
Elephant 
 
Rhino 
 
Giraffe 
 
Tiger & Lion 
 
Wolverine 
 
Honey badger 
 
Insects 
 
Spiders 
 
Crocodiles 
 
 
 
The list goes on...

the gorilla stand no chance they dont even fight the just sit around and eat leaf and they are bluffers they even flee from one stickin leopard and the leopard isnt even bigger than they are 
the bear only need one shot and the ape is dead.

For thousands of years, aboriginal people, such as the American Indians, have known that the bear is highly intelligent and a healer. They ask for strength and wisdom from the bear. They also see the bear as the healer or 'medicine bear' and the teacher. Rudyard Kipling knew this. That is why Baloo was the teacher.  
 
Relatively new science: Zoopharmacognosy: animal use of medicial plants to treat illness. 
 
No animal on earth is better at this than the bear. A few examples include: Ligusticum porteri ( bear root )which is an antiviral - antipeptic ( digestive aid )and antibiotic. 
 
Rub on resinous trees... relief of itching from biting flies ( ectoparasites ) such as mites, lice, ticks. Repels biting insects. 
 
Bears eat a rough fiberous sedge ( Carex spp ) before going into Winter sleep, which rids them of tapeworms and intestinal parasites. 
 
Bears chew on ash ( such as volcanic ash ) to settle their stomachs.

Here is a complete list of all of the terrestrial animals that a boar brown bear cannot kill: 
 
#1... Elephant. 
 
#2... Rhinoceras. 
 
#3... Hippopotomus. 
 
*Short list huh?

Gorilla is no match for bears or the any sub species of lion or tiger. 
Leopards have been recorded to kill them. 
Even the silver back is not safe there are records of explorers finding parts of silver back in a leopard gut but there is no record of a silver back killing a leopard not even a young or female one. 
The ape is no match for the big cats and the bears.

@ Toby 
'Rub on resinous trees... relief of itching from biting flies ( ectoparasites ) such as mites, lice, ticks. Repels biting insects.' 
 
K Toby I saw some goats do that and even lion in the wild rub their sides against trees to get Rid of insects that they cannot reach or role on the backs. 
Deer, elephants, rhino, Bovinae and pigs will seek mud holes and lakes to get rid of biting insects.  
 
'Bears chew on ash ( such as volcanic ash ) to settle their stomachs.' 
 
My dog and cats chew on a type of grass that as the same effect, wolves and well as most wild candid are observed to do this too, same as big cats. 
 
So what is your point exactly? That only bears do these and other animals do not? 
 
Herbalism- 
'Indigenous healers often claim to have learned by observing that sick animals change their food preferences to nibble at bitter herbs they would normally reject' 
 
Unless you are saying that when that paragraph says sick animal actually means bear who have no argument what so ever. 
All animals will eating things they would reject if they have a upset stomach not only a bear will do so. 
 

Tasky, sure dogs eat grass and then get sick. I am talking about an animal who has a better nose than a bloodhound who knows what roots and herbs to take for any particular symptoms.  
 
As for leopards killing silverback gorillas, this has never been witnessed. Just because you see a leopard eatting a bull gorilla, doesn't mean that the leopard killed it. It might have been killed by a rival gorilla or a poisonous snake.  
 
You have no way of knowing how a bull gorilla would do against a black bear, a sloth bear, or a giant panda.  
 
But, I agree that the gorilla is not likely much of a fighter as he lives in a jungle and, as far as anyone really knows, he has no natural enemies ( except for the females and juveniles ).

So what you are saying is that a leopard would just find a gorilla carcass and just claw it and bite it up for no reason? 
Leopard have hunt and successfully kill silver backs. 
And when gorillas fight each other they do not fight to kill, there has never been a record of one gorilla killing another and I'm not sure about the snake. 
So you are saying that every time explorers find a leopard eating a siverback a snake killed it?

Yes Tasky. bull gorillas have some violent fights over their harems. Sometimes these great apes die from terrible wounds inflicted by powerful jaws. 
 
Why would a leopard be interested in a dead gorilla? Food ( duh? ) 
 
No person has ever witnessed a leopard killing a bull gorilla.

Yes but you missed the point, I ask why would a leopard bite an already dead gorilla in the neck and claw at its shoulders? 
and where is your proof that gorillas do kill each other in fights?

So you are saying that every time explorers find a leopard eating a siverback a snake killed it?

And how does using herbs help you in a fight? Or during the fight?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/1096-8644%28200009%29113:1%3C61::AID-AJPA6%3E3.0.CO;2-H/abstract 
 
This gives the muscle mass of gorillas while I am lacking the the link for the black and sloth bear, I'm sure you know that the muscle mass of these bears can range form 45-55% making them even at equal weight stronger than the gorilla and they especially the sloth bear is far more aggressive than the gorilla and have more dangerous weaponry than gorillas do,  
so yeah a gorilla is no match for the sub species of tigers/lions and the bears.

A leopard is eatting a dead gorilla that has scratches on it. Therefore, you are ceratain that the leopard killed it. If you see a jackal eatting a dead elephant, then you would assume that the jackal killed the elephant?  
 
IF a leopard ever killed a bull gorilla, it was an ambush attack. Not a face-off. 
 
Yes, a black bear ( any species ) of equal or near equal size to the gorilla could probably kill the gorilla. But, the word is PROBABLY ( not certain ) even though we know that the bears are the strongest carnivores.

Why would a leopard bite or scratch a dead leopard. You cannot eat without bitting. Also, cats play with their food. 
 
What good is eatting healing herbs in a fight? None. But, they might be helpful after the fight ( duh ). Bears eat herbs that fight infection.

And so do dogs and cats they eat herbs too Toby.  
So what was your point of saying they eat herbs then ? 
What does it have to do with the fight? 
You have a comprehending problem, you claim that a gorillas even a silver back as no enemies so I corrected you that a leopard can kill it now where did I every say the leopard had fought the gorillas in a face to face match?  
I was merely pointing out that gorillas do have a predator other that man. 
And what does this have to with a jackal and elephant. 
 
The explores find the carcass of silver backs with signs of the throat hold position on them meaning leopards can and have successfully hunted and killed gorilla regardless of sex and age. 
 
I still think the bears are still too much for any gorilla to handle.

Tasky. You appear to be very slow at comprehending. You see a leopard eatting a gorilla. So, you automatically assume that the 100 pound cat killed the 380 pound gorilla. Therefore, if you were to see a jackal eatting an elephant, you would just as easily assume that the jackal killed the elephant. Right?  
 
A leopard killing a bull gorilla has never been witnessed. Also, this site is about a face-off. So, even IF a leopard could kill a bull gorilla in an ambush attack, that does not mean that it could kill one in a face to face confrontation.  
 
 
 

Dogs and cats eat green vegetation such as grass...to throw up. This is hardly like carefully selecting medication. But then, it is easy to see that you lack the education to understand Zoopharmacognosy.

woow you guys remember me. some ppl jus dont have lives. jus chill out on this thing

Toby when dogs/cats eat grass it is to rid there stomach of whatever is making it upset. 
Your body throws up for a reason dimwit, to get rid of unneeded or wanted substance or bacteria than can cause harm to the body so instead of the body digesting it, it carries it up back. 
Look it up asshole. 
And you really seem to have a comprehending problem, I was correcting you asshole  
you just can't take corrections can you ? 
no wonder you have nothing better to do that to sit and make up shit over the net. 
And just as you ignored someone else question about intelligence I chose to ignore yours about the elephant. What does it have to with here? 
Leopards can and have successfully hunted and kill gorillas which you said was not possible explorers even said that there was signs of a struggle dimwit.  
Get your asshole facts straigth for a chance. 
If you did not understand my first question I will ask so your shit head can comprehend it. 
Why did you think it was neccesary to put up fact about bears eating herbs here? What does it have to do with a face off? 
I hope you understand this question.  
I don't even know why I'm talking to you , you clearly know nothing of the matter. 
Its better you don't answer becasue I know for a fact that its going to be pure crap. 
Sorry for wasting your crappy life with questions you can't answer.

Tasky! All of this juvenile name calling and vulgar language is totally unnecessary. Please act like an adult. 
 
I did not ignore what you wrote about hyena intelligence. I stated, as is true, that the hyena is every bit as smart as a lion or a tiger.  
 
Yes, I know that a dog eats grass so as to throw up and rid itself of a stomach ache ( and said so ). But ( as I said ) that is not the same as eating particular herbs for particular problems. The American Indians learned of certain herbal remedies from watching the bears. That is why they have in their culture the 'medicine bear' and also refer to the bear as 'the teacher'. 
 
What does this have to do with a face-off? It is merely to show the intelligence of the bear. And yes, intelligence does play a majopr role in a fight. 
 
But IF you don't get it...WHY get upset? 
 
 
 

I never gave you anything about hyena intelligence and just so you know hyenas are just as intelligent as chimps its already proven and are off course smarter than bears. And I can prove this can you prove otherwise? 
Just look it up 
And bears eating herbs have nothing to do with a fight

Of all the carnivores ( this includes hyenas ) bears have the highest brain-to-body mass ratio. Bears are the smartest mammals in North America ( excluding humans for you non-understanders ) and bears are near great apew intelligence ( not hyenas ).  
 
I will not explain the knowledge of herbs issue with you again as it is more information than you can absorb.  
 
 
 

Tasky. Just because you are unable to comprehend something, such as animal intelligence, or any other issue posted, just bypass it instead of fussing about something you know nothing about.  
 
Instead of saying, "that has nothing to do with a face-off", which simply shows that you did not understand, just forget it and go on to the next post. There are those who will understand. So, why get yourself all upset over this?

wanted to stop by and put this discussion to bed - since this is going back and forth with no real conclusion or progress. alright - so here we go: 
the gorilla's strength is extreme compared to a human. the biggest WWE wrestlers, who weigh 350 pounds of raw muscle and would toss around any Shaq or Football Player like a rag doll, would be ill advised to go up against a gorilla, who's entire bone structure is just more massive, no matter how big the human is. hence, the impressive legacy of gorilla. grip strength, bone density, teeth - any contact with this super strong animal would produce an injury. 
as was said correctly above though, G is not a predator. his techniques using his strength are to intimidate other G's, bend trees and plants - which is impressive, but even rivaling male G's rarely kill each other.the speed and brute force of a G charging, however, is so extreme, that if we imagine the punchforce force of 6 to 10 grown men (10 to 20 is absolutely unrealistic) hitting any animal , be it grizzly or elephant is surely bone crushing. 
However, if we analyze how a Grizzly charges this almost world wonder of power & force gets a reality check. From my experience, I would estimate, taht the first advantage would be with Gorilla, as Grizzly's are slow starters (less show, more tactics, analyzing their opponent, pacing left to right, as many predators would do). Hit by the first massive blow by teh Gorilla, Grizzly would be surprised by what hit him...350 pounds of bulking muscle, giant arms, hard as a rock. But he would quickly figure out that's as dangerous as it will get. Grizzly then counterattacks and would most likely not stop until G is severely injured through paw swipes or bites and retreat.  
G has certainly enough force to break a Grizzly's neck or strangle him, but getting in this position is unlikely. Grizzly's are huge and if we assume a 600 to 800 pound grizzly, the size difference would matter.  
The only situation in which it would be a deadlock, is if a Grizzly would try to go past a Silverback LEader, and attack the group that is at rest in the nest. It is the G's job to protect, and he would put on such a massive show of speed and force, that the Grizzly would withdraw eventually. 
 

channel-nationalgeographic.com/channel/expedition-grizzly-3909/brutus-and-me/album-01-html 
 
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-417809/Brutus-showbiz-grizzly-bear-htm

War Bears. Bears with saws. Bears with guns. Bear cavalry. Bear with chainsaw. Bear with chainsaw arms. Bears are very cool. I think Zangief would win though...

I like sucking on gorilla cocks. 
im a pussy. i have no friends at all. i hate my life. cuz i have man tits.  
see you guys later ima go finger my pussy whole. i lick my own ass hole all the time. i should jus kill myself right now!  
im the gay kid who sits alone at lunch at school.